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Feb 6, 2015 1:44 AM

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RedRoseFring said:
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You've seen less than 150 shows, where do you get 95% from?


Correct, it's more like 99%.
ATLA would be number one with 9.33


I highly doubt that.

Firstly, the fanboys would piss off plenty of people. Secondly, some might end up finding it average which is understandable.

It'd never reach a 9.0 here. Confident about that.
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
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Correct, it's more like 99%.
ATLA would be number one with 9.33


I highly doubt that.

Firstly, the fanboys would piss off plenty of people. Secondly, some might end up finding it average which is understandable.

It'd never reach a 9.0 here. Confident about that.
It has no long filler arcs so it's sure to reach 9.
Feb 6, 2015 1:52 AM

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DrGeroCreation said:
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I highly doubt that.

Firstly, the fanboys would piss off plenty of people. Secondly, some might end up finding it average which is understandable.

It'd never reach a 9.0 here. Confident about that.
It has no long filler arcs so it's sure to reach 9.


I'm not sure that'd matter though. So many haters will rate it down for not being anime. Popularity might not be enough, nor having no filler arcs.
Feb 6, 2015 1:58 AM

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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
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It has no long filler arcs so it's sure to reach 9.


I'm not sure that'd matter though. So many haters will rate it down for not being anime. Popularity might not be enough, nor having no filler arcs.
If it was allowed in the database then it would be considered anime. There are many people who actually believe it is an anime that's why so many threads pop up about why it is not added to the database. Heck in the Faq it is actually specifically mentioned considering there are so much people that consider it an anime and are confused why it isn't added.
Feb 6, 2015 2:02 AM

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I disagree. MAL's datebase adding avatar wouldn't officalize it as anime. It'd only be anime to the database admins, but still not in general.

It'd still be rated down by haters, I am very confident on this. I'm not hatin, but it'd likely happen.
Feb 6, 2015 2:07 AM

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it probably be around an 8
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
I disagree. MAL's datebase adding avatar wouldn't officalize it as anime. It'd only be anime to the database admins, but still not in general.

It'd still be rated down by haters, I am very confident on this. I'm not hatin, but it'd likely happen.
Well most popular anime are down rated by haters but fans counter that with upvotes. A popular show having a lot of haters doesn't mean it will have a low score, just look at SAO. Even if it was generally still not seen as an anime that wouldn't stop people from rating it high.
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DrGeroCreation said:
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I disagree. MAL's datebase adding avatar wouldn't officalize it as anime. It'd only be anime to the database admins, but still not in general.

It'd still be rated down by haters, I am very confident on this. I'm not hatin, but it'd likely happen.
Well most popular anime are down rated by haters but fans counter that with upvotes. A popular show having a lot of haters doesn't mean it will automatically have a low score, just look at SAO. Even if it was generally still not seen as an anime that wouldn't stop people from rating it high.


Yeah, but SAO isn't even above an 8.30. Can't even remember the score to be honest, ha. Now, picture that hate SAO gets doubled. It not being anime will be a massive blow.
Feb 6, 2015 2:15 AM

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If they were split by books, I could imagine the later seasons to be highly rated. Top 30 at best, though.
5 main aspects I base my ratings on:
1. Did DramaEnthusiast make a thread about it?
2. Is it better than Breaking Bad?
3. Did MellowJello recommend the shit out of it?
4. Has it caused a (very entertaining) shitstorm on MAL?
5. Is it actually good?

Scratch the fifth point, it's not very relevant...
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
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Well most popular anime are down rated by haters but fans counter that with upvotes. A popular show having a lot of haters doesn't mean it will automatically have a low score, just look at SAO. Even if it was generally still not seen as an anime that wouldn't stop people from rating it high.


Yeah, but SAO isn't even above an 8.30. Can't even remember the score to be honest, ha. Now, picture that hate SAO gets doubled. It not being anime will be a massive blow.
SAO is the most hated anime on the forums here so it having a 8 score is amazing. Avatar is a million times more well liked than SAO. As I said before there are many people that consider it an anime even those that know it is a western cartoon.
Feb 6, 2015 2:22 AM

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Believe it or not, SAO probably has more fans than haters here. Haters are much more vocal so it just seems really hated.

As liked as Avatar is, the constant avatar > anime and it not being anime anyway will keep it out of 9.0 range.
Feb 6, 2015 2:27 AM

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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
Believe it or not, SAO probably has more fans than haters here. Haters are much more vocal so it just seems really hated.

As liked as Avatar is, the constant avatar > anime and it not being anime anyway will keep it out of 9.0 range.
Not sure about that, the sub forum seems more infested with haters than fans. Down votes don't mean squat, down votes only matter if they greatly out weigh up votes. As I have said it would be considered anime especially by newbies considering it would be in the database.
Feb 6, 2015 2:32 AM

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Avatar would still get its share of down-vote though, keeping it out of the top 30 and eventually the top 100.

I mean..... SAO was ranked 34. (although i did say once that SAO was 72. i was mistaken)
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DrGeroCreation said:
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Believe it or not, SAO probably has more fans than haters here. Haters are much more vocal so it just seems really hated.

As liked as Avatar is, the constant avatar > anime and it not being anime anyway will keep it out of 9.0 range.
Not sure about that, the sub forum seems more infested with haters than fans. Down votes don't mean squat, down votes only matter if they greatly out weigh up votes. As I have said it would be considered anime especially by newbies considering it would be in the database.


There are loads of people on MAL though and looking at its score that confirms it is more liked though.

It'd only be considered anime by the database admins though. Doug being added wouldn't make it animu, nor would rugrats. Don't underestimate the hate or fans who get annoyed when fans declare avatar > anime.

If you said 8.50 I'd believe that, but 9.0? I highly doubt it'd happen. Though, we should agree to disagree since this isn't getting anywhere for both sides :s xD
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Okashi_sama said:
Avatar would still get its share of down-vote though, keeping it out of the top 30 and eventually the top 100.

I mean..... SAO was ranked 34. (although i did say once that SAO was 72. i was mistaken)


Yeah, exactly. It'd stay above an 8.0, but never a 9.0.
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
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Not sure about that, the sub forum seems more infested with haters than fans. Down votes don't mean squat, down votes only matter if they greatly out weigh up votes. As I have said it would be considered anime especially by newbies considering it would be in the database.


There are loads of people on MAL though and looking at its score that confirms it is more liked though.

It'd only be considered anime by the database admins though. Doug being added wouldn't make it animu, nor would rugrats. Don't underestimate the hate or fans who get annoyed when fans declare avatar > anime.

If you said 8.50 I'd believe that, but 9.0? I highly doubt it'd happen. Though, we should agree to disagree since this isn't getting anywhere for both sides :s xD
Doug and Rugrats are not anime influenced so no one in their right minds and who aren't trolling would make the mistake of calling them anime. Why would it only be considered anime by the DB admins when there are users who always post threads asking why it isn't in the database and why it isn't considered anime? Okay let's agree to disagree.

Okashi_sama said:
Avatar would still get its share of down-vote though, keeping it out of the top 30 and eventually the top 100.


DrGeroCreation said:
Down votes don't mean squat, down votes only matter if they greatly out weigh up votes.


The anime in the top ten get down votes as well.
Feb 6, 2015 2:42 AM

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The people who ask why its not in the database believe having an anime style makes it anime. This logic is so flawed since there are anime that don't even use an anime style.
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It's currently the highest-ranking animated show on IMDb, so yes it probably would be the #1 show on MAL. What I'm more interested in is how high Aang and the others would rank on MAL's Top Favourite Characters. Aang might've ranked #1.

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The people who ask why its not in the database believe having an anime style makes it anime. This logic is so flawed since there are anime that don't even use an anime style.

Agreed.
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Both ATLA & ATLOK in the top 30 <3 Not sure about no.1 (I'd rate them both a 10/10 though)
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JumpinJC said:
It's currently the highest-ranking animated show on IMDb, so yes it probably would be the #1 show on MAL. What I'm more interested in is how high Aang and the others would rank on MAL's Top Favourite Characters. Aang might've ranked #1.


Way different.

Haters won't flock onto IMDB as much since its a database for everything tv.
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
The people who ask why its not in the database believe having an anime style makes it anime. This logic is so flawed since there are anime that don't even use an anime style.
Agreed One Piece and Panty& Stocking are good examples. ATLA is very similar to action based adventure battle shonen anime though and structured like one by being arc based.
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DrGeroCreation said:
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The people who ask why its not in the database believe having an anime style makes it anime. This logic is so flawed since there are anime that don't even use an anime style.
Agreed One Piece and Panty& Stocking are good examples. ATLA is very similar to action based adventure battle shonen anime though and structured like one by being arc based.


I agree its similar of course, structure and all.

To clarify with Avatar on IMDB: Kids, non animu fans, etc rate there. Fans will give it a 10, anime buffs who are haters won't bother as much. On a strictly anime site, ratings will drastically be different.
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If NGNL and Code Geass are in the top 20 spot, why not Legend of Korra and Avatar the Last Airbender?
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PeripheralVision said:
If NGNL and Code Geass are in the top 20 spot, why not Legend of Korra and Avatar the Last Airbender?


NGNL is in the top 20?

Since when :s
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
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If NGNL and Code Geass are in the top 20 spot, why not Legend of Korra and Avatar the Last Airbender?


NGNL is in the top 20?

Since when :s


It was # 16 last time I check.

Not sure about now, I just now it is much more popular than it needs to be.
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PeripheralVision said:
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NGNL is in the top 20?

Since when :s


It was # 16 last time I check.

Not sure about now, I just now it is much more popular than it needs to be.


It dropped, just like avatar would. NGNL being popular is understandable though since anime fans seem to love video game based shows.
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
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Agreed One Piece and Panty& Stocking are good examples. ATLA is very similar to action based adventure battle shonen anime though and structured like one by being arc based.


I agree its similar of course, structure and all.

To clarify with Avatar on IMDB: Kids, non animu fans, etc rate there. Fans will give it a 10, anime buffs who are haters won't bother as much. On a strictly anime site, ratings will drastically be different.
Avatar (specifically ATLA) is well liked here as well. ATLA if it was part of the database would very likely have a 9 score here like Hunter X Hunter because shonen haters would consider it a battle shonen done right . On this site specifically haters bash the big 3 (mainly Naruto and Bleach) because of long filler arcs which ATLA doesn't have and Naruto and Bleach also get a lot of hate because of certain arcs where people think they took a nose dive in quality (Fake Karakura Town arc and Naruto's war arc). ATLA does not have that problem, each of it's arcs are considered good. I personally am not a fan of Book 2 but I have noticed I am in the minority and I do admit there were some good things about that book. ATLA having no filler arcs and being seen as consistently good from beginning to end would cause it to be rated well by both battle shonen lovers and haters thus allowing it to reach the top 10 like Hunter X Hunter 2011.
Feb 6, 2015 3:07 AM

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Like I said, I really don't see it reaching a 9.0. I could go on all day with you using the same reasons, but neither of us seem likely to budge. Its better we discuss erza ;)
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I could see Book 1 and Book 3 being rated above 8s. I gave both 8-9 out of 10. As for book 2.....it wouldn't be as low as it should be. Probably a low 7. Maybe even a high 6.
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
Like I said, I really don't see it reaching a 9.0. I could go on all day with you using the same reasons, but neither of us seem likely to budge. Its better we discuss erza ;)
Looking forward to that Erza discussion but now I really need to catch some ZZZZs.
Feb 6, 2015 3:21 AM

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It's not that great anyway. It's not bad but it's way overrated.
So no.
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Rick and Morty ranks higher than Avatar on IMDb
Just wanted to mention that
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Moneyburns said:
Rick and Morty ranks higher than Avatar on IMDb
Just wanted to mention that
Same score but you have to take into account that ATLA has more votes.
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Moneyburns said:
Rick and Morty ranks higher than Avatar on IMDb
Just wanted to mention that


And Rick and Morty though great will also go down in time with more exposure.

You'll are just deceiving yourselfs. ATLA is a 10/10 no matter where you go. It would definitely hold the spot of best anime. Only RWBY could come close.
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RedRoseFring said:
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Rick and Morty ranks higher than Avatar on IMDb
Just wanted to mention that


And Rick and Morty though great will also go down in time with more exposure.

You'll are just deceiving yourselfs. ATLA is a 10/10 no matter where you go. It would definitely hold the spot of best anime. Only RWBY could come close.


Isn't RWBY that show with god-awful animation, bad characters, generally bad episodes? OP is good though.
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
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And Rick and Morty though great will also go down in time with more exposure.

You'll are just deceiving yourselfs. ATLA is a 10/10 no matter where you go. It would definitely hold the spot of best anime. Only RWBY could come close.


Isn't RWBY that show with god-awful animation, bad characters, generally bad episodes? OP is good though.


Still better than 80% of anime.
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RedRoseFring said:
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Isn't RWBY that show with god-awful animation, bad characters, generally bad episodes? OP is good though.


Still better than 80% of anime.


RWBY? I've seen the entire first season and saw nothing more than a knock-off. RWBY was really bad, unlike Avatar.
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Nah.

I really like Avatar, watched every series and even the comedy spinoffs, and I've also read the continuation comics.

But no, I don't think so.

Also, RWBY would be a high 7 at best IMO, and I really liked that thing. I was really saddened by Monty Oum's death.


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RedRoseFring said:
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Isn't RWBY that show with god-awful animation, bad characters, generally bad episodes? OP is good though.


Still better than 80% of anime.

You didn't even watch 2% of all anime
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
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Still better than 80% of anime.


RWBY? I've seen the entire first season and saw nothing more than a knock-off. RWBY was really bad, unlike Avatar.


I'd have no idea. I haven't watched it.
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I knew it, lol.

RWBY in general just wasn't good. I can't speak for S2, but S1 had awkward animation, characters more generic than harem girls, bad episodes with bad material.

I just saw nothing go right.
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Kagami_Hiiragi said:
I knew it, lol.

RWBY in general just wasn't good. I can't speak for S2, but S1 had awkward animation, characters more generic than harem girls, bad episodes with bad material.

I just saw nothing go right.


As much as I like the series, I agree.

RWBY feels like a tribute or a spinoff more than an actual series.

I just loved it because of the OST, the character design, and the glorious fight scenes (especially in S2)


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It would be divided into season right?And I don't think that any season on his own is a masterpiece,it's more about the overall picture imo.
But sure,a lot of people would score it a 10 and it would eventually be in the top 60.
LOK(Book 4)could replace Skelter Heaven as the lowest scored anime and I would be fine with it.


Well, if Avatar is included into DB it would be just one Anime, Look at LOGH for example I think.
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It would be divided into season right?And I don't think that any season on his own is a masterpiece,it's more about the overall picture imo.
But sure,a lot of people would score it a 10 and it would eventually be in the top 60.
LOK(Book 4)could replace Skelter Heaven as the lowest scored anime and I would be fine with it.


Well, if Avatar is included into DB it would be just one Anime, Look at LOGH for example I think.

That was an OVA, though.
MAL splits seasons of TV shows, I think.
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ANIME-STYLE CARTOON=SHIT
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ANIME-STYLE CARTOON=SHIT
ok
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ANIME=SHIT
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If you look at how high it is at hummingbird and the scores of MAL and Hummingbird are lot like each other, I'm pretty sure Book 3 of ATLA would be in top 20 or at least top 30
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AzureDaora said:
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I knew it, lol.

RWBY in general just wasn't good. I can't speak for S2, but S1 had awkward animation, characters more generic than harem girls, bad episodes with bad material.

I just saw nothing go right.


As much as I like the series, I agree.

RWBY feels like a tribute or a spinoff more than an actual series.

I just loved it because of the OST, the character design, and the glorious fight scenes (especially in S2)


This.

Though I don't like RWBY, it has very nice character designs and a lot of love put into the world - that doesn't make it good but it has its own charm.

If you want to really judge it though it's got a generic plot and characters which feel like they exist for yuri-bait a lot of the time. The best thing about it is the style - which is why the character introductions before the series aired are, imo, the best the series gets.

I wouldn't call it bad - just generic outside of the art. It feels a little too much like an anime fan wrote an anime...
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