| Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. But being silent about the far worse practices of the Palestinians and surrounding Arab states is a pretty good indicator that that may actually be the case. Then again, Iran is the underdog. They can't possibly be aggressors if they are the underdog. |
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RedRoseFring said: Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. But being silent about the far worse practices of the Palestinians and surrounding Arab states is a pretty good indicator that that may actually be the case. What are the 'far worse' practices of the Palestinians? Because from where I am standing, you have one group using fairly meagre improvised bombs and rockets versus a well equipped modern army. Sure, terrorism is an immoral practice, but when your land is being occupied by a far stronger army you haven't much alternative. RedRoseFring said: Then again, Iran is the underdog. They can't possibly be aggressors if they are the underdog. Iran is one of the strongest military powers in the region and has some support from Russia. I'm not sure whether you can really call them 'underdogs'. However, they haven't waged war on a foreign country since they became an Islamic Republic (Iraq invaded Iran), |
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StopDropAndBowl said: You guys really need to learn how to be secretly anti-Semitic. I mean, let's be clear, we all agree that the end goal is to finally finish what the Führer started, but you can't go out TELLING people that you hate Jews or they might catch on. Less "Fuck the ZOG war machine!" and more "Palestine shall be free!" Funny because Palestinians are Semites, many Jews are not. And stop playing the victim. Zionism is worse than Nazism. Stop trying to use all the Jews as a scapegoat to protect what Israelis do. |
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AnnoKano said: What are the 'far worse' practices of the Palestinians? Because from where I am standing, you have one group using fairly meagre improvised bombs and rockets versus a well equipped modern army. Sure, terrorism is an immoral practice, but when your land is being occupied by a far stronger army you haven't much alternative. I was speaking more in line about attitude. The denial of children to even visit the other side because that could foster peace. The horrible TV programs that spread hate. And the preference to use resources to wage war instead of caring for people. Iran is one of the strongest military powers in the region and has some support from Russia. I'm not sure whether you can really call them 'underdogs'. However, they haven't waged war on a foreign country since they became an Islamic Republic (Iraq invaded Iran), I was lampooning the belief of some people that Iran is the victim in all this. |
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AnnoKano said: So people who disagree with you do so because they are either racists, or they are easily manipulated sheep. Pray tell, what are the "legitimate" reasons that people are against Israel? But what is the basis of Israel's legitimacy? Legal documents? There is ample room for disagreement about legal decisions which are not based on racism. And if it's not legal documentation, then it isn't legitimate. Since when did legal documents have the magical power to bestow legitimacy? NudeBear said: I never said that. So what did you mean when you said you were happy Iran was "stepping up their game"? Mikasa said: Zionism is worse than Nazism. Annnnnnnnd, I rest my case. |
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RedRoseFring said: Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine, and in fact sometimes is necessary. No country is perfect and Israel, while a generally decent country, has made terrible mistakes and done terrible things in its past. Believe me, there is much about Israel to criticize. However, when people completely deny Israel the right to exist, one has to wonder why they've chosen that specific country, out of all the shit-holes in the world. They say it's because Israel does this and that, but I don't see them protesting so strenuously against countries who commit more and worse atrocities. Anti-Zionists seem to think Israel is even less legitimate than North Korea... and I'm supposed to pretend that there isn't some ulterior motive here? How many homosexuals have been executed in Israel since their founding? How many homosexuals have been executed in the surrounding Muslim countries since Israel's founding? On literally every single social benchmark, Israel is ahead of it's neighbors, and yet somehow, for some reason, they are worse than all of those put together. In fact, they are so bad that they don't even deserve the right to exist. But yeah, there's no ulterior motive here. It has nothing to do with Israel being full of Jews. "I don't hate black people! I just hate every place where there is a lot of black people!" Criticize all you want. But when you let your criticism fall into the realm of lunacy then people like me are going to start wondering what makes Israel stand out so strongly in these people's warped minds. It's not too much of a stretch to find the historically accurate answer and say: "Jews. They don't like Jews." |
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StopDropAndBowl said: RedRoseFring said: Criticizing Israel does not mean you are anti-Semitic. Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine, and in fact sometimes is necessary. No country is perfect and Israel, while a generally decent country, has made terrible mistakes and done terrible things in its past. Believe me, there is much about Israel to criticize. However, when people completely deny Israel the right to exist, one has to wonder why they've chosen that specific country, out of all the shit-holes in the world. They say it's because Israel does this and that, but I don't see them protesting so strenuously against countries who commit more and worse atrocities. Anti-Zionists seem to think Israel is even less legitimate than North Korea... and I'm supposed to pretend that there isn't some ulterior motive here? How many homosexuals have been executed in Israel since their founding? How many homosexuals have been executed in the surrounding Muslim countries since Israel's founding? On literally every single social benchmark, Israel is ahead of it's neighbors, and yet somehow, for some reason, they are worse than all of those put together. In fact, they are so bad that they don't even deserve the right to exist. But yeah, there's no ulterior motive here. It has nothing to do with Israel being full of Jews. "I don't hate black people! I just hate every place where there is a lot of black people!" Criticize all you want. But when you let your criticism fall into the realm of lunacy then people like me are going to start wondering what makes Israel stand out so strongly in these people's warped minds. It's not too much of a stretch to find the historically accurate answer and say: "Jews. They don't like Jews." Oh I'm very well aware of this. It's almost cute sometimes to watch some people rant and rave. They claim they aren't anti-Semitic, then ask them why in their lengthy tirade they never once criticized Palestine and the neighbouring countries and they fall silent. Some have somehow come to believe that Israel is somehow responsible for all the turmoil in the Middle East (and I don't mean only in the "Jews control the world" way either.) The "legitimacy" issue is one of the more hilarious ones that I hardly bother to address anymore because of how silly some of the assertions become. |
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RedRoseFring said: StopDropAndBowl said: Criticizing Israel is perfectly fine, and in fact sometimes is necessary. No country is perfect and Israel, while a generally decent country, has made terrible mistakes and done terrible things in its past. Believe me, there is much about Israel to criticize. However, when people completely deny Israel the right to exist, one has to wonder why they've chosen that specific country, out of all the shit-holes in the world. They say it's because Israel does this and that, but I don't see them protesting so strenuously against countries who commit more and worse atrocities. Anti-Zionists seem to think Israel is even less legitimate than North Korea... and I'm supposed to pretend that there isn't some ulterior motive here? How many homosexuals have been executed in Israel since their founding? How many homosexuals have been executed in the surrounding Muslim countries since Israel's founding? On literally every single social benchmark, Israel is ahead of it's neighbors, and yet somehow, for some reason, they are worse than all of those put together. In fact, they are so bad that they don't even deserve the right to exist. But yeah, there's no ulterior motive here. It has nothing to do with Israel being full of Jews. "I don't hate black people! I just hate every place where there is a lot of black people!" Criticize all you want. But when you let your criticism fall into the realm of lunacy then people like me are going to start wondering what makes Israel stand out so strongly in these people's warped minds. It's not too much of a stretch to find the historically accurate answer and say: "Jews. They don't like Jews." Oh I'm very well aware of this. It's almost cute sometimes to watch some people rant and rave. They claim they aren't anti-Semitic, then ask them why in their lengthy tirade they never once criticized Palestine and the neighbouring countries and they fall silent. While there has been killing on both sides, Israel has done far worse to the Palestinians. |
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StopDropAndBowl said: AnnoKano said: So people who disagree with you do so because they are either racists, or they are easily manipulated sheep. Pray tell, what are the "legitimate" reasons that people are against Israel? But what is the basis of Israel's legitimacy? Legal documents? There is ample room for disagreement about legal decisions which are not based on racism. And if it's not legal documentation, then it isn't legitimate. Since when did legal documents have the magical power to bestow legitimacy? Since that is what legitimate means- "conforming to the law or rules". |
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Working_Designs said: RedRoseFring said: Oh I'm very well aware of this. It's almost cute sometimes to watch some people rant and rave. They claim they aren't anti-Semitic, then ask them why in their lengthy tirade they never once criticized Palestine and the neighbouring countries and they fall silent. While there has been killing on both sides, Israel has done far worse to the Palestinians. If only casualties were the only measure of the guilty party in a conflict. That would make the US responsible for WWII seeinga s there were more Japanese casualties than American. |
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AnnoKano said: Since that is what legitimate means- "conforming to the law or rules". Conforming to the general moral laws and rules, sure. Conforming to a piece of paper.... that's absurd. A piece of paper grants nothing. |
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