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Aug 29, 2014 11:28 AM
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Often reading the threads on the forum i see how people write if character is going to die as the anime will be better or if someone dies it will give anime 10/10. I do not understand the fascination with wishing death of the character. Most often people want the death of the character just because they did not like it. How could the death of someone makes anime better?
Aug 29, 2014 11:32 AM
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Shock value, hatred of characters, or to prove the characters are mortal?
Aug 29, 2014 11:34 AM
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Because most anime fans are children with garbage taste.
Aug 29, 2014 11:35 AM
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it can provide character development for some characters, which is always nice
Aug 29, 2014 11:36 AM
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Aug 29, 2014 11:37 AM
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Gore means mature. Deaths mean good writing.
Sieg Zeon!
Aug 29, 2014 11:38 AM
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Because I love it when things happen that you don't want to happen when it comes to TV >:D

Aug 29, 2014 11:40 AM
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Look at LOGH and that one death, the anime becomes better after that.
Aug 29, 2014 11:47 AM
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1. They may hate the character.
2. Adds a sense of danger to the show i.e the characters aren't invincible.
3. For the feels (depending on whether the death is done properly or not).
4. May help the other characters grow.

Dunno, this seems easy to figure out.
Aug 29, 2014 11:53 AM

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Red_Keys said:
Because most anime fans are children with garbage taste.
Half of my hentai collection says you'll wish Aoi was dead by the end of Coppelion.
Aug 29, 2014 12:08 PM

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skudoops said:
Adds a sense of danger to the show i.e the characters aren't invincible.
so much that. when an anime character goes through so many life and death situations and still lives, thats bullshit
Aug 29, 2014 12:09 PM

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skudoops said:
1. They may hate the character.
2. Adds a sense of danger to the show i.e the characters aren't invincible.
3. For the feels (depending on whether the death is done properly or not).
4. May help the other characters grow.

Dunno, this seems easy to figure out.


Many people usually want the characters to die simply because they aren't their favorites. They hate a series because the characters don't attract them. They wish death upon the character who is hated by them but is well-liked by others who enjoy the series. When that character dies and a new characters that is well-liked by the haters of the old character appears, unless one of those 4 things you typed happens, the fans of the old characters may start to lose interest in the series. It will make the anime better for the old haters, but will make it worse for the original fans. Eventually, the previous audience will become the haters, and the new audience becomes the fans. In actuality, Death doesn't make the show any better.

Death just replaces the previous audience with a new audience.

It doesn't have to have death to make an anime show awesome, though.
TheCommonMan1Aug 29, 2014 12:38 PM
Rushing to the sound of battle to protect those who can't.
My theme when I'm epic and everyone knows it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9YbzTeekg
My theme when I am in command:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9KzEMqWRFk
My theme when I am going to fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTEK8Nti3_U
Mytheme when warriors like me are no longer needed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wnN_PxUDY
Aug 29, 2014 12:26 PM

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also there are elimination game or battle royale anime like bokurano, dangan ronpa, mirai nikki, btooom, etc where characters dying is one of the main plot points
Aug 29, 2014 12:40 PM

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Because I want my anime to have some self-respect,


How can I ever be invested in action/tension or get a sense of adventure if I know nobody's flgoijg to die? What is the point of the action scene in the first place?


But, this doesn't mean that a show must be edgy like Akame, or make deaths worthless even if real like Naruto (everyone gets a 30 minute finale as if death is politely waiting, death should e abrupt and cold at times)
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Aug 29, 2014 12:41 PM

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Nothing wrong with a little heroic sacrifice to cap off a character's arc
Aug 29, 2014 12:51 PM

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because fairy tail does it without killing anyone. That's why someone dying automatically makes an anime better.
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves,
By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word,
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!''
~Oscar
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Aug 29, 2014 1:03 PM

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Grunbeld said:
Because I want my anime to have some self-respect,


How can I ever be invested in action/tension or get a sense of adventure if I know nobody's flgoijg to die? What is the point of the action scene in the first place?


But, this doesn't mean that a show must be edgy like Akame, or make deaths worthless even if real like Naruto (everyone gets a 30 minute finale as if death is politely waiting, death should e abrupt and cold at times)


Yeah, sometimes its good for some shows, just not all the shows. A good author can turn an abrupt death into something meaningful, too.

Like, if a character praised by other characters and fans was to die abruptly in cruel irony. There is a fake, unlikable "hero" who takes advantage of other due to his popularity. He is worshipped by a kid who believes he is a real hero and does everything to please him. When it comes time to own up to his popularity, the 'hero' swatted and killed like a fly, but before he dies he decides to do one nice thing in his life and save the kid. The kid morns for the 'hero' afterwards and vow to continue the 'hero' legacy and become a real hero, not knowing that the hero was actually not a hero.

This way, the story is morally ambiguous and realistic without making the characters a total jerkass and making the story dark.
TheCommonMan1Aug 29, 2014 1:18 PM
Rushing to the sound of battle to protect those who can't.
My theme when I'm epic and everyone knows it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9YbzTeekg
My theme when I am in command:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9KzEMqWRFk
My theme when I am going to fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTEK8Nti3_U
Mytheme when warriors like me are no longer needed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wnN_PxUDY
Aug 29, 2014 1:13 PM

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it doesnt
Aug 29, 2014 1:14 PM
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cause i laugh
Aug 29, 2014 1:20 PM

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Red_Keys said:
Because most anime fans are children with garbage taste.

This.
Aug 29, 2014 1:21 PM

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0Gintoki_san0 said:
Red_Keys said:
Because most anime fans are children with garbage taste.

This.


But at least their happy.
Rushing to the sound of battle to protect those who can't.
My theme when I'm epic and everyone knows it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9YbzTeekg
My theme when I am in command:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9KzEMqWRFk
My theme when I am going to fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTEK8Nti3_U
Mytheme when warriors like me are no longer needed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wnN_PxUDY
Aug 29, 2014 1:25 PM

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If the death of a character is well executed then it will provoke an emotional response to the viewers. It can also keep the plot rolling (if the anime has become dull and repetitive). In most cases characters undergo a lot of development too.
Aug 29, 2014 1:28 PM

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danae17 said:
If the death of a character is well executed then it will provoke an emotional response to the viewers. It can also keep the plot rolling (if the anime has become dull and repetitive). In most cases characters undergo a lot of development too.


And if it's not well-executed?
Rushing to the sound of battle to protect those who can't.
My theme when I'm epic and everyone knows it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9YbzTeekg
My theme when I am in command:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9KzEMqWRFk
My theme when I am going to fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTEK8Nti3_U
Mytheme when warriors like me are no longer needed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wnN_PxUDY
Aug 29, 2014 1:31 PM

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Its nice to see some deaths
Aug 29, 2014 1:31 PM

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They don't, but according to some people "Death = Mature", no matter how retarded, worthless and stupid it's done. For a recent example, see some of the episode discussions of Akame ga Kill!.

Grunbeld said:
How can I ever be invested in action/tension or get a sense of adventure if I know nobody's flgoijg to die? What is the point of the action scene in the first place?


Dude, are you drunk?
Aug 29, 2014 1:33 PM

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TheCommonMan1 said:
Grunbeld said:
Because I want my anime to have some self-respect,


How can I ever be invested in action/tension or get a sense of adventure if I know nobody's flgoijg to die? What is the point of the action scene in the first place?


But, this doesn't mean that a show must be edgy like Akame, or make deaths worthless even if real like Naruto (everyone gets a 30 minute finale as if death is politely waiting, death should e abrupt and cold at times)


Yeah, sometimes its good for some shows, just not all the shows. A good author can turn an abrupt death into something meaningful, too.

Like, if a character praised by other characters and fans was to die abruptly in cruel irony. There is a fake, unlikable "hero" who takes advantage of other due to his popularity. He is worshipped by a kid who believes he is a real hero and does everything to please him. When it comes time to own up to his popularity, the 'hero' swatted and killed like a fly, but before he dies he decides to do one nice thing in his life and save the kid. The kid morns for the 'hero' afterwards and vow to continue the 'hero' legacy and become a real hero, not knowing that the hero was actually not a hero.

This way, the story is morally ambiguous and realistic without making the characters a total jerkass and making the story dark.



Yeah, it's actually sad knowing they never got to make up with their loved ones or fulfilling some goal

yhunata said:
They don't, but according to some people "Death = Mature", no matter how retarded, worthless and stupid it's done. For a recent example, see some of the episode discussions of Akame ga Kill!.

Grunbeld said:
How can I ever be invested in action/tension or get a sense of adventure if I know nobody's flgoijg to die? What is the point of the action scene in the first place?


Dude, are you drunk?


Fuck.
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Aug 29, 2014 1:34 PM

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TheCommonMan1 said:
danae17 said:
If the death of a character is well executed then it will provoke an emotional response to the viewers. It can also keep the plot rolling (if the anime has become dull and repetitive). In most cases characters undergo a lot of development too.


And if it's not well-executed?


If so then it's meaningless. For example, there was such a death in AgK at some point and it almost made me laugh. If it cannot be executed well and make you feel smth then they shouldn't do it at all.
Aug 29, 2014 1:36 PM
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Yes, TTGL is an example. Ever since 'he' died, the show was less-annoying.
Aug 29, 2014 2:47 PM
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I think it's because it makes it more realistic. Death is an important part of reality, isn't it? It's too immature if good guys defeat bad guys with the power of friendship and they lived happily ever after with no loss at all.
Also, not everything in reality goes as you want and putting this in an anime or a tv show in general adds a bit more immersion.
Aug 29, 2014 2:56 PM

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I'd also like to point out that the majority of anti-death folk argue for the sake of defending their own series, which happen to be the big 3, fairy tail, etc, rather than genuinely being anti-death.

Just my observation.
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Aug 29, 2014 3:12 PM

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Grunbeld said:


But, this doesn't mean that a show must be edgy like Akame, or make deaths worthless even if real like Naruto (everyone gets a 30 minute finale as if death is politely waiting, death should e abrupt and cold at times)


ehehe, no

the process of death is actually more complicated and can be caused for various reasons. it should not be in just one way.

Aug 29, 2014 3:17 PM

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Apparently you don't know what "at times" means.


As for the spoiler, would have appreciated the former if it weren't some cheap shocl value, tasteless death, edgy too. I said abrupt, not... Pull an absent character out of butt after 60 eps just to kill him after 60 eps.
Also deaths in naruto hardly have an effect thanks to bad execution.
I mean as that death occured we got 10 as many BS revivals....
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Aug 29, 2014 3:23 PM

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Death gives other surviving characters more motivation to do something else (see: Major, Cross Game, Attack on Titan)
Aug 29, 2014 3:29 PM

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Grunbeld said:
Apparently you don't know what "at times" means.


As for the spoiler, would have appreciated the former if it weren't some cheap shocl value, tasteless death, edgy too.


e.e



Grunbeld said:
I said abrupt, not... Pull an absent character out of butt after 60 eps just to kill him after 60 eps.


those two things are not opposite of each other. they can even be applied in the same instance. i don't understand what your point is.

Grunbeld said:
Also deaths in naruto hardly have an effect thanks to bad execution.


e.e... the deaths are usually the cause of everything. as in they effect everything.

Grunbeld said:
I mean as that death occured we got 10 as many BS revivals....


nope. this is false.
Aug 29, 2014 3:29 PM
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TheCommonMan1 said:

Death just replaces the previous audience with a new audience.

It doesn't have to have death to make an anime show awesome, though.


That's true only when the deaths are terribly executed. I agree that an anime doesn't need death to be enjoyable, but certain types of action anime need it to keep up the tension. Everyone leaving unscathed every time removes any tension that the show may possibly have. Obviously stuff like Ippo doesn't need death but something like Magi certainly does.

On a side note despite what people say akame ga kill uses it properly, it's just that it happens too fast.
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Yes, TTGL is an example. Ever since 'he' died, the show was less-annoying.

And DN is a counter-example then. Ever since 'he' died, the show was less interesting.
Aug 29, 2014 4:55 PM

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skudoops said:
TheCommonMan1 said:

Death just replaces the previous audience with a new audience.

It doesn't have to have death to make an anime show awesome, though.


That's true only when the deaths are terribly executed. I agree that an anime doesn't need death to be enjoyable, but certain types of action anime need it to keep up the tension. Everyone leaving unscathed every time removes any tension that the show may possibly have. Obviously stuff like Ippo doesn't need death but something like Magi certainly does.

On a side note despite what people say akame ga kill uses it properly, it's just that it happens too fast.


But death is not needed if people already enjoy it. If it's not needed that means that something else is attracting the audience to the anime other than the battles and suspense, and as long as that core aspect is there, it's target audience is going to keep enjoying it. Maybe not to the degree when the show first started, but it will still keep people coming back for more.
Rushing to the sound of battle to protect those who can't.
My theme when I'm epic and everyone knows it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9YbzTeekg
My theme when I am in command:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9KzEMqWRFk
My theme when I am going to fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTEK8Nti3_U
Mytheme when warriors like me are no longer needed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wnN_PxUDY
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Yeah all his movies have been better since Satoshi Kon died.


But seriously, I rate Akame ga Kill episodes like this:
Number of people who were introduced and then died this episode/10
So do the math and tell if if deaths would improve the show even more.
(Yes they would)

Also there are shows like Pupa that show that drama only feels real when people die with gore. Otherwise it's silly like K-On and doesn't feel realistic.

My ideal show would be an episodic show where the main character always dies at the end of the episode (ideally with gore) and any attempts at plot never have a chance to take off. Kickstarter?
I probably regret this post by now.
Aug 29, 2014 5:10 PM

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-add shock value to watchers
-potential other character's development
-character dying actually give impact to the watchers
-it make watchers curious to know what will happen next
-chance to make other character shines
-for the feels
-trolling
Aug 29, 2014 5:12 PM

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It doesn't using death to setup a story is a pretty uncreative and lazy move.
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Aug 29, 2014 5:14 PM

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I'll take a card from RedLetterMedia:

Good writers use death sparingly to develop and extensively tell a story.

Bad writers use a story sparingly to develop and extensively portray death.
Aug 29, 2014 5:47 PM

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more character development on others
but if character is a main and hasnt shown anything when killed, then the anime will be hated and mostly wont get good profit
Aug 30, 2014 8:46 AM

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Shock valiue

a good example IMO is

Dangan Ronpa 1 Spoilers



I thought they were going to be the MC's side kick the whole game or anime.
Aug 30, 2014 8:50 AM

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When annoying characters die I become happy but that'll never happen because only good characters die.
Aug 30, 2014 9:54 AM

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Because it means the anime doesn't have plot armor were it seems like none of the main cast is in real danger, it's more intense when you know anyone can die.
Aug 30, 2014 10:20 AM

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kasai9000 said:
only good characters die.


Not true, Mami died and it was glorious.

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