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11-19-09, 3:30 PM

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brinan said:
I hate them for several reasons, the people creating them think their the most creative people in the world, when all they do is link a bunch of random clips together and then add music like death metal. Yeah, your really creative. Add the fact that most of the people respond to these videos like the creators have done something truely amazing-- worthy of worship.. it just adds to my hate.


Obviously -- you haven't seen the ones where people actually did put work into these videos -- other than simple random pasting of clips glued to music.

Plenty utilize visual effects. Random anime clips -- in mini-windows. A flurry of color and text. And a whole mess of other stuff people can actually do creatively with these things.

And yes. I hate the 99% of AMVs that are random clips with music behind them. Any dumbass can make those.
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11-19-09, 3:30 PM

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Anything that isn't in sync with the audio doesn't count as an AMV in my books. It's like fanfiction to a novel. I just think you've been intoxicated by all the crap that you rarely see the gems. A good AMV incorperates the lyrics by either lip syncing it to the anime or follow the "story" of the song through the visuals. Hell this stuff is on par with the Anime Opening/Closing videos.
 
11-19-09, 3:36 PM

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ace52387 said:

Some are just good video editing skills.
I don't know how to describe this one
MY MIND HAS JUST BEEN BLOWN. o_O

This one from Nico Nico Douga is all sorts of epic.

 
11-19-09, 3:45 PM

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Asako said:
I find most of them pretty crappy, but I have seen some exceptional works, so I can't condemn the entire practice, even in a great deal of it is crappy Linkin Park songs with Sasuke or the likes.


Winners or even Finalists of "AMV" contests at the major conventions, like Anime Expo, especially the more creative works. The competitive aspect puts entrees into a higher standard.

Now, about the random clips glued to music -- even this style CAN be done well -- just as long as the purpose is filled, like the reason for using certain clips at certain times are obvious. Yea, I managed to rethink about a couple that fit the "random" category but aren't actually that bad.
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11-19-09, 3:53 PM

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Yes as most people have said, most AMV's are pretty bad. Just random clips from the show with the same music(Now i enjoy Linkin Park but i agree i want some variety). I have personally only come across one AMV that i actually enjoyed.

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11-19-09, 3:57 PM

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For some good stuff, try some Touhou MADs.
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11-19-09, 4:00 PM

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AMVs are kinda like diamonds, you need to sift through a lot to find the good ones and still they're outnumbered by the dirt and mud.


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11-19-09, 4:03 PM

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It's not that I hate them, I just fail to see the objective.

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11-19-09, 4:03 PM

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I don't hate them I only hate the oones that aren't creative and have let the bodies hit the floor for a fighting amv . what i do is pick a song that goes along with the anime's storyline or a character personality
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11-19-09, 4:12 PM

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Personally, I'm not a fan of AMV's. I'll admit that some are high quality, but that's just like anything. You'll have your low quality and then you'll have a few who are talented.

I just don't like the idea of an AMV. I watch TV shows, anime, movies, etc because they contain a story. An AMV, to me, doesn't contain a story. It's clips from an anime (or multiple animes) with some music added. Now sure it's not that simple, but I don't think AMV's add anything.

To me, it's like a music video. I enjoy music, but I find music video's pointless. A lot of them don't even have anything to do with the song, though I'll admit some are good like Serj Tankian's Empty Wall's.

I don't have anything against AMV's or people who make/watch AMV's. People have different likes and dislikes.
 
11-19-09, 4:13 PM

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There are some AMV's that are really great and some that just really suck.

I think this one is pretty good, and if you watched Azumanga Daioh it a lot makes sense.
 
11-19-09, 4:13 PM

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I'm not really a fan of AMV's.

The only one I really liked would be this one.


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11-19-09, 4:15 PM

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Amvs with subs drive me up the wall. And the use of angsty music.

Fantasia was the best amv ever.
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11-19-09, 4:19 PM

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ace52387 said:
Some are just good video editing skills.
I don't know how to describe this one


Hahaha neat.
 
11-19-09, 4:26 PM

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Veronin said:
I hate them too. The same shitty Linkin Park songs.


HAHA!

Most of them are pretty fucking shit..

"Durrrrp I'm a real anime fan becoz I watch AMVs"

Srsly, They really are just clips pasted together..

But the only thing close to an AMV that I will watch are OP's..which are AMV because they show clips from the show while playing music..but they are actually done well..unlike the noob fans that make shitty ones..with shitty music by gay bands like FLYLEAF or w/e..
 
11-19-09, 4:40 PM

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AMV = Aint My Videos

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11-19-09, 4:47 PM

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If you wanna see good music videos look at some of the stuff More then Toast does. Some videos actually can be considered Art. Like I've seen ones where this guy edited cowboy bebop and trigun together to make it look like Spike was hunting Vash. It was really good. Another I saw was gundams attacked Nerve in evangelion, he did it mostly in photo shop frame by frame and it came out amazing.
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11-19-09, 4:48 PM

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I think this one is pretty good, and if you watched Azumanga Daioh it a lot makes sense.


That one was actually pretty good. It's rare to find any that... fit? Actually work with the story like this does. Most are just emo songs to stupid characters fighting or something.
 
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i agree most of them are lame, but some are really effective with their use of sound and imagery. like with pretty much anything in entertainment, 95% of it will be crap, but there is still that 5% that is worth it. you just have to find them.
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11-19-09, 4:53 PM

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I hate em too!
Coz 80% of em are suck-a-....
 
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11-19-09, 4:58 PM

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Rei-Rei said:
ace52387 said:
Some are just good video editing skills.
I don't know how to describe this one


Hahaha neat.


That one's quite a classic... 'cause it's so farkin' weird. XD
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11-19-09, 5:00 PM

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If done right, AMVs can get really creative. If you take the time to actually plan it out and put it together, it can become extremely amazing. There's a reason different AMVs get different ratings. Some are just bad and some are really amazing and well put together.

So they took clips from an anime. Oh well. Doesn't make it bad and not creative. It's actually alot harder than you would think to take clips together, add effects, etc..and make it look good. Let's not forget that some go above and beyond and take it into programs such as After Effects and add a wide variety of effects that are absolutley gorgous.

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11-19-09, 5:03 PM

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AMVs are okay. Not the biggest fan, but I don't hate them. Some of them are really well made.
 
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11-19-09, 5:10 PM

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I hate them for several reasons, the people creating them think their the most creative people in the world, when all they do is link a bunch of random clips together and then add music like death metal. Yeah, your really creative. Add the fact that most of the people respond to these videos like the creators have done something truely amazing-- worthy of worship.. it just adds to my hate.


Oh yea. Let's address that part:

There's a difference between praising and giving compliments -- vs -- false praise to avoid hurting someone's feelings.

In fact, you can see this pattern in the fanfiction and fanart circles. I don't even write fanfiction or draw my own fanart, yet I'm aware of this kind of behavior. These are the kind of people who likely do their own set of "work" just to get praised. At the same time, they do not want to be criticized (you suck) or critiqued (you can do this and this better). Anyone who can't handle that has no business making anything.

If anything, withholding critique or criticism to anyone is a disservice. It prevents them from actually getting better or from having the motivation to become better. I'm not saying that it is good to "discourage". Give credit where credit is due, after all. If you critique or criticize with the intent of helping someone, that's fine.

By the way, I got criticized for my posting style around here. Well, to that...

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11-19-09, 5:12 PM

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This one is pretty good (and old).




Most of the so called AMV out there use the "favorite song + favorite animu" formula and are a huge waste of bandwidth.

 
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11-19-09, 6:17 PM

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As somewhat hinted before, there is absolutely nothing wrong with AMVs in general, and no real reason to hate all of them based on a single segment, no matter how prevalent that segment is. While it's still subjective, gross generalizations do not make an effective argument for anything. That's just being discriminatory.
In the end, AMVs are like any other media. More than likely, you will dislike far more of what's out there than you will like, so it simply becomes an issue of sifting through.

That being said, there is indeed an issue of improved technology making it easier to create and "market" AMVs, thus allowing legions of fans who would otherwise never get to square one to churn out something and distribute it. That's life, and it's not unusual. It happened with fandubs too, and I've seen the same phenomenon with low-budget films - now video store shelves are flooded with abysmal DVR releases that wouldn't rate MST3K treatment, when it used to be relatively easy to find something at least passably entertaining. That's all just one more price of progress.

In the old days, it required a great deal of knowledge, and even specialized equipment, to create an AMV - the concept and practice have existed since the VHS era. People would often spend weeks working on a single project, making sure to get things just right. The product thus became a display of skill and talent, and, of course, became competitive. And for those who dislike the "junk" on sites like youtube, you need only look in the places where these old-school creators have historically prevailed, and the degree of competitiveness found among such technical achievers remains. Conventions are a good example of this. You can also go to sites like animemusicvideos.org, which are more specialized and have several features to make finding a jem that much easier. While a minority even here, you will still almost certainly find a very large number of AMVs worth watching.

As for the flood of AMVs in youtube crowding out what you want to look for, there are several search tricks to filter them out with a significant level of success. I've never had significant problems, even when I was looking for a specific AMV. After all, I don't search for DBZ/Naruto to Linkin Park.

Just off the top of my head (and solely using youtube), I can bring out a decent-sized list of AMVs I like, though in every case, I admit I found it elsewhere and DLed a much higher quality version. Some of these directed me to artists and songs I'd never know otherwise, and a few, like the Angelic Layer and Noir ones, introduced me to a series.

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11-19-09, 6:39 PM

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Watch this and tell me you hate it!
Watch this and tell me you hate it!
Watch this and tell me you hate it!



Watch this and tell me you hate it!
Watch this and tell me you hate it!
Watch this and tell me you hate it!
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11-19-09, 6:42 PM

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I love AMV's, the good ones anyway. If you go to youtube and look at my favorites all you will find is amv's of the highest quality, and the none amv videos I favorite.
 
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11-19-09, 7:39 PM

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OP, I see where you're coming from. Terrible mediocre AMVs are a dime a dozen. There's nothing I hate more than a friend telling me "WHAT THIS IT'S SO CUTE, YOU'RE GONNA LIKE IT~" when it's a badly strung together sequence of scenes that doesn't even sync with the music. >.> Plus subtitles. Plus non-coherent.

There are however some good AMVs out there. :3 I don't wanna link them all so I'll just link my favourite.



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11-19-09, 7:41 PM

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So they took clips from an anime. Oh well. Doesn't make it bad and not creative. It's actually alot harder than you would think to take clips together, add effects, etc..and make it look good. Let's not forget that some go above and beyond and take it into programs such as After Effects and add a wide variety of effects that are absolutley gorgous.


A good example of this is Whisper Of The Beast by Scorpions ULTD. It's a AMV winner from long ago.



Which took the effects part to the next level and beyond IMO. Thought there's plenty of other examples here... I just especially love this one.
 
11-19-09, 8:50 PM

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Some AMV are good, but some are just cheap since they don't really do anything except mash a bunch of scenes together and play a song.
 
11-19-09, 10:34 PM

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Yeah, suppose i can agree with the general consensus, not all AMVs are god awful. Condemning the entire practice would probably be wrong. And that good AMVs are vastly vastly outnumbered by bad ones, which can give the wrong impression. Because of that however i probably won't go out of my way to look for the few good ones.

Rather spend my time watching real anime honestly! But stupid short little videos like that are always good for when your bored. Was a few decent ones in this thread, the ones i bothered to look at.. at least.

On a different note, surprised that majority of people who responded saw generally where i was coming from, and didn't flame and pick apart my post like that cute little fellow on page 1. As my initial post did contain alot of hatred and biased-ness. (not that i'm taking back anything i said) Must mean a good community here. (for the most part:) )
 
11-19-09, 10:36 PM

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I'm going to make one now!

Right now..and show you how bad they can be !

edit: here we go

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11-19-09, 10:49 PM

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Heh, was that in response to me? Won't accomplish anything, as i already know how depressingly atrocious they can be. Though you should make one and post it on youtube, you'll probably get positive posts no matter how bad it is :D
 
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brinan said:
Heh, was that in response to me? Won't accomplish anything, as i already know how depressingly atrocious they can be. Though you should make one and post it on youtube, you'll probably get positive posts no matter how bad it is :D


Nah not to you, just the fans out there :D
 
11-19-09, 11:33 PM

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Watch this and tell me you hate it!
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I don't like it, Empty Motion indeed. It's just a bunch of random crap edited together, very well edited mind you, but still. The song is OK I guess, nothing I'd listen to though.

rebekah, that could've been a lot crappier, it was actually kind of funny, try harder, or less, next time.

Anywho, to the OP, yeah most AMVs/MADs suck, but that's because most people suck. However there are a few people on the hunk of rock that don't suck and some of them make AMVs, so there are a few good ones. I think a an AMV being good is almost entirely dependent on the song not sucking in general and fitting, to some degree with the images.

For what it's worth here's something I think doesn't suck:


If you want really good shit though, MADs made completely from scratch are where it's at, where even the song is original:
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11-20-09, 12:13 AM

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I am kind of impartial to AMVs. If it wasn't for Princess Maker - Petite Princess Yucie I would have never of discovered fansubs and if it wasn't for Carol of the Cute Ones - Various I never would have watched Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne.

Actually before I discovered better methods of discovering good series, one of the main ways I found shows to watch was to watch (usually mediocre) mix series AMVs and see if any of the shows interested me. If I end up watching a bad AMV I can usually at least amuse myself by seeing what scenes I recognise and remember.
Although there are the extreme bottom of the barrel AMVs which I can't even do that with like the ones which just show a bunch of magical girl stock footage.
 
11-20-09, 6:13 AM

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Everyone keeps posting amv's so I'm gonna post to :)




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11-20-09, 6:39 AM

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Everyone keeps posting amv's so I'm gonna post to :)




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I hope you were using these as examples of how crappy AMVs can be, because they're perfect ones.
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11-20-09, 7:02 AM

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SquareZ said:
Everyone keeps posting amv's so I'm gonna post to :)




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First one was cheesy, but better than...

...the second one which was very truly terrible.

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If you want really good shit though, MADs made completely from scratch are where it's at, where even the song is original:


AMAZING


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11-20-09, 7:07 AM

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ShadowbladeEdge said:
SquareZ said:
Everyone keeps posting amv's so I'm gonna post to :)




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I hope you were using these as examples of how crappy AMVs can be, because they're perfect ones.


Subtitles - Present
Unrelated/Unfitting music - Present
Bonus: Spanish subtitles - Present

He's right, they're awful.
 
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ShadowbladeEdge said:
SquareZ said:
Everyone keeps posting amv's so I'm gonna post to :)




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I hope you were using these as examples of how crappy AMVs can be, because they're perfect ones.


Well the first one I kinda enjoyed and yes the second was a how not to :D
 
11-20-09, 7:21 AM

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this is one I really like
Most people might not like the music :D
 
11-20-09, 7:23 AM

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I am indifferent.
 
11-20-09, 7:24 AM

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KyuuA4 said:
For some good stuff, try some Touhou MADs.


Agree. Here's a good one I found recently



 
11-20-09, 7:27 AM

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This is my favorite kind, a song that's unrelated to the show, but tells you what it's really like. :D
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11-20-09, 7:33 AM

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I believe it's already been said that some are good, but the majority is bad.
 
11-20-09, 7:37 AM

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Hotstrawberry said:
Amvs with subs drive me up the wall. And the use of angsty music.

Fantasia was the best amv ever.

lol are you takling about that disney movie?
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11-20-09, 8:50 AM

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I do not hate them, but its true there are some shitty AMV's with creators who think they are very creative and such. In my opinion most of them are bad, but there are some I like.. its not very easy to make a good one, I actually have respect for people who put alot of time in a good AMV =)
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1a2a3a4a said:
Hotstrawberry said:

Fantasia was the best amv ever.

lol are you takling about that disney movie?


Mickey Mouse with a funny hate, dancing brooms and a castle. What's not to like?

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