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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I kind of suspected that the neighbor would take the land from the beginning.. It hadkind of a Jean de Florette type feeling to it. I liked it, especially that Enma Ai was still around at the end and that she had a computer. |
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| I was glad when she didn't pull it, but then the open-endedness made me worry for Yuuko. She might pull it in the end after all. |
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| wow its messed p she should have keep the farm... |
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| Such an ambiguous ending. >.< That bastard is the worst! |
| Great episode |
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| This was so amazing omg. |
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| I am with Tsugumi on the Jigoku Shoujo issue. Her dad needs to stop trying to convince strangers to not take revenge. They have no reason to listen to them, and in most cases he doesn't even understand their situation. He is starting to get on my nerves by trying to stop Ai every time. Other than that, nice episode aha. |
| That's why way-too-friendly neighbors are bad O.o .. |
| hmm.. this is the first time hajime was annoying .. she should have pulled the string this time ... eventhough I like the idea that finally they didnt and in cases its not always right .. but I think this was .. now she is out of her precious house ... and the neighbour got what he wanted |
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| I understand what Tsugumi is saying but she needs to pay more attention to the fact that these ppl go to hell TOO after making the covenant. Esp since this girl was her friend wth. |
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| So sad... Her life will be like hell from now on, until she dies. On the other side, if she pulled the string she would have been doomed for good. And she would be in the situation of the geezer from 13th episode. She would live only to wait for Hell to come. This kind of dramatic episodes make this anime so great. |
MeritasDec 25, 2010 2:36 PM
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| that bastard should go to hell. oh welll, she didnt pull the string |
| Most of the people in the series really should go to Hell....but how many of them have been worth going to Hell just to send the other person? Perhaps the last resort, saving your life ones but the rest seem kinda :/ Anyway, really loving this series. |
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GarLogan78 said: I am with Tsugumi on the Jigoku Shoujo issue. Her dad needs to stop trying to convince strangers to not take revenge. They have no reason to listen to them, and in most cases he doesn't even understand their situation. He is starting to get on my nerves by trying to stop Ai every time. Other than that, nice episode aha. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. |
| Tsugumi has gone from cute, innocent girl to a sadistic, cruel one. :( Hajime is a bro. I'm cheering him on from the sides! He's not the best at stating his case though, sometimes. XD |
| alright, so i was kinda with hajime in a couple of episodes of not pulling the strings but now he doesn't seem to solve the problem for them he simply says don't pull it and pretending to understand the person that was tormented his really pissing me off now ==" its true what Tsugumi said he makes it sound like w.e bad happen to the person doesn't matter, at least do something to help not 'i understand how you feel'... |
| tsugumi is annoying me.. and not her father she needs to think about that you also go to hell when you take revenge |
| Someone kill Hajime please!!! |
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| I'm on Hajime's side to be honest, and he's the only reason I'm still watching this show. You shouldn't try to justify doing the wrong thing. Just think about it, the asshole will go to hell anyway, why should an innocent person follow? |
| Poor Wanyuudo. The poor dude couldn't catch a break this episode, could he? |
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| hmm. its an intresting one.. but i kinda have to agree with Hajime, although yes he is annoying and going about this all the time, in this epiisode he was rather forceful by taking the straw doll away and throwing it in the water... i agree with what most people are saying, he needs to stop being all 'revenge is wrong, and not the only opintion blah blah' but focus on the fact that your going to hell too... alot of the episodes especially the ones where people have died, and they then take revenge on the killer.... Dont they stop to think... right okay, yes im pissed off!! yes, i hate him and he deserves to go to hell... but wouldn't it be better knowing that when you did pass on you could be with your loved one or whatever in heaven? rather than spending a lifetime of burning in hell? D: |
| Hajime is skilled as an investigative reporter, and as is such, he's able to find the revenge-seeker and discern their situation very quickly, and is able to do so with only Tsugumi's account of a short series of images and lines of dialogue. But damn, he's the last person in the world I'd want to counsel me. I couldn't agree more with his philosophy -- nothing in the physical world is worth sending both yourself and another person, deserving or not, to an eternity of torment in Hell. Hajime has every right to intrude upon these people's lives. And, mind you, I'm saying this as a strong libertarian, mainly because nothing in real life compares to Hell as presented in Jigoku Shoujo. But Hajime needs to rethink his anti-revenge pitch, like many here have suggested. Turn the focus to the revenge-seekers themselves spending an eternity in Hell. He also has no business slapping Tsugumi -- and if she weren't so precocious, I would question using her as a Jigoku Shoujo tracking device to begin with. |
| nice episode IMO she should have pulled it, though the ending more or less makes it that she'll contact hell girl once more to take eventually revenge! |
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| I wouldn't pull the string, because her father would never want her daughter to suffer in hell w/o any parole . At least at life, she can still make it big and create happiness for herself. Bit surprise why Hajime did not tell his daughter that. No father would want their children to exact revenge, that cause a backlash like going to hell. |
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| TALK ABOUT AN IMPROVEMENT. considering the abominable pile of excrement that was the previous episode, this episode is a veritable masterpiece all by itself! this episode has everything i've been waiting for: a genuinely interesting and moving backstory for the (potential) revenge-taker; finally someone who DIDN'T PULL THE STRING; hajime finally slapping that annoying and precocious child of his who treats the idea of hell with such laissez-faire ease that (as a few have already noted) she ends up seeming sadistic and cold. just. what an episode! seeing how the last few episodes (20 left aside and eternally suppressed) have been hit and miss (for example, that corgi episode was just dreadful until the older woman's being a genuine murderer was revealed) i'm ecstatic that the series is finally delivering again. hopefully i haven't jinxed myself for episode 22 by thinking that now... |
| Once again, I end this episode conflicted. I want to be on hajime's side, but these bastards are so evil that they certainly deserve to be sent to hell. Even so, even for someone who seems horrible, lots of times they are misguided and they can come back to the side of good. If you think about it, an eternity in hell isn't just a few years, a whole life, 10 lives or even 100 lives, but much much more. There's really not very many things that can justify sending one soul to eternal damnation, much less two souls... |
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| So the show finally gives an episode where someone doesn't pull the string and it ends up leaving the viewer with a bitter taste in their mouth, lol. Also, I agree with everyone who says Hajime is approaching his argument wrong. I bet his daughter would have agreed with him if he brought up the fact that her friend would go to hell too. |
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OriginANIME said: 1 - Hajime needs to mind his own business! Seriously! 2 - How dare he slap Tsugumi! Not normal parenting? She really shouldn't have pulled it at the end it's not like she could get the land back. Interesting episode though. |
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| Hajime is completely in the right, and even if there were no consequences for the person pulling the string, he'd still be right. No finite crime can possibly deserve an infinite punishment, and the problems presented are often solvable without resorting to supernatural means. However, since no one in this show (or indeed much of the audience judging by these threads) seems to want to think about that Hajime should seriously focus on the whole part about the person being avenged going to hell too. The few decades they get left on this earth with the object of their revenge banished are going to start looking pretty fucking insignificant after the first hundred thousand million billion trillion centuries of torture they themselves will be subjected to, with an infinitely higher amount to look forward to. Hell, they'll regret it after the first ten seconds of burning in hellfire, most of them can't even handle the little preview they're sometimes treated to when Ai explains the contract to them. This whole thing is a massive obstacle to my enjoyment of the show, I really have to fight my brain to look past it. Another angle is that we know in this world that both Heaven and Hell exist, assuming the system isn't totally fucked up, Yuko's father is in Heaven waiting for her, if Yuko goes through with the contract she'll never be reuinited with her father and he will have to know that his daughter is suffering eternally because of her desire to help him, so she'd be consigning her father to another form of hell entirely. |
TopgunUKMar 8, 2013 8:33 AM
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| interesting episode we might see her back since we saw her looking at the pc. I got a feeling that Tsugumi will sent Hajime to hell in the future all thought I dont know why. 1 - Hajime needs to mind his own business! Seriously! 2 - How dare he slap Tsugumi! Nvaier said: I'm on Hajime's side to be honest, and he's the only reason I'm still watching this show. You shouldn't try to justify doing the wrong thing. Just think about it, the asshole will go to hell anyway, why should an innocent person follow? if some one pulls the string you can't call that person innocent. |
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| I totally agree with Hajime. Revenging that way is futile. I do not agree Hajime's ways on imposing his thoughts. I like Tsugumi, and I agree with her too. Taking revenge is absolutely right. But Tsugumi, please, think twice, why you have to pay too? I agree with all, but when you let anger possess your mind, and only anger, nothing good comes out. |
| I agree completely with several posters especially TopgunUK. No one seems to even *try* to think past the immediate satisfaction of their current situation and seems to ignore that they would suffer the same once they died. And the one character they have to teach them that does it so terribly that I'm not surprised no one takes his words seriously. He never tries to make them think about themselves or their loved ones that are dead. That, to me, is basically the whole problem with the show. And why Hajime is annoying as crap. Hajime seems to someone who tries to stop Hell Girl because of his ideals than a desire to truly help people. Only once did I get the feeling he wanted to truly help someone. I will give a point for finally having a episode where they didn't untie it, but I do believe Yuko gave in in the end. All it would take is for her to have one bad moment to push her back into doing it. |
| I forgot, but since when did they mentioned that they will suffer (as in torture) eternally in Hell after they died? Fucking slut got her heaven right there. People who said that these bastards shouldn't die/be killed, I wonder what would you have done if you were in her shoes. Hajime's "I-am-so-right!" attitude really pisses me off. I liked him at first but now I just wish I could see one less second of him. Continue preaching. "Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi... Tsugumi..." How about you wait until something really happens to her before you quit? You might feel better that way, I guess? By the way, eternal torture, to be honest, it will just hurt at first, after a while you will get used to it and it won't feel as much of a torture anymore, I think. Edit: Gone__Forever__ said: Yet again, Hajime interrupts Team Hell Girl. Dude, even your daughter thinks that what you're doing is wrong. You'd think he'd get the message (I mean, he even hit poor Tsugumi just for speaking out against him). :I The last sentence, so much truth. What makes Hajime thinks his choice is the right one? He is just mad people are going against him, and had to resort to brute. How about he try to understand Tsugumi, and see from her point of view? Reminds me so much of these users on MAL who don't even try to look things from another's point of view regarding anime/manga. Edit2: I am not saying Hajime is wrong, but he is not right either, neither am I. |
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| I'm on hajimes side completely, Revenge isn't the answer yes you will find assholes in this world and if they commit a sin there'll go to hell anyways and condemning your self to hell along with them is a fucking stupid idea Your life is short but when you die you ether go to hell or heaven depending. Look at it this way If someone dies and they was close to you do you think they'd want you to condemn your self to hell .......What if they was waiting for you in heaven but that wouldn't be possible because your soul belongs to hell. It's the most stupidest thing ever ever.........getting revenge won't bring back the dead and its something your loved ones would never want you to do. Yes I understand there's bastards in this world but life is a short thing and hell is forever, Some of the reasons why some of the characters pulled the sting is stupid reasons or misunderstandings or jealously Like the major he didn't do anything and the twin she was a jealous girl who wanted her own way and she wasn't the one whipping her. And the vet not doing anything for the dog I understand murderers but most of these reason are idiotic .............................Sorry but hajime has a point when you fall pick your self up dust off your self and move on and that's that |
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| Remember kids, unless you sell your soul to the devil and banish people into Hell, only bad things will happen to you as if some poor writer tried to force events around you in a convulated mess! Ps: I hate Tsugumi. |
| Hajime once again throwing a wrench into Hell correspondence's plans. *sigh* I hope Hell Correspondence fucking kicks that dude's ass for getting in the way of everything. |
Aniki1990 said: Felt bad for him. He got thrown away twice.Poor Wanyuudo. The poor dude couldn't catch a break this episode, could he? |
| Someone doesn't pull the string for the first time... Good episode. |
| I can totally see where Hajime is coming from, but it's hard to agree with someone who's trying so hard to shove his ideals down others' throats. If people want to send someone to Hell, he has no right to stop them. They know the consequences of pulling the string, and more often than not (read: basically all the time) the person on the receiving end had it coming and completely deserved it. |
danieltortoisee said: I can totally see where Hajime is coming from, but it's hard to agree with someone who's trying so hard to shove his ideals down others' throats. If people want to send someone to Hell, he has no right to stop them. ^^So it's okay to kill people if someone thinks they deserve it? Cause that's what sending them to Hell is. Killing them. It's a murder, even if those people are bad. I'm really surprised how many people on the comments think that pulling the string is the right choice. I mean, yes.. she had to leave her house but it isn't end of the world. Her dad was already dead, and well I do think that the neighbor was the lowest kind of human and I hate seeing him get away with it, but is it enough reason to sentence yourself for eternity in Hell. I mean, you can think your life sucks now, but at least it wont last forever and you can almost always do something to change your situation. Dead people don't need revenge, they are already gone. It's sad to see Tsugumi and Hajime-chan fighting. I really like both of them. I do question some of the ways Hajime does things, but I do think he is right to stop people pulling the string. There is usually other options to how to deal with things, and in the end getting revenge wont make those people happy and it can't bring back what they've lost. So in the end no one wins. |
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| Really ridiculous that it seems like everyone forgets the part where the person who makes the contract with Ai goes to hell too. Tsugumi should've cared about her friend enough to not want her to pull the string so that she doesn't go to hell. What kind of stupid logic is this that the characters seem to have forgotten such an important aspect of the anime?? |
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