Possibly a plothole

Minagatachi said:
Let me ask you this, is it a plothole that Shanks scared away a Sea King in the first episode? He was standing in the water so it was obvious that he didn't have a Devil Fruit, how could he have possibly done it? Oh, that's right, Haki. Still a plothole though, because it took too long for Haki to be formally introduced.

lupadim said:
So what if it took too long? That's not a plothole if it was explained later on.

Kuma and his bullshitty powers will NEVER be explained. It should have been explained before Kuma lost his memory. Now it doesn't even matter anymore.

Minagatachi said:
lupadim is time traveler confirmed.

If that's true though, that's a loose-end, not a plothole.

lupadim said:
DIdn't you say that it wouldn't be a plothole anymore when Oda explained it? Facepalm

tr1ckst3r said:
Keyword is the conversation between Shirohige and Roger.
Roger said "should I tell you [b]HOW[/b] to get to Raftel?

Minagatachi said:
Note how I said "probably", I never said it was guaranteed that he'd explain it. I'm just pointing out that it is pointless to complain about plotholes until the end of the series as it is highly possible that we are just missing a vital piece of information. And in this case, if we never get that information it's a loose-end, because we never learned exactly how Kuma's ability functions.

Can you guarantee that in a few years time I won't be able to come back, necro this thread and completely shut you down with updated information from a new chapter? Innocent until proven guilty.

lupadim said:
Yes, I can guarantee it.

Innocent until proven guilty? Please. It is way easier to prove that someone is guilty. So, guilty until proven innocent.

sunnyphoenix said:


omg please stop u are making my tummy hurt...

u dont even know what a plot hole is.... u are in no position to call anyone guilty....

your whole thinking is wrong i dont even know where to start....

lupadim said:
You don't know where to start from because there is no starting point. My logic has a solid base. My theory is correct. And you are the one who doesn't knows what a plothole is apparently.

sunnyphoenix said:
You don't know where to start from because there is no starting point. My logic has a solid base. My theory is correct. And you are the one who doesn't knows what a plothole is apparently.

tr1ckst3r said:
the point is, HOW THE FUCK did Kuma not sending them to Raftel being a plothole?

tr1ckst3r said:
the point is, HOW THE FUCK did Kuma not sending them to Raftel being a plothole?

lupadim said:
The plothole is not exactly the fact Kuma didn't send them to Raftel.

It's more the fact that he never sent anyone (including himself) to there. He is like a huge teleport-to-raftel machine and no one even cares.

tr1ckst3r said:

he can't send people to a place he don't know where.
simple right?

rickylrico said:
Lemme just post this here...:
"A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline." ~Wikipedia

lupadim said:
That creates a new plothole. The fact he sent Luffy and his crew to training places without even visiting those places. "He did visit them" no he didn't because Boa Hancock said Luffy was the first man on her island.

lupadim said:
Exactly. Thanks for teaching them what is a plothole.

Grunbeld said:
why not use it to facilitate travel anywhere?

Minagatachi said:
"that cannot be reconciled with any explanation" - This can be reconciled with an explanation, therefore you're the one that doesn't know what a plothole is.

lupadim said:
As I explained before, no matter what explanation is given, it will still be a contradiction.

Consider the following:
- Kuma has the power to send people flying for an APPARENTLY unlimited distance (it is said that some people were never seen again after being touched by Kuma)
- He sent each one of Luffy's crew to a Island so that they could train and get stronger
- Many pirates would be interested on his power to reach Raftel

So why doesn't Kuma send them to Raftel?

Theory A: He needs to have visited the place
Why is it wrong: Kuma never visited Boa Hancock's Island, because she said Luffy was the first one to step there

[bTheory B: He needs to know where the place is
Why is it wrong:[/b] If he only knew the general location of the Islands, he wouldn't be able to know if they were a good place for Luffy's crew to train. Sending people to unknown Islands in the world of One Piece is the same as sentencing them to death, because Islands may have unknown dangers. In other words, that would imply Kuma did try to kill Luffy and his friends when he sent them to Islands that he (Kuma) did not even visit or know what inhabited them. But why did he protect their ship and waited for like 2 years then?

Conclusion: P L O T H O L E

lupadim said:
long comment about the RoughTell thing

lupadim said:
As I explained before, no matter what explanation is given, it will still be a contradiction.

Consider the following:
- Kuma has the power to send people flying for an APPARENTLY unlimited distance (it is said that some people were never seen again after being touched by Kuma)
- He sent each one of Luffy's crew to a Island so that they could train and get stronger
- Many pirates would be interested on his power to reach Raftel

So why doesn't Kuma send them to Raftel?

Theory A: He needs to have visited the place
Why is it wrong: Kuma never visited Boa Hancock's Island, because she said Luffy was the first one to step there

[bTheory B: He needs to know where the place is
Why is it wrong:[/b] If he only knew the general location of the Islands, he wouldn't be able to know if they were a good place for Luffy's crew to train. Sending people to unknown Islands in the world of One Piece is the same as sentencing them to death, because Islands may have unknown dangers. In other words, that would imply Kuma did try to kill Luffy and his friends when he sent them to Islands that he (Kuma) did not even visit or know what inhabited them. But why did he protect their ship and waited for like 2 years then?

Conclusion: P L O T H O L E

lupadim said:
Theory A: He needs to have visited the place
Why is it wrong: Kuma never visited Boa Hancock's Island, because she said Luffy was the first one to step there

lupadim said:
[bTheory B: He needs to know where the place is
Why is it wrong: If he only knew the general location of the Islands, he wouldn't be able to know if they were a good place for Luffy's crew to train. Sending people to unknown Islands in the world of One Piece is the same as sentencing them to death, because Islands may have unknown dangers. In other words, that would imply Kuma did try to kill Luffy and his friends when he sent them to Islands that he (Kuma) did not even visit or know what inhabited them. But why did he protect their ship and waited for like 2 years then?

JD2411 said:

I never thought me of all people would be defending One Piece

ChikyuTenshi said:

Conclusion: P L O T H O L E

For God's Sake, We Don't Even Know How Kuma's Ability Work In The First Place Let Alone Making Conclusion That It's A Plothole

Let's Say That "Theory A" Is False,

"Theory B" States That He Should Only Know The Location Right? What Are Your Proof That He Never Visited Kuraigana Island, Boin Archipelago, Weatheria, Momoiro Island, Torino Kingdom, Tequila Wolf, Karakuri Island And Namakura Island?

jal90 said:
With Luffy it did -just reread it and yep, it qualifies as an instance of Conqueror's Haki, I only remembered the giant bull running away but not falling- but not with Shanks. Fundamentally, because we don't see the Sea King fainting. He simply orders the monster to get lost.

Anyway. Haki or not. I reread that part as well and it doesn't qualify for me as a plothole. The fact is that Shanks' arm is taken off before he makes use of his power. It is taken off when he focuses his efforts on saving Luffy. Haki as has been shown so far is not a permanent stat, it is, rather, a power that emerges from a state of concentration in fight.

tr1ckst3r said:
Luffy said it himself that Haki is used by many people and one of those people that he saw using Haki is Shanks.
That power that Shanks used to drive away that monster is Haki according to the One Piece world itself.

and I'm at loss of word to people that say "why don't just send them to Raftel if he can send them to a various Island?" as a plot hole
is this the best you can do in pointing out One Piece plot hole?

Humza_96 said:
People need to remember that Kuma hits them there. He doesn't use teleportation. If he knows where the location is roughly he can send someone there. There is no plothole.

lupadim said:
The only possibility is that Kuma threw them to random Islands. But that would be the same as killing them, because in One Piece there are unknown dangers on unknown Islands , so he would be basically sentencing each person to death if he was sending them to random Islands. How can you call that "saving them"? He had to be aware of each danger in each Island before sending them.

lupadim said:
The only possibility is that Kuma threw them to random Islands. But that would be the same as killing them, because in One Piece there are unknown dangers on unknown Islands , so he would be basically sentencing each person to death if he was sending them to random Islands. How can you call that "saving them"? He had to be aware of each danger in each Island before sending them.

short_review said:


If someone were to shoot a laser through your head and someone else gave you the possibility to fly randomly somewhere in the world what would you choose?

For most of the distinations you can assume it was just a gamble.

lupadim said:
Mihawk would easily defeat Kizaru in a fight.

SuperRed said:

What?

lupadim said:
If you watch the movies, you will see that Kizaru fights a lot whiel using a light sword. The thing is, Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world, it's an easy victory for him.

jpem said:
We've seen vice admirals pretty close to Amazon Lily before. Just because Kuma hasn't been on the island itself doesn't mean he hasn't been near it or on it secretly.

One other possibility is his Pacifista modifications. Pacifisita's obviously have a lot of world relevant data stored inside them since they can bring up info on detected pirates. It wouldn't be too far fetched to say that this info was available to Kuma at the time since he was almost entirely converted and that the database contained info on islands known by the WG.

As for not being 100% sure they would train. Chopper brought that up way before you.




The characters haven't forgotten how weird it was and the author hasn't forgotten either. Pretty reasonable to expect an explanation sometime in the future so please let this die already.

lupadim said:
Now this is a real explanation.

You're right in the end.

It is perfectly plausible that Kuma would use a "computer" on his head to calculate the best location for each one of Luffy's crew.

Minagatachi said:
Almost everything jpem said has already been stated in this thread, other than the theory that Kuma might have Pacifista information in his brain. It was already stated many times in the thread that it isn't a plothole and it is waiting to be explained. We also established ages ago that Kuma probably knew where the island is but hadn't actually visited it.

Honestly, the only thing jpem's comment accomplished in this thread that no one else had was bringing up the fact that Kuma might have had Pacifista information in his brain (which I never even came close to thinking of, props), provide a panel directly from the manga that was backing up his argument and then simplify all the things that have been said on many occasions so your simple brain could understand what was being said.

lupadim said:
That creates a new plothole. The fact he sent Luffy and his crew to training places without even visiting those places. "He did visit them" no he didn't because Boa Hancock said Luffy was the first man on her island.

Celestrial2 said:


kuma is definitely much older than hancock + she could have just not known

Humza_96 said:
[Kumas power can be explained. It has been explained to you like 10 times in this thread, yet you seem to ignore the posts which are explaining it to you. I wonder why.

lupadim said:
I did read the explanations, but the problem is that they don't suffice the plothole.

The only explanation that was good is the theory that Kuma has some "extra" intelligence, which is a result from the investigation of other members of the marine. He used that data do determine the best landing points for each one of Luffy's crew. THAT theory is fine.

Humza_96 said:
So if you acknowledge that theory and say its fine why are you still calling it a plothole?