keragamming said: cronosteso23 said: The critic That I do to the most of battle shounen is the little innovation in the arcs, in addition to cliches and the excessive use of Deus Ex Machina. I like HxH because is more logic, realist, and the plot is refreshing and innovative in each arc I call tard to other user when he said this: One piece, Naruto.... is better just because -.... this show sucks because it doesnt have fights/battles ^ What anime is your avatar from? Medaka Box, which is not a very good series IMO. |
MrLief said: keragamming said: ^ What anime is your avatar from? Medaka Box, which is not a very good series IMO. Thnx, I'll give it a shot anyways. |
keragamming said: MrLief said: Medaka Box, which is not a very good series IMO. Thnx, I'll give it a shot anyways. The creator of this series is Nishio Ishin (author Katanagatari-Bakemonogatari) I recommend you watch Medaka Box. Kumagawa is my favorite character of all time . The minus arc (#3) is the best (and one of the best of shonen battle) but it wasn't adapted in the anime |
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boredxxx said: So I started watching hunter because some reviwers on utube review hunter an also a person i knew a whilr back said its amazing. I didnt get into it too much from the start but from loving one piece i knew slower begginings do not make a series bad. Im currently on about 102 and i hve to be honest im bored. I love the big 3 and fairy tail but somethnbg about this is less grippig for me. I enjoy it partly especially Killua who i like more than the main char. I thought the chimera ant arc was going to blow me away and i did enjoy it at the start but the main char is a kind of odd. Anyways just wanted to hear some thoughts on peoples opinions about it. I dont hate the show but its not as enjoyable as i expected. Is there something cool coming my way (no major spoilers)? Mod Edit: Modified title for clarity and/or easier searching. You don't even have HxH in your list. Was this a troll thread? |
boredxxx said: Agafin said: You don't even have HxH in your list. Was this a troll thread? How would I know about the arc and its details if it was a troll... I havent added all the series I watch because I often forget to. Ill add it just for you :) Oh. Well, now that you've completed it, why not update this thread with your final thoughts. Wasn't that the point? |
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boredxxx said: Actually you reminded me about the series just now. I am on about 102-105. Ill complete in within the next few weeks and post an update which is a good idea. Hopefully the end of CA arc will be good. Huh, so you pretty much didn't make any advancement since you made this thread? hentai_eucli said: I like it more than the big three as well. I don't know what you mean by "not as much as others". Personally, the fillers are what bring the score of Naruto down. They are a huge part of the show and for the most part are awful. The canon material itself is probably worth an 8 or a 9 in my book. One Piece Pre TS is an 8, Post TS is kinda lower. Bleach is just fine really.They were nice. I was pretty hooked on almost the whole show. I could accept it being better than others, but not by as much as people ussualy claim. Haven't seen one piece yet so I don't know about that |
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boredxxx said: I like one piece alot more than this, but its just my opinion. I dislike the way the main character works in the series and find the supporting main far more interesting. Do you mean the protagonist? |
boredxxx said: Definately give one piece a shot. There is a reason it is #1 in sales. Hopefully youj can bear the introductions because fourth arc on badassery starts, although for me what was before was also great. I like one piece alot more than this, but its just my opinion. I dislike the way the main character works in the series and find the supporting main far more interesting. That's understandable. The MC is one of the lesser liked Shounen protagonists. Killua is loved a lot more, but he can't carry the show on his own. Kurapika is also great, but is absent for majority of the time. And then there's the other one. I think the part you're at is when the Chimera Ant arc started to drag a bit. Push through to the Palace invasion which has some great stuff. It drags a bit after that too, but the ending is great. Ends it off as an 8/10 for me. Judging from what you said before, the following arc may not be very interesting to you, although it's better than GI for sure. Still a pretty good 7/10 though. |
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insan3Inquisitor said: boredxxx said: And thats one of the things i dont understand about hxh. The story and main fights are meant to revolve around the main character because he's the main character. Bringing up one piece, which if you talk about should know that luffy (surprisingly) is the strongest on the crew. If he was just there and sanji and zoro were main characters on different arcs I might not enjoy one piece as much as I do (or at all). Well, for me, one of the most annoying things about OP and many other battle shounen is that the main protagonist is, more likely than not, going to beat the big bad at the end of an arc and hog all of the glory. I get sick of that and, for me, Gon not being pushed front and center particularly often is one of my favorite elements of the series. Other characters can and do get the limelight and, I feel, the series is all the better for it. ^^ This is also one of the reasons why I like him. |
Agafin said: I like it more than the big three as well. I don't know what you mean by "not as much as others". Personally, the fillers are what bring the score of Naruto down. They are a huge part of the show and for the most part are awful. The canon material itself is probably worth an 8 or a 9 in my book. One Piece Pre TS is an 8, Post TS is kinda lower. Bleach is just fine really. I didn't say I liked it more, I said I could accept it being better. And the not as much as other is basically what I said, I don't know how to explain it simpler. Fillers have don't affect me. Its not like you can't skip them. Lowering score because of fillers is silly imo. |
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hentai_eucli said: They were nice. I was pretty hooked on almost the whole show. I could accept it being better than others, but not by as much as people ussualy claim. Haven't seen one piece yet so I don't know about that Not as much, far more than that. One Piece overall is worse than Naruto 1 and better than Shipp, for reference purposes. |
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Mikasa said: hentai_eucli said: They were nice. I was pretty hooked on almost the whole show. I could accept it being better than others, but not by as much as people ussualy claim. Haven't seen one piece yet so I don't know about that Not as much, far more than that. One Piece overall is worse than Naruto 1 and better than Shipp, for reference purposes. You do realise that that is your opinion? Why are you providing reference like its a fact? |
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hentai_eucli said: Mikasa said: Not as much, far more than that. One Piece overall is worse than Naruto 1 and better than Shipp, for reference purposes. You do realise that that is your opinion? Why are you providing reference like its a fact? Seems like you haven't been acquainted with Mikasa yet. |
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hentai_eucli said: Mikasa said: Not as much, far more than that. One Piece overall is worse than Naruto 1 and better than Shipp, for reference purposes. You do realise that that is your opinion? Why are you providing reference like its a fact? I was helping you get acquainted with the quality so you'd be familiar, because you said you did not know. |
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Jet_Blackhazel said: > opens thread > reads the post > checks OP's favorites One Piece Bleach Fairy Tail (2014) Akame ga Kill! Tokyo Ghoul Take my advice & just drop hxh. This show is clearly not upto your ally. Really l8 on that b8, m8 |
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Jet_Blackhazel said: > opens thread > reads the post > checks OP's favorites One Piece Bleach Fairy Tail (2014) Akame ga Kill! Tokyo Ghoul Take my advice & just drop hxh. This show is clearly not upto your ally. Where've you been? It's too late for that now. |
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hentai_eucli said: Agafin said: I like it more than the big three as well. I don't know what you mean by "not as much as others". Personally, the fillers are what bring the score of Naruto down. They are a huge part of the show and for the most part are awful. The canon material itself is probably worth an 8 or a 9 in my book. One Piece Pre TS is an 8, Post TS is kinda lower. Bleach is just fine really. I didn't say I liked it more, I said I could accept it being better. And the not as much as other is basically what I said, I don't know how to explain it simpler. Fillers have don't affect me. Its not like you can't skip them. Lowering score because of fillers is silly imo. I don't lower the score because there's filler. I lower it because there's filler that I don't like. If I find the fillers good then I might instead bump the score thanks to them. Good example of that is Detective Conan Pre 300 episodes where I couldn't even tell filler from canon (in a good way). RedRoseFring said: Yeah. Gon doesn't take the limelight except for having an arc where the entire Hunter Community has an election centered on saving him. Has almost every major antagonist and protagonist support remark on how much potential he has. He's not pushed to the front at all. Thanks for proving my point. The election arc was actually one of the main arcs I had in mind when I said that since that is the arc where he had the least amount of screentime. Killua was given the spotlight because, well all the characters are important and have their individual stories ( remember that our little discussion). Except if you don't know what being given the spotlight means. You might as well say Gol D Roger is the most important character in One Piece and has stolen the spot light to/has more screentime than the strawhats since you know the whole story is about finding the treasure he left. I shouldn't explain you why that isn't the case right? Should I? Of course there's also Yorknew where Kurapika was basically the protagonist. "Every major antagonist". Yeah, the main villain in the longest arc of the show so far (CA) had literally zero interaction with him. Chrollo was more interested in the chain user and only kept them to get information on said user. Pariston never commented about that either. RedRoseFring said: Indeed.He's not pushed to the front at all. |
Agafin said: Thanks for proving my point. The election arc was actually one of the main arcs I had in mind when I said that since that is the arc where he had the least amount of screentime. Killua was given the spotlight because, well all the characters are important and have their individual stories ( remember that our little discussion). Lol. Gon's name is probably mentioned more times than anybody else's except for maybe Alluka. Almost every characters' actions are towards saving him. Except if you don't know what being given the spotlight means. You might as well say Gol D Roger is the most important character in One Piece and has stolen the spot light to/has more screentime than the strawhats since you know the whole story is about finding the treasure he left. I shouldn't explain you why that isn't the case right? Should I? Of course there's also Yorknew where Kurapika was basically the protagonist. You obviously don't know what it is, so I'll give you a definition: spotlight transitive verb : to shine a spotlight on (someone or something) : to give special attention to (something) Gon is given the utmost attention in the Election arc, more than anyone else. Gold Roger is hardly mentioned in many episodes of OP, even in the arcs that have his former crewmates. And he obviously doesn't have nearly as much screentime as the Strawhats. What series are you watching? Yorknew is the arc where Gon probably got the least attention, yet members of the PT were clamoring to recruit him. "Every major antagonist". Yeah, the main villain in the longest arc of the show so far (CA) had literally zero interaction with him. Chrollo was more interested in the chain user and only kept them to get information on said user. Pariston never commented about that either. You forgot an "almost". Even then, the secondary antagonist or Dragon in this case was riveted by him. And Pariston made a play with Gon to win over Leorio, unless you somehow missed that. Illumi was more of the antagonist for said arc, and his primary goal was to stop Gon's revival by taking out the one person who could do it. That makes 5 out of 7 arcs where our boy in green boots gets some form of major attention, and even in the ones where he didn't, he was just pushed to second place, never too far away. |
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RedRoseFring said: Lol. Gon's name is probably mentioned more times than anybody else's except for maybe Alluka. Almost every characters' actions are towards saving him. Are you talking exclusively about the election arc? Either way, I highly doubt it. His name was mentioned very sparsely during the Yorknew arc and he had very little screentime (he nearly had zero screentime or mentions during the first half of Yorknew which lasteed for like 10 episodes. Same thing for CA. The king had much more relevance than him once he was introduced. During the invasion in particular, I'm pretty sure Gon got like 5 times less screentime than Meruem nor was he as mentioned. Between, do you think Gon has more screentime than Killua? Besides, I'm not saying that is irrevelant to the story or something, he's the protagonist so of course there has to be moments where he shines or is held to higher standards than others and also has his own plot points (finding his father, fighting Hisoka, confronting Gyro etc). I just mean that Togashi knows very well how to balance the relevance of each of his characters and oesn't overglorify the protag at the expense of other characters. RedRoseFring said: Gon is given the utmost attention in the Election arc, more than anyone else. Gold Roger is hardly mentioned in many episodes of OP, even in the arcs that have his former crewmates. And he obviously doesn't have nearly as much screentime as the Strawhats. What series are you watching? Yorknew is the arc where Gon probably got the least attention, yet members of the PT were clamoring to recruit him. I don't know about you but I and many others judging by some of the comments about the arc) will tell you that Killua was much more important than Gon in the election arc. 50% of the arc was devoted to his emotional struggles and familial problems as well as finding something he wants to do in life (as was stated by him right back since Whale Island... which finally happened to be protecting Alluka). That was almost to him like Yorknew was to Kurapika. Healing Gon was the plot device used to attain but that doesn't change the fact that he is the most important just like finding the One Piece is just a plot device for driving the adventures in One Piece. Gol D is as mentioned about as much as Gon was (while he was unconcious) proportionally to the lengths. Except if we weren't watching the same show, I barely rememberd Gon being mentioned often during the arc. Killua/Leorio wanted to save hime and Pariston threatened Ging with Gon once. That's about it. Only Nobunagaa wanted to recruit him and certainly not because of his potential but because he reminded him of Uvo. The others were rather indifferent to that. So that makes like 1 out of 13, point made. RedRoseFring said: You forgot an "almost". Even then, the secondary antagonist or Dragon in this case was riveted by him. And Pariston made a play with Gon to win over Leorio, unless you somehow missed that. Illumi was more of the antagonist for said arc, and his primary goal was to stop Gon's revival by taking out the one person who could do it. That makes 5 out of 7 arcs where our boy in green boots gets some form of major attention, and even in the ones where he didn't, he was just pushed to second place, never too far away. Illumi wanted to stop Killua from using Alluka because of the threat he posed. He didn't really care about Gon and was more concerned about manipulating Killua to use Alluka's power for him. Saying that Illumi's primary goal was to stop Gon's revival by taking out the one person who could do it" is twisting the facts. He didn't care about Gon, he cared more about Alluka and the consequences of her power. And I thhink paris is the antagonist of the arc. Well, maybe they are co antagonits then. To the bolded part 1- He didn't even occupy the second place in the election arc. Killua, Illumi, Pariston and Ging were all more important. Maybe you could say he was as important as say Leorio or Hisoka in that arc. 2-Again, I never said that Gon never occupy the central position. He's the protagonist and so like I said also has his subplots and so can take the primary or secondary positions when it's necessary but not everytime like with other protags and not at the expense of other characters. He also shouldn't be overglorified (note I added the prefix "over"). Why do you think that everything is in absolutes. Togashi balances things too well for that. |
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shoyo10 said: yorkshin city / spider arc definitely resembles that of naruto's akatsuki arc.. they are at least from the same generation and share that same spirit of villainity.. What Akatsuki arc? Tsunade arc, where some of Akatsuki members are first shown? |
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Agafin said: Are you talking exclusively about the election arc? Yes. That was why I mentioned it. I just mean that Togashi knows very well how to balance the relevance of each of his characters and doesn't overglorify the protag at the expense of other characters. Still doesn't differentiate him from the others. Even with some secondary characters like Shoot who's most memorable moment is all about glorifying him. Knuckle had one too, and then there's Palm of course. I don't know about you but I and many others judging by some of the comments about the arc) will tell you that Killua was much more important than Gon in the election arc. 50% of the arc was devoted to his emotional struggles and familial problems as well as finding something he wants to do in life (as was stated by him right back since Whale Island... which finally happened to be protecting Alluka). That was almost to him like Yorknew was to Kurapika. Healing Gon was the plot device used to attain but that doesn't change the fact that he is the most important just like finding the One Piece is just a plot device for driving the adventures in One Piece. That just emphasizes the point even more. One of the main points of Killua's situation was curing Gon, and using God Alluka to do so. Gol D is as mentioned about as much as Gon was (while he was unconcious) proportionally to the lengths. Except if we weren't watching the same show, I barely rememberd Gon being mentioned often during the arc. Killua/Leorio wanted to save hime and Pariston threatened Ging with Gon once. That's about it. Nope. Gon was mentioned in almost every single party involved's conversation. There isn't a single arc in One Piece that mentions Gold Roger as much. To the bolded part 1- He didn't even occupy the second place in the election arc. Killua, Illumi, Pariston and Ging were all more important. Maybe you could say he was as important as say Leorio or Hisoka in that arc. 2-Again, I never said that Gon never occupy the central position. He's the protagonist and so like I said also has his subplots and so can take the primary or secondary positions when it's necessary but not everytime like with other protags and not at the expense of other characters. He also shouldn't be overglorified (note I added the prefix "over"). Why do you think that everything is in absolutes. Togashi balances things too well for that. Illumi, Pariston and Ging were not nearly as much the focus of most of the interactions like Gon. In fact, Gon is the one point that brings all of them together. Other protagonists also have the moments of being pushed to the secondary focus, so that's nothing special. In fact, I'd say Naruto finds himself in that position more times than Gon relatively speaking. |
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boredxxx said: Jet_Blackhazel said: > opens thread > reads the post > checks OP's favorites One Piece Bleach Fairy Tail (2014) Akame ga Kill! Tokyo Ghoul Take my advice & just drop hxh. This show is clearly not upto your ally. Alley* Unfortunately I have to finish it since ive watched that much already. But you are late to the party on my favorites. Id say some snide comment about your series if I knew any of them except monster. heh heh, you're taking it wrong. I'm not criticising your favorites or your taste. I'm just saying that HxH does not suit to your taste. You wont really enjoy it. That's all. |
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Dimitrije1606 said: I would like to compare one thing from Bleach and Hunter x Hunter. Have you guys noticed how in Bleach characters give explanation of their powers all the time, while in HxH is exactly the opposite? That's definitely another thing I love about Hunter X Hunter. Telling your moves to your opponent is an overused cliché abd a really annoying one at that since it's quite dumb most of the time. In Hunter X Hunter, it's either subverted or absent. Like when people tell their moves to their, it generally has a specified reason and is relevant to the plot: -Gon's is most likely the condition that makes his attack strongzer than it should be (in addition to the fact that he has no defense while usinf Jajanken). -Genthru too explains how his ability works and how to get free of it as a restriction to make it as strong as it is. -Kurapika told Uvo his special ability but that was (unlike how the trope works) after defeating him and mostly as a wway of mentally breaking him down since he wanted to gain information on the Troupe (like their abilities and location). Other than that, the characters generally have to figure their opponents' abilities methods themselves which generally make the fights more cerebral like Hisoka did with Kastro or Zeno with Chrollo. This makes HxH look more "intelligent" in my opinion. I believe that's probably one of the reason why people who generally hate long running/arc based battle shonen seem to like it since that cliche is one of the most infamous and hated by shonen haters and its various subversions, aversions or lack of (replaced by inner monologues or narration) eliminates the hate here. fathertime said: Best shonen i've seen! It's great to meet another Leorio fan! @Redrose, we're moving in circles here so I will just make this short(not trying to be rude or anything) "Still doesn't differentiate him from the others. Even with some secondary characters like Shoot who's most memorable moment is all about glorifying him. Knuckle had one too, and then there's Palm of course." Aren't you basically making my point? If all characters have their moments of glory like him, then that shows that the author considers each of his characters important which is what I was trying to say. Note that I said Over-glorified not glorified. There's no problem with some glorification here and there. "That just emphasizes the point even more. One of the main points of Killua's situation was curing Gon, and using God Alluka to do so." Just like the main plot in One Piece is about finding the One Piece right? "In the Kage Summit arc, he is not even a secondary issue. The closest arc for Gon would be Yorknew, and he makes more appearances relative to Naruto's in the Kage Summit." Yorknew, most of the election and most of the invasion part of the CA arc (which is an even longer stretch than YN). that's much more than Naruto. |
Agafin said: @Redrose, we're moving in circles here so I will just make this short(not trying to be rude or anything) "Still doesn't differentiate him from the others. Even with some secondary characters like Shoot who's most memorable moment is all about glorifying him. Knuckle had one too, and then there's Palm of course." Aren't you basically making my point? If all characters have their moments of glory like him, then that shows that the author considers each of his characters important which is what I was trying to say. Nope. You were basically making mine. Gon is not much different from other protagonists as the spotlight always manages to find him whether in the primary or secondary sense. And maybe you misunderstood what I said, but other characters' moments of glory are based on him. They just become an extension of his own spotlight. Note that I said Over-glorified not glorified. There's no problem with some glorification here and there. That's just an issue of semantics and degrees. "That just emphasizes the point even more. One of the main points of Killua's situation was curing Gon, and using God Alluka to do so." Just like the main plot in One Piece is about finding the One Piece right? Um, don't know how that is relevant to characters getting the spotlight. Are you trying to say that the One Piece is a character? "In the Kage Summit arc, he is not even a secondary issue. The closest arc for Gon would be Yorknew, and he makes more appearances relative to Naruto's in the Kage Summit." Yorknew, most of the election and most of the invasion part of the CA arc (which is an even longer stretch than YN). that's much more than Naruto. Nope. In all of those, Gon had almost entire episodes dedicated to him. Naruto didn't in comparison. His moments were brief and mostly irrelevant to the events taking place. |
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Dimitrije1606 said: I would like to compare one thing from Bleach and Hunter x Hunter. Have you guys noticed how in Bleach characters give explanation of their powers all the time, while in HxH is exactly the opposite? HxH does explain powers though.... they just don't show characters doing it mid-fight in a serious death match. Also, why Bleach? Naruto and OP do that same thing far more. Bleach actually has little to be explained. |
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boredxxx said: Alright then... Anyway, I do enjoy some aspects of it which i previously mentioned is mainly killua as well as the spider dudes and hisoka. These are mainly because of naruto and before people say it came first blah blah, I like the naruto versions better. Their goals a reasoning didnt really get through to me as good. Anyway I will finish the series next week because of holidays. I finished school days so I may as well finish this. Wait, why are you watching this like it's an obligation or something? |
| More like it's a complete waste of time to watch 46 episodes of a piece of entertainment like its an obligation especially since you even forgot that you were watching it. |
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boredxxx said: So i am back into watching this and Im quiet annoyed. The invasion was something i was really looking forward and its cool and all but the fucking narrator is ruining the whole atmosphere. It took an hour for those badass arrows to hit the ground and apparently half an hour of fighting youpi was actually 10 seconds. The narration is really shitting on the intensity making it a chore rather than excitement. I hope when they begin fighting the king the narrator wont talk the whole fkin time and explain why each guy took a breath, sneezed and scratched his nose. That said there is some good character development in knuckles partner dude but it again is ruined by the narration while the play the same animation of youpi swinging his arms around for 10 minutes. currently on ep 115 The Youpi fight doesn't pick up until much later, and there really isn't much that's very memorable about it except the very end which I feel will disappoint you again. |
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