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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
31 33.33%
4 out of 5: Liked it
 
34 36.56%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
21 22.58%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
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12-24-10, 7:51 PM

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I've read all of the 37 chapters of the manga, and I loved it. The story, plot, characters and art are really amazing. When I heard they were coming with a movie based on it, I was really excited and nervous of how it would turn out. So I decided I would see this movie tonight. Let me just say, as I adore this manga and Iwahara's work..... this movie was so depressing to watch mentally and physically. I mean it.

I will say that the intro of this film was good, there were a few parts from the manga in the film and the soundtrack was good, but the rest of it was bullshit to me. They messed up the character's reputations/purposes and deaths, the majors points of the manga were left out or messed up, they left out the major villain (Zues) out of it, too much CGI, too much filler moments/points, there was no spark between Marco and Kasumi like the manga and they messed up the ending.

I'm not really a ranter when comes to novels/books that turn into movies and some points are changed or left out, which is okay, but this one really took it too far in my opinion. Bottom line, if you are interested in the manga, then I will recommend it. But if you do see this movie after you read it, just be warned and stay on your guard. If
you do see this movie without reading the manga first, then okay (the movie is okay if it wasn't based off an original story though).

Also, one of the things that really just pissed me off was that Marco DOES NOT have a sister. IF he does, then it was never mention in the manga. God.
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12-28-10, 9:25 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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After hearing about it two years ago and finaly finding a subbed version i was EXSTATIC! I got a little confused aroun the end though, but i still think it was pretty good.
 
01-01-11, 9:28 PM

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Pretty good movie, 8/10

I'm kinda confused on the whole fantasy to reality thing...how do people go from the Medusa virus to being able to do that? And Alice...don't really get her....maybe I shouldn't have started this movie at midnight...oh well..

And for people wondering, YES THIS IS SUBBED IN ENGLISH

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01-03-11, 4:01 AM

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Great movie. It's sad that Marco died at the end too and only 2 people survided :(
 
01-03-11, 9:08 PM

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I wish I watch the movie first than read the manga, but I like the manga way better more suspenseful and more survivors to and because at the end Marco and Kasumi hooked up!
 
01-04-11, 11:26 AM

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Idd, this very really confusing towards the end, they overwhelmed me with so much information that it was really hard to follow it, I had had to pause and re-read things 3 times, being bad in English was a hurdle, too. It was still a great watch and very thrilling.

 
01-04-11, 11:27 AM

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This very really confusing towards the end, they overwhelmed me with so much information that it was really hard to follow it, I had had to pause and re-read things 3 times, being bad in English was a hurdle, too. It was still a great watch and very thrilling.

 
01-05-11, 2:56 PM

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This kinda sucked, tbh. It had a decent premise but just all-around sucked too much to be considered good. It wasn't horrible, but doesn't deserve any praise imo.

The whole Sleeping Beauty concept was terribly cliche. Trying to follow that story throughout the whole movie is just a lame idea, and the concept has been used to death already a million time. The characters also sucked, honestly. Very generic designs and very one-dimensional. The main girl was annoying imo as well. Artwork was just plain horrendous, thanks to the CGI, but that's no surprise. Anime CGI is generally complete shit, and this movie is a perfect example. It was especially atrocious when used on the characters, as well as the castle/dragon/vine(thorn)/thing. Not to mention that thing was just plain stupid in general. It wasn't all that enjoyable either. It got a little fascinating towards the end, but the beginning was pretty boring for a good while. The one redeeming quality was the music, which was pretty nice, but that's not enough to save the film.

I feel like this really does deserve only a 5/10, but for some reason I can't find myself able to rate it below 6/10, so I don't know, haha.




 
01-09-11, 12:37 PM

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I feel mind raped.
Added to my favorites.
I'm pretty speechless.
 
01-16-11, 8:23 AM

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I thought it was like a series but then i realised it was a movie. This movie was quite awesome, considering that it was different from the manga and stuff. The ending wasn't as desirable but..at least it was decent. But they left out stuff from the manga in order to fit it in the duration of the movie.
I thought this was like out recently but I didnt expect it was released since quite awhile ago XD
Quite a great show~ Wanna rant abt it to someone..haha
 
01-16-11, 11:22 AM

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Started so good!
The music and everything was so breathtaking.
But then it started to get crappy, and it made no sense.
And the ending was just.. bad..
But i still enjoyed this movie!
 
01-16-11, 4:12 PM

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ok i may be stupid but can someone explain the whole ending to me? i watched the last 30 mins like 3 times and still dnt understand.
This is my interpretation: Kasumi fights with her sister and gets knocked off a cliff and dies. The sister throws a fit and is taken into custody to have experiments done on her. She then makes a new Kasumi and a shit load of thorns out of her imagination into reality and starts killing everyone after she uses the thorns to put kasumi into a pod.

Correct?
 
01-19-11, 1:20 AM

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Only in the past 6months have a truely become someone who reads manga, and this is one of the few titles i have read to the end. That said it also means i have become one of those people who instantly compare anime to manga material it came from. Usually i just like seeing how well they do, but sometimes im left with some regret that one wasnt as enjoyable as the other. I'd say this is a case where the manga was definately better at least for story and character development.

That said i went into this remembering a fair amount yet couldnt remember the ending from the manga. So that gave me a bit more drive and excitement towards watching it, as it wasnt because the manga was bad, just more how my memory is and i watch and read far too much.

Well not to go into too much detail, but things i missed where marco's extra chances to be a hero and devoloping the bond between him and kasumi, the blonde woman transforming, even few things to do with how certain characters came back afer the brush with death, marco's would be included here as well. Some people were dead but showed up the anime, yet alice didnt get shown, i mean seriously since when does an old man win against a blonde loli :)

That said and maybe partly due to me not remembering every detail of the manga, but i liked Tim more in this referencing everything to a game or movie was kinda funny to me. A reviewer mention the difference in quality and animation for characters and backgrounds compared to the monsters but dispite this i found it good to watch none the less. Its the one the joys i only learnt more recently(due how long i been reading manga) but its good to see characters come to life in anime. Like when reading anything you give the character a personality when you read it, and watching it is quite amusing to see if it lives upto how you portrayed them in your head when reading it.

Well im pretty tired so forgive anything i wrote that doesnt make to much sense. I enjoyed it, and i know you cant put all the content of the manga into a single movie, so taking it all into consideration, it was pretty good to watch, though i do recommend reading the manga to anyone who hasnt already and this sparked some interest.
 
01-19-11, 1:41 AM

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ok i may be stupid but can someone explain the whole ending to me? i watched the last 30 mins like 3 times and still dnt understand.
This is my interpretation: Kasumi fights with her sister and gets knocked off a cliff and dies. The sister throws a fit and is taken into custody to have experiments done on her. She then makes a new Kasumi and a shit load of thorns out of her imagination into reality and starts killing everyone after she uses the thorns to put kasumi into a pod.

Correct?


Well the virus gives some power to be able to bring the imagination and dreams to life in the real world, and basically from the shock and trauma the virus gets kicked into high gear, and her imagination starts to affect reality.
She gets taken to lab and put under in the sleep pods, where they can control and effect her dreams, the control is lost when the power gets shut off.

Though not properly explained in the movie, marco and his team were behind this, it was to give them a chance to sneak in. Having lost control her wish of being with kasumi leads to her creating the kasumi we follow during the film, the thorns are to protect her and keep everyone away so noone will learn the truth about kasumi. Thorns are possibly influenced from the woman reading sleeping beauty on the way to castle.

The monsters could have been taken from Tim the same way marco's mind was read for him to see his sister, though this doesnt happen in the manga, so its likely she created them from her own memories, though this would mean she played rpg's and stuff for how the game Tim relates stuff to comes accross as, like level 1 monster, wind magic for 1 hit kill etc.

The fight on the cliff was kasumi rejecting going into the pods and leaving her sister, and aiming for a double suicide, so neither would be left alone since they were the only family they had left. While trying to reason and resist they both fall, yet kasumi splats on the rocks below, while her sister manages to hold on and pulled back up.

Least all this is my understanding based on memories of the manga and what happens in fillm.
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01-26-11, 12:04 PM

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The concept is good and it started out great. But the ending is confusing and just weird.
That being said, I love the animation of the scenery. Not so much for the characters though.
 
01-28-11, 10:02 PM

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Great art and animation; characters where really interesting, specially Marco; the score was beautiful, and the story was great, if you never took your eyes off the screen. This was a very entertaining and enjoyable film, despite how ridiculous was the pacing of the story with it's big content and concept, which was going around at light-speed. Is it worth watching again? Yes.

8/10

my only question is: WTF happen to the world and humanity in the end of the movie? did they found a cure for Medusa? or is "Alternative" Kasumi humanity's last hope to cure them all? or will she show them Medusa's wonders of how to bring imagination into reality, and how helpful can it be or dangerous? Because at the end of the movie the aftermath between the Earth and Medusa was never explained or shown.
 
02-21-11, 9:01 PM

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Surprsing twist [fi it is a twist] and great plot and overall sequences.
The idea of having a dream become reality is just mindblowing as well as asking themsleves if they're still in a dream or not.

I just have to say is that the last 30 minutes is just insane and I really loved it, the ending is fairly good but that's just me.
 
03-05-11, 12:23 AM

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my facking god the ending part is kinda a mind fack i cannot fully understand that dream into reality concept, but it sure is interesting and not to mention the concept of sleeping beauty mix in this movie

im gonna read the manga of this too to get more answers, and base on the manga readers from this thread, the manga is much much better

overall this movie is 8/10 for me
 
04-10-11, 1:53 PM

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I was comparing the movie to the manga the whole time. Unless you've read the manga, I guarantee the movie will be hard for you to understand. They removed A LOT of the characters and events that happened in the manga as well. The animation was really well done, but when it came to the story I was disappointed that they took out so many of the great parts.
 
04-18-11, 7:26 PM

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Has nothing to do with being bad in english,the ending would be a mess in any language..lol

I still don't get it though...If Kasumi died isn't shizuku the one that's alive? why does she refer to her self as kasumi?
 
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