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Okay, I'll try to answer this. Hopefully, all of this should be explained in this episode, but I know you are trying to translate the Japanese for yourself here. ;)

Ange summoned the stakes while she was being bullied and ordered them to kill the students. They and Maria claimed they couldn't because the anti-magic toxins of having so many humans in the room was too strong. This infuriated Ange and she came to the realization that magic wasn't real, that the stakes were just imaginary, and that they were in fact powerless. In her anger, she asked each stake in turn to follow her orders, and when they said they couldn't, she destroyed them. Basicallly, she denied their existence.

In the VN, Sakutarou asks Maria in this scene if the stakes are really dead, and Maria says, no, they are just badly wounded. What Ange had done was destroy the vessels she had made for them when she summoned them. (Similarly, though Kyrie and Rudolf both killed a stake in EP 3, they aren't gone forever -- it was their vessels which died, which Eva-B had summoned.)

I really like that you love Ange. :) She is my favorite character in the series and I felt like these were the most emotionally intense scenes in the VN.

That was interesting but why would Mammon try to kill Ange...she was not aware that Ange is her new master until Maria told her? Also why would the boat be called Hanyu? Higurashi joke?
Finally I want to know if the guns have anything special because they have this witchcraft star on them? You know the ones with Kyrie's sister at the end of the episode.

A grudge due to what happened when they parted in that classroom perhaps or maybe Ange's power was so weak she thought she was summoned by some reckless amateur who didn't know their place

Nah those guns are normal guns nothing special about them

Here is the entire Ange scene from the VN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bnghx8UdWI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9ouSTy4l-0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr2Iw372GE8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPUTf8aD19A

Really? Then why did Ange destroy those seven stakes in the classroom? I refer to this=>

That's the grudge I'm talking about. That scene takes place before Ange is even visited by Bern.

She destroyed them because they could not do what she asked of them AKA kill all those annoying girls around her

I'll confirm it for you:
(this is basically what was said during that scene) I don't think it needs to be any more direct than that.

Thank you for clearing up that . So I did hear it right ^_^

so...is the meaning of Uu~uu~ the spell of happiness for Maria? i thought that was all i understood...

Anyway, I'd say an emotional ep we dont usually see from umineko, and it seems quite well done, anime production-wise. The scenes with Ange and stakes seem to be mere detailed confirmation of what was already presumed, so development-wise it seems a tiny bit slow, but i think its necessary anyway and cant be helped~

And about how Rosa is portrayed in this ep again, it seems in a first sight to suggest Rosa is indeed "evil" to the core, but on a second thought, it seems to suggest the theory (if im not mistaken) some people mentioned in earlier threads, that due to her anger/resentment/hatred Maria learns magic from certain somebody else in order to pay back her mom, and this cetain-somebody-else should be the one who wrote on maria's diary.

And it seems quite a few people are suspecting kyrie, I personally still cant see any base for that, plus the fact how she pointed out quite a few crucial things in earlie arcs, I kind of have my doubt about that suspicion. And what her sis is doing/going to do now has nothing to do wih kyrie whatsoever, unless of course, like someone said she is actually the real "kyrie", but that has none base at all and can not be proved, so I decline to think about that possibility~

Me I am still into the Rosa culprit theory (from the very beginning), the only thing i see that ever clearly denies this, is the red truth in arc3, where 15 people are declared dead in red + 3 people declared innocent, so that means theres a "go-around" there in any case~

;__;


This scene was really intense. Poor Ange, she's been through so much. I found it even more upsetting than the Sakutarou "death" scene, although that was really sad too. Rosa has some serious anger management issues.

Is it even a spell?

People should see the VN part, it has more info about that, I for one am glad to have seen it, it shows how Mammon reacted to Ange at first. Those classmates really hurt me by treating Ange like some garbage to abuse and kick around. T_T

She is evil to Maria with some split personality noteDhero already made a mental analysis of her and she is certainly not stable at all. Sakutaro killing was the best proof, look how much Maria suffered, her face was something of despair/sadness at a extreme level.Here is my point:

Me too friend me too...so hard to see Ange like this! She never deserved this, always tried her best, so unfair.

If I got it right and Maria only got used to that uu because her mother praised her, I will kill Rosa.

Really, I was supporting her in the first episode because Maria pissed my balls off, but the last few episodes showed very well how much of a bitch Rosa is. I just wanted to punch her face sometimes.

In episode 18 I thought Ange was cool, but I don't like her at all. She's weak, she believes in magic, and so on.

Since I loved Ooishi, I somehow was very happy to hear his voice again. <3


Whatever... 3/5. But only cause they used Ooishi's seiyuu.

I would love to give you a hand after seeing how Maria suffered and Rosa destroying something she gave Maria as a birthday present.


So it's only his Seiyuu and not Ooishi when he was younger? I though I heard him say in Higurashi that he did police work when he was younger.

Rosa's "split personality" was shown as early as ep1 or 2 in arc1. and if anyone didnt pay attention and missed that, i think it was already evident enough by the time of arc 2. So we certainly dont need noteDhero's "mental analysis" to understand that~
No, that wasnt my problem. My problem is that Rosa has been depicted as such an "evil" character lately that I started to doubt myself suspecting her. Rosa is in fact more or less common, a young single woman who raises a child alone while going out with her (different?) boyfriend. Of course the child is easily neglected and of course she can get some temper from time to time, but that is in no way as "evil" as she is being depicted right now, and I doubt that is enough to kill 17 people in cold blood~

For me , there was only one of these 6 people from the beginning who could have been the real culprit: Rosa, Eva, Natsuhi and Kyrie; and Kanon, Shanon

With Eva "proved" innocent in last arc; Natsuhi slowly getting out of picture; Kyrie highly doubtable, I can now see nobody else than Rosa (+Kanon, shanon), but recently, the focus on Rosa is slowly getting out of hand I think, its not only hint anymore but direct suggestion already, which is why I start to doubt myself.
but as long as I dont see a base to doubt anyone else, i will stick with Rosa for the time being~

And I dont really think I need extra info to understand that scene more. My problem with that was, I suspected as much in the last ep(some flashback etc), and it turns out to be exactly the same thing as I thought, which I honestly find a bit let down. But it shouldnt be left out either since now I think im able to better understand why Ange summoning the stakes back again, and it has certainly some good emotional moments~

EDIT: oh, and I think I didnt make my thoughts clear on the matter of Rosa's "split personality":
it is fairly evidently shown throughout the different arcs that Rosa changes her mood pretty fast, especailly towards maria. In fact, the majority of theories of arc2 is based on Rosa's supposed "split personalities" - that the human Beatrice in mini-skirt is actually the split personality of Rosa, but the "split personality stuff" should really not be taken for granted, cause the holes in these theories are big enough to easily throw an elephant through it ;-)

Damn, there were so many scenes cutted out. Like when Ange meets Kumasawa's son, Nanjo's grandson and the captain of the ship that takes Ushiromiya family to Rokkenjima. There were so many hint there !! The bank account !!

Ange's bully scene and Rosa rage moment aren't as brutal as the SN, but it's okay altough it dissapoint me.

Next, new siesta and demon

Speaking or Rosa's derangement here's the scene with Sakutaro in the novel as well as Beato's talk with Maria right after.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltbBfbvlQ8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnGwxhpkNs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX5aEU3eMfE

Rosa acted a LOT more deranged and shameless as you can see

Does anyone in his right mind kill 17 people because they are hindrance to him/her? As I said in ep13 thread or so, my theory is based on the very first basic assumption: every character involved in this isnt out of his mind and just kill people for fun~

"Kanon/Shanon don't think so but Rosa/Kyrie very possible still. "
Oh, kanon/shanon involved in the crimes is soo certain by this time it can almost be taken as fact :-)
question is only if one of them started the crimes or not?

"But it still gives more information and you have no choice but to see this or assume it because it is not in the episode but only in those VN clips."
I think the anime leaves out a lot more scenes anyway, as long as the story isnt affected, I see no need to look into the vn yet. but of course, I do very well plan to read the VN after this season ends~

"Elaborate on that one because my mind is confused on holes in these theories."

"split personality"? is this constant effect or only for a short time, if it is for a short period only, what would happen if the "real" Rosa came back to herself after murdered sombody in her another personality?(and the bottle message later?) If it is for longer period, is she sane at all when first arriving on the island? cause there certainly seems nothing wrong with her at first~ If she had no intention of killing people at first, and only changed her mind during the stay on the island, is it really possible to craft some plan that "perfect(?)" as it was done in arc 1/2/3?

Those scenes are later.

Umineko takes place after Higurashi so it couldn't really be a younger Ooishi

Deen killed Luci twice u_u