Naruhina was canon from the start

tsudecimo said:
Yeah I know.
old post:

tsudecimo said:
Saying the popularity of a character affected their screen time is still really baseless.

Deidara was a popular character, I didn't see him get more screen time than he should.

Iruka is ridiculously popular considering his screen time, but yet he doesn't seem to have more screen time. More popular than Orochimaru. Screen time depends on relevance, and the plot, not outside popularity.

Isterio said:

I think it boils down too should i write a chapter where I show x character or y show off some skills.
I can imagine that he didn´t bother with Shino too much because he didn´t know what techniques to come up with for him same with Tenten.

tsudecimo said:

More likely because they weren't relevant to anything outside of Konoha 11, and the chunnin exam.

tsudecimo said:
Hmm. I'm actually glad Shino didn't get more screen time, I did not like the concept of his character or found him interesting, he is kinda funny.

I don't think Temari and Kakuro are in the same spot, especially Temari. She had decent amount of screen time, and role in the Chunnin exam was good.

I generally liked that, the story expanded beyond the leaf village.

tsudecimo said:

I don't like reading couples/pairing threads after the ending because of comments like these:





And I also cringe hard, when some of them, treat the quality of the ending depending on the final couples, as if Naruto was a romance manga or something.

tsudecimo said:
Sure, because her character development was just about Sasuke, and nothing else.

> Some people said he is a shit writer

Is that supposed to mean anything at all?

tsudecimo said:
Oh, I remember you. You are that Sasuke plot hole guy, ehh. Who ignored my well backed up posts, and counter it, with literally one line, his initial statement.

I don't really care for you shtick. I know you won't bother posting more than a couple of lines at best. So w/e, think what you want to think, keep using fallacies for all I care, seems fitting for your inability to argue and articulate, but try and spare the world of your toxicity (going out of your way, to insult the author directly, instead of talking about the series's quality like a normal person would, sigh)

tsudecimo said:
Oh, I remember you. You are that Sasuke plot hole guy, ehh. Who ignored my well backed up posts, and counter it, with literally one line, his initial statement.

I don't really care for you shtick. I know you won't bother posting more than a couple of lines at best. So w/e, think what you want to think, keep using fallacies for all I care, seems fitting for your inability to argue and articulate, but try and spare the world of your toxicity (going out of your way, to insult the author directly, instead of talking about the series's quality like a normal person would, sigh)

Isterio said:



Don´t bother he´s the one guy that spams evry Naruto thread with hate comments for no reason cause some guy told him so.
Also HxH fanboy.

Drunk_Samurai said:


You didn't counter shit. You never responded back to my response on that. "I'm going to just not respond back cause I'm automatically right hurr durr". I also used absolutely no fallacies to. Also a normal person would say Kishimoto is a shit writer since many people actually bash the series because of Kishimoto's writing.

tsudecimo said:

Sigh I'm going to regret this, I hope the toxicity doesn't rub on me.

I did counter and respond. The mods deleted it, because it was in a one piece thread. I showed hard evidence, that it was Deidara who thought Sasuke was out of Chakra, not Sasuke. But you ignored all of that, and how Sasuke escaped using the summoning and reverse summoning and went ''hurr durr, if Deidara said it, then that makes it truth'' even though Deidara was merely speculating, and had no way, to know for sure, as he doesn't have any jutsu or sensing ability to know how much chakra Sasuke has. Bigivelfhq was there, he at first thought it was a plot hole, but after my counter argument, he agreed that it wasn't, IntroverTurtle, also pointed out, that saying it's true because of Deidara was bullshit.

No, a normal non-toxic pereson, would say the manga/anime is shit, they wouldn't go out of their away to insult the author by name.

Man, I really want to know, what makes people like you, so toxic, just why. Posting one liners, and bullshit left and right, and implying their opinion is right, without backing it up, ever. And that doesn't go just for Naruto, literally every 'argument' I've seen you in, you never post something beyond a few lines, and just post ''it's right because I said so'' , ''shit writing'' ''x is bad because it's bad''. No good articulation, no critical thinking, no backing up, no evidence, nothing.

How insufferable.

tsudecimo said:
Proving my point with posting two lines, hehehe.

A/ Sasuke surviving is factually not an plot hole. Because it didn't contradict anything established prior to it, and it wasn't impossible.

B/ It does fucking matter. How the fuck can Deidara know for sure, if Sasuke has enough chakra or not? he was speculating and assuming he has no chakra. He is not an omniscient character. Only Sasuke can state the truth about his chakra.

Exhaustion =/= lacking chakra. Severe lack of chakra can cause fatigue, but at the same time, exhaustion can be caused from physical stress, which was due to the fight with Deidara, and using the curse mark. Deidara himself was exhausted, but had enough chakara to do his last jutsu, so was Sasuke.

Unless you give prove and evidence that Sasuke didn't have enough chakra to summon manda, then you are very obviously wrong. Repeating your statement over and over doesn't make it right. Good god, it's like you are completely devoid of critical thinking, and argumentative skills.

C/ Naruto doesn't have any major plot hole. It only has two minor ones, that most people didn't even notice, from what I can tell.

inb4 he literally repeats his same wrong statement

tsudecimo said:
Proving my point with posting two lines, hehehe.

A/ Sasuke surviving is factually not an plot hole. Because it didn't contradict anything established prior to it, and it wasn't impossible.

B/ It does fucking matter. How the fuck can Deidara know for sure, if Sasuke has enough chakra or not? he was speculating and assuming he has no chakra. He is not an omniscient character. Only Sasuke can state the truth about his chakra.

Exhaustion =/= lacking chakra. Severe lack of chakra can cause fatigue, but at the same time, exhaustion can be caused from physical stress, which was due to the fight with Deidara, and using the curse mark. Deidara himself was exhausted, but had enough chakara to do his last jutsu, so was Sasuke.

Unless you give prove and evidence that Sasuke didn't have enough chakra to summon manda, then you are very obviously wrong. Repeating your statement over and over doesn't make it right. Good god, it's like you are completely devoid of critical thinking, and argumentative skills.

C/ Naruto doesn't have any major plot hole. It only has two minor ones, that most people didn't even notice, from what I can tell.

inb4 he literally repeats his same wrong statement

Drunk_Samurai said:


Sasuke used a ton of different kinds of jutsu that used a shitload of chakra. Boss summons themselves were stated to use an immense amount of chakra to summon which Sasuke would not have had at that point. Which was also evidenced by his exhaustion. Also you obviously don't know what a plot hole is. The reason it is a plot hole is because many of the events that happened after that fight would not have happened since Sasuke should have been dead. Itachi for example would have still been alive since he wouldn't have killed himself since the fight against Sasuke never happened.

tsudecimo said:
So what? Deidara last justu used up all his remaining chakra, the same happened to Sasuke. Already went over the exhaustion thing, but you naturally ignored it. You can't know how much chakra he has left, and if it's enough for a summon.

tsudecimo said:
A/ Sasuke surviving is factually not an plot hole. Because it didn't contradict anything established prior to it, and it wasn't impossible.

tsudecimo said:
B/ It does fucking matter. How the fuck can Deidara know for sure, if Sasuke has enough chakra or not? he was speculating and assuming he has no chakra. He is not an omniscient character. Only Sasuke can state the truth about his chakra.

tsudecimo said:
Exhaustion =/= lacking chakra. Severe lack of chakra can cause fatigue, but at the same time, exhaustion can be caused from physical stress, which was due to the fight with Deidara, and using the curse mark. Deidara himself was exhausted, but had enough chakara to do his last jutsu, so was Sasuke.

tsudecimo said:
Unless you give prove and evidence that Sasuke didn't have enough chakra to summon manda, then you are very obviously wrong. Repeating your statement over and over doesn't make it right. Good god, it's like you are completely devoid of critical thinking, and argumentative skills.

tsudecimo said:
C/ Naruto doesn't have any major plot hole. It only has two minor ones, that most people didn't even notice, from what I can tell.

Silverstorm said:
If it happened to Sasuke, he would be dead. So the point remains he lived "miraculously". Also, you can know how much chakra someone has used; its seen a few times in the manga and happens to be in the deidara vs saskue fight.

Silverstorm said:

Chapter 90 explains it exhaustion is equal = lacking chakra.

tsudecimo said:
C/ Naruto doesn't have any major plot hole. It only has two minor ones, that most people didn't even notice, from what I can tell.

Silverstorm said:

This series have plenty of plot holes. I'll use this fight. Deidara's clay clone tricking Sasuke contradicts what the Sharingan can do.

Silverstorm said:
If it happened to Sasuke, he would be dead. So the point remains he lived "miraculously". Also, you can know how much chakra someone has used; its seen a few times in the manga and happens to be in the deidara vs saskue fight

Chapter 90 explains it exhaustion is equal = lacking chakra. http://www.mangapanda.com/93-95-4/naruto/chapter-90.html

http://www.mangapanda.com/93-368-5/naruto/chapter-363.html :The fact Karin can't sense his chakra and this judging by someone's exhaustion, you can gauge where their chakra is at.

This series have plenty of plot holes. I'll use this fight. Deidara's clay clone tricking Sasuke contradicts what the Sharingan can do.

tsudecimo said:

He didn't survive miraculously, he summoned Manda at the nick of time.

Already addressed that, and only sensory type users like Karin, and the blonde guy from the hidden clouds. Deidara wasn't a sensory type user, he was speculating about Sasuke's chakara level and have been proven wrong, even before his last jutsu.

https://i.imgur.com/9vVwcm4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iAronU5.jpg

In the whole fight, chakra levels were mentioned once by Sasuke when he thought Deidara was low on Chakra. Three times by Deidara, one of them being about his own chakra level.

Ummm, read what I said more carefully, l said it does cause exhaustion but at the same time, other factors can cause exhaustion as well. Which is proven by this:
https://i.imgur.com/nlgWYuB.jpg
''Took a toll on me''

Using Chidori on himself, was Sasuke main reason for being exhausted, he did the same thing again on himself, when Deidara's snakes caught his legs, which led to him failing from fatigue, which Deidara mistakenly thought that it meant he no longer has any charkra left, making that his second wrong speculation/guess

https://i.imgur.com/yVLb9Bf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qRza4iC.jpg



Haha. That scene flew over your head apparently.

Karin can't sense Sasuke, because Sasuke is no longer there, he is in a different space all together because he reversed summoned himself and Manda to probably that Snake place Kabuto mentioned.

You can clearly see, that explosion already happened before Karin decided to sense Sasuke:
https://i.imgur.com/WoYGzR1.jpg
then she tried to sense him
https://i.imgur.com/Kvlv52m.jpg

Then Sasuke and Manda were summoned through the summoning scroll that Sugitesu possessed.
https://i.imgur.com/XqrpOm4.jpg

This was suspense 101. The whole situation with Sasuke surviving at the last possible second was for suspense, and to led the readers to think Sasuke died for real.

And another proof, that Sasuke wasn't completely drained out of Chakara:
https://i.imgur.com/wuTCVuz.jpg

He was still able to have the Sharingan activated, even after what he went through.

He also referenced Manda as being another possible trick here:
https://i.imgur.com/kYwkYWq.jpg

Which fits very well, with the fact, that Sugitesu already had a Snake scroll reading and said ''he really did it''. Which means Manda was an option from the get go.

Ergo this was neither a plot hole, nor an asspull.

:)


Please list them then, preferably not from the Kagyua arc, because I don't like discussing that in general.

Nope, incorrect. The Sharingan can see the chakra flow, it can not tell clones apart from the original, neither can the Byuakgan even though it's even better at seeing chakra, that's because the clones have identical chakra and the same amount of chakra placed on them as the original (i.e Neji vs Naruto fight). The only way for a sharingan user to know the original, is by observing body movements and noticing patterns differinating from the original, which what happened at Naruto vs Sasuke but I could be wrong, since I don't remember well.

'' The first of the Sharingan's powers is being able to see chakra flow. The Sharingan itself gives colour to chakra, allowing the wielder to differentiate them.[5] They are also able to tell if a person is under a genjutsu because the person's chakra flow would be irregular. Sharingan can see chakra through solid surfaces such as cave pillars.[6] The Sharingan's second-most prominent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to easily recognise genjutsu and different forms of chakra, however it can't see chakra as well as Byakugan.This also allows the user to pick up on subtle detail''

https://i.imgur.com/bIOZqAW.jpg
Which doesn't make it able to tell clones.

tsudecimo said:
I thought using direct manga proof is better, also wanted to add things you didn't mention (i.e Sasuke being exhausted from using the chidori on himself).

And he quoted me, so I felt like giving a proper and conclusive response.

tsudecimo said:
I thought using direct manga proof is better, also wanted to add things you didn't mention (i.e Sasuke being exhausted from using the chidori on himself).

And he quoted me, so I felt like giving a proper and conclusive response.

Isterio said:
This argument is essentially pulled out of your ass.
How can you tell "as a reader" if a fictional character is out of chakra if the mangaka doesn´t tell you?

Isterio said:
The characters are not living beings (you cant apply reallife rules to a fictional system like chakra)at least not beyond the rules that the readers were given to work with.

Isterio said:
But any normal human being is exhausted after running a marathon, yet it isn´t even threatening to the persons health , heck the opposite is the case.

Isterio said:
Except it was elaborated that reallife rules apply. e.g a character dies when being stabbed/ or hit by a gunshot.

Isterio said:
But there was never a rule applied that confirms the "complete" exhaustion of Chakra besides death.

Isterio said:
"Chakra exhaustion" is a pretty vague term in the first place because the characters who suffer from it are the only ones givin us any information. Other examples would be Sakura/Naruto in part one, or Sakuras fight vs Sasori.

Isterio said:
"Sasuke doesn´t die and never stating himself, like every character of this show does, that he´s low on chakra, this contradicts your whole claim. Kakashi for example claimed that he was low on Chakra before he died." "Sakura: I´m nearly out of Chakra, Naruto during his training with Jiraya: I´m nearly out of Chakra, I´ve got to rest. " This alone is proof enough that he wasn´t exhausted in terms of chakra alone but more physically. It was a draining task to perform all that taijutsu in combination with Chidori on himself and so on."

Isterio said:
I remember the Shikamaru vs Hidan fight for example. Shikamaru states multiple times that he´s nearly out of Chakra while forming his Kagemane jutsu, yet he is in no life threatening situation after the fight and barely in the Hospital." So regarding that logic it´s safe to say that those characters always speak of "low on chakra" whenever they are near the brink of a life/health threatening level of chakra usage.

Isterio said:
"I´d like to use Star Ocean (The game) as an example if you went out of mana in this game your character died.

Isterio said:
What can the Sharingan actually do? Distinguish people by the colors of their Chakra, we know so much, but a clone has identical chakra with the user. Also it was shown that even the Byakugan can be tricked through the usage of a clone.

Isterio said:
Sharingan users were immune to my knowledge to the Haze Clone Technique which was soon after explained as some form of Genjutsu. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Haze_Clone_Technique

There was a multitude of events where the Sharingan was explained to be superior when it comes to the usage and the ability to distinguish between Genjutsu and reality. So no plothole here either, just poor reading comprehension. Like every other plothole claim I´ve read so far. The main issue with plothole claims is that whenever people dig deeper and reread they realize the fine differences that nulifie them.

Isterio said:
Come back when you´ve got some valid claims, those right here are half assed info you confused with each other. And keep in mind lemons and oranges are not the same thing although they are both fruit grow on trees and have alot of vitamine c.

Silverstorm said:
If it happened to Sasuke, he would be dead. So the point remains he lived "miraculously".

tsudecimo said:
He didn't survive miraculously, he summoned Manda at the nick of time.

tsudecimo said:
Already addressed that, and only sensory type users like Karin, and the blonde guy from the hidden clouds. Deidara wasn't a sensory type user, he was speculating about Sasuke's chakara level and have been proven wrong, even before his last jutsu. In the whole fight, chakra levels were mentioned once by Sasuke when he thought Deidara was low on Chakra.

tsudecimo said:
Ummm, read what I said more carefully, l said it does cause exhaustion but at the same time, other factors can cause exhaustion as well. Which is proven by this:
''Took a toll on me''
Using Chidori on himself, was Sasuke main reason for being exhausted, he did the same thing again on himself, when Deidara's snakes caught his legs, which led to him failing from fatigue, which Deidara mistakenly thought that it meant he no longer has any charkra left, making that his second wrong speculation/guess

Silverstorm said:
this judging by someone's exhaustion, you can gauge where their chakra is at.

tsudecimo said:
Haha. That scene flew over your head apparently.
Karin can't sense Sasuke, because Sasuke is no longer there, he is in a different space all together because he reversed summoned himself and Manda to probably that Snake place Kabuto mentioned. You can clearly see, that explosion already happened before Karin decided to sense Sasuke:

tsudecimo said:
And another proof, that Sasuke wasn't completely drained out of Chakara:https://i.imgur.com/wuTCVuz.jpg
He was still able to have the Sharingan activated, even after what he went through.

tsudecimo said:
He also referenced Manda as being another possible trick here:
https://i.imgur.com/kYwkYWq.jpg. Which fits very well, with the fact, that Sugitesu already had a Snake scroll reading and said ''he really did it''. Which means Manda was an option from the get go.

tsudecimo said:
Ergo this was neither a plot hole, nor an asspull. :)

tsudecimo said:
Please list them then, preferably not from the Kagyua arc, because I don't like discussing that in general.

tsudecimo said:
Nope, incorrect. The Sharingan can see the chakra flow, it can not tell clones apart from the original, neither can the Byuakgan even though it's even better at seeing chakra, that's because the clones have identical chakra and the same amount of chakra placed on them as the original (i.e Neji vs Naruto fight).
Which doesn't make it able to tell clones.

Silverstorm said:
Geez, after the last big quote box, I see this lol.
Sorry, I was trying to say that if what you said about Sasuke also using up the remainder of his chakra is true, he then should at the least have collapsed and not had the chakra to summon Manada. He dropped out of curse mark mode due to hurting himself or using up his chakra to stay in that form (chidori to himself took a toll on him), which it seemed he used cause he was running low on chakra.

Sasuke is not a sensory type, so he was speculating also. Both were guessing and I agreed with you.

I agreed he was speculating. The chapter was showing that stamina is needed to produce chakra.
Which is why I said this

It did fly over my head lol, sorry.

Using the Sharingan was possible since we know he deactivated because he wanted to, which means he could have kept it active. Summoning Manda though requires a different amount of chakra.

I don't doubt Manda was an option.

I was going more for the whole thing being debatable :P

You're kidding about listing them? And we would have to include the Kaguya arc if listing all of them, which I share the dislike of discussing that in general.

The byakugan was fooled because they were shadow clones and unlike some other clone techniques, evenly distribute chakra between the clones. When the byakugan tries to see which is the real one they see that all the clones have a chakra flow and the same amount of chakra.

Isterio said:

Same argument quality like drunk Samurai, it is like this because i say so be proud of yourself.

It was never explained that shadow clones are superior to for example wood clones or water clones.

It´s a high class jutsu that´s all we get explained and that the clones share information. The other part of info we get is that Taiyou Kagebunshin no Jutsu is a forbidden jutsu because if it´s high chakra cost.Lightning clones are superior in every way,the only Bunshin they were compared to were regular bunshin who were a neccecary ability to pass the graduation test.

Other clone techinques have shown the same feats and even superior ones compared to shadow clones. Also it would make the fact that Hashirama prefers woodclones unneccecary if shadow clones are superior in any form.

Alone the fact that 90% of your claims are based on vague assumptions can be used to turn down all of your claims.

Nothing you present is proven besides you perceiving it that way, nothing is clarified or explcitly disobeying the rules that we were given.

No one survives being stabbed through the heart or a giant nuke people die when they get hit by something life threatening.

Regarding the chakra system all your claims are just loose assumptions from pictures.

Silverstorm said:
You just like being wrong. Proud of what?
I give you manga chapters to backup what I say. You don't.
You say I said things that I didn't. You even quote me for this and yet you remain wrong.
And you ignore what is said directly to you.
Unless your username is tsudecimo or anything/anyone else, you have nothing to add to this but waste my time. Sit back pup and just watch as the "big dogs" show you how to things as I won't be going back and forth with you.

And shadow clones aren't superior, I would have said the wood clones are better. ;)

tsudecimo said:
I already added up all of their votes since the first poll. Sakura had bit more votes.

> Kishi purposefully reduced her screentime after the pain invasion arc in order to improve Sakuras popularity as the main heroine.

That's baseless. Along with the Kakashi thing. If you add all the votes, Naruto would be number one.

Silverstorm said:
Sorry, I was trying to say that if what you said about Sasuke also using up the remainder of his chakra is true, he then should at the least have collapsed and not had the chakra to summon Manada. He dropped out of curse mark mode due to hurting himself or using up his chakra to stay in that form (chidori to himself took a toll on him), which it seemed he used cause he was running low on chakra.

Sasuke is not a sensory type, so he was speculating also. Both were guessing and I agreed with you.

Using the Sharingan was possible since we know he deactivated because he wanted to, which means he could have kept it active. Summoning Manda though requires a different amount of chakra.

I was going more for the whole thing being debatable :P

The byakugan was fooled because they were shadow clones and unlike some other clone techniques, evenly distribute chakra between the clones. When the byakugan tries to see which is the real one they see that all the clones have a chakra flow and the same amount of chakra.

You're kidding about listing them? And we would have to include the Kaguya arc if listing all of them, which I share the dislike of discussing that in general.

db84x said:
@ Raneer
How he can made Sakura popular is SP constantly portray her as helpless pinky flat chest tsundere ?

This tumblr show how helpless Sakura in anime compare with Sakura in manga
http://ilikesakura.tumblr.com/post/110196196884/like-seriously-sakura-can-heal-herself-she

With this ugly animation adaptation which change her into pinky flat chest tsundere, how she became popular ?
http://otakuhouse.com/images/2014/01/Naruto-Shippuden-Haruno-Sakura.jpg

tsudecimo said:
My bad also. But my point was that he used his remaning chakra, not literally all of it.

It uses more chakra, but it's not like it a different chakra. If he was for example 40% left chakra before the summon, then he would use 25-30%, him still being able to have the sharingan activated, means he didn't hit rock bottom, ergo, he still had chakra left, so he wasn't running low on chakra before the summon, he had enough to do it. The sharingan would naturally disappear if he doesn't have chakra.

So do you admit it wasn't a plot hole? :o

Do you have prove, that other clones, don't function the same as Shadow clone when it comes to chakra placement and color? because that's the only way for Sasuke to know that was a clone.

Why not :P?
You have 670 chapters to work with, that don't include Kagyua arc. List them here:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1358704

Silverstorm said:
Future, like a year from now someone else may notice something that we have not.

Silverstorm said:
I'm trying to understand what you're saying in terms of chakra placement. Chakra flow from what I understand can be different than yours. Often this is what leads to misinterpretation which we are trying to get clear. Also chakra flow is different than or the same as chakra placement to you? or is chakra placement suppose to be the chakra pathway system? This is why I asked what did you mean, I can't respond unless I know what it is you said to respond to.

Silverstorm said:
Hey, don't blame me for not having the time to look-up x-amount of chapters for a manga thats 600+ chapters that did, at its last moments perform an asspull of sorts. Its not at the top of my priority list during the workweek.

You never did answer my Deidara question.

tsudecimo said:

Completely irrelevant and pointless. That sort of saying is said, when someone claims something is a plot hole, and another person, tells him, the series is not finished. This does not apply here, as every information about the manga is present, to be searched.


By chakra placement, I meant the amount of chakra. Neji and a Sharingan user/Sasuke can't differentiate between clones, because the same amount of chakra is placed equally among them, that is stated either during the Yamato training or earlier. Your initial statement is wrong, because not being able to tell a clone from the original does not contradict something the Sharingan is able to do, because as I listed it's abilities:

'' The first of the Sharingan's powers is being able to see chakra flow. The Sharingan itself gives colour to chakra, allowing the wielder to differentiate them.[5] They are also able to tell if a person is under a genjutsu because the person's chakra flow would be irregular. Sharingan can see chakra through solid surfaces such as cave pillars.[6] The Sharingan's second-most prominent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to easily recognise genjutsu and different forms of chakra, however it can't see chakra as well as Byakugan.This also allows the user to pick up on subtle detail

Which you countered with saying that Shadow clones are different than other clones, which I asked for you to prove that is true, but you did not.

To prove that Sauske should have been able to recognize Deidara, you have to provide evidence, that clay clones have different chakra flow, or different color from the original. Which you can't, because that was never implied or stated in the manga.


Lol. Why would you need to look up to find them? this implies that ou actually have to actively search for asspulls/plotholes in order to list them, which contradicts with your initial statement ''This series have plenty of plot holes'' which should have meant that their are obvious and a lot, not needing of active search just to find them.

Essentially you made a claim, that you can't back up, and now you are using ''Ain't nobody got time for that'' as an excuse to not list them.


What Deidara question?

tsudecimo said:
Completely irrelevant and pointless. That sort of saying is said, when someone claims something is a plot hole, and another person, tells him, the series is not finished. This does not apply here, as every information about the manga is present, to be searched.

tsudecimo said:
By chakra placement, I meant the amount of chakra.

Neji and a Sharingan user/Sasuke can't differentiate between clones, because the same amount of chakra is placed equally among them, that is stated either during the Yamato training or earlier. Your initial statement is wrong, because not being able to tell a clone from the original does not contradict something the Sharingan is able to do

Which you countered with saying that Shadow clones are different than other clones, which I asked for you to prove that is true, but you did not.

To prove that Sauske should have been able to recognize Deidara, you have to provide evidence, that clay clones have different chakra flow, or different color from the original. Which you can't, because that was never implied or stated in the manga.

tsudecimo said:
Essentially you made a claim, that you can't back up, and now you are using ''Ain't nobody got time for that'' as an excuse to not list them.

What Deidara question?

Silverstorm said:
What you were saying earlier, do we as the readers believe Deidara when he comments on Sasuke's chakra levels as inference or not? (As in what he is saying is true)

Silverstorm said:
How does this make sense to you. People can read the manga after it ends and notice things that those who finished it, didn't see. Just cause the manga ended doesn't mean it stopped being read.

This has been stated and I thought it was common fact, that shadow clones are different than other clones.
The basic clone technique, made of no substance. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Technique
Water clones only get 1/10 of the chakra: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-28-2/naruto/chapter-23.html
Crow clones require less chakra: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Crow_Clone_Technique (look up the data book, it says it)
Shadow Clones: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_Clone_Technique
I don't feel like hunting for individual chapters to link but those pages do link to chapters and data books.

Any "color" on that battle would be seen by Sasuke. Deidara's chakra didn't change color or lose color if he makes a clone. If Sasuke could see the mines underground and see them inside his body due to them having some color, then he can't see it once its a clone separated from the original body? The sharingan can see chakra and unless Deidara died, which is what happens when you have no chakra, he should have been able to see what was happening. The Sharingan has also been shown to be able to see x-ray like, Sasuke can see into his bloodstream but through a clay clone he can't? Don't buy it.

Silverstorm said:
What you were saying earlier, do we as the readers believe Deidara when he comments on Sasuke's chakra levels as inference or not? (As in what he is saying is true)

Silverstorm said:
I won't concede to that. It might be proven to be one in the future.

T'ch. This is a very dumb excuse, either present a counter argument or don't, instead of relining on the possibility of other people finding whatever. It's not a plot hole unless proven otherwise, in which it stands currently, it's not a plot hole or even an asspull.

None of this, helps your argument. How could Sasuke recognize a clone from the original? Sharingan can only see chakra flow, and color, that's it.

eneldiar said:

So in the end, there was never really a major shift in Naruto's feelings.
Naruto to Sakura: Friendship grew very strong / crush was killed by realization of her love towards Sasuke
Naruto to Hinata: Friendship grew very strong / found out about love and either forgot or didn't act on it until the Last movie where he found out how strong her love was.

This is the way I have perceived it, which doesn't seem like he ever really made a complete 180 at any point. With that in mind, I think Hinata was the bride of choice since the beginning.

If you've read this whole thing than I congratulate you. If I'm seem totally off you can let me know (politely) and I'll add your statement to my list of things to ponder :p