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SwordHand said: FlameseeK said: They've already done it quite a few times though. Even in scenes that weren't exactly like that, like in the Berserker fight, or in episode 8 when Rin nearly drags Shrou to the roof top. I don't see a reason to change the way things happened in the alley though, since the sexual tension would have been pretty funny. It was definitely a change for the worse, so I don't know why they thought that was a good idea. Rin's done that more than enough times already in comparison to the novel. It's perfectly understandable that they would want to turn down the risqueness in a public broadcast though. That being said, ufotable's given us more than enough ass. Not that I'm complaining. Unrelated: The way ufotable draws the eyes for the characters is so unique. They're so shiny... and then you have archer's dull little marbles. How was there any risk in being faithful to that scene? It was just a funny scene, which is not controversial at all. It's not like you see Illya naked in the novel, yet they still included that scene in the adaptation. Not that I have any problem with Illya's scene. Quite the contrary, actually. But if we're talking about controversial stuff, that scene would blow any faithful alley scene out of the water. F/SN isn't exactly for kids either, so why not? I mean, "playing it safe" doesn't make any sense to me given what they've already done. Oh well, it's not like there's anything that can be done about it anyway. |
FlameseeK said: SwordHand said: It's perfectly understandable that they would want to turn down the risqueness in a public broadcast though. That being said, ufotable's given us more than enough ass. Not that I'm complaining. Unrelated: The way ufotable draws the eyes for the characters is so unique. They're so shiny... and then you have archer's dull little marbles. How was there any risk in being faithful to that scene? It was just a funny scene, which is not controversial at all. It's not like you see Illya naked in the novel, yet they still included that scene in the adaptation. Not that I have any problem with Illya's scene. Quite the contrary, actually. But if we're talking about controversial stuff, that scene would blow any faithful alley scene out of the water. F/SN isn't exactly for kids either, so why not? I mean, "playing it safe" doesn't make any sense to me given what they've already done. Oh well, it's not like there's anything that can be done about it anyway. Perhaps the director prefers getting tits to the back rather than tits to the chest. |
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FlameseeK said: SwordHand said: It's perfectly understandable that they would want to turn down the risqueness in a public broadcast though. That being said, ufotable's given us more than enough ass. Not that I'm complaining. Unrelated: The way ufotable draws the eyes for the characters is so unique. They're so shiny... and then you have archer's dull little marbles. How was there any risk in being faithful to that scene? It was just a funny scene, which is not controversial at all. It's not like you see Illya naked in the novel, yet they still included that scene in the adaptation. Not that I have any problem with Illya's scene. Quite the contrary, actually. But if we're talking about controversial stuff, that scene would blow any faithful alley scene out of the water. F/SN isn't exactly for kids either, so why not? I mean, "playing it safe" doesn't make any sense to me given what they've already done. Oh well, it's not like there's anything that can be done about it anyway. I have no real idea, but I guess the only thing I could come up with is because the position in the VN doesn't look like they could actually hide while blond foreigner walked by. Given the narrow space, they'd be easily seen if he has any peripheral vision. In the anime, they are much more hidden from view. That having been said, I don't think anyone would have cared, really. And they still could have had her pressing against him face-to-face even with the dimensions of the alley in the anime scene, so it beats me. |
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ZeroDragon said: FlameseeK said: How was there any risk in being faithful to that scene? It was just a funny scene, which is not controversial at all. It's not like you see Illya naked in the novel, yet they still included that scene in the adaptation. Not that I have any problem with Illya's scene. Quite the contrary, actually. But if we're talking about controversial stuff, that scene would blow any faithful alley scene out of the water. F/SN isn't exactly for kids either, so why not? I mean, "playing it safe" doesn't make any sense to me given what they've already done. Oh well, it's not like there's anything that can be done about it anyway. Perhaps the director prefers getting tits to the back rather than tits to the chest. S&M? Things are starting to make sense... |
| While we're on the topic of the intricacies of fanservice, might I remind you that the shot of Rin pressing up against Shirou's back combined with the dialogue made it seem like she was violating him? (To be fair she's going to continue to violate him throughout the route.) Facing each other puts them both at a neutral disposition, which doesn't mesh with her attitude towards Shirou up until this point. In the end, there is really no logic in fanservice. If it's there, I'll like it. |
SwordHandDec 6, 2014 11:07 PM
| I was always kind of "eh" about that Alley way scene anyway so it's whatever to me that they changed it. It's....interesting how much Rin mandhandles Shirou in this adaptation, though. Not really a bad thing, mind you. Just....interesting. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Not that it matters much, but I think the word funny describes the alley scene much better than fan service. That scene is meant to be funny in the novel, but it's no eye candy... well, unless you use your imagination, of course. |
FlameseeK said: Not that it matters much, but I think the word funny describes the alley scene much better than fan service. That scene is meant to be funny in the novel, but it's no eye candy... well, unless you use your imagination, of course. Oh shit, I just realized that my definition of fan service is different haha. When I say fan service, I mean literally doing the fans a service. That's why I referred to the UBW adaptation awhile ago as a fanservice for it's pre-existing fanbase. The thing about certain awkward scenes like this is that they're often completely preventable if the characters had any sense of personal space. |
SwordHand said: FlameseeK said: Not that it matters much, but I think the word funny describes the alley scene much better than fan service. That scene is meant to be funny in the novel, but it's no eye candy... well, unless you use your imagination, of course. Oh shit, I just realized that my definition of fan service is different haha. When I say fan service, I mean literally doing the fans a service. That's why I referred to the UBW adaptation awhile ago as a fanservice for it's pre-existing fanbase. The thing about certain awkward scenes like this is that they're often completely preventable if the characters had any sense of personal space. Which is the correct definition, but it carries the a sexual connotation nao. |
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SwordHand said: FlameseeK said: Not that it matters much, but I think the word funny describes the alley scene much better than fan service. That scene is meant to be funny in the novel, but it's no eye candy... well, unless you use your imagination, of course. Oh shit, I just realized that my definition of fan service is different haha. When I say fan service, I mean literally doing the fans a service. That's why I referred to the UBW adaptation as a fanservice for it's pre-existing fanbase. The thing about certain awkward scenes like this is that they're often completely preventable if the characters had any sense of personal space. Logically speaking yeah. But comedy oftentimes involves exaggeration, which is why I'd rather not call that kind of scene fan service. Maybe some people will see it that way, but honestly that's just arguing semantics. It is what it is, there's no need to worry about labels. |
| Shiro x Issei confirmed. |
FlameseeK said: But comedy oftentimes involves exaggeration, which is why I'd rather not call that kind of scene fan service. Why not? I feel served. Rin's new clothes are way too delicious. |
| Anime logic: "He's blond" "HE MUST BE A FOREIGNER" while they were stalking the house of a girl with blue hair. It cracked me up more than it should. |
Lollo36Dec 7, 2014 12:55 AM
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| Rin and Shirou were aware that there had been a foreigner that had been confronting Sakura, so it's more like they thought goldylocks was THE foreigner in question. Never make fun of a girl's hair. Maybe it's dyed. Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's Maybelline. |
SwordHand said: Rin and Shirou were aware that there had been a foreigner that had been confronting Sakura, so it's more like they thought goldylocks was THE foreigner in question. Never make fun of a girl's hair. Maybe it's dyed. Maybe it's Maybelline. Maybe she's worth it?  |
WrongPriestDec 7, 2014 3:57 AM
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WrongPriest said: SwordHand said: Rin and Shirou were aware that there had been a foreigner that had been confronting Sakura, so it's more like they thought goldylocks was THE foreigner in question. Never make fun of a girl's hair. Maybe it's dyed. Maybe it's Maybelline. Maybe she's worth it? Now I regret writing that post. (at least, I hope I've got the joke) |
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| Just noticed it's a split cour. Lame Boring episode. |
kokusho36 said: Anime logic: "He's blond" "HE MUST BE A FOREIGNER" while they were stalking the house of a girl with blue hair. It cracked me up more than it should. Its not unusual for japanese girls to dye their hair ridiculous colors. The blondie on otherhand looks 100% not japanese, just like Saber looks caucasian. |
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| Well in the mc's eyes at least. Sakura Saber(no spoiler,different Servant not in this series) is japanese but she is exactly like FSn Saber who looks caucasian.. |
FakePriest said: Well in the mc's eyes at least. Sakura Saber(no spoiler,different Servant not in this series) is japanese but she is exactly like FSn Saber who looks caucasian.. 1. Sakura Saber is also a joke character. 2. There were foreigners serving in japanese military. |
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kokusho36 said: Anime logic: "He's blond" "HE MUST BE A FOREIGNER" while they were stalking the house of a girl with blue hair. It cracked me up more than it should. blue? it looks purple to me.... |
CookingPriest said: FakePriest said: Well in the mc's eyes at least. Sakura Saber(no spoiler,different Servant not in this series) is japanese but she is exactly like FSn Saber who looks caucasian.. 1. Sakura Saber is also a joke character. 2. There were foreigners serving in japanese military. 1.We could call FHA MS Rin a joke char as well. 2.Pretty sure that Okita Souji wasnt a foreigner. |
| None of them really look 'caucasian' or 'asian' to me, tbh I mean, Sakura got purple hair and matching eyes; Tohsaka's eyes are blue; Shirou's a ginger (and probably not the type of dude who'd dye his hair 4fun); Illya looks like an albinos with uncertain origins (but I guess she gets a free pass because she ain't just your average girl) etc. (Takeuchi's sameface syndrome doesn't really help with that either) The only way I can rationalize Shirou's remark about the mystery blondie is that his eye/hair color combination is so jarring he barely even looks like a mere human. |
SapewlothDec 7, 2014 5:01 AM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
FakePriest said: CookingPriest said: 1. Sakura Saber is also a joke character. 2. There were foreigners serving in japanese military. 1.We could call FHA MS Rin a joke char as well. 2.Pretty sure that Okita Souji wasnt a foreigner. 1. What I mean is that most of stuff in FHA has very consistent plot reasons to happen. Sakura Saber was literally written as a joke character, ala Mecha Hisui and Neko Arc. IF they made an actual story for her I am sure there would be an explanation for that. 2. In our world? Yes. Does not mean anything in Nasuverse which loves twisting backstories of characters. GangstaPriest said: None of them really look 'caucasian' or 'asian' to me, tbh I mean, Sakura got purple hair and matching eyes; Tohsaka's eyes are blue; Shirou's a ginger (and probably not the type of dude who'd dye his hair 4fun); Illya looks like an albinos with uncertain origins (but I guess she gets a free pass because she ain't just your average girl) etc. (Takeuchi's sameface syndrome doesn't really help with that either) The only way I can rationalize Shirou's remark about Gil is that his eye/hair color combination is so jarring he barely even looks like a mere human. Mind you that's what we gather from Art. IF the characters say someone looks foreign, they most likely do, art simply does not reflect that. |
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CookingPriest said: So what the hell were we talking about all this time if it wasn't how the art doesn't reflect the characters' ethnicities at all, thus making Shirou's comment about Mystery Blondie funny?Mind you that's what we gather from Art. IF the characters say someone looks foreign, they most likely do, art simply does not reflect that. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
GangstaPriest said: Because in anime what the characters say doesn't matter since you see it yourself. And clearly the only reason they thought he was foreign was his hair color.CookingPriest said: So what the hell were we talking about all this time if it wasn't how the art doesn't reflect the characters' ethnicities at all, thus making Shirou's comment about Mystery Blondie funny?Mind you that's what we gather from Art. IF the characters say someone looks foreign, they most likely do, art simply does not reflect that. |
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| After a huge disaster happened to the school, the school still opened? Weird. Maybe the headmaster is somehow related/knows about the Holy Grail War & kept the school opened was one of his strategy? And why did Shirou need to strip Issei down? Wouldn't be enough just to see his hands? |
| I like anime. |
BotatoPriest said: Because in anime what the characters say doesn't matter since you see it yourself. And clearly the only reason they thought he was foreign was his hair color. But how the characters didn't look a particular nationaly or another was exactly what we were talking about? |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
GangstaPriest said: BotatoPriest said: Because in anime what the characters say doesn't matter since you see it yourself. And clearly the only reason they thought he was foreign was his hair color. But how the characters didn't look a particular nationaly or another was exactly what we were talking about? I am pretty sure botato is being sarcastic Narrative information takes precedent over visual information. In this case neither Saber nor Gil would have defining facial features to make us realize, but that is taken care through character statements. If we combine visual information with narrative information what do we get? - Blond male(visual information) that looks foreigner-ish(narrative information). We can't separate them or use one to justify the other. The Blondie is not blond because he is a foreigner. He is blond AND foreigner, both traits complementing each other. |
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| Shiro is so gay. He won't allow Saber to sleep with him and he doesn't notice that rin and sakura wants his dick but he has no problem in taking off another guys clothes. |
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| so school bully is back, o well at least we might see him die soon thats all i feel to say bout this ep |
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| Lel, good episode. Tsundere Rin is still tsundere. :3 |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: Thank the Church/Kirei for that.After a huge disaster happened to the school, the school still opened? Weird. Maybe the headmaster is somehow related/knows about the Holy Grail War & kept the school opened was one of his strategy? And why did Shirou need to strip Issei down? Wouldn't be enough just to see his hands? The Command Seals DONT have to be on the hands. |
| I thought all japanese characters in anime had black hair, with the different colors being the shades of black, underlining the only difference in japanese hair IRL. Is Shirou supposed to be a real redhead, not a black haired japanese boy with ginger hue ? |
| I'm a big softie. |
| ^I never really thought too hard about it, it would be hard to identify certain characters if they all just had different shades XD |
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| I am pretty sure Shrou's hair color is m ore of a lighter brown. So yes natural. |
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FakePriest said: The Command Seals DONT have to be on the hands. I see. I did not know that. Maybe I missed the explanation about it. |
| I like anime. |
Pat_To_Do-List said: There is none in this route.FakePriest said: The Command Seals DONT have to be on the hands. I see. I did not know that. Maybe I missed the explanation about it. In Fate route you see Ilya's Command Seals. [spoiler]  |
CookingPriest said: Yeah, I perfectly saw that.I am pretty sure botato is being sarcastic But stuff like you mentioning Saber looks caucasian or Fake's exemple of Saber Sakura being japanese and yet looking just like Saber were clearly not about narrative information. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Saber Sakura sounds like something out of 3rei..... |
y123y said: CookingPriest said: I am pretty sure botato is being sarcastic Narrative information takes precedent over visual information. In this case neither Saber nor Gil would have defining facial features to make us realize, but that is taken care through character statements. If we combine visual information with narrative information what do we get? - Blond male(visual information) that looks foreigner-ish(narrative information). We can't separate them or use one to justify the other. The Blondie is not blond because he is a foreigner. He is blond AND foreigner, both traits complementing each other. Shirou is a red-head.... yet not a foreigner Shirou is an orphan, he could be a foreigner for all we know lol |
| Yawn, I'm gonna stop this series right here and rewatch fate/zero since its been a long time. I wanna see if it can make me continue this show. Also to see that was Saber this bland in fate/zero. Saber talks like a damn receptionist, I can't stand her talking, my eyebrows furrowed everytime she opens her god damn mouth. The script feels like its ripped out the visual novel without any cuts, ugh edit the unnecsessary stuff out, these boring characters need to talk less. In addition of the constant boring face shot jumpcuts or still conversation shots, characters barely moving and background characters not moving a budge, it feels like I'm watching a visual novel. The animation is still pretty, just wish they do more camera work and character animation. I'm just as exhausted as I was watching fate/zero S1. Maybe I need to be a fan of fate to like these characters, some I find obnoxious or sleep-inducing. I only like archer and Rin (sometimes). Well Shirou's improving. It's a pain watching this show, I don't think it will get better as it goes on no matter what shocking plot twist that's going to happen, so meh at least its better than the deen adaptation. ;( disappointed, wanted to like this. It did has its momments but too much inconveineince in the way |
kyonJIEDec 7, 2014 8:14 AM
| My life is boring cause I'm boring If you're not at school what can you do, you stare at a screen of bright pixels |
kyonJIE said: Yawn, I'm gonna stop this series right here and rewatch fate/zero since its been a long time. I wanna see if it can make me continue this show. Also to see that was Saber this bland in fate/zero. Saber talks like a damn receptionist, I can't stand her talking, my eyebrows furrowed everytime she opens her god damn mouth. The script feels like its ripped out the visual novel without any cuts, ugh edit the unnecsessary stuff out, these boring characters need to talk less. In addition of the constant boring face shot jumpcuts or still conversation shots, characters barely moving and background characters not moving a budge, it feels like I'm watching a visual novel. The animation is still pretty, just wish they do more camera work and character animation. I'm just as exhausted as I was watching fate/zero S1. Maybe I need to be a fan of fate to like these characters, some I find obnoxious or sleep-inducing. I only like archer and Rin (sometimes). Well Shirou's improving. It's a pain watching this show, I don't think it will get better as it goes on no matter what shocking plot twist that's going to happen, so meh at least its better than the deen adaptation. ;( disappointed, wanted to like this. The first 9 episodes of F/Z are no better than the first 9 episodes of this show, but keep comparing a finished show to one 9 episodes in please. Episode 9 of F/Z is almost all talking, there is A LOT of talking in every episode except 1 or 2 in F/Z 9 episodes in. F-Z events 2-9 So you will go through S1 F/Z which you didn't like but give up on this show in 9 episodes when it does the same things as F/Z. Logical |
nocorrasDec 7, 2014 8:22 AM
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kyonJIE said: Yawn, I'm gonna stop this series right here and rewatch fate/zero since its been a long time. I wanna see if it can make me continue this show. Also to see that was Saber this bland in fate/zero. Saber talks like a damn receptionist, I can't stand her talking, my eyebrows furrowed everytime she opens her god damn mouth. The script feels like its ripped out the visual novel without any cuts, ugh edit the unnecsessary stuff out, these boring characters need to talk less. In addition of the constant boring face shot jumpcuts or still conversation shots, characters barely moving and background characters not moving a budge, it feels like I'm watching a visual novel. The animation is still pretty, just wish they do more camera work and character animation. I'm just as exhausted as I was watching fate/zero S1. Maybe I need to be a fan of fate to like these characters, some I find obnoxious or sleep-inducing. I only like archer and Rin (sometimes). Well Shirou's improving. It's a pain watching this show, I don't think it will get better as it goes on no matter what shocking plot twist that's going to happen, so meh at least its better than the deen adaptation. ;( disappointed, wanted to like this. It did has its momments but too much inconveineince in the way So you like FZ because it has the same "flaws" as FSN? |
| I honestly find it really funny when people seem to imply that Fate Zero was an anime exclusively about action. It was not, in fact FSN UBW had at this point just as much action if not more than the first 9 episodes of Fate Zero. |
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| Here we go again -_- |
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| Well, at least he has an open mind and is at least trying to enjoy this series, compared to others anyway, I think. Most people would just say "ugh shirou exact same stupid idiot ginger from old show" and be done with that. If nothing else, do note that VN readers consider this part of the story the slowest part. Like Fate/Zero though, it'll seriously get heated up by second cour. |
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
BotatoPriest said: At this point I'd still prefer we kept talking about the characters' hair colors.Here we go again -_- At least it's a change from the endless F/SN v. F/0 debate. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| People can compare F/Z and FSN all they want as long as they compare it to the amount of air time FSN has had and I'll have no problem with it. |
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