Now for the record: I'm a Christian through and through but I myself would not know if these added volumes are legitimately heavenly sent or just some sinners trying to earn money or simply just being mischievous What exactly excludes previous volumes from this suspicion? |
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DerpHole said: Because the Bible says so.Now for the record: I'm a Christian through and through but I myself would not know if these added volumes are legitimately heavenly sent or just some sinners trying to earn money or simply just being mischievous What exactly excludes previous volumes from this suspicion? |
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ElectricPrune said: what if God decides to instruct a few loyal followers to write another testament to add to the Bible. This being the 21st century it would be interesting to see how (upon publication) it is received, don't you think so?. well do you think that would actually be added to the bible or just a new book? there are plenty of spiritual books around these days and some of them are actually really good, it's not all just self-help hooey. Be Here Now for instance...that book is awesome or another possibility is that in the modern age you wouldn't write a holy book you would like, make a movie or an anime or something that will actually reach people more easily. |
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Korrvo said: Wasn't there a verse somewhere in the New Testament that said there wouldn't be anymore additions to it or something? My knowledge of the bible is rusty af The bible is the most unoriginal piece of shit I have ever watched, seriously. What the fuck. Especially S2. They just crammed in a lot of supernatural clusterfuck cliches and tried to wing it somehow by keeping it to hurr durr savior of the universe. It doesn't help that this piece of shit having yaoi implications and fanservice such as washing feet and holding hands, indirect kissing by wine cup and shit. And you know the worst part? MC is a gary stu immortal zombie shit that somehow manages to win in the end. Then there's the 2deep4u shit that is revelations. clearly a ripoff. Shitty end of the world. Also all those side stories and unreliable narrator. And did i mention the fans? Holy shit, the level of fanfiction,speculation and figs ruin the anime industry. Don't forget the waifu faggotry on this shit. God that's so intense. 1/10 made me rage |
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Lime_ said: 10/10 idea, 6/10 execution.Korrvo said: Wasn't there a verse somewhere in the New Testament that said there wouldn't be anymore additions to it or something? My knowledge of the bible is rusty af The bible is the most unoriginal piece of shit I have ever watched, seriously. What the fuck. Especially S2. They just crammed in a lot of supernatural clusterfuck cliches and tried to wing it somehow by keeping it to hurr durr savior of the universe. It doesn't help that this piece of shit having yaoi implications and fanservice such as washing feet and holding hands, indirect kissing by wine cup and shit. And you know the worst part? MC is a gary stu immortal zombie shit that somehow manages to win in the end. Then there's the 2deep4u shit that is revelations. clearly a ripoff. Shitty end of the world. Also all those side stories and unreliable narrator. And did i mention the fans? Holy shit, the level of fanfiction,speculation and figs ruin the anime industry. Don't forget the waifu faggotry on this shit. God that's so intense. 1/10 made me rage |
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euphoriia said: a "Hypnotically situation"?? You mean a hypothetical situation? The man means what he says, don't question him. Anyway, the Bible says something along the lines of false prophets, people claiming to be Messiahs, etc. So a fake 3rd testament is sure to pop up some time. |
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| We've already seen what happens when someone adds onto the bible. They just end up becoming a new religion like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Muslims. Hell even Christianity is an add-on. |
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| Who has the competence to declare what is prophetic? How do we know that an ancient document, claiming to be a prophecy, was written by a true prophet? How do we know it wasn't a forgery? How can it be demonstrated? If such an event was to occur again, how can you prove that the word of god is being channeled through said person? |
| "as we all should know" this is so offensive. what if the bible is not my sacrosanct text? |
| There's plenty of non-canonical texts that should be considered before thinking of hypothetical additions. These are books that would have been in the bible but were cast aside for one reason or another. I'm not really interested in ancient politics though, always just about some dude bending the truth to gain power through the use of omission, hyperbole, and other writing techniques. |
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ElectricPrune said: OnlyEpix said: I'd assume it'd be added just as the old and new testament are joined, I don't think this matters all that much, but for convenience all together would be preferred.well do you think that would actually be added to the bible or just a new book? there are plenty of spiritual books around these days and some of them are actually really good, it's not all just self-help hooey. Be Here Now for instance...that book is awesome or another possibility is that in the modern age you wouldn't write a holy book you would like, make a movie or an anime or something that will actually reach people more easily. "Reach people more easily". The bible is one of the most widespread distributed book in the world, translated into all popular languages and to top it off it is even the most stolen book as well, they shouldn't do that though.... Uhm, self help books are just that, religion is religion. actually its a very fine line between self help and religion sometimes. i don't have a problem w/ that and like i said the better stuff is NOT like a Steve Harvey 'how to be a success' book but it WILL have stuff in it about how to be self actualized and self realized, of course. Eckhart Tolle is yet another example... i'm just sayin i think that there are lots of divinely isnpired works, it seems like making an addition to the bible would be a confusion if anything, where as a totally new or original work could accomplish the same thing. Like if i were God i'd definitely be trying to get people to make as-yet unseen things... |
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Aerodust said: Who has the competence to declare what is prophetic? How do we know that an ancient document, claiming to be a prophecy, was written by a true prophet? How do we know it wasn't a forgery? How can it be demonstrated? If such an event was to occur again, how can you prove that the word of god is being channeled through said person? God has the "competence". As for your last question, I've already said that I'm not sure how I would react.[/quote] God having "competence" doesn't prove much of anything, though. I'm talking about who (As in a person) has the worldly authority to declare something divine? By saying God has the competence you are implying that the Church should recognize as authoritative any book that is self evidently so. The Gospel of Thomas and the Revelation of Paul never made it into New Testament canon, despite both containing "thus saith the Lord". How do you explain this? |
Aerodust said: God having "competence" doesn't prove much of anything, though. I'm talking about who (As in a person) has the worldly authority to declare something divine? Probably the pope... or maybe the cardinals could convene some kind of conclave to determine whether or not something is divine... I have no idea though. |
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DerpHole said: This is the problem with religion. Belief in an infallible God is fairly benign, belief in a person who is infallible due to a claimed association with God is dangerous. If the church taught about some of the kinky shit some of their Popes got up too people wouldn't think the position was so holy.Aerodust said: God having "competence" doesn't prove much of anything, though. I'm talking about who (As in a person) has the worldly authority to declare something divine? Probably the pope... or maybe the cardinals could convene some kind of conclave to determine whether or not something is divine... I have no idea though. |
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ElectricPrune said: SamuelLJackson said: Are you trolling? What do you mean by "Christianity is an add-on"? And I'm a little curious about the "muslim" one too.We've already seen what happens when someone adds onto the bible. They just end up becoming a new religion like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Muslims. Hell even Christianity is an add-on. Well first off, if you think Christianity and Islam are original religions you are horribly mistaken. To abridge the evolution of mainstream Western Civ religions, almost everyone of them has steamed from Judaism by adding on in some way or another. Eventually Christianity made it's way onto the scene. First there were the Orthodox Christians, then from there steamed the religions of Catholicism and Islam, and ever since hundreds of religions have steamed from all of them. In this sense they are add-ons to their predecessors. |
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| Believe it or not, there are other "testaments". Case in point are the Muslims who believe that Mohammed was only the latest in a long list of prophets, including such big names as Jesus, David, and Moses. Likewise, there's the Mormons who see the writings of Joseph Smith as an extension of the Bible. It's just that the Christian faiths don't recognize these books, in the same way that the Jews don't recognize the New Testament of the Bible. Of course, if you dismiss those as being false prophets, there's always the Coptic Church, based in Egypt, that has an extended edition of the New Testament, with contributions by Judas and Mary Magdalene, among many others. These are a recognized Christian sect, just like Catholics and the Orthodox Church. |
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ElectricPrune said: Nonyflah said: Yes I'm aware of these. Thanks for adding depth to the topic but this does not add anything.Believe it or not, there are other "testaments". Case in point are the Muslims who believe that Mohammed was only the latest in a long list of prophets, including such big names as Jesus, David, and Moses. Likewise, there's the Mormons who see the writings of Joseph Smith as an extension of the Bible. It's just that the Christian faiths don't recognize these books, in the same way that the Jews don't recognize the New Testament of the Bible. Of course, if you dismiss those as being false prophets, there's always the Coptic Church, based in Egypt, that has an extended edition of the New Testament, with contributions by Judas and Mary Magdalene, among many others. These are a recognized Christian sect, just like Catholics and the Orthodox Church. And that's where I'm forced to disagree. If you want to see how people will react to a Third Testament, you only have to look at these previous cases. As far as the followers of these religions are concerned, the new books are the word of God and nothing can shake that belief. At the same time, we have traditionalists who question the books and continue following the old ways. That's why we still have Judaism despite the presence of Islam and Christianity. You'll either trust the book and convert or you won't and claim that it's written by the Devil or a shyster. Islam is an offshoot from Judaism? This is the first I've heard this. Mohammed did take quite a bit of inspiration from both the Jewish and Christian faiths, naming a good number of characters from their holy books. Mary even has a whole chapter dedicated to her in the Qur'an. |
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| Not gonna happen: "18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll." Revelations 22: 18 - 19 |
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ElectricPrune said: they both pray to God. Every religion prays to a god. That's not much of a reason to call them similar. The two religions have been separated for roughly 1000 years. ElectricPrune said: Then comes Allah who is an entirely different entity. Islam is an offshoot from Judaism? This is the first I've heard this. Allah is not a separate entity. The God worshiped by most religions in Western Civ goes by many names. In Christianity the name is God. In Judaism it is Yahweh or Jehovah, and in Islam it is Allah. Although going by different names and being in different religions they are all the same deity. In fact all of these religions, to include Islam and it's sub-categories, are guided by the Old Testament. Islam even goes as far as to have much of the new testament in it's holy book, the Quran. The story of Moses (Musa in Arabic) can be found in the Quran, as can the story of Jesus (Isa in Arabic) Just as Moses and Jesus go by different names in different languages and religions, so does God, but they are in fact the same stories and the same religious texts. |
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SamuelLJackson said: NoElectricPrune said: they both pray to God. Every religion prays to a god. |
Villa-Lobos said: SamuelLJackson said: NoEvery religion prays to a god. Name one that does not. |
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SamuelLJackson said: BudismVilla-Lobos said: No Name one that does not. |
Villa-Lobos said: SamuelLJackson said: BudismName one that does not. I expected you'd say that. First, It's called Buddhism*. Second, they recite scripture, and why recite scripture unless you believe someone is listening. Third, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_prayer_beads key word "prayer" |
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SamuelLJackson said: I just Ctrl+F'd "god" in that page and found 0 results. Sorry for being lazy, what god does buddhism prays to? Examples other than budhism include: Confucianism, Taoism, Shintoism, Jainism, CI expected you'd say that. First, It's called Buddhism*. Second, they recite scripture, and why recite scripture unless you believe someone is listening. Third, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_prayer_beads key word "prayer" My original post was just a minor neat-pick/correction, carry on with the thread if you will. |
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SamuelLJackson said: ElectricPrune said: they both pray to God. Every religion prays to a god. That's not much of a reason to call them similar. The two religions have been separated for roughly 1000 years. ElectricPrune said: Then comes Allah who is an entirely different entity. Islam is an offshoot from Judaism? This is the first I've heard this. Allah is not a separate entity. The God worshiped by most religions in Western Civ goes by many names. In Christianity the name is God. In Judaism it is Yahweh or Jehovah, and in Islam it is Allah. Although going by different names and being in different religions they are all the same deity. In fact all of these religions, to include Islam and it's sub-categories, are guided by the Old Testament. Islam even goes as far as to have much of the new testament in it's holy book, the Quran. The story of Moses (Musa in Arabic) can be found in the Quran, as can the story of Jesus (Isa in Arabic) Just as Moses and Jesus go by different names in different languages and religions, so does God, but they are in fact the same stories and the same religious texts. Just gonna jump in here to say that they are far from the same stories. Muhammad's recounting of these stories contradicts those of the Torah in many places, which remain the same in the Old Testament, and also contradicts a lot of the New Testament. An example is mixing up the story of Haman and Esther with that of Moses. That tends to happen when you draw inspiration imperfectly from previous works. |
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Aerodust said: Nobody has the authority to declare something divine but God himself (as he did with the previous testaments), we may say that this or that is indeed divine but we can not "declare" it to be so. I think you made a simple typing mistake? If something is "self-evident" it would not need "approval" as it would be as the word implies "self-evident".God having "competence" doesn't prove much of anything, though. I'm talking about who (As in a person) has the worldly authority to declare something divine? By saying God has the competence you are implying that the Church should recognize as authoritative any book that is self evidently so. Aerodust said: Why do I need to explain it? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1259707&show=5[/quote]The Gospel of Thomas and the Revelation of Paul never made it into New Testament canon, despite both containing "thus saith the Lord". How do you explain this? No mistake. (self–ev·i·dent adjective -dənt, -ˌdent : clearly true and requiring no proof or explanation) It's the context in which it was used. e.g. Say, theoretically, I write a new gospel today. In the text, I declare that this text is the word of God. Providing the Church doesn't know that I wrote this work, do they still accept it as biblical canon? Surely they must. As you say, "Nobody has the authority to declare something divine but God himself (as he did with the previous testaments). Do you see the issue I have with this? I'm not trying to start a war or anything here, I'm just trying to provide a perspective from outside faith. And you don't need to explain it, I was just curious as to your opinion because you said in the original post that you were Christian yourself. |
Lime_ said: Correction, the score is supposed to be 0/10Korrvo said: Wasn't there a verse somewhere in the New Testament that said there wouldn't be anymore additions to it or something? My knowledge of the bible is rusty af The bible is the most unoriginal piece of shit I have ever watched, seriously. What the fuck. Especially S2. They just crammed in a lot of supernatural clusterfuck cliches and tried to wing it somehow by keeping it to hurr durr savior of the universe. It doesn't help that this piece of shit having yaoi implications and fanservice such as washing feet and holding hands, indirect kissing by wine cup and shit. And you know the worst part? MC is a gary stu immortal zombie shit that somehow manages to win in the end. Then there's the 2deep4u shit that is revelations. clearly a ripoff. Shitty end of the world. Also all those side stories and unreliable narrator. And did i mention the fans? Holy shit, the level of fanfiction,speculation and figs ruin the anime industry. Don't forget the waifu faggotry on this shit. God that's so intense. 1/10 made me rage |
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