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| Incredible art, direction and animation once again. Coupled with a fantastic atmosphere and the great litterary work it is adapoted from, Aoi Bungaku is simply awesome. Or at least this arc was. Seems like the series will be composed of three 4-episodes arcs created by three different teams (among which three famous designers, the designer of the first arc being Obata), which is a good format for such an omnibus series. And seems like the last arc will be directed by Death Note's Araki, which is a good point also. |
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vinesage said: francismeunier said: vinesage said: No it is certainly not because he lost faith in his wife at that moment. It was only the huge shock at that moment that came to his mind. Only later he realized that his wife has been sleeping with his boss the whole time. He realized after seeing this a second time because he was foolish about realizing why his work was selling so well but why was he ignorant of this? Was it because he had illusions when working on the manga that made him not in reality with himself? vinesage said: Well, I cant tell if he has illusion while drawing those mangas, but I think he never really gives thoughts on that matter anyway. For him, it is naturally to assume the mangas sell well because he can draw well, which is what people told him and what he said so himself in earlier episodes. Plus how I understand it is that, even his appearance may look “mature” and he may be intelligent, but his behavior more or less resembles that a premature boy who doesn’t understand how people interact in society. Yes, his appearances are deceiving and his mentality does not reflect his own appearance. vinesage said: After proposed to the girl, he wanted to rent the whole house to live together with her, even though he had no income at all at that time. I think when the girl asked if it is really ok, he said all will be good if his mangas sell. He had, base on whichever reason, firm trust in his own manga: a sign of naivety. I think one can also say he doesn’t live in the reality just like a normal little boy doesnt. No he does not live in reality at all. I would have to say that he should have though more of taking his wifes' place in that store. “Yes, that was also in my thoughts but then why did he save her and commit a double suicide with her again but this time succeed in it? “ because it is not his wife’s fault but his own fault. vinesage said: As I understand It, it was him who “forced” his wife to sleep with another man because there is no other option left for her. His wife loves him and doesn’t want to tell him the sad truth (his mangas don’t sell). But they need the money and his boss very likely offered that option to her. Too bad about all this, it would have been better to look for other job options. Even before this option was offered to the wife. That's just a sad truth hidden. “I wonder how did she agree to this even when she was married to him? Did she have no security for his finances? He could have taken her into his father's place and live off his allowance but I think his father did not even know about his marriage to her.” vinesage said: Well, I am not so sure what the wife could have thought. How I see it is that she loves him, and it seems he loves drawing his mangas. Knowing that his mangas don’t sell, or at least not enough to rent the whole house, there are the options left for her: either to stop him from what he is, to tell him to stop drawing and get some other work, or the option to keep him as what he is and sleeps with the boss~ If she really loves him much as what he is, it shouldn’t be hard to choose for the 2nd option. Yeah the 2nd option would have been better that is sure. vinesage said: The fact his wife sleeping with another man is fatal for the protagonist to believe he has failed as human, but it is not because he thinks she cheated him or brought shame on him. no. It is more about him realizing his own failure (naive): his own failure to earn enough money, to sell his own mangas; and his incapability to understand the society, his naivety, which even neglected his own wife. He failed quite bad at that. Suicide in the end was his only option to escape that world and maybe be in the world of his monster... “That is too vinesage, if he would have came back to his father, it would not have happened like that. He was illusional perhaps?” vinesage said: That’s exactly like admitting to his own failure if he went back to his father. He wants to prove to his father he is independent and can live on his own like a human do (behavior of a adolescent teenage boy). The news that his father died is heavy hit for him plus the truth behind his selling manga, even his friend left him for the army, so it might not be hard to imagine how it would end. His father died so why not just take all his possessions and sell them to have more finances. francismeunier said: vinesage said: I will admit, making a classic literature story into an anime is just wrong. Even though the anime might not have done justice to the story, which obviously leads audience into wrong conclusion (like believing its all fault of his father), but this is obviously a story with huge critic on the whole society of that time (almost every single aspect of it) ~ It did show a good example of one persons' mistakes and consequences that he has to live with. vinesage said: Well, that’s the point I think it is trying to get: it is not described as his fault but the fault of japan’s society at that time. He is only naïve. He does what people tell him to do, or what people expect from him but that always turns out to be “wrong”, so he runs to the women who can understand him because they, as it is hinted, also suffered from the same fate as him. well, I wouldn’t interpret too much into it since it is an adaption only, but, as you say, it is indeed a good opportunity to get to know some japanese classic works. Yes, thanks again for all this and sry I did not have time to respond to this for some time. |
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| You know what francismeunier.. You don't necessarily have to reply to every single post that has one of your quotes in it (or other posts either for that matter), unless there's an apparant question, or when you have something that you really have to say about it.. For example, when you've written something, and someone happens to agree with you, you don't have to re-quote it again to confirm that someone actually did agree with you. I could go on about this for.. a while, but I'm tired, so I won't.. Anyway, for all that it matters, now I understand how you've gotten ~650 posts in less than a month xD |
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Selkaine said: This anime is fucked up! But in a good way :D Shroomie said: Maybe I interpreted the episode wrong.... I saw it as his wife being raped by his boss. Afterwards, when Yozo accused her of sleeping with him so his manga would sell, she committed suicide out of shame. I mean, it's possible that she might not speak against him to deny it. She's very obedient and quiet around him. She even asks him, "why didn't you stop him?" and when he accuses her of prostituting herself, she looks utterly shocked. This is how I saw it, so you're not alone. I remember reading somewhere that back in the day some cultures would accuse women of being cheaters when they were raped or molested (like it was the woman's fault she was violated and not the man's) and maybe that's what Yozo instantly thought when he saw her. Same, I don't think she was giving up her body to his boss, I think his boss just took advantage of her and Yozo, in his warped state of mind, imagined that she was doing it to get his manga published. |
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Oosran said: You know what francismeunier.. You don't necessarily have to reply to every single post that has one of your quotes in it (or other posts either for that matter), unless there's an apparant question, or when you have something that you really have to say about it.. For example, when you've written something, and someone happens to agree with you, you don't have to re-quote it again to confirm that someone actually did agree with you. I could go on about this for.. a while, but I'm tired, so I won't.. Anyway, for all that it matters, now I understand how you've gotten ~650 posts in less than a month xD I like having constant feedback to learn about anime. Guess I have to learn proper replying like you mention. So I guess in 10 months it's going to be 6500 posts. Maybe in 2 years 14 000? In any case the more information I get, the better I understand. |
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| "My life was shameful. Even now, I am unable to comprehend the way humans live. Especially women, they are indeed mysterious creatures." Well, he maybe didn't have a single clue about the way humans lived, but he surely did know stuff about his own way of living. "No longer Human" is based on Oba's involution as a character. Because he couldn't socialize with people he had to put on a facade so that those who surrounded him couldn't see his true self which he himself called a monster. He grew up with a deep fear of his father to whom he was only seen as a "failure as a human", was abused by some women when he was little and eventually reached the last degree of moral degradation in the 4th episode… I expected this to happen, anyway. That so called childhood of his had some key points. His father treating him like shit made Oba develop fear towards him, but at the same time it made him want to impress him in some way. Those women who abused him had an impact on him as well. It's kind of clear that because of his past, his naivety and his failures he couldn't understand society or the way humans lived. And that Horiki wasn't helpful to him in any way, as well. Saviuz said: Yozo never actually comitted a "mistake". He is just a product of society. True. This last episode was perfect. The rape scene was the final moment when he realized his own failures. Death followed it. 5 out of 5. |
SpecialKayNov 8, 2009 9:47 AM
francismeunier said: Oosran said: You know what francismeunier.. You don't necessarily have to reply to every single post that has one of your quotes in it (or other posts either for that matter), unless there's an apparant question, or when you have something that you really have to say about it.. For example, when you've written something, and someone happens to agree with you, you don't have to re-quote it again to confirm that someone actually did agree with you. I could go on about this for.. a while, but I'm tired, so I won't.. Anyway, for all that it matters, now I understand how you've gotten ~650 posts in less than a month xD I like having constant feedback to learn about anime. Guess I have to learn proper replying like you mention. So I guess in 10 months it's going to be 6500 posts. Maybe in 2 years 14 000? In any case the more information I get, the better I understand. But there's a huge downside to posting that much, people will start seeing you as a no-lifer. |
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Oosran said: Why do you care about what others think about you, especially on the internet?But there's a huge downside to posting that much, people will start seeing you as a no-lifer. And why do you even care about what and how other people post/behave (on the internet)? Mikiyo said: Lol.No wonder this book was called No Longer Human, what a pathetic excuse of human trash, he just couldn't get over his weakness and therefore he just gave up at the end, not like the story was all that appealing to me anyway, but with these kind of characters is just ridiculous. This first book sucked fucking horrible balls, I was yawning the whole 4 episodes, I hope the next plot will be somewhat more interesting than this, surely the animation is top notch, but take out the plot and you just have a mindless artwork. |
| Dammit, watched this right after waking up and now it feels like I'll be depressed for the rest of the day. Saviuz said: Am I the only one, who thinks Yozo's actions and reactions are completely comprehensible and plausible? Am I the only one, who thinks Yozo is not a failure as a human, but rather a (sad) product of that so-called "society"? I completely agree with you. In the end he was just a innocent and naive human who repeatedly got used & abused by the society around him. |
| Good episode. The time-skip didn't bother me; it was implied enough in the previous episode that his relationship with the journalist woman would end really soon, so I had no need of seeing more of that. A great series so far, best this season together with Natsu no Arashi 2. |
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| This first arc was powerfull, did we like it or not. Aoi Bungaku is not my preferred kind of anime, but I really liked it. (but right now I´m going to watch something cutiest or funniest, to not lose my sense of optimism ^^) |
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BitchMaster said: Er....Well, I guess "Your anger is only making my p**** harder" can be applied here? ~So~ At the end, his girl is her eh? Not bad of a choice, I guess, she looks sexy and all... LOL  PS: Bar woman making appearance near the end= Me happy (^_^)b you have problems.. back on topic what a depressing ass episode was really good i was quite shocked when he found out about his wife quite sad brilliant ep! moar plz :P |
| i feel so sorry for yozo his dad dies and he drowns himself in alcohol then says all he needs is his wife and then finds her sleeping with his boss this episode made me so depressed.. |
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| I thought this first arc was amazing - really dark and depressing. The plot and main character was intruiging. Art and animation was superb as well as the music. I hope the second arc will be able to keep up with this one. |
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| God damn. This anime is brilliant. I didn't read the entire thread, so I'm unsure if there was a conclusion reached about his wife. I personally believe she was raped, but either way that scene got to me. Really sad. Poor guy; seeing all of that misfortune made me pity him. I'd go insane too if I went through all that. This anime is amazing so far, looking forward to the next arc. |
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| Well that was a really sad episode. From the moment Youzou's friend entered the house and started to eye his wife I could tell something was going to happen to her. Like Youzou says, "shes naturally trusting". Youzou's personality and the way he's acted from episode 1 to now is understandable. He was sexually abused by women when he was at a young age. He's been used by his "friends" for money since he comes from a rich family. He's been used by his own care taker just for money. Women use him because of his good looks. He drinks to try and relive himself from that suffering. It's no wonder he's so detached from the real world and wants to kill himself. He's never had anyone actually love him before...well except for that women writer and her daughter but he ignored their feelings completely and jumped to the next girl that showed him the slightest form of affection. As for Youzou's latest wife being raped so he could sell managa...I think there's more to it than just that. I highly doubt she just offered herself to the editor as a way to make money. I believe one day the editor came by to see Youzou but ended up raping Youzou 's wife. Then threatened to fire Youzou if she told anyone. I think this became a regular thing where he'd come by, rape her, and then pay Youzou via his manga paycheck. Youzou's wife says "why didn't you save me". I don't think she was just referring to that instant where he saw her getting raped. I think she was referring to the very start of it all. If Youzou payed a little more attention he would have noticed the editor was targeting his wife and that something was wrong. In any case Youzou's wife cried when she was being raped and she even attempted to kill herself since Youzou no longer trusted her. I'm 90% sure she never intended to sell her body to anyone and that she really did love Youzou. She just got stuck in a situation that she had no control over. Women in that time period had really no say in anything and being raped was a sign of damaged goods. I'd be just as mad and sickened if I was Youzou and found my boss having his way with my wife. PS. was that really the bar women at the end with a kid paying a complement to Youzou? If it is, I wonder if that was his kid? He did the bar women a billion times after all. |
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| I didn't like this arc very much. The art, animation, music and other technical stuff were good, but that was expected in a project like this, that adapts classic novels. The problem I had with it is that I couldn't relate with Yozou and the arc is all about his drama. I also couldn't believe that many women would go to such lengths for him and still think of him as a poor devil. I know he went through a lot, but his biggest problem is that he had the wrong idea. He was waiting for someone to save him and was putting his hopes in other people. But people are flawed and they eventually will let you down. It happened with his "daughter" and with his last woman (even though she did it for him). He was the only one who could save himself. I've read someone bashing a certain blonde ninja, but he had it ifgured out. The black swordsman got it too. I could have realted with him if he went down fighting, but he always ran away. But then again, the point of the arc was showing Yozou in a spiral descent until he was no longer human. THe funny thing is that while he was feeling less and less human, the women around him were considering him a kind of saint, or a superior human. |
| So that's what was going on ... yeah I'd have to agree with the angry people but still this piece of work was animated really well if it can elicit this type response, hmm wonder if the next few episodes although different works will be as effective. |
| Damn, that was heavy. I believe he killed himself in the end. He went to the drug shop and asked for something that could rid of his pain. The only thing that can TRULY release a person from his/her pain is death. |
Strife91Jan 3, 2010 10:05 PM
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| She fooled me. I thought she was an honest woman, and that there would be at least a tiny bit of hope for the guy. Ah, well. On to the next episode. |
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| Well, I have to say something after watching the first arc. This anime is very stylish and inclined to an art-house, that's why I can't understand why there are so many 10 ratings. I don't mean this story is hard to understand, no, but not everyone can feel this story. To feel it deeply: 1) some of your traits must be similar to ones that Oba has at the moment when you're wathing No Longer Man 2) your soul must be pure, so you can understand and feel almost any kind of art (there aren't many people like these). I mean, this story is just about infantile person who shifts the blame on others and doesn't want to rule his life. Every such person can live its life with many dramatic events that are 'caused by some kind of person's mental illness, and that's somelike... trivially, maybe. The main advantage of No Longer Man is realistic psychology, but if you are mentally healthy person (like the artist who bacame a soldier and came to Oba in the 4th episode), then your thoughts will be similar to his thoughts: there's no place for Oba's state of mind in real life. He just wore his cloak and went making some real things in real life. Without cothurnus and useless empathy to Oba. So am I. |
MaxCrankJan 7, 2010 9:02 AM
aezakmi2494 said: This series made me realize how cruel the world really is, and it's not easy to live in this world especially in Yozo's case..., Second time iv'e watch an anime that shows some reality, Yup, Real Hardcore stuff |
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| [blindrage]How dare he taint Mamiko Noto! She was a true goddess, above all others and he had to drag her down to his own measly level! He deserved to die! I don't think my heart will be able to mend itself from seeing such cruelty being done to Mamiko Noto.[/blindrage] |
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| I liked "No Longer Human" overall, but this was probably my least favorite episode of the 4. It just felt a bit too rushed to me. I did like the exchange in the hospital between the woman & his caretaker: "That kind of trash, if I wasn't looking after him..." "Which one of you is trash? The Yo-chan that we know is..very honest, and sensitive...If he would just stop drinking...No, even so..He was as wonderful as a god." I felt like when she was asking which one of them was trash, it kinda underscored what several others before me have said about how harsh the world seems to have been to Yozo, especially in terms of how the people that have surrounded him seem to negatively impact his life. His father, the women who abused him as a child, the woman he helped commit suicide, his supposed caretaker, his so-called friend..Then there are ones who sort of unintentionally hurt him--like the little girl who basically said he didn't qualify as a "real father" and even his wife, on whom he had (quite unfairly) placed the burden of "saving him," which she was ultimately unable to do. I also found it curious that the woman ended with comparing him to a god--something that would usually be considered more than human (but still removed from humanity)... But, anyway... I really liked the art in this. I liked that it was darker and more serious in tone and that it dealt with some complex emotions and ideas. However, I'm SO glad I don't have to hear anymore of Yozo's deranged laughter. Looking forward to the next epi. |
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| WHAT THE FUCK, THIS IS A MASTERPIECE. OH MY SO THIS IS THE AUTHOR'S AUTOBIOGRAPHY. DAMN HE HAD A SAD AND DEPRESSING LIFE INDEED. I DON'T BLAME HIM FOR COMMITING SUCIDE. Okay so the biggest wtf ever was when Yozo caught his wife having sex inside their own house, what the fuck man can't they do it some place else? Sooner or later, I found out that the wife was actually having an affair with the boss just so that Yozo can get the job, even though it's against her will. WHAT THE FOK. That "friend" of Yozo became a soldier during the WW2. I bet he died during the war too. Also, in the end, he committed suicide but I wonder how did he do it? He survived from the pills but how did he die? He went to a shop of a girl that looked like the bar girl that he killed. DAMN WHAT A DEPRESSING LIFE HE HAD. |
| @viridaelnex. I totally agree. This was a really interesting arc. With the rape. yo's wife did want to get saved by him but also wanted to be the one who's saving. Something I don't understand is the reason as to why she even married in the first place. I mean the proposal was pretty retarded. Anyhow. Enjoyable arc. Looking forward to some more. |
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| Well, one of three stories has its end. The picture was great. But we didn't wait another quality from Madhouse. Remember Death Note. The manner of art looks like note's one. The story is impressive. But it's expect, becouse the tale's classical one. |
| That was good, really really good. I hope the next arcs can keep it up. I'm also enjoying the BGM very much. |
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| Storytelling at its finest. |
| About Horiki: I hoped that maybe he had manned up, and was going to fight for his country or something...but apparently, I forgot what I'm watching >.> "I will kill many people from around the world." Oh God damn it, that was messed up o.o Poor Yoshiko... And he even misunderstood her being raped for something like that...Or should I say, refused to accept the harsh reality as it was? (Because to me, it seemed like it wasn't her selling herself to the boss for her husband's payment, but really getting raped...maybe not for the first time. What made me think that was that she cried when Crazy told her all the "for you to have to do this kind of thing to get me payment" stuff. Also, she seemed really uneasy to have to go downstairs where the boss was.) |
CenedessApr 29, 2010 4:30 AM
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Cenedess said: About Horiki: I hoped that maybe he had manned up, and was going to fight for his country or something...but apparently, I forgot what I'm watching >.> "I will kill many people from around the world." I had the same reaction lol. I think this arc has made a new record for the most tragic anime I've ever seen. Guy tried to kill himself twice and failed. Life was a bitch to him. And this anime made women seem like complete slut and whores. Yeah, he had no courage or self-control. How much can one person take after all... Very deep and touching. Next arc looks a little happier. |
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| About time he died. |
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| I didn't like how that ended. Sorta confused on what happened in the last minute or so. >.> Oh, well. On to the next ep. |
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| This arc gets a 9/10 from me. Great refreshing stuff. |
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| i wish he would have gotten some help nd I wish i could understand how he was nt able 2 grasp human living. he didnt fit in, but why nt aren't we naturally able 2 fit in2 human society jus by simply being human how wouldnt u nt knw how? like i said I wish he would have gotten help or @ the very least have sum1 that was dependable. his wife was a whore she did nt have 2 sleep with that guy 4 him 2 get work. she betrayd him 2 the worst level then tried 2 kill herself...that would have helpd him alot. he told her wen he met her how pathetic he felt he was and so n nd she does something like that? horrible. as a woman i couldnt sell my body under no circumstances. jus so he can work? i would rathr b faithful and poor than a cheating whore with food on the table. this story was too sad. i wish ppl didn't have 2 suffer this way. |
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NeloDeath said: Really, how are people misunderstanding this arc so greatly? Anyone that needs what actually happened cleared up, should refer to vinesage's post. Probably because the story is told in an abstract way? Anyway, I for one believe that she was raped I mean after all, as others have said she did show some hesitation to go downstairs and she was crying when Hiroshi saw her. Really, though, we won't know because the story isn't told from her point of view. Also as others have stated, whether or not it was rape or not the fact is that seeing her in that position broke him, though I think he was already "gone" by that point anyway. No Longer Human was a great story, I'd give it alone a 10 so it hard for me to expect the other stories to be as well done as this. It was sad and heart wrenching to watch this man "fail at being human" simply because of his father and all the other terrible things that happened when he was younger. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| No Longer Human was drastically different here than in the book. It's almost unrecognizable. Nonetheless, the animated version was fantastically told. I still prefer the book though. Kind of makes me mad that they completely changed the story. |
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| Woow, Amazing episode. |
| Out of all the stories featured in Aoi Bungaku I think this one is my favorite. Not that great in my opinion, but it was good. Loved the animation. |
| Well, in the end he sort of proved himself to be unworthy as a human being as a man who is unable to adapt to society due to his own insecurities. Unfortunately there are probably many people of his kind out there. |
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| Well, I knew that his little happy life was going to hit some snag before the end. No way the story was going to end on an uplifting note. I'd really like to hear opinions on the arc from people who actually read the novel. I say this, cause the story itself seemed relatively well done, but there also seemed to be a lot of choppiness and disjointedness to it, and I want to know if that's really just how the story goes, or if its the fault of the anime creators/ medium transition. I don't know, I just feel like a lot was missing from the story and wasn't told to us (in terms of scenes not being present and dialogue/inner dialogue from scenes we did see not being present). But for 4 episodes to a whole novel, they probably did the best they could with it. 8/10 for this one. On to the next story. |
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| I'm so curious that I went to read the biography of the author, damn he tried at least 4 times to commit suicide. Anyway, this story is good, it was too dark for my taste, but the soundtrack, the animation, the pace are very well done. |
| Fascinating story, to put it lightly. Very sad, very pensive. It was especially upsetting how all his best efforts repeatedly failed him. I suppose life can be cruel like that sometimes, though. =( Sigh... I wonder how much better things could have been for him if he hadn't constantly resorted to alcohol, drugs, and prostitutes to heal his aching heart. They were all just ways for him to run from his troubles. Not to mention, they always just made things worse for him in the long run. Overall, a well-animated and well-told story. I quite liked the way the lighting made everything glow in a sort of dreary way. |
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