-Klad- said: tsudecimo said: The problem with the quotation objective you are using, is that standards are not universal and how to interpret the quality of literary terms isn't either. So a statement can be objective only by your own standards, which is completely pointless and worthless. Isnt this the same with what he stated? You guys have me confused here lol Did he lol? I didn't bother reading all his post. I just skimmed it. |
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chuuzenjis said: sullynathan said: I've always found this definition weird. I know people whose personality is very contradictory with their actions. Would they be badly written in a story? i think it's more about the fact that those characters usually only suddenly act a certain way because it's convenient for the plot If it happens once then would the character still be badly written? |
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keragamming said: chuuzenjis said: I feel like a lot of people call a character 'badly-written' when they simply do not like them. What is your personal criteria when you call a character 'badly-written'? Also please do give examples of such characters and why that particular character is 'badly written'. I thought of this as well. Even if you show a person how much development a character gets, their opinion doesn't change. So Basically I don't like this character so he/she is badly written. Well most of the time that's the case. Probably because development is not the only thing that makes or breaks character, or they thought the development was bad. I'm starting to hate this popular term. |
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romagia said: It's the test version of MAL IIRC that they use to try new features on before pushing it to the main site to prevent bugs etc. And that's what happens when you use a number that's not a multiple of 20 in the url.what the hell is origin.myanimelist? why does that thread have negative pages? O_o is this some twilight zone website? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1350513&show=15 |
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romagia said: what the hell is origin.myanimelist? why does that thread have negative pages? O_o is this some twilight zone website? Haha, MAL.origin is -putting in simple terms- a ghost archive for the forums. I'm not sure if it's still functional for the recent stuff, but used to work back in the day. It's the one I have bookmarked (this one won't get erased with forum cleans). Whenever we had our lists and/or profiles raided on SJJMaster and kind you simply open the ghost and fix it yourself. Actually I think I'm not supposed to say this here ...but moderation has been MIA for the past week so whatever. -Klad- said: tsudecimo said: The problem with the quotation objective you are using, is that standards are not universal and how to interpret the quality of literary terms isn't either. So a statement can be objective only by your own standards, which is completely pointless and worthless. Isnt this the same with what he stated? You guys have me confused here lol It is. He's arguing with me and shoving a text-block that talks about framework while he doesn't even know what that is. |
gedata said: Badly written characters can also be ones that have little to no depth and really on horrible mood-breaking schtick (like Puck in Berserk, fuck that guy) he's a comedy relief character. |
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gedata said: Badly written characters can also be ones that have little to no depth and really on horrible mood-breaking schtick (like Puck in Berserk, fuck that guy) Having a constant comic relief in a story like Berserk is pretty weird. I wanted to say Mako from KLK as well, but at least she fits the story and the general non-serious mood from it (she became really annoying after a while tho) |
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badwolf45f said: WAD1992 said: THANK YOU !!! tbh, i had no intention of explaining this to someone who thinks cross ange is the best thing that happens to anime :") (not talking about you @badwolf , i haven't seen your list yet, but i hope this explanation made things a bit clearer about the whole anime/manga dilemma) Well, I was talking about the anime not the manga, we all know manga > anime sadly yes in most cases :( |
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sullynathan said: chuuzenjis said: i think it's more about the fact that those characters usually only suddenly act a certain way because it's convenient for the plot If it happens once then would the character still be badly written? i personally dont think so. i know humans who're like that so i don't think i'd personally consider it badly-written. but oftentimes there's a certain character and he will change only when it's convenient for the plot and then change back and it's jsut.. very inconsistent? but then again that's why i'm curious as to what people consider badly-written. what do you consider badly-written? |
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xbobx said: It is. He's arguing with me and shoving a text-block that talks about framework while he doesn't even know what that is. I understand what it means, you are just being aggressive for no reason. |
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RedRoseFring said: I don't get this attitude at all, some characters aren't meant to be likable and I don't think that makes them a bad character.Badly written character = Character I don't like. I've never used the term because it hardly means anything. |
IntroverTurtle said: romagia said: It's the test version of MAL IIRC that they use to try new features on before pushing it to the main site to prevent bugs etc. And that's what happens when you use a number that's not a multiple of 20 in the url.what the hell is origin.myanimelist? why does that thread have negative pages? O_o is this some twilight zone website? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1350513&show=15 xbobx said: i see o>o'romagia said: what the hell is origin.myanimelist? why does that thread have negative pages? O_o is this some twilight zone website? Haha, MAL.origin is -putting in simple terms- a ghost archive for the forums. I'm not sure if it's still functional for the recent stuff, but used to work back in the day. It's the one I have bookmarked (this one won't get erased with forum cleans). Whenever we had our lists and/or profiles raided on SJJMaster and kind you simply open the ghost and fix it yourself. Actually I think I'm not supposed to say this here ...but moderation has been MIA for the past week so whatever. thanks xbobx said: Let me try to tackle some ambiguities in these criteria...tsudecimo said: Badly written [u]is still subjective[/u] no matter the criteria or standard, [u]it's just not personal[/u] like like and dislike. You are not making sense. Regardless, no. You can still "objectively" judge a character as badly-written based on the criteria I exemplified on this thread couple of posts ago: You must fit a lot of basic requirements while writing a storyline, and creating solid characters is part of it. Background story, situational depth, characteristics and personality, development, placement... all the writing 101. If it's badly-written it is because they fail at something. Sure there will be bias, but you will have proof. Background Story - Many characters don't have much of a background story, especially side characters; Does that mean they are badly written? Situational Depth - What does it mean exactly? Characters' reaction to a situation? Characteristics and Personality - This one sounds pretty subjective; when is it badly written characteristics/personality, and when is it i don't like these characteristics/personality? Development - Short anime, episodic series, and side characters don't get to have much character development; does that mean they are badly written? Placement - I just don't get what you mean by this. |
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Feaor said: RedRoseFring said: I don't get this attitude at all, some characters aren't meant to be likable and I don't think that makes them a bad character.Badly written character = Character I don't like. I've never used the term because it hardly means anything. yeah i agree. i also dont get it when people call 'boring' characters badly written myself. |
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RedRoseFring said: On it's own, yes, it means about as much as pretty much every other catch-all phrases used in place of criticism like "pretentious"Badly written character = Character I don't like. I've never used the term because it hardly means anything. |
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Feaor said: RedRoseFring said: I don't get this attitude at all, some characters aren't meant to be likable and I don't think that makes them a bad character.Badly written character = Character I don't like. I've never used the term because it hardly means anything. That's life. People just use "badly written" to make it sound like they have some deep logical or objective reasoning for disliking a character, when all it is is that they hate the character. |
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| Well, the definition of a badly written character is self explanatory. Examples - Natsu Dragneel - gets random asspulls and friendship power ups in every fight. Kirito - gary stu who is op as fuck. Kohta - stupid as fuck, bland mc that doesn't have any common sense whatsoever. |
RedRoseFring said: Feaor said: I don't get this attitude at all, some characters aren't meant to be likable and I don't think that makes them a bad character. That's life. People just use "badly written" to make it sound like they have some deep logical or objective reasoning for disliking a character, when all it is is that they hate the character. i agree with that up to a certain point. and that's exactly what is bothering me about the whole 'badly-written' thing. people use it to make their opinion sound less subjective and that's really irritating. but i do think characters CAN be written badly and i personally don't mind when somebody calls a character that when it has basis. |
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RedRoseFring said: But on the flip side there are characters which I do not feel are well written but I have liked so for me liking or disliking a character really has nothing to do with how well I perceive they are written.Feaor said: I don't get this attitude at all, some characters aren't meant to be likable and I don't think that makes them a bad character. That's life. People just use "badly written" to make it sound like they have some deep logical or objective reasoning for disliking a character, when all it is is that they hate the character. |
| I would like to know how the general populace defines "badly written" also, as it appears to me that yall mofos just label characters you do not like as such. |
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Dark_Chaos said: I would like to know how the general populace defines "badly written" also, as it appears to me that yall mofos just label characters you do not like as such. this. T_T |
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Shadow-Senpai said: I think it all comes down to characters being one dimensional. Many characters in anime aren't really explored into great detail, this includes not being given a backstory, or not changing throughout the series. If this happens then perhaps they will have similar or the same facial expressions and "personality" throughout the entire series That's just generalization. |
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| My definition of a badly written character is one where the writer(s) don't manage to keep a character's personality and thought process consistent within a moral code throughout a show. Or, a character that the show in question blows up in proportion in terms of talking up their skill or intelligence but they can't back it up with an action or situation that shows that skill or intelligence being used to great effect. An example of this is the loli from Kamisama no Memochou/ Heaven's Memo Pad, whom the writers tried to make the viewer think was a super special and intelligent genius, but it never came to light in anything other than allusions and other characters talking her up, and tacking onto her personality a self-important, sarcastic, egocentric and snide attitude as if that was somehow enough to become a genius. The writers displayed how far they are from understanding how a genius' thought process works, and failed to put her in a spot to prove it. The most lazy types of stereotypes, like the man piñata/ doormat nerd Japan loves to throw around so much, and the vile bitches that surround them. There are many more examples of poorly written characters, but those are pet peeves of mine. |
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romagia said: xbobx said: Let me try to tackle some ambiguities in these criteria...You are not making sense. Regardless, no. You can still "objectively" judge a character as badly-written based on the criteria I exemplified on this thread couple of posts ago: Sure there will be bias, but you will have proof. Background Story - Many characters don't have much of a background story, especially side characters; Does that mean they are badly written? Situational Depth - What does it mean exactly? Characters' reaction to a situation? Characteristics and Personality - This one sounds pretty subjective; when is it badly written characteristics/personality, and when is it i don't like these characteristics/personality? Development - Short anime, episodic series, and side characters don't get to have much character development; does that mean they are badly written? Placement - I just don't get what you mean by this. 'tis a very delicate subject, as seen by the totally out-of-place comments of our resident naruto lover. If you may, take a look at the original pasta, 'cause I'll use some of the same terms Orsonius used on her post. I'll also make use of examples in order to make things clearer. Wall of text ahead. |
xbobxFeb 3, 2015 2:11 PM
chuuzenjis said: who cares about anime kaneki when manga kaneki exists though Unfortunately a lot more people know the anime than the manga. |
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xbobx said: chuuzenjis said: What is your personal criteria when you call a character 'badly-written'? Being "badly-written" truly isn't subjective. You must fit a lot of basic requirements while writing a storyline, and creating solid characters is part of it. Background story, situational depth, characteristics and personality, development, placement... all the writing 101. If it's badly-written it is because they fail at something. You can think of the examples yourself. This man knows his shit. |
Ragna92 said: chuuzenjis said: who cares about anime kaneki when manga kaneki exists though Unfortunately a lot more people know the anime than the manga. That truly is a damn shame. |
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PoeticJustice said: nigga i am black, do you think my ass would fit in? "Oh look it is negro kun." Hell no. |
waterfallsxo said: I never thought that Kaneki was a pussy...That's just me. apparently if a male lead isn't JoJo he is by default a pussy :") when i see people with such opinions i honestly stop trying ... |
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Zer01 said: Ragna92 said: Unfortunately a lot more people know the anime than the manga. That truly is a damn shame. i'm sad because there are a lot of people i've encountered who even get mad at you for not really liking the anime. but the manga is just.. one of the best ones i have ever read and the anime isn't bad at all... it's just.. if you know the manga the anime has little to no impact on you anymore |
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badwolf45f said: Rip NaruSaku ;_;chuuzenjis said: YES THANK YOU BLESS YOU. sakura haruno is my most disliked character of all time. and i agree with everything you'Ve said about her. she's so inconsistent. that's what i personally call badly-written. I used to like her in shippuden, I liked the development she was having but at the end it was for nothing so xD |
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badwolf45f said: chuuzenjis said: YES THANK YOU BLESS YOU. sakura haruno is my most disliked character of all time. and i agree with everything you'Ve said about her. she's so inconsistent. that's what i personally call badly-written. I used to like her in shippuden, I liked the development she was having but at the end it was for nothing so xD Honeslty, I still like Sakura (when she doesn't think about Sasuke), but I'm agree I was damn upset in the ending when all of her development was thrown in the garbage for "F*** off! Make a shipping Fanservice ending and go f*** yourself!" But honestly, I freaking hate Hinata! She had a potential to be an interesting character but I think she get as bad treatment as Sakura. Because all of her potential and her personnality were too thrown away for "shipping fanservice" crap and that's made her as obnoxius as Sakura with "Neji die? I don't care! Just Naruto is important!! Ho! His hand is so big! I'm comiiiiing!" |
o123o said: For me, a badly written character is an over the top psychotic villain with the evil laugh and the evil glare That's an archetype, not a badly-written character. |
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badwolf45f said: There was a reason, she was craving Uchiha D badly.When a character starts doing the opposite of what the story has told me, like "this character is very sweet because blah blah and also blah blah" and then they act very diferently because yes. Example Sakura Haruno |
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DrGeroCreation said: She stood dry for to long...badwolf45f said: There was a reason, she was craving Uchiha D badly.When a character starts doing the opposite of what the story has told me, like "this character is very sweet because blah blah and also blah blah" and then they act very diferently because yes. Example Sakura Haruno |
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Milk_is_Special said: DrGeroCreation said: She stood dry for to long...There was a reason, she was craving Uchiha D badly. well she needs to gets some like every F***ING MALE DOES!! JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN DOESN'T MEAN SHE'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE HORNY !!! |
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Gator said: Example: Nunnally from Code Geass Was portrayed as a kind girl who loves her brother above everything. Badly-written because that made no sense at all. Not really. She was manipulated into doing that by her other siblings. |
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Scazoff said: badwolf45f said: Rip NaruSaku ;_;I used to like her in shippuden, I liked the development she was having but at the end it was for nothing so xD I know, damn kishi :( |
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Balong said: Honeslty, I still like Sakura (when she doesn't think about Sasuke), but I'm agree I was damn upset in the ending when all of her development was thrown in the garbage for "F*** off! Make a shipping Fanservice ending and go f*** yourself!" If I forget the ending yeah, I still like Sakura but it doesn't helps that much, what is done is done. Balong said: But honestly, I freaking hate Hinata! She had a potential to be an interesting character but I think she get as bad treatment as Sakura. Because all of her potential and her personnality were too thrown away for "shipping fanservice" crap and that's made her as obnoxius as Sakura with "Neji die? I don't care! Just Naruto is important!! Ho! His hand is so big! I'm comiiiiing!" I lol |
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chuuzenjis said: Well, the anime made me interested on the manga so i was a bit thankful for that. I read the manga when it was only 3 episode aired because someone said the anime rushed like hell so that's why probably i didn't really pissed of the anime one.Zer01 said: That truly is a damn shame. i'm sad because there are a lot of people i've encountered who even get mad at you for not really liking the anime. but the manga is just.. one of the best ones i have ever read and the anime isn't bad at all... it's just.. if you know the manga the anime has little to no impact on you anymore |
chuuzenjis said: I feel like a lot of people call a character 'badly-written' when they simply do not like them. What is your personal criteria when you call a character 'badly-written'? Also please do give examples of such characters and why that particular character is 'badly written'. Several points of attention : 1) The character behave illogically at times considering his personality or his past, and it is never explained. 2) the different components of the character (his past, personality, and so on) don't go together at all and seems to be just a listing of things without any try to connect them; Worse, in some case, some parts can even contradicts others parts. Example would be the main girl in Kyoukai no Kanata. She's unable to hide her feelings during the whole show, being quickly disturbed by anything going out of what she expected, quickly flustered and unable to make the easiest lie due to this, yet she's supposed to have lied to everyone all the time successfully. 3) the character is just a walking cliché without any depth, completely one dimensional. They're everywhere. one dimensional tsundere, one dimensional badass, and so on. 4) Some things about the characters cannot be "forgiven" with a suspension of disbelief. Like, a girl completely falling in love with a boy in about 5 minute time, now trying to get into his bed actively, when she was looking down on him before, and the like. Perfect example of this would be that english character in Infinite Stratos. Something like this, for example. |
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