ichii_1 said: Because Bara is better :) You might be right. I didn't know about bara... From what I'm reading on Wikipedia, yaoi is basically porn by and for straight women, and bara tells less idealized stories and occasionally confronts sociopolitical issues. Yay. I just learned something. |
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AllenVonStein said: Gay thread Precisely. I haven't seen a single frown in this thread as of yet. |
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aikaflip said: ichii_1 said: Because Bara is better :) You might be right. I didn't know about bara... From what I'm reading on Wikipedia, yaoi is basically porn by and for straight women, and bara tells less idealized stories and occasionally confronts sociopolitical issues. Yay. I just learned something. Yaoi has girly men, it's basically futanari/trap, the people aren't even getting off on the men just the girls with dicks. In short Yaoi = girls with dicks Bara = real men. |
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ichii_1 said: Because Bara is better :) I like Yaoi, but I'm not a fan of Bara. It's a little too "Manly" for my taste. |
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FlamingMangos said: I hate yaoi because I'm not gay but that doesn't mean I'm against gay people or anything. :> |
FlamingMangos said: One, you can watch something even if you're not into doing it yourself.I hate yaoi because I'm not gay but that doesn't mean I'm against gay people or anything. Two, just because you're not something doesn't mean you hate it. |
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IntroverTurtle said: +1FlamingMangos said: One, you can watch something even if you're not into doing it yourself.I hate yaoi because I'm not gay but that doesn't mean I'm against gay people or anything. Two, just because you're not something doesn't mean you hate it. +1 |
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ichii_1 said: aikaflip said: You might be right. I didn't know about bara... From what I'm reading on Wikipedia, yaoi is basically porn by and for straight women, and bara tells less idealized stories and occasionally confronts sociopolitical issues. Yay. I just learned something. Yaoi has girly men, it's basically futanari/trap, the people aren't even getting off on the men just the girls with dicks. In short Yaoi = girls with dicks Bara = real men. In my experience, bara are festishized and mostly for fap purposes. I have yet to find one that has a decent story. |
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| Honestly the biggest turn off for me is a lot of the character designs, they look really weird. I suppose there are some mangaka that have decent designs but the stereotypical style weirds me out. |
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mayukachan said: ichii_1 said: Yaoi has girly men, it's basically futanari/trap, the people aren't even getting off on the men just the girls with dicks. In short Yaoi = girls with dicks Bara = real men. In my experience, bara are festishized and mostly for fap purposes. I have yet to find one that has a decent story. So basically yaoi and bara are still mostly porn? What I'd really like to see one day is a "yaoi" version of Aoi Hana, something with a good message that's fun and non-exploitative and wasn't created solely to stimulate people's genitals. |
| i dont hate yaoi. i hate the abusive relationships in it. and there's an awful amount of that in yaoi ngl. shounen ai is a bit better but it's still just..... i think mangakas really need to change the way their depict these relationships. people will get the wrong idea and i've heard a lot of 'fujoshis' say that they don't mind the abusive relationships and even want certain characters to get together despite being in a really unhealthy relationship because 'they fit together' and 'because it's love' lmao that's just fricked up and you need to rethink your life young ms |
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aikaflip said: mayukachan said: In my experience, bara are festishized and mostly for fap purposes. I have yet to find one that has a decent story. So basically yaoi and bara are still mostly porn? What I'd really like to see one day is a "yaoi" version of Aoi Hana, something with a good message that's fun and non-exploitative and wasn't created solely to stimulate people's genitals. Yaoi is either: Smut with a generic plot or a good plot with a few sex scenes. At least that's what I've noticed. The latter is much rarer though. As for bara, its all porn. As for shounen-ai, its just romance between two guys and if its tagged correctly, there should be nothing that is sexual or hentai like. God knows why Junjou Romantica and Sekaiichi Hatsuloi are tagged as only shounen ai. |
Feaor said: Honestly the biggest turn off for me is a lot of the character designs, they look really weird. I suppose there are some mangaka that have decent designs but the stereotypical style weirds me out. The poor guys look deformed. |
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cupc said: Feaor said: Honestly the biggest turn off for me is a lot of the character designs, they look really weird. I suppose there are some mangaka that have decent designs but the stereotypical style weirds me out. The poor guys look deformed. I've noticed this, too. Is it just me, or are their mouths usually too long? |
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chuuzenjis said: i dont hate yaoi. i hate the abusive relationships in it. and there's an awful amount of that in yaoi ngl. shounen ai is a bit better but it's still just..... i think mangakas really need to change the way their depict these relationships. people will get the wrong idea and i've heard a lot of 'fujoshis' say that they don't mind the abusive relationships and even want certain characters to get together despite being in a really unhealthy relationship because 'they fit together' and 'because it's love' lmao that's just fricked up and you need to rethink your life young ms I agree, but in the end, the creators are trying to earn money and smut without good writing sells much more often than something that isn't just fanservice. The demand is still high and theres a large audience who actually like the traditional boy rapes boy formula. |
aikaflip said: cupc said: The poor guys look deformed. I've noticed this, too. Is it just me, or are their mouths usually too long? |
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Feaor said: Oh and also the fact that a lot of them have almost exclusively male casts, even including side characters there are few to no girls. That's a little hard to believe, why can't there be a balance? That's the same as asking a harem anime or yuri anime to balance it out. They won't. As a girl, I think its refreshing to have all male casts from time to time when most anime are the opposite. What i dislike are stories that revolve around an all gay cast, which is somewhat unrealistic. |
FlamingMangos said: I hate yaoi because I'm not gay but that doesn't mean I'm against gay people or anything. Lol, but you can like yaoi or shounen-ai without being gay? I'm not a women nor a lesbian but I can still appreciate and like Aoi Hana. |
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mayukachan said: chuuzenjis said: i dont hate yaoi. i hate the abusive relationships in it. and there's an awful amount of that in yaoi ngl. shounen ai is a bit better but it's still just..... i think mangakas really need to change the way their depict these relationships. people will get the wrong idea and i've heard a lot of 'fujoshis' say that they don't mind the abusive relationships and even want certain characters to get together despite being in a really unhealthy relationship because 'they fit together' and 'because it's love' lmao that's just fricked up and you need to rethink your life young ms I agree, but in the end, the creators are trying to earn money and smut without good writing sells much more often than something that isn't just fanservice. The demand is still high and theres a large audience who actually like the traditional boy rapes boy formula. yeah i mean i get what they're doing but i wish they'd put the love and care in a relationship in the foreground. it's almost like yaoi fangirls have started to believe that possessiveness equals love. and i really dont think we need more of these stereotypes. i just wish they'd change it for the better some time. i feel like it has actually gotten worse than better in the past few years. that's why i'm not really into yaoi/shounen ai as much anymore even though i used to really enjoy it a while back. i mean i will still watch it but oftentimes i will get disappointed by it. :P Feaor said: Oh and also the fact that a lot of them have almost exclusively male casts, even including side characters there are few to no girls. That's a little hard to believe, why can't there be a balance? i dont mind the exclusive male casts. the only thing that really bugs me is if the entire manga/anime is filled with gay couples who are conveniently all super close to eachother and work in the same department/go to the same school etc. that's just.. stupid |
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Comic_Sans said: aikaflip said: I've noticed this, too. Is it just me, or are their mouths usually too long? *dying* XD mayukachan said: aikaflip said: So basically yaoi and bara are still mostly porn? What I'd really like to see one day is a "yaoi" version of Aoi Hana, something with a good message that's fun and non-exploitative and wasn't created solely to stimulate people's genitals. Yaoi is either: Smut with a generic plot or a good plot with a few sex scenes. At least that's what I've noticed. The latter is much rarer though. As for bara, its all porn. As for shounen-ai, its just romance between two guys and if its tagged correctly, there should be nothing that is sexual or hentai like. God knows why Junjou Romantica and Sekaiichi Hatsuloi are tagged as only shounen ai. It sounds like a mess... Well, Complex is next in my reading queue. I'll see how that goes. |
crestofhonesty said: FlamingMangos said: I hate yaoi because I'm not gay but that doesn't mean I'm against gay people or anything. Lol, but you can like yaoi or shounen-ai without being gay? I'm not a women nor a lesbian but I can still appreciate and like Aoi Hana. This. @chuu : I've read a fair amount of the older and newer ones and there's been a lot more concensual or purely fluff BL nowadays which is a good change. Maybe you're referring to BL anime? They only adapt really popular series like Junjou... @aikaflip : Enjoy Complex!! Its my highest rated in the BL genre. |
mayukachan said: I heard Bara is targeted to Gay men not Fujoshi's is that true?ichii_1 said: Yaoi has girly men, it's basically futanari/trap, the people aren't even getting off on the men just the girls with dicks. In short Yaoi = girls with dicks Bara = real men. In my experience, bara are festishized and mostly for fap purposes. I have yet to find one that has a decent story. |
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CashMoney said: mayukachan said: I heard Bara is targeted to Gay men not Fujoshi's is that true?In my experience, bara are festishized and mostly for fap purposes. I have yet to find one that has a decent story. Yes. However, both audiences can like either. |
mayukachan said: @chuu : I've read a fair amount of the older and newer ones and there's been a lot more concensual or purely fluff BL nowadays which is a good change. Maybe you're referring to BL anime? They only adapt really popular series like Junjou... you think so? i've been perceiving it completely differently. i think the new ones have a lot more really really possessive and abusive relationships. then again there were a lot of bs mangas of that genre that came out around 2004-2008. oh well i still do like yaoi. and i do watch bl anime. it's just that i wish they'd change the way they depict the relationships between the characters. like.. i do enjoy junjou and sekaiichi.. but those two actually have a lot of the things that really bug me about the yaoi manga scene. like conveniently connected gay couples working in the exact same building. possessive/abusive relationships. forms of rape. etc. idk it may just be wishful thinking on my part but i'd really like everything to just be fluffy and lovely and cute and not weird af |
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chuuzenjis said: mayukachan said: @chuu : I've read a fair amount of the older and newer ones and there's been a lot more concensual or purely fluff BL nowadays which is a good change. Maybe you're referring to BL anime? They only adapt really popular series like Junjou... you think so? i've been perceiving it completely differently. i think the new ones have a lot more really really possessive and abusive relationships. then again there were a lot of bs mangas of that genre that came out around 2004-2008. oh well i still do like yaoi. and i do watch bl anime. it's just that i wish they'd change the way they depict the relationships between the characters. like.. i do enjoy junjou and sekaiichi.. but those two actually have a lot of the things that really bug me about the yaoi manga scene. like conveniently connected gay couples working in the exact same building. possessive/abusive relationships. forms of rape. etc. idk it may just be wishful thinking on my part but i'd really like everything to just be fluffy and lovely and cute and not weird af yeah i enjoy those ones (JJ and SH) as well but there's the main two that fit the description "dubcon/rapey" and the only anime adapations in BL anime are from that author specifically. the tropes started from the older ones and then it just kept on going. im generally referring to post-2010, especially long runners like junko's works, love stage and honto yajuu, both which are pretty popular in the fujoshi community and are actually consensual :> i think we just need a balance of pure ones and non-pure, honestly. since getting only one side won't satisfy everyone. |
mayukachan said: chuuzenjis said: you think so? i've been perceiving it completely differently. i think the new ones have a lot more really really possessive and abusive relationships. then again there were a lot of bs mangas of that genre that came out around 2004-2008. oh well i still do like yaoi. and i do watch bl anime. it's just that i wish they'd change the way they depict the relationships between the characters. like.. i do enjoy junjou and sekaiichi.. but those two actually have a lot of the things that really bug me about the yaoi manga scene. like conveniently connected gay couples working in the exact same building. possessive/abusive relationships. forms of rape. etc. idk it may just be wishful thinking on my part but i'd really like everything to just be fluffy and lovely and cute and not weird af yeah i enjoy those ones (JJ and SH) as well but there's the main two that fit the description "dubcon/rapey" and the only anime adapations in BL anime are from that author specifically. the tropes started from the older ones and then it just kept on going. im generally referring to post-2010, especially long runners like junko's works, love stage and honto yajuu, both which are pretty popular in the fujoshi community and are actually consensual :> i think we just need a balance of pure ones and non-pure, honestly. since getting only one side won't satisfy everyone. yeah true. sighs.. we need more good bl anime. (we also really really need more josei) ohh i see what you mean. maybe i kind of forgot about all of those because i personally didnt enjoy both love stage, honto yajuu and others who are similarly popular these days. sorry. that was my bad lmao and yes i totally agree. something balanced would be nice. it's just that lately i cant seem to bring myself to enjoy yaoi/shounen ai as much as i used to because it's all much too focused on very negative relationships |
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mayukachan said: In my experience, bara are festishized and mostly for fap purposes. I have yet to find one that has a decent story. Have you tired reading some stories by Mentaiko? Some of his bara have good stories. |
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mayukachan said: if you ever need recs for better series, i invited you to a club im in on MAL :> thank you i just saw <3 |
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Thebigofan said: mayukachan said: In my experience, bara are festishized and mostly for fap purposes. I have yet to find one that has a decent story. Have you tired reading some stories by Mentaiko? Some of his bara have good stories. I've read one doujin from him before, but yeah thanks I'll check out his works. |
o123o said: Chuu, watch the anime I, My, Me Strawberry . Its amazing ohh never heard of that before. thanks a bunch <3 |
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chuuzenjis said: o123o said: Chuu, watch the anime I, My, Me Strawberry . Its amazing ohh never heard of that before. thanks a bunch <3 oh boy please let me know your thoughts too since y123y forced me to watch it too XD Dark_Chaos said: From what I've experienced, it's all the same. I don't hate it, but I wish there wasn't a rapist in every one (not literally mind you, but you know what I mean -.- ) i was about to take you seriously but you've read 21 manga and i bet most of them are not BL lol |
mayukachan said: chuuzenjis said: ohh never heard of that before. thanks a bunch <3 oh boy please let me know your thoughts too since y123y forced me to watch it too XD lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao well maybe it might just be the most brutal series in the existence of...ever :) no joke that was cute it made me giggle lmao |
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o123o said: chuuzenjis said: lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao well maybe it might just be the most brutal series in the existence of...ever :) no joke that was cute it made me giggle lmao Mayuka had tons of Feels from that anime. She said thank you to me so many times for introducing her to that anime. And nothing tops Boys Be as the most brutal moment in anime history in terms of romance lmfao i'm still giggling you're cute lmao |
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mayukachan said: R3C said: Is here the Fujoshi chat thread? im not You are not a chat thread? |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: mayukachan said: im not You are not a chat thread? yep |
o123o said: So there you go Chuu. Mayuka wants your opinion for I, My, Me as well. Make that anime priority number 1. Also, give us your reaction to episode 10, kinda like you gave us your reaction for episode 7 of Boys Be Damn, im good. lol i think i'm gonna finish baby steps first. and i might just marathon slam dunk before that. but i could watch it after that! |
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