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Mar 3, 2015 3:24 PM
#21
After the terror attack on that Jewish supermarket, Netanyahu said that Jewish people should move to Israel in response. He is smart enough to know that doing so will not save lives, but will place the lives of many people, inside and outside Israel, Jewish and not Jewish, in grave danger. People will die because of it, and he knows damn well that they will. Now of course the blame in such a circumstance rests with those who commit the terror attack, but if you are doing something which you know will encourage them, you're not exactly innocent either. Worst of all, he will not be the victim- others will be. Obama's criticism of his speech was pretty fair. He didn't say anything new, and it was in a likelihood a political stunt for the home crowd. |
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Mar 3, 2015 4:25 PM
#22
Israel is like a spoiled little child. "Give me this! I want that! Wah! Wah! I hate you daddy! You didn't give me that those new missiles!" I remember just last year during the whole scuffle with the Palestinians one of those kifes had the audacity to say that "America has gravely betrayed and insulted the Israeli people." When John Kerry suggested that they hold peace talks with the opposition in a neutral place(Egypt) After the US had just sent them hundreds of millions of dollars for missile defense systems that were the reason their cities weren't in shambles over rocket bombardments. I'm glad I don't pay US taxes, cause I'd never want a cent of my tax money to go to those useless money sucking parasites. |
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Mar 3, 2015 6:24 PM
#23
Working_Designs said: I believe its referred to as "trimming the lawn"RedRoseFring said: Space-Wizard said: RedRoseFring said: Dat slow going genocide though....what's it been, 60 years? Still technically genocide. A group of people is being imprisoned and killed based on their race or beliefs. Yeah, about that.....it generally doesn't result in population increases. Israel isn't dumb. If they wiped a larger number of Palestinians out, the majority of brainwashed North Americans would see how evil they really are. That's why they do it in "Small Bursts." Israel WILL fall within our lifetime if its government/army continues the way they are now. The millions of foreign aid we send overseas would be better served here. Other nations have better infrastructure, education, health care but the richest nation in the world is struggling outside of its elites. The prospect would be political suicide though- specially in Israels case. Youd think if appealing to americans humanity didnt work at least to their inner greed would. |
Mar 3, 2015 7:20 PM
#24
Working_Designs said: RedRoseFring said: Space-Wizard said: RedRoseFring said: Dat slow going genocide though....what's it been, 60 years? Still technically genocide. A group of people is being imprisoned and killed based on their race or beliefs. Yeah, about that.....it generally doesn't result in population increases. Israel isn't dumb. If they wiped a larger number of Palestinians out, the majority of brainwashed North Americans would see how evil they really are. That's why they do it in "Small Bursts." Israel WILL fall within our lifetime if its government/army continues the way they are now. I see. So take out a miniscule percent of a population while it continues to grow and the rate of growth increases and your resources get drained for over half a decade. Brillent! Why didn't any other despots think of it! I'm guessing we should be overjoyed at the thought of the innocent Arab nations wiping that vile Israel off the map and freeing themselves from its evil outnumbering presence. I guess bonus points would also include that they will no longer control all the world's media too and we'll finally acknowledge the Palestinians as the peace-loving people they truly are. |
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Mar 3, 2015 8:00 PM
#25
It's going to be pretty funny when Israel does something stupid enough to get the west to stop supporting them to save face. They are going to get curbstomped by their neighbors. |
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Mar 3, 2015 8:23 PM
#26
FUCK ISRAEL!!! The American government and GOP are Israel's little bitch..... Did anyone see the way Congress were salivating at this Jew and his war mongering? Jesus fuck, what a bunch of brown nosing disgusting fucks. |
Mar 3, 2015 8:44 PM
#27
His speech is targeted against Iran. He just need to read the air. US is currently carefully cooperating with Muslim countries to fight the IS. one of which is Iran, which is operating within Iraq (an old rival). |
Mar 3, 2015 10:03 PM
#28
If Netanyahu thinks Iran will go down as easily as Iraq he's seriously mistaken. If there's one thing Iran's president has shown us over the past few years is that he's not afraid to go to war against Israel even if the US is backing them up. To those who say it's unlikely that the US will support Israel because of their current cooperation with Iran you don't know the US at all. The US is not afraid to stab their allies in the back. |
Mar 4, 2015 4:40 AM
#29
Space-Wizard said: It's going to be pretty funny when Israel does something stupid enough to get the west to stop supporting them to save face. They are going to get curbstomped by their neighbors. Pakistan did far worse(Bangdalesh genocide, Actually Building a nuke which would have destroyed India if China didn't help India build there own, , Helping Taliban and Al Qaeda) and America still supports them |
Mar 4, 2015 5:29 AM
#30
Moneyburns said: Space-Wizard said: It's going to be pretty funny when Israel does something stupid enough to get the west to stop supporting them to save face. They are going to get curbstomped by their neighbors. Pakistan did far worse(Bangdalesh genocide, Actually Building a nuke which would have destroyed India if China didn't help India build there own, , Helping Taliban and Al Qaeda) and America still supports them Israel has nuclear weapons too. And unlike Pakistan, there's zero international inspection or any cooperation. Also Pakistani nuclear development was in response to India's program, not the opposite (*check* India's first nuclear test 1974, Pakistan in 1998). For Al-Qaeda origins it was of course ordered by the US during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Even Clinton acknowledged it. |
Mar 4, 2015 5:58 AM
#31
Even if the US cut of all military/financial aid, Saudi Arabia and Israel still hold hundreds nukes. |
Mar 4, 2015 6:54 AM
#32
Space-Wizard said: It's going to be pretty funny when Israel does something stupid enough to get the west to stop supporting them to save face. They are going to get curbstomped by their neighbors. Track record proves otherwise. Dem neighbours will really have to step up their game, or put a little more allahu in their ackbar ;) |
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Mar 4, 2015 9:02 AM
#33
navarr0 said: Even if the US cut of all military/financial aid, Saudi Arabia and Israel still hold hundreds nukes. Israel's crying because they know they won't be able to handle Iran by themselves. Iran's not the same as it was decades ago. It's a new country. The US knows this too. I'm glad that Iran stepped up their game over the past decade considering how much shit they had to go through for so long. I'm happy. Also, Iran is more than willing to cooperate with Israel. |
Mar 4, 2015 3:27 PM
#34
JustALEX, while I have no reason to defend Israel or Netanyahu, I think you should be a bit more cautious about how you express your disdain for them. Because this sentence here struck me as quite anti-semitic: JustALEX said: Did anyone see the way Congress were salivating at this Jew and his war mongering? Do you see what I mean? "This Jew" is used like an insult. It's not only recalls an ugly part of history and is unfair to those members of the Jewish faith who do not support Israel, but it also discredits you and others who condemn the man and the actions of Israel. I know this wasn't your intention, but I thought you should know that is how it can come across and you should be very careful about it. |
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Mar 4, 2015 4:37 PM
#35
NudeBear said: I'm glad that Iran stepped up their game over the past decade considering how much shit they had to go through for so long. I'm happy. Yeah, I'm also happy for the regime that kills protestors, whips/hangs homosexuals, and sentences "apostates" and adulterers to death. Because, you know, they aren't white or Jewish. Which means they are automatically the good guys. |
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Mar 4, 2015 4:39 PM
#36
[quote=StopDropAndBowl] NudeBear said: I'm glad that Iran stepped up their game over the past decade considering how much shit they had to go through for so long. I'm happy. Yeah, I'm also happy for the regime that kills protestors, whips homosexuals, and sentences "apostates" to death. Because, you know, they aren't white or Jewish. Which means they are automatically the good guys.[/quote Zionist alaet FFuck the zionist murder state |
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Mar 4, 2015 4:43 PM
#37
You guys really need to learn how to be secretly anti-Semitic. I mean, let's be clear, we all agree that the end goal is to finally finish what the Führer started, but you can't go out TELLING people that you hate Jews or they might catch on. Less "Fuck the ZOG war machine!" and more "Palestine shall be free!" |
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Mar 4, 2015 4:44 PM
#38
beening anti Israel does not make anti Semitic the Palestinians are Semites too as are most people in that aera Jews are killing Semites the jew ae anti Semitic |
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Mar 4, 2015 4:46 PM
#39
StopDropAndBowl said: You guys really need to learn how to be secretly anti-Semitic. I mean, let's be clear, we all agree that the end goal is to finally finish what the Führer started, but you can't go out TELLING people that you hate Jews or they might catch on. Less "Fuck the ZOG war machine!" and more "Palestine shall be free!" 69 Borders is what most seinebale people want thats what i want |
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Mar 4, 2015 4:48 PM
#40
FGAU1912 said: beening anti Israel does not make anti Semitic the Palestinians are Semites too as are most people in that aera Jews are killing Semites the jew ae anti Semitic Well now you're just arguing semantics, but even your semantics are wrong. Common usage dictates that "anti-Semitic" is a term which exclusively describes the hatred/persecution of Jews. And being anti-Israel kind of does make you an anti-Semite. The only reason you want Israel destroyed is because they are the Jewish state. That's the only reason anybody is anti-Israel. I'm willing to accept that you might not be really anti-Semitic, and are probably just the useful tool of the anti-Semites, but a dumb stormtrooper is still a stormtrooper. FGAU1912 said: 69 Borders is what most seinebale people want thats what i want You can't reject a deal, invade a country, get your ass kicked, and then whine that you want the old deal now that you lost. That's just being a sore loser. |
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Mar 4, 2015 4:50 PM
#41
StopDropAndBowl said: FGAU1912 said: And being anti-Israel kind of does make you an anti-Semite.beening anti Israel does not make anti Semitic the Palestinians are Semites too as are most people in that aera Jews are killing Semites the jew ae anti Semitic No. There's plenty of Jewish people who also hate Israel. Anti-Zionism does NOT equal Anti-Semitism. |
Mar 4, 2015 4:52 PM
#42
Netanyahu speaks for all Jews. It has been decreed by Netanyahu. Criticizing Netanyahu is anti-semitism. |
Mar 4, 2015 4:54 PM
#43
FGAU1912 said: You are looking from this at the wrong angle. The vast majority of Arabs are not initially Anti-Israel, they are Anti-Semitic. In fact the nation of Isreal was made in large part due to this alarmingly large Anti-Semitic sentiment within the middle east.beening anti Israel does not make anti Semitic the Palestinians are Semites too as are most people in that aera Jews are killing Semites the jew ae anti Semitic Very popular book in areas with a high density of Arabs. I'm not pointing fingers or anything, just observing trends. |
Mar 4, 2015 4:54 PM
#44
Working_Designs said: Anti-Zionism does NOT equal Anti-Semitism. At this point it really kind of does. The only thing that defines an anti-Zionist is his hatred/rejection of Israel's legitimacy. He may use a thousand different ways to say it, and may have a thousand different reasons behind his hatred/rejection, but it all boils down to one, simple concept: "Israel is a nation of Jews, therefore it is evil." The solutions the anti-Zionist provides are all equally untenable, and all equal in the inevitability of their singular outcome: the destruction of the Jewish state. Said destruction would necessarily entail the murder of tens of thousands, if not more, Jews. The anti-Zionist is either an anti-Semite or the tool of an anti-Semite. The anti-Zionist Jew is like the proverbial "uncle Tom". |
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Mar 4, 2015 5:00 PM
#45
StopDropAndBowl said: Working_Designs said: Anti-Zionism does NOT equal Anti-Semitism. At this point it really kind of does. The only thing that defines an anti-Zionist is his hatred/rejection of Israel's legitimacy. He may use a thousand different ways to say it, and may have a thousand different reasons behind his hatred/rejection, but it all boils down to one, simple concept: "Israel is a nation of Jews, therefore it is evil." The solutions the anti-Zionist provides are all equally untenable, and all equal in the inevitability of their singular outcome: the destruction of the Jewish state. Said destruction would necessarily entail the murder of tens of thousands, if not more, Jews. The anti-Zionist is either an anti-Semite or the tool of an anti-Semite. The anti-Zionist Jew is like the proverbial "uncle Tom". You sound like a crazy christian who listens to nothing but the western mainstream media, and clearly there is no way to convince you of the "Real Truth" of things. Well over 1 million Israelis hate Netanyahu, and these people would love to see a 2-state solution. They hate their own country as much as many other anti-zionists do. |
Mar 4, 2015 5:02 PM
#46
StopDropAndBowl said: FGAU1912 said: beening anti Israel does not make anti Semitic the Palestinians are Semites too as are most people in that aera Jews are killing Semites the jew ae anti Semitic Well now you're just arguing semantics, but even your semantics are wrong. Common usage dictates that "anti-Semitic" is a term which exclusively describes the hatred/persecution of Jews. And being anti-Israel kind of does make you an anti-Semite. The only reason you want Israel destroyed is because they are the Jewish state. That's the only reason anybody is anti-Israel. I'm willing to accept that you might not be really anti-Semitic, and are probably just the useful tool of the anti-Semites, but a dumb stormtrooper is still a stormtrooper. FGAU1912 said: 69 Borders is what most seinebale people want thats what i want You can't reject a deal, invade a country, get your ass kicked, and then whine that you want the old deal now that you lost. That's just being a sore loser. but the us did the lost on nam and commated endless war crimes and no onces been charged the us made isis possible he us funded terrorism in ulster for 80 plus years then just cuase they got attacked on 9/11 every one cried for the us no one cried for 9 year cat eakin killed by ira Bomb funnded by the us in cludy no one cryed for the 21 dead in Birmingham ira murder funnded by the us so the us as use ot backing murderrous people this is not mb being anti right wing the IRa were leftwing i can hate on my own only like you and other right wing zealots |
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Mar 4, 2015 5:04 PM
#47
StopDropAndBowl said: Working_Designs said: Anti-Zionism does NOT equal Anti-Semitism. At this point it really kind of does. The only thing that defines an anti-Zionist is his hatred/rejection of Israel's legitimacy. He may use a thousand different ways to say it, and may have a thousand different reasons behind his hatred/rejection, but it all boils down to one, simple concept: "Israel is a nation of Jews, therefore it is evil." The solutions the anti-Zionist provides are all equally untenable, and all equal in the inevitability of their singular outcome: the destruction of the Jewish state. Said destruction would necessarily entail the murder of tens of thousands, if not more, Jews. The anti-Zionist is either an anti-Semite or the tool of an anti-Semite. The anti-Zionist Jew is like the proverbial "uncle Tom". a Semite is not a jew and they do not belong to one creed |
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Mar 4, 2015 6:27 PM
#48
StopDropAndBowl said: Yeah, I'm also happy for the regime that kills protestors, whips/hangs homosexuals, and sentences "apostates" and adulterers to death. Because, you know, they aren't white or Jewish. Which means they are automatically the good guys. Framing the conflict as 'good guys versus bad guys' isn't helpful, because both sides do things which are morally reprehensible. Though I have to say, I'm not sure what Iran had been getting for the past few years which it didn't deserve. Ahmedinejad was a fucking loon as well, with his holocaust denial and British Empire conspiracy theories. StopDropAndBowl said: You guys really need to learn how to be secretly anti-Semitic. I mean, let's be clear, we all agree that the end goal is to finally finish what the Führer started, but you can't go out TELLING people that you hate Jews or they might catch on. Less "Fuck the ZOG war machine!" and more "Palestine shall be free!" Equating opposition to Israel to anti-semitism? StopDropAndBowl said: And being anti-Israel kind of does make you an anti-Semite. Whatever connections the state of Israel may have to the Jewish faith, they do not exempt it from criticism. StopDropAndBowl said: The only reason you want Israel destroyed is because they are the Jewish state. That's the only reason anybody is anti-Israel. What about the Jewish people who are against Israel? StopDropAndBowl said: I'm willing to accept that you might not be really anti-Semitic, and are probably just the useful tool of the anti-Semites, but a dumb stormtrooper is still a stormtrooper. So people who disagree with you do so because they are either racists, or they are easily manipulated sheep. You are discounting the possibility that you may be the one in the wrong, the lost lamb, that you or they may be the victims of deception... among other things. If you are serious about what you said, may I suggest you change tactics? Since most people are not convinced by people who say they are stupid or racist. Even if they are either of those things. StopDropAndBowl said: The only thing that defines an anti-Zionist is his hatred/rejection of Israel's legitimacy. But what is the basis of Israel's legitimacy? Legal documents? There is ample room for disagreement about legal decisions which are not based on racism. And if it's not legal documentation, then it isn't legitimate. StopDropAndBowl said: He may use a thousand different ways to say it, and may have a thousand different reasons behind his hatred/rejection, but it all boils down to one, simple concept: "Israel is a nation of Jews, therefore it is evil." So you've met everyone who doesn't recognise the legitimacy of Israel then, have you? Of course you have. StopDropAndBowl said: The solutions the anti-Zionist provides are all equally untenable, and all equal in the inevitability of their singular outcome: the destruction of the Jewish state. Said destruction would necessarily entail the murder of tens of thousands, if not more, Jews. They moved them in, why can't they move them out? StopDropAndBowl said: The anti-Zionist is either an anti-Semite or the tool of an anti-Semite. Unless they are able to explain how to dissolve the state of Israel without killing everyone living in it. Then they would just be anti-Zionist. StopDropAndBowl said: The anti-Zionist Jew is like the proverbial "uncle Tom". So there is literally no way anyone can disagree with you without them being either racist, stupid or a suck up? Yeah, cool opinions bro. |
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Mar 4, 2015 9:31 PM
#49
StopDropAndBowl said: NudeBear said: I'm glad that Iran stepped up their game over the past decade considering how much shit they had to go through for so long. I'm happy. Yeah, I'm also happy for the regime that kills protestors, whips/hangs homosexuals, and sentences "apostates" and adulterers to death. Because, you know, they aren't white or Jewish. Which means they are automatically the good guys. I never said that. You need to stop with that shit. Hate on anti-semites all you want but don't go around flipping your shit at random people. To me you look just as annoying as the idiots who spout their Jewish world domination conspiracy bullshit. Next time use your shitty sarcasm to mock the shit I actually said. Fucking lunatic. |
Mar 4, 2015 11:11 PM
#50
Personally, I'm glad President Obama shrugged off Netanyahu's speech. I've become really disgusted by Israel in recent months since their war with Palestine this past summer. The Israeli are just as guilty of scummy things as Palestine, but because of their protection by our country, the Israeli are able to just brush it off. Then there's the constant "We're just poor harmless Jews being picked on by these Anti-Semites!" card playing. If that's not enough to point out how scummy the Israeli administration is, the Palestinians joined the ICC and are hoping to bring Israel to trial for the crimes they have committed so what does Israel do? Freezes Palestine's funds until they renege their case. Do you know what that's called? Extortion. Anti-semitism does obviously exist, but there's only so much you can chalk up to being the victim over. But extorting another country's money so yours doesn't get in trouble for its actions? That's just crooked as sin. I'm not saying Palestine is an innocent country, but the amount of shit Israel gets away with because of them being latched onto the US' back is absurd. |
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Mar 5, 2015 12:31 AM
#51
Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. But being silent about the far worse practices of the Palestinians and surrounding Arab states is a pretty good indicator that that may actually be the case. Then again, Iran is the underdog. They can't possibly be aggressors if they are the underdog. |
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Mar 5, 2015 4:06 AM
#52
the mondern use if the word Semite is wrong the jews are not the only semite people in the world alot of that aera has non Jewish semetic roots like the Syrian Christian that will be killed if the FSA wins hell they still pray the the semetic language that that Jesus would have spoke that is Aramaic not Hebrew Hebrew is Semite language so is Arabic so if a jew kills an arab there being anti Semitic hell hebrew is only by a distance the third most spoken Semitic tounge with only 1/3 the spekers of Aramaic and over 1/30 of the Arabic Speakers this is fact not opinion i hate the fact that anti jew = anti Semite cuase they are not in fact the only Semite in the world |
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Mar 5, 2015 4:18 AM
#53
RedRoseFring said: Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. But being silent about the far worse practices of the Palestinians and surrounding Arab states is a pretty good indicator that that may actually be the case. What are the 'far worse' practices of the Palestinians? Because from where I am standing, you have one group using fairly meagre improvised bombs and rockets versus a well equipped modern army. Sure, terrorism is an immoral practice, but when your land is being occupied by a far stronger army you haven't much alternative. RedRoseFring said: Then again, Iran is the underdog. They can't possibly be aggressors if they are the underdog. Iran is one of the strongest military powers in the region and has some support from Russia. I'm not sure whether you can really call them 'underdogs'. However, they haven't waged war on a foreign country since they became an Islamic Republic (Iraq invaded Iran), |
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Mar 5, 2015 11:46 AM
#54
StopDropAndBowl said: You guys really need to learn how to be secretly anti-Semitic. I mean, let's be clear, we all agree that the end goal is to finally finish what the Führer started, but you can't go out TELLING people that you hate Jews or they might catch on. Less "Fuck the ZOG war machine!" and more "Palestine shall be free!" Funny because Palestinians are Semites, many Jews are not. And stop playing the victim. Zionism is worse than Nazism. Stop trying to use all the Jews as a scapegoat to protect what Israelis do. |
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Mar 5, 2015 11:48 AM
#55
AnnoKano said: What are the 'far worse' practices of the Palestinians? Because from where I am standing, you have one group using fairly meagre improvised bombs and rockets versus a well equipped modern army. Sure, terrorism is an immoral practice, but when your land is being occupied by a far stronger army you haven't much alternative. I was speaking more in line about attitude. The denial of children to even visit the other side because that could foster peace. The horrible TV programs that spread hate. And the preference to use resources to wage war instead of caring for people. Iran is one of the strongest military powers in the region and has some support from Russia. I'm not sure whether you can really call them 'underdogs'. However, they haven't waged war on a foreign country since they became an Islamic Republic (Iraq invaded Iran), I was lampooning the belief of some people that Iran is the victim in all this. |
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Mar 5, 2015 12:13 PM
#56
Okiura said: His speech was more empty rhetoric without offering any viable alternative to P5+6. He offer nothing of substance, but just more style points such as equating the Iranian regimes brutality with that of insidiousness of the Holocaust; he also used a Holocaust survivor as a prop in his speech. Whenever Israel is acting in a controversial or a supra-legal manner( continued building of settlements), they use the history of the Holocaust to justify to their actions.- In the midst of his re-election campaign, Netanyahu arrives today for a speech at the congress. The US administration was not consulted or informed in advance. The invitation came from republican leaders. - He will oppose a possible diplomatic deal on Iran's nuclear energy - More than 30 Democrats have threatened to skip the speech. Obama will not receive him. - As an interviewed Israeli professor said : "Can anyone else stand up in Congress and talk so forcefully against the leader of the United States? This has an effect on voters in Israel. People sit at home and say this man really steps up to the pressure.” Sources http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-i-wont-be-attending-benjamin-netanyahus-speech-in-congress/2015/02/26/ebaf5afa-bdd4-11e4-bdfa-b8e8f594e6ee_story.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahus-address-to-congress-will-be-most-important-speech-of-his-life/2015/02/28/679aa694-bd10-11e4-9dfb-03366e719af8_story.html http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/01/netanyahu-to-arrive-in-washington-to-deliver-controversial-congress-speech http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31685220 This politics professor from Harvard summarises well how the Israeli lobby influence the US foreign policy and with Iran in particular. He brings Japan at the end in an interesting way. |
Mar 5, 2015 3:06 PM
#57
Netanyahu is the biggest racist on Earth lol. |
Mar 6, 2015 12:03 PM
#58
AnnoKano said: So people who disagree with you do so because they are either racists, or they are easily manipulated sheep. Pray tell, what are the "legitimate" reasons that people are against Israel? But what is the basis of Israel's legitimacy? Legal documents? There is ample room for disagreement about legal decisions which are not based on racism. And if it's not legal documentation, then it isn't legitimate. Since when did legal documents have the magical power to bestow legitimacy? NudeBear said: I never said that. So what did you mean when you said you were happy Iran was "stepping up their game"? Mikasa said: Zionism is worse than Nazism. Annnnnnnnd, I rest my case. |
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Mar 6, 2015 12:21 PM
#59
RedRoseFring said: Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine, and in fact sometimes is necessary. No country is perfect and Israel, while a generally decent country, has made terrible mistakes and done terrible things in its past. Believe me, there is much about Israel to criticize. However, when people completely deny Israel the right to exist, one has to wonder why they've chosen that specific country, out of all the shit-holes in the world. They say it's because Israel does this and that, but I don't see them protesting so strenuously against countries who commit more and worse atrocities. Anti-Zionists seem to think Israel is even less legitimate than North Korea... and I'm supposed to pretend that there isn't some ulterior motive here? How many homosexuals have been executed in Israel since their founding? How many homosexuals have been executed in the surrounding Muslim countries since Israel's founding? On literally every single social benchmark, Israel is ahead of it's neighbors, and yet somehow, for some reason, they are worse than all of those put together. In fact, they are so bad that they don't even deserve the right to exist. But yeah, there's no ulterior motive here. It has nothing to do with Israel being full of Jews. "I don't hate black people! I just hate every place where there is a lot of black people!" Criticize all you want. But when you let your criticism fall into the realm of lunacy then people like me are going to start wondering what makes Israel stand out so strongly in these people's warped minds. It's not too much of a stretch to find the historically accurate answer and say: "Jews. They don't like Jews." |
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Mar 6, 2015 12:24 PM
#60
StopDropAndBowl said: RedRoseFring said: Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine, and in fact sometimes is necessary. No country is perfect and Israel, while a generally decent country, has made terrible mistakes and done terrible things in its past. Believe me, there is much about Israel to criticize. However, when people completely deny Israel the right to exist, one has to wonder why they've chosen that specific country, out of all the shit-holes in the world. They say it's because Israel does this and that, but I don't see them protesting so strenuously against countries who commit more and worse atrocities. Anti-Zionists seem to think Israel is even less legitimate than North Korea... and I'm supposed to pretend that there isn't some ulterior motive here? How many homosexuals have been executed in Israel since their founding? How many homosexuals have been executed in the surrounding Muslim countries since Israel's founding? On literally every single social benchmark, Israel is ahead of it's neighbors, and yet somehow, for some reason, they are worse than all of those put together. In fact, they are so bad that they don't even deserve the right to exist. But yeah, there's no ulterior motive here. It has nothing to do with Israel being full of Jews. "I don't hate black people! I just hate every place where there is a lot of black people!" Criticize all you want. But when you let your criticism fall into the realm of lunacy then people like me are going to start wondering what makes Israel stand out so strongly in these people's warped minds. It's not too much of a stretch to find the historically accurate answer and say: "Jews. They don't like Jews." yet again most of the jews in that nation are not semtic there Spahdic jews so say some hates that nation does not make them anti semite |
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Mar 6, 2015 8:26 PM
#61
StopDropAndBowl said: RedRoseFring said: Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine, and in fact sometimes is necessary. No country is perfect and Israel, while a generally decent country, has made terrible mistakes and done terrible things in its past. Believe me, there is much about Israel to criticize. However, when people completely deny Israel the right to exist, one has to wonder why they've chosen that specific country, out of all the shit-holes in the world. They say it's because Israel does this and that, but I don't see them protesting so strenuously against countries who commit more and worse atrocities. Anti-Zionists seem to think Israel is even less legitimate than North Korea... and I'm supposed to pretend that there isn't some ulterior motive here? How many homosexuals have been executed in Israel since their founding? How many homosexuals have been executed in the surrounding Muslim countries since Israel's founding? On literally every single social benchmark, Israel is ahead of it's neighbors, and yet somehow, for some reason, they are worse than all of those put together. In fact, they are so bad that they don't even deserve the right to exist. But yeah, there's no ulterior motive here. It has nothing to do with Israel being full of Jews. "I don't hate black people! I just hate every place where there is a lot of black people!" Criticize all you want. But when you let your criticism fall into the realm of lunacy then people like me are going to start wondering what makes Israel stand out so strongly in these people's warped minds. It's not too much of a stretch to find the historically accurate answer and say: "Jews. They don't like Jews." Oh I'm very well aware of this. It's almost cute sometimes to watch some people rant and rave. They claim they aren't anti-Semitic, then ask them why in their lengthy tirade they never once criticized Palestine and the neighbouring countries and they fall silent. Some have somehow come to believe that Israel is somehow responsible for all the turmoil in the Middle East (and I don't mean only in the "Jews control the world" way either.) The "legitimacy" issue is one of the more hilarious ones that I hardly bother to address anymore because of how silly some of the assertions become. |
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Mar 6, 2015 8:35 PM
#62
RedRoseFring said: StopDropAndBowl said: RedRoseFring said: Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine, and in fact sometimes is necessary. No country is perfect and Israel, while a generally decent country, has made terrible mistakes and done terrible things in its past. Believe me, there is much about Israel to criticize. However, when people completely deny Israel the right to exist, one has to wonder why they've chosen that specific country, out of all the shit-holes in the world. They say it's because Israel does this and that, but I don't see them protesting so strenuously against countries who commit more and worse atrocities. Anti-Zionists seem to think Israel is even less legitimate than North Korea... and I'm supposed to pretend that there isn't some ulterior motive here? How many homosexuals have been executed in Israel since their founding? How many homosexuals have been executed in the surrounding Muslim countries since Israel's founding? On literally every single social benchmark, Israel is ahead of it's neighbors, and yet somehow, for some reason, they are worse than all of those put together. In fact, they are so bad that they don't even deserve the right to exist. But yeah, there's no ulterior motive here. It has nothing to do with Israel being full of Jews. "I don't hate black people! I just hate every place where there is a lot of black people!" Criticize all you want. But when you let your criticism fall into the realm of lunacy then people like me are going to start wondering what makes Israel stand out so strongly in these people's warped minds. It's not too much of a stretch to find the historically accurate answer and say: "Jews. They don't like Jews." Oh I'm very well aware of this. It's almost cute sometimes to watch some people rant and rave. They claim they aren't anti-Semitic, then ask them why in their lengthy tirade they never once criticized Palestine and the neighbouring countries and they fall silent. While there has been killing on both sides, Israel has done far worse to the Palestinians. |
Mar 7, 2015 3:23 AM
#63
StopDropAndBowl said: AnnoKano said: So people who disagree with you do so because they are either racists, or they are easily manipulated sheep. Pray tell, what are the "legitimate" reasons that people are against Israel? But what is the basis of Israel's legitimacy? Legal documents? There is ample room for disagreement about legal decisions which are not based on racism. And if it's not legal documentation, then it isn't legitimate. Since when did legal documents have the magical power to bestow legitimacy? Since that is what legitimate means- "conforming to the law or rules". |
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Mar 7, 2015 8:52 AM
#64
Working_Designs said: RedRoseFring said: StopDropAndBowl said: RedRoseFring said: Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine, and in fact sometimes is necessary. No country is perfect and Israel, while a generally decent country, has made terrible mistakes and done terrible things in its past. Believe me, there is much about Israel to criticize. However, when people completely deny Israel the right to exist, one has to wonder why they've chosen that specific country, out of all the shit-holes in the world. They say it's because Israel does this and that, but I don't see them protesting so strenuously against countries who commit more and worse atrocities. Anti-Zionists seem to think Israel is even less legitimate than North Korea... and I'm supposed to pretend that there isn't some ulterior motive here? How many homosexuals have been executed in Israel since their founding? How many homosexuals have been executed in the surrounding Muslim countries since Israel's founding? On literally every single social benchmark, Israel is ahead of it's neighbors, and yet somehow, for some reason, they are worse than all of those put together. In fact, they are so bad that they don't even deserve the right to exist. But yeah, there's no ulterior motive here. It has nothing to do with Israel being full of Jews. "I don't hate black people! I just hate every place where there is a lot of black people!" Criticize all you want. But when you let your criticism fall into the realm of lunacy then people like me are going to start wondering what makes Israel stand out so strongly in these people's warped minds. It's not too much of a stretch to find the historically accurate answer and say: "Jews. They don't like Jews." Oh I'm very well aware of this. It's almost cute sometimes to watch some people rant and rave. They claim they aren't anti-Semitic, then ask them why in their lengthy tirade they never once criticized Palestine and the neighbouring countries and they fall silent. While there has been killing on both sides, Israel has done far worse to the Palestinians. If only casualties were the only measure of the guilty party in a conflict. That would make the US responsible for WWII seeinga s there were more Japanese casualties than American. |
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Mar 8, 2015 12:10 PM
#65
AnnoKano said: Since that is what legitimate means- "conforming to the law or rules". Conforming to the general moral laws and rules, sure. Conforming to a piece of paper.... that's absurd. A piece of paper grants nothing. |
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