Aoi Bungaku Series Episode 4 Discussion
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View Poll Results: Aoi Bungaku Series Episode 4 Discussion
| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 110 | 65.48% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 32 | 19.05% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 13 | 7.74% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 10 | 5.95% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 3 | 1.79% |
Voters: 168
#41
11-04-09, 10:41 AM
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kokuro said: She was hoping that he'd interpret it as rape when she asked him why he hadn't stopped the boss but when she realized that he's aware of the truth she just cried and wanted to kill herself. Ah...I hadn't read that far into it, very helpful. If you hadn't pointed that out I wouldn't have fully understood the episode, thank you. Kind of an essential in understanding this episode actually. kokuro said: His wife was not raped and it's true that she did sexual favors for the boss because Yo had started drawing that monster again and it wouldn't sell. She was just lying there quietly and that's not rape. And I might as well quote it again because people keep bringing it up. There were actually two short lines of dialogue that explained this indirectly (bad subtitles may have caused the confusion for some). . Modified by DunkyHarwood, 11-04-09, 10:45 AM |
#42
11-04-09, 1:24 PM
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Well, crap. xD Good series to watch and all, even if I didn't understand a good portion of it. Kept me interested. Yoshiko D: A little confused if she was raped or not, but that rapist guy was out xD Half way down the street and everything. Glad Yozo just off himself because he was getting really depressing.  |
#43
11-04-09, 1:26 PM
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Vinesage explained it all, so I'll just say that I didn't like the episode. They took all of the exposition and rising action, and undercut it with this timeskip at the beginning. I couldn't begin to care about what went on in this epsiode because Youzou reeked of delusion. We got no sense of what happened to the journalist and her kid, and we saw the courtship after knowing they were married. It was just bad. I've never seen a show chop itself off at the legs so abruptly. Honestly, this arc could have been a great 11 or 12 episode show that would have really done wonderful things. Oh well. |
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11-04-09, 1:33 PM
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Oosran said: Oh and btw, just because I'm curious, what was this: I can't seem to manage putting whatever it is into something I know of O.o The end of the streetcar tracks? |
#45
11-04-09, 1:48 PM
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Plate said: Oosran said: Oh and btw, just because I'm curious, what was this: I can't seem to manage putting whatever it is into something I know of O.o The end of the streetcar tracks? Oh I see.. well, haven't really seen any such things ever before, so I wouldn't know, I guess o.O Makes sense though I suppose now that you mention it Protip: I don't really check the forums anymore, so if you want something, take it on my profile. |
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11-04-09, 8:31 PM
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i just finished all of No Longer Human.. it's an interesting and good story but it made me feel bad.. oh well.. that should be expected with a main char like that.. a little off topic but i notice mamiko noto is all around having more voice acting roles this season.. and now even this.. oh well.. |
#47
11-05-09, 9:06 AM
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The story makes me sad. I am happy that the guy finally got what he wanted.      thx 2 Rinjii 4 d sigy^^ |
#48
11-05-09, 9:54 AM
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Oosran said: Plate said: Oosran said: Oh and btw, just because I'm curious, what was this: I can't seem to manage putting whatever it is into something I know of O.o The end of the streetcar tracks? Oh I see.. well, haven't really seen any such things ever before, so I wouldn't know, I guess o.O Makes sense though I suppose now that you mention it maybe its an escalator....he he....i swear thats the first thing that came in my mind.. noteDhero said: We got no sense of what happened to the journalist and her kid. Honestly, this arc could have been a great 11 or 12 episode show that would have really done wonderful things. Oh i completely forgot abt the the journalist and the kid!!----i want to know because the journalist was kind of wierd..wonder what happened to the kid. Agreed; 4 eps for a novel is just to less...hence they fail to explain or show details which are highly required by ppl whom they keep in a state of "non- understood delimma" Modified by Valentiln, 11-05-09, 10:00 AM  |
#49
11-05-09, 2:12 PM
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I love this anime so much. I will read the book as soon as I will get it. Everyone has discussed everything I wanted to discuss, so no idea for it. Hope for the rest stories to be as good. The next story seems to be beautiful. But will all stories fit in? Have to be some mistake with 11 eps. Aoi bungaku series. Hope there will be more. Like akai. |
#50
11-05-09, 7:05 PM
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No wonder this book was called No Longer Human, what a pathetic excuse of human trash, he just couldn't get over his weakness and therefore he just gave up at the end, not like the story was all that appealing to me anyway, but with these kind of characters is just ridiculous. This first book sucked fucking horrible balls, I was yawning the whole 4 episodes, I hope the next plot will be somewhat more interesting than this, surely the animation is top notch, but take out the plot and you just have a mindless artwork. I've readed a synopsis of Hell Scream, so I guess that one will be definetly interesting. |
#51
11-05-09, 8:33 PM
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I've been wondering if Yozo's boss was screwing is wife more than once while he stayed up in his room drawing manga. Even if Yozo was pathetic I felt pretty bad for him. Dudes pretty insane. The whole second half of the ep was more depressing than 5cm per second for me. Just hope the next adaption isn't as depressing.  |
#52
11-07-09, 9:23 AM
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Incredible art, direction and animation once again. Coupled with a fantastic atmosphere and the great litterary work it is adapoted from, Aoi Bungaku is simply awesome. Or at least this arc was. Seems like the series will be composed of three 4-episodes arcs created by three different teams (among which three famous designers, the designer of the first arc being Obata), which is a good format for such an omnibus series. And seems like the last arc will be directed by Death Note's Araki, which is a good point also.  In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
#53
11-07-09, 4:15 PM
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vinesage said: francismeunier said: vinesage said: No it is certainly not because he lost faith in his wife at that moment. It was only the huge shock at that moment that came to his mind. Only later he realized that his wife has been sleeping with his boss the whole time. He realized after seeing this a second time because he was foolish about realizing why his work was selling so well but why was he ignorant of this? Was it because he had illusions when working on the manga that made him not in reality with himself? vinesage said: Well, I cant tell if he has illusion while drawing those mangas, but I think he never really gives thoughts on that matter anyway. For him, it is naturally to assume the mangas sell well because he can draw well, which is what people told him and what he said so himself in earlier episodes. Plus how I understand it is that, even his appearance may look “mature” and he may be intelligent, but his behavior more or less resembles that a premature boy who doesn’t understand how people interact in society. Yes, his appearances are deceiving and his mentality does not reflect his own appearance. vinesage said: After proposed to the girl, he wanted to rent the whole house to live together with her, even though he had no income at all at that time. I think when the girl asked if it is really ok, he said all will be good if his mangas sell. He had, base on whichever reason, firm trust in his own manga: a sign of naivety. I think one can also say he doesn’t live in the reality just like a normal little boy doesnt. No he does not live in reality at all. I would have to say that he should have though more of taking his wifes' place in that store. “Yes, that was also in my thoughts but then why did he save her and commit a double suicide with her again but this time succeed in it? “ because it is not his wife’s fault but his own fault. vinesage said: As I understand It, it was him who “forced” his wife to sleep with another man because there is no other option left for her. His wife loves him and doesn’t want to tell him the sad truth (his mangas don’t sell). But they need the money and his boss very likely offered that option to her. Too bad about all this, it would have been better to look for other job options. Even before this option was offered to the wife. That's just a sad truth hidden. “I wonder how did she agree to this even when she was married to him? Did she have no security for his finances? He could have taken her into his father's place and live off his allowance but I think his father did not even know about his marriage to her.” vinesage said: Well, I am not so sure what the wife could have thought. How I see it is that she loves him, and it seems he loves drawing his mangas. Knowing that his mangas don’t sell, or at least not enough to rent the whole house, there are the options left for her: either to stop him from what he is, to tell him to stop drawing and get some other work, or the option to keep him as what he is and sleeps with the boss~ If she really loves him much as what he is, it shouldn’t be hard to choose for the 2nd option. Yeah the 2nd option would have been better that is sure. vinesage said: The fact his wife sleeping with another man is fatal for the protagonist to believe he has failed as human, but it is not because he thinks she cheated him or brought shame on him. no. It is more about him realizing his own failure (naive): his own failure to earn enough money, to sell his own mangas; and his incapability to understand the society, his naivety, which even neglected his own wife. He failed quite bad at that. Suicide in the end was his only option to escape that world and maybe be in the world of his monster... “That is too vinesage, if he would have came back to his father, it would not have happened like that. He was illusional perhaps?” vinesage said: That’s exactly like admitting to his own failure if he went back to his father. He wants to prove to his father he is independent and can live on his own like a human do (behavior of a adolescent teenage boy). The news that his father died is heavy hit for him plus the truth behind his selling manga, even his friend left him for the army, so it might not be hard to imagine how it would end. His father died so why not just take all his possessions and sell them to have more finances. francismeunier said: vinesage said: I will admit, making a classic literature story into an anime is just wrong. Even though the anime might not have done justice to the story, which obviously leads audience into wrong conclusion (like believing its all fault of his father), but this is obviously a story with huge critic on the whole society of that time (almost every single aspect of it) ~ It did show a good example of one persons' mistakes and consequences that he has to live with. vinesage said: Well, that’s the point I think it is trying to get: it is not described as his fault but the fault of japan’s society at that time. He is only naïve. He does what people tell him to do, or what people expect from him but that always turns out to be “wrong”, so he runs to the women who can understand him because they, as it is hinted, also suffered from the same fate as him. well, I wouldn’t interpret too much into it since it is an adaption only, but, as you say, it is indeed a good opportunity to get to know some japanese classic works. Yes, thanks again for all this and sry I did not have time to respond to this for some time.  In spoiler my anime list for now. |
#54
11-07-09, 4:40 PM
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You know what francismeunier.. You don't necessarily have to reply to every single post that has one of your quotes in it (or other posts either for that matter), unless there's an apparant question, or when you have something that you really have to say about it.. For example, when you've written something, and someone happens to agree with you, you don't have to re-quote it again to confirm that someone actually did agree with you. I could go on about this for.. a while, but I'm tired, so I won't.. Anyway, for all that it matters, now I understand how you've gotten ~650 posts in less than a month xD Protip: I don't really check the forums anymore, so if you want something, take it on my profile. |
#55
11-07-09, 5:04 PM
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Selkaine said: This anime is fucked up! But in a good way :D Shroomie said: Maybe I interpreted the episode wrong.... I saw it as his wife being raped by his boss. Afterwards, when Yozo accused her of sleeping with him so his manga would sell, she committed suicide out of shame. I mean, it's possible that she might not speak against him to deny it. She's very obedient and quiet around him. She even asks him, "why didn't you stop him?" and when he accuses her of prostituting herself, she looks utterly shocked. This is how I saw it, so you're not alone. I remember reading somewhere that back in the day some cultures would accuse women of being cheaters when they were raped or molested (like it was the woman's fault she was violated and not the man's) and maybe that's what Yozo instantly thought when he saw her. Same, I don't think she was giving up her body to his boss, I think his boss just took advantage of her and Yozo, in his warped state of mind, imagined that she was doing it to get his manga published.  |
#56
11-07-09, 10:16 PM
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Oosran said: You know what francismeunier.. You don't necessarily have to reply to every single post that has one of your quotes in it (or other posts either for that matter), unless there's an apparant question, or when you have something that you really have to say about it.. For example, when you've written something, and someone happens to agree with you, you don't have to re-quote it again to confirm that someone actually did agree with you. I could go on about this for.. a while, but I'm tired, so I won't.. Anyway, for all that it matters, now I understand how you've gotten ~650 posts in less than a month xD I like having constant feedback to learn about anime. Guess I have to learn proper replying like you mention. So I guess in 10 months it's going to be 6500 posts. Maybe in 2 years 14 000? In any case the more information I get, the better I understand. In spoiler my anime list for now. |
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11-08-09, 4:11 AM
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"My life was shameful. Even now, I am unable to comprehend the way humans live. Especially women, they are indeed mysterious creatures." Well, he maybe didn't have a single clue about the way humans lived, but he surely did know stuff about his own way of living. "No longer Human" is based on Oba's involution as a character. Because he couldn't socialize with people he had to put on a facade so that those who surrounded him couldn't see his true self which he himself called a monster. He grew up with a deep fear of his father to whom he was only seen as a "failure as a human", was abused by some women when he was little and eventually reached the last degree of moral degradation in the 4th episode… I expected this to happen, anyway. That so called childhood of his had some key points. His father treating him like shit made Oba develop fear towards him, but at the same time it made him want to impress him in some way. Those women who abused him had an impact on him as well. It's kind of clear that because of his past, his naivety and his failures he couldn't understand society or the way humans lived. And that Horiki wasn't helpful to him in any way, as well. Saviuz said: Yozo never actually comitted a "mistake". He is just a product of society. True. This last episode was perfect. The rape scene was the final moment when he realized his own failures. Death followed it. 5 out of 5. Modified by SpecialKay, 11-08-09, 9:47 AM |
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11-10-09, 8:01 AM
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francismeunier said: Oosran said: You know what francismeunier.. You don't necessarily have to reply to every single post that has one of your quotes in it (or other posts either for that matter), unless there's an apparant question, or when you have something that you really have to say about it.. For example, when you've written something, and someone happens to agree with you, you don't have to re-quote it again to confirm that someone actually did agree with you. I could go on about this for.. a while, but I'm tired, so I won't.. Anyway, for all that it matters, now I understand how you've gotten ~650 posts in less than a month xD I like having constant feedback to learn about anime. Guess I have to learn proper replying like you mention. So I guess in 10 months it's going to be 6500 posts. Maybe in 2 years 14 000? In any case the more information I get, the better I understand. But there's a huge downside to posting that much, people will start seeing you as a no-lifer. Protip: I don't really check the forums anymore, so if you want something, take it on my profile. |
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11-10-09, 1:34 PM
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Oosran said: Why do you care about what others think about you, especially on the internet?But there's a huge downside to posting that much, people will start seeing you as a no-lifer. And why do you even care about what and how other people post/behave (on the internet)? Mikiyo said: Lol.No wonder this book was called No Longer Human, what a pathetic excuse of human trash, he just couldn't get over his weakness and therefore he just gave up at the end, not like the story was all that appealing to me anyway, but with these kind of characters is just ridiculous. This first book sucked fucking horrible balls, I was yawning the whole 4 episodes, I hope the next plot will be somewhat more interesting than this, surely the animation is top notch, but take out the plot and you just have a mindless artwork. |
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11-10-09, 9:46 PM
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Dammit, watched this right after waking up and now it feels like I'll be depressed for the rest of the day. Saviuz said: Am I the only one, who thinks Yozo's actions and reactions are completely comprehensible and plausible? Am I the only one, who thinks Yozo is not a failure as a human, but rather a (sad) product of that so-called "society"? I completely agree with you. In the end he was just a innocent and naive human who repeatedly got used & abused by the society around him.     |