Why do you like this show?

TKMike said:
Beelzebub and NGNL may be intentional comedies, but there is no reason to rank(IMO) Beelzebub that high(9) if you complain about Mahouka all the time. Beelzebub was strong in the first arc(comedywise) when Tatsumi Oga wanted to find someone stronger than him at Ishiyama school, but it became storywise worser and worser and the reason why it lost its popularity. The ending of Beezlebub was horrible and another reason why I can't take you serious anymore :P Especially when I've watched everything, but can't recall anything after the first arc, because it was soo weak storywise and comedywise. I dunno if you also ranked NGNL a 9(dunno want to watch your AMAZING profile), but that also isn't worth it. Except if you like more incest than Mahouka and fanservices(girls and bewbs)

Zapredon said:
Dude,your forget about Alucard. The true and perhaps FIRST EVER MCs that so Overpower,don't fight or care for justice and easily beat the crap out of everyone standing in his way. Tatsuya is so pale in comparison compare to Alucard.

Zapredon said:
@jakkubus

Please correct me if I'm wrong but does Alucard also has restriction on his power just like Tatsuya's limiter? Do you still remember?

MaskGT said:
Jeez so many haters. The topic itself says - Why do you LIKE this show? .. not hate.

Stop living on stereotypes for gods sake. We get a different character who is cool, calm and strong. That's perfetcly fine! I'm just sickly bored from whiny characters who fight for naiive justice, from those who can't even hold a girls hand or from those who get beaten by everyone in 80 % of the show.

jakkubus said:
Beelzebub and NGNL are intentional comedies unlike Mahouka, which tries to be serious.
Also Tatsumi and Sora have at least some personality.

DrGeroCreation said:
NGNL has comedy as one of it's genres but it is not a comedy anime. NGNL takes itself seriously sometimes such as the idea of humanity on the brink of extinction, Kurumi being sold into servitude and the idea of racism. Being talkative does not = personality while being quiet = no personality. Tatsuya's personality traits are quiet, humble, polite , intelligent, observant, protective, self - reliant. He also shows some basic emotions such as anger and happiness and it is explained why he doesn't show complex emotions. There is no explanation on the other hand as to why Sora only shows basic emotions and no complex emotions. So don't come with that BS that Sora has personality but Tatsuya doesn't, you just don't like his personality.

DrGeroCreation said:
NGNL has comedy as one of it's genres but it is not a comedy anime. NGNL takes itself seriously sometimes such as the idea of humanity on the brink of extinction, Kurumi being sold into servitude and the idea of racism. Being talkative does not = personality while being quiet = no personality. Tatsuya's personality traits are quiet, humble, polite , intelligent, observant, protective, self - reliant. He also shows some basic emotions such as anger and happiness and it is explained why he doesn't show complex emotions. There is no explanation on the other hand as to why Sora only shows basic emotions and no complex emotions. So don't come with that BS that Sora has personality but Tatsuya doesn't, you just don't like his personality.

jakkubus said:

Oh, so I am wrong with Mahouka, because you didn't like Beelzebub and No Game No Life. Good to know. Now there is no reason to treat you seriously.

jakkubus said:


NGNL takes some things seriously, but why would it have to mean that it isn't comedy? Care to elaborate?

About Tatsuya you are wrong. He is like robot programmed to always be right. He acts politely and humbly because it is more convenient in Japanese society. His inteligence is only informed, because he overcomes most of obstacles with brute force. He may achieve the highest score on exams, develop new magics and be master at tuning CADs, but he isn't acting somewhat cleverly. Also he may seem smart for you, because almost everyone else in Mahouka is retarded.

I don't get why Sora is unable to feel complex emotion in your opinion.

Grimlokk said:
Sigh what the hell are you talking about basic emotions? complex emotions? Last time I checked emotions are simply emotions. Tatsuya hardly feel any emotions towards others except for Miyuki of course. As for all those traits you've listed most of them apply when he is with Miyuki as for everyone else welp he just comes off as stoic and flat.

DrGeroCreation said:
The main focus of the show is not just comedy, it isn't a parody show. DB, DBZ, One Piece have comedy as one of their genres yet they are not considered comedies the same thing applies to NGNL. If it was true then wouldn't every anime character act polite and humbly? Him being well read, analytical and strategic to me is basis to call him intelligent.The way he took down Ichijo shows strategy instead of relying solely on brute force.

I never said Sora can't show any complex emotions but that he doesn't (well when it comes to the anime, I don't read the LNs.)

TKMike said:
Nice one bra, but you don't seem to get what I'm writing. I'm talking about the grades you gave those two, while those two are in fact not much different as Mahouka if we look at a quality of those anime.

Beezlebub went downwards comedywise and the reason why the ending was stupid to alot of watchers, just like the manga I heard by many, since the manga was even forced to end and something that I won't even be surprised if it also applies to the anime.

And the anime was always not known for its story, yet you gave Beezlebub a 9, while it doesn't have anything that would make it almost perfect.

About NGNL is something different, unless you gave it also a nine.

These are the reasons why I can't take your comment serious, because the comment you writes about Mahouka being a bad/average anime does also apply to Beezlebub and NGNL(if it's a 9). A 9 is almost a perfect anime, but there's no way that Beezlebub is perfect (and NGNL), unless your score is really biased by something that those two anime has in common, while Mahouka hasn't.

Also to be more clear: I never stated that Mahouka was a perfect anime, but an enjoyable anime --> not perfect and not almost perfect, just enough for being enjoyable. The fact that you keep complaining about Mahouka, while giving Beelzebub an almost perfect score is something that can't be taken seriously. So why can't you take me serious, when I don't even praise Mahouka as much as you're grading Beelzebub or as how much you're hating Mahouka?? Do remember that these will also apply if NGNL is also 9. I'm still too lazy to look at your amazing profile.

DrGeroCreation said:
The main focus of the show is not just comedy, it isn't a parody show. DB, DBZ, One Piece have comedy as one of their genres yet they are not considered comedies the same thing applies to NGNL. If it was true then wouldn't every anime character act polite and humbly? Him being well read, analytical and strategic to me is basis to call him intelligent.The way he took down Ichijo shows strategy instead of relying solely on brute force.

I never said Sora can't show any complex emotions but that he doesn't (well when it comes to the anime, I don't read the LNs.)

jakkubus said:

So when you are watching comedy, you evaluate it by the same criteria as thriller or horror?

True, Beelzebub has story on Mahouka's level, but when I said, that I watched it for story?

I know, I know. It's another show, that you don't like...

MAL scores:
Mahouka: 7.76, Beelzebub: 8.04, NGNL: 8.74. Get over it.

Enjoyable, that's right word to describe Mahouka. It has a lot of flaws, but it is still enjoyable. That is why I am still watching it (though reading LN would be waste of time for me). But I still don't get your idea of comparing it to comedies.
And I cannot take seriously you because of your egocentric attitude.

TKMike said:
It seems that I was unclear before, so let me try it again. Beezlebub in quality as a comedywise anime is not any better compared to other comedy anime. Just like Mahouka isn't a 9 worth compared to other anime of its genre. If you disagree, what makes Beelzebub a better comedywise anime compared to others??

Nice that you wrote this one too. Can you stop trolling then???

No Beelzebub's story is not Mahouka's level. Don't want to discuss this, because I know you will troll more :)

Nice, stop trolling about Mahouka then :D??

Oeh nice, Beelzebub has an 8 and what did you rank again if we look at this score?? Also, why list this, since you can't really take MAL scores seriously..... SAO2 was rated 10/10 or 9/10 by alot of SAO watchers before the first episode was even aired.... And also don't forget that there are those who don't bother to change the score when they've dropped the anime after the anime becomes qualitywise worser overtime?? And in the end, 7.76 is a good score, so why trolling here??

And I don't get it then why you keep complaining/trolling about something that you enjoy to watch??? Also overusing the same statement over and over again, while having discussed with multiple users still don't seem to get you stop trolling. So I'm not talking about your opinion here, but your trolling :) About me compairing it with comedies, I hope you understand it by now, because I may indeed be unclear by what I've stated before.

Well, then we can both not take each other serious then and I even hope that you can get the hint why I even started this? ;)

jakkubus said:

Why Beelzebub is not good comedywise? Because you didn't like it?

It's hilarious, when you write it. :D

In case of anime Mahouka isn't better storywise than Beelzebub. Both of them have almost no main plot.

Using Mahouka fans beloved argument: "So what are you doing here then?"

Enjoyable doesn't mean flawless. Fact that infodumps are nice wont change, that MCs are flat, character development is almost nonexistent and story isn't shining.

Um, because of your fanboy butthurt? :P

TKMike said:

Nope not saying that, but it isn't worth to be graded 9 is what I'm stating, since the comedy is no different from other animes that has lower scores. Beelzebub fanboy here maybe??:D

Thanks, my joke is atleast as funny as Beelzebub right:D Will je grade me a 9 too :3

If that's what you're saying. Agree to disagree then, I believe that you've discussed this multiple times already and don't see a point to do it again ;)

Uhm.. Reading forums to see other users opinion of an anime/episode I watch maybe?? I don't care about the grades at all and if you only look at the grades of an anime, then you're even more worse then you already are if popularity is all that matters. So you like watching Code Geass/FMA/Steins Gate and so on is because it has a high rating too right :D Talking about an own opinion here ;)

Hello, forgot to read the overuse a statement here when you've discussed it with multiple users already?? :D

I love how you're more buthurt than me, when I talked bad about your 9 grades Masterclass Animes ^^
But I will stop here again too, I see that your opinion is based on Myanimelist grades :)

jakkubus said:

I found Beelzebub funny and that is my main criteron, when rating comedies. De gustibus non est disputandum.

Nope, it was rather like Mahouka. So pathetic, that it's funny. :P

You were the one who recalled rating story, not me.

And then going to holy crusade, because someone here dare to have different taste than you. I recalled MAL score, because you were ex cathedra stating, that "Beezlebub went downwards comedywise and the reason why the ending was stupid to alot of watchers". Who were you reffering to??

Because those statements are still true and actual. Neither MCs nor other characters nor the story have developed for now.

I just wonder what are you trying to accomplish by pulling someone's tastes as argumentum ad personam?

TKMike said:

So something that is funny should be ranked 9 huh, nice to know that ;)


Beelzebub??


Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have done that.


Kugh, kugh. Only went into "Holy Crusade" because of your troll/hate skills all the time and started to try it too, but can't do it as well as you :( How do you keep doing it, because it's starting to become really boring already....
I believe I already explained the reason?? It even seems that the forum doesn't exist anymore on the SAO 2 thread to show you why this whole MAL ranking is basicly BS because of someone that has screen captured that what I mentioned before that the majority ranked something that wasn't even aired a 10 already. Also I believe that nothing is contradicting with what I'm stating.

In fact, I believe that I've stated it before multiple times already. I never said that Beelzebub is bad because of my personal tastes and others, but bad to be not 9 worthy lawl.... In fact, I believe that I've stated that Beelzebub is around Mahouka and you simply started to disagree with me, while the MAL seems to prove even more my point, while the ranking is really invalid if you want to use it at a discussion...

Try to use mathematic. The difference between the rating of Mahouka and Beelzebub is way more less than the difference between your SUPERIOR rating skills and Beelzebub MAL rating. So why is mine invalid in anyway?? I just stated multiple times already that Beelzebub is qualitywise around the same as Mahouka compare to other genres and not 9 worthy, just like Mahouka itself. I however never stated that Beelzebub should be a 5 or something, because I didn't like it. I simply stated that Beelzebub is far from perfect or almost perfect and a reason that I can't take your opinion/ratings serious, because you rated something like Beelzebub to be almost perfect while complaining something about Mahouka that's qualitywise the same and not that different from their own genre. About that last part, other people that doesn't use MAL maybe genius???????????????????????????


Ow, I'm not talking about that, but your genius way of saying JAPAN IS SUPERIOR and CHINESE are MORONS in MAHOUKA and other things. Even your signature is a desperate way to get your point done XD


Nothing, am bored already for along time. But want to let you see that the things you're doing is annoying :) This is really my last comment, because it's starting to get not funny at all and am amazed how you can keep doing it O.o So reply if you want to reply, keep in mind that your reply will be ignored :)

forgiuse said:

I laughed.

Grimlokk said:
I'm watching to see Tatsuya bang Miyuki and have her scream ~Onii-sama!!!~ otherwise I'll see if he's going to bang any other girl and give them an explosive burst the likes of which mankind has never seen. XD

ErenxMikasa said:


I gotta admit I'm curious if the author will actually do it

Takuan_Soho said:


Why is this an either/or question? Miyuki and Erika have already been locked in as Parvati and Kali, both aspects of Shiva's wife. Ultimately Honoka and Mayumi will fit in there somehow. If this series remains true to its roots, Tatsuya will end up with 4 or 5 wives. Which would put him on par with Erika's father.

Grimlokk said:


Yes!!!!! Now we play......The waiting game!!!!!

jakkubus said:


Tatsuya will never have even one wife. Why would he? He is totally impotent.

great_k said:
I understand why a lot of people do not like this show. It is different from the commercial, shonen influenced, brain dead crap that comprises most anime today. Even most seinen anime is full of shonen cliche's and results in very generic characters and battles in most anime.
Mahouka manages to rise above this.
The author has given us a really well constructed an detailed world.
Tatsuya is a non generic character. He does not fit the stereotypes of current anime leads.
I absolutely hate the fact that when a main lead character is actually moderately tactically astute and can actually compete in terms of skill with his enemies, people complain about him being overpowered.
Why dear god must we always have main lead characters that are always being beaten half to death and winning with battles with 1 move all the time.
My blood absolutely curdles when people talk about the genius of shows like Tokyo Ghoul, which at heart are built on the foundations of the same old shonnen cliche's.
For anyone who does not like this show, just go watch the other 90% of anime which are "paint by numbers" cliche's and leave shows with class like Mahouka alone please.

forgiuse said:
Or just watch Hellsing and leave this shit in the dusk.

great_k said:
I understand why a lot of people do not like this show. It is different from the commercial, shonen influenced, brain dead crap that comprises most anime today. Even most seinen anime is full of shonen cliche's and results in very generic characters and battles in most anime.
Mahouka manages to rise above this.
The author has given us a really well constructed an detailed world.
Tatsuya is a non generic character. He does not fit the stereotypes of current anime leads.
I absolutely hate the fact that when a main lead character is actually moderately tactically astute and can actually compete in terms of skill with his enemies, people complain about him being overpowered.
Why dear god must we always have main lead characters that are always being beaten half to death and winning with battles with 1 move all the time.
My blood absolutely curdles when people talk about the genius of shows like Tokyo Ghoul, which at heart are built on the foundations of the same old shonnen cliche's.
For anyone who does not like this show, just go watch the other 90% of anime which are "paint by numbers" cliche's and leave shows with class like Mahouka alone please.

konatachan80 said:

It is a while since I watched that series, but if I remember correctly I thought it was too "cartoony"
in lack of a better word. Iow, american cartoon style..which might be good for american cartoons, but
in my opinion, not really for anime. It is probably the reason why I don't really care for JoJo either.

jakkubus said:
You made my day. xD
Mahouka is not rising above anything (OK maybe above Mahou Sensou) and is also full of shounen cliches (like MC having harem and being "underdog", absurdly powerful student council or quite pupular incest trope).
Tatsuya as MC maybe is not typical for animes (though there are likes of him e.g. Ousawa Akatsuki), but for sure he is typical for fanfics. And rather poor kind of fanfics... Also the fact, that he is not Orimura Ichika, doesn't make him well-developed character.
...
I think he meant OVA, not the TV series.

konatachan80 said:
True, Akatsuki is quite similar to Tatsuya (or the other way around), but that type is so far between that at least I prefer them when comparing them to most other male MC's.

Well, he isn't underdog in the usual sense of the word, but it wasn't falsely claimed (to the viewers) that he were.
He kind of is an underdog when it comes to what he actually can do with his knowledge/power except
for the military and being used by the family (I think he said he'd be lucky to get a level C license). It
isn't like he didn't pay dearly, and not by his own choice. He probably would've wanted to be intact
emotionally (and I guess physically, although that would probably be because of the same).

Ichika..ouch. I can't say I like that guy much.

I think I watched Hellsing OVA too for some time, but they lost me at some point.
It looked better, but I think they kept some of what I complained about.

jakkubus said:


Most other male MCs? There are plenty kinds of them. Do you watch only ecchi harem animes?

konatachan80 said:

Hardly, I don't think there even exists as many of those as the number of series I've watched.
I've watched both ecchi and harem series, but they're not the majority.

Because of Tatsuya's shortcomings I don't label it as a harem, but a fake harem of sorts (no chance of "something" happening).

jakkubus said:
But outside of harem animes that kind of MC you recalled is rather rare. Can you name some examples?
..
Well, almost every harem anime protagonist I've seen is dense as brick, so this argument is invalid. Even though Tatsuya is impotent he has acquired a bunch of following and praising him girls.

darkreaperix said:
Again the question for this thread is "Why do you like this show?" not "why you don't like this show?" or "do you like or hate this show?".We already have another thread for bashing.You are just derailing this thread jakkubus :p

jakkubus said:

You made my day. xD
Mahouka is not rising above anything (OK maybe above Mahou Sensou) and is also full of shounen cliches (like MC having harem and being "underdog", absurdly powerful student council or quite pupular incest trope).
Tatsuya as MC maybe is not typical for animes (though there are likes of him e.g. Ousawa Akatsuki), but for sure he is typical for fanfics. And rather poor kind of fanfics... Also the fact, that he is not Orimura Ichika, doesn't make him well-developed character.

great_k said:

Tatsuya is generally not an underdog. He only uses the amount of power necessary to get the job done so to not draw attention to himself. Even with the current locks on his power his abilities are more than enough to overwhelm most opponents if he wished. The underdog tag would only come from people not knowing the true depth of his abilities.