moonnya said: bigivelfhq said: The Story is well written! The animation(the used 3D is questionable though, but it gets better later), the character designs, the voice acting, the Background Music, the musics sang are all very good. The main interest points of the series are well made too! By main interest points I mean, the Moe aspect of it and the Idol aspect of it. In reality Love Live! Creates a cool and innovative way of Idol culture, the school Idol. I don't know if it existed before Love Live but certainly it wasn't that much known. If you like Moe and Idol culture, than you will love Love Live. If you hate those things, than of course you will have a big problem with it, giving that is the center of the series. Good points of it are also that it doesn't have the other two most used genres, and arguably worst, of the current anime industry: Harem and Ecchi. The story, the pacing, the characters, the characters interactions and everything around the series is really, but really, well made. Also note that the popularity of the series spiked in the second season due to the really successful mobile game and the popularity of the songs. In the first season the series was a really popular series, but a little higher than Free swim club popularity. I have problem with music genre, and all girls as main characters I dont have problem with all the things you say Should I watch Love Live ? It has a lot of music and the cast is all made of girls, I don't remember ever seeing a male character in the anime. So you have all this cons about the series. If even knowing that you're still interested to see what is about, and you're prepared to embrace those problems, than sure watch the series. |
| I don't know where people keep getting convinced of this idea that Love Live isn't popular in Japan but here's some statistics: - The first volume of the second season has sold 110,000 discs so far [source] - The second volume without all the extras and discount still sold about 50,000 [source] - In 13th months since it's release the cell phone game has over 3 million subscribers as of July and still growing. It single-handedly put the company that developed it in the black upon the 2nd season airing and you can see the stock spike coinciding with it. [source] - The franchise has as of this week 3 Gold certified music discs (over 100,000 copies served) and since the anime aired has seen many Top 5 and even Top 3 Oricon charting singles and albums. [source] - Fans in Asian countries have been caught on camera literally prostrating themselves in public before images of the characters indicating a fervor and craze like behavior. [source] -At Comiket 86 this week the art book for Love Live sold out entirely within 30 minutes of the booth selling it. [source] - Love Live has been granted it's own board on 2ch. The only other anime series I know of to have this are Cardcaptor Sakura and Evangelion.[source] I don't know but it looks pretty darn popular, but people are free to convince themselves of whatever they want to believe and probably will cause this is MAL after all. It's just kind of rich though, like the show is undeniably popular and yet a sizeable chunk of MAL still tries to find some way to deny it and act like it's some sort of fringe anime or something with apparently these couple thousand fans that just buy hundreds of discs so it looks popular and that's it. I don't know where people get these crazy ideas other than in their own head or by reading too much 4chan or something. Urek said: uhh... am i the only one wondering why everyone in japan buys love life? it is just another "moe girls dancing to music"... right? then why turns out every otaku in japan is... such weird o_o no seriously. i watched the first episode and didnt even finish it because thats all seemingly there is o_o I don't know.....like I don't know why everyone in Japan buys Monogatari series consistently, which is apparently the only show exempt from being accused of ever being bought for reasons of fanservice, moe and attractive female designs yet it's hardcore fans always seem to turn a blind eye to this appeal then turn around and accuse other franchises of milking attractive female designs and start chucking stones at other fanbases for shows they haven't even watched for liking "weird" shit, being otaku and *gasp* liking girls dancing....to music. How scandalous lol, never mind some of the stuff that makes it's way into other late night anime that people on MAL champion turn around and champion like girls getting toothbrushes jammed down their throats while moaning in ecstasy for nearly half an episode or girls making out and kissing in the middle of fight scenes which some consider the holy grail of 6/5 entertainment or whatever. It's just bloody rich. I mean look, people obviously have different tastes though. I may think things like Monogatari are junk, but obviously it's extremely popular with a lot of people and I'm not going to sit here and try to deny it lol. Also if you actually saw the first episode of the show you'd know that's not all there is. Hell they haven't even formed their group in the first episode of that show. bigivelfhq said: Urek said: uhh... am i the only one wondering why everyone in japan buys love life? it is just another "moe girls dancing to music"... right? then why turns out every otaku in japan is... such weird o_o no seriously. i watched the first episode and didnt even finish it because thats all seemingly there is o_o The Story is well written! The animation(the used 3D is questionable though, but it gets better later), the character designs, the voice acting, the Background Music, the musics sang are all very good. The main interest points of the series are well made too! By main interest points I mean, the Moe aspect of it and the Idol aspect of it. In reality Love Live! Creates a cool and innovative way of Idol culture, the school Idol. I don't know if it existed before Love Live but certainly it wasn't that much known. If you like Moe and Idol culture, than you will love Love Live. If you hate those things, than of course you will have a big problem with it, giving that is the center of the series. Good points of it are also that it doesn't have the other two most used genres, and arguably worst, of the current anime industry: Harem and Ecchi. The story, the pacing, the characters, the characters interactions and everything around the series is really, but really, well made. Also note that the popularity of the series spiked in the second season due to the really successful mobile game and the popularity of the songs. In the first season the series was a really popular series, but a little higher than Free swim club popularity. I'm not a huge fan of moe and idol culture but I enjoyed the quirkiness of the characters a lot and actually found a lot of the scenes pretty amusing. It doesn't rely overwhelmingly on blushing girls and moe moe moments and they actually seem to have their own individual goals as well as common ones that give the show a sense of purpose, drive and energy which is something that is lacking from a lot of contemporary moe shows. It's also quite well directed and there's nothing lazy about it's production which was also kind of a pleasant surprise. Really it kind of reminds me of a 90's-early 2000's series in terms of how it handles a predominantly female cast and premise though there are the occasional episodes that do dip a little more into the moe moe stuff like the whole episode about Rin and Hanayo not wanting to wear a certain dress where I thought they were practically going to make out by the end they were laying the yuri tension on so thick during the climax. |
PeacingOutAug 20, 2014 10:22 AM
rederoin said: Does monogatari really have to be brought up whenever somebody finds an excuse to do so? Well, it is the most sold title BD/DVD right now and it is totally Otaku Oriented! So I would say yes. |
umashikaneko said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Sorry I'm mistaken it is very popular then. As I said I think it is not something high ratio of anime fans like but it has own big fanbase. What I see is basically popularity among general anime fans and most of them love live seems not that popular(above average of course but not as domminant popular as K-ON or Madoka or Haruhi) I knew sukufes have 3M download but I don't find it that impressive, many of Social game are free and many of them just count DL not number of users,famous social game in Japan have well above 10 million DL. For example puzzle and dragons has 30M DL I wonder how many are paying into some of these money pits and just didn't download them because it's free. |
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umashikaneko said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Sorry I'm mistaken it is very popular then. As I said I think it is not something high ratio of anime fans like but it has own big fanbase. What I see is basically popularity among general anime fans and most of them love live seems not that popular(above average of course but not as domminant popular as K-ON or Madoka or Haruhi) I knew sukufes have 3M download but I don't find it that impressive, many of Social game are free and many of them just count DL not number of users,famous social game in Japan have well above 10 million DL. For example puzzle and dragons has 30M DL And if you think Oricon chart means anything in todays Japanese society it is very misunderstanding. Oricon chart have little to no presence among average people nowadays because cds from fan culture(idol ota or ani-ota) selling well and well-known artist has little presence. I forget to mention Muse was the 14th best selling music act in all of Japan for the first half of 2014. I don't know what else I can say to convince you that the brand is popular otherwise. AlsoK-On is literally done and probably Haruhi too at this rate. Madoka perhaps not though. |
bigivelfhq said: rederoin said: Does monogatari really have to be brought up whenever somebody finds an excuse to do so? Well, it is the most sold title BD/DVD right now and it is totally Otaku Oriented! So I would say yes. How does it being the 3rd best selling anime of all time justify bashing at every opportunity in the sales threads? |
| Wah wasn't expecting Mekaku City would get those sales despite how crappy the anime was. Noragami is going strong, Niceeee might get season 2:D |
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umashikaneko said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I forget to mention Muse was the 14th best selling music act in all of Japan for the first half of 2014. I don't know what else I can say to convince you that the brand is popular otherwise. AlsoK-On is literally done and probably Haruhi too at this rate. Madoka perhaps not though. I would say it is popular among love live fans but not many people know muse. I can name more than 100 japanese songs that have 3million view on youtube do muse have any? Look I'm just giving examples. Fine if its so important its not popular then. Didn't realize people were going to fight me this hard on it but hey MAL right. rederoin said: bigivelfhq said: Well, it is the most sold title BD/DVD right now and it is totally Otaku Oriented! So I would say yes. How does it being the 3rd best selling anime of all time justify bashing at every opportunity in the sales threads? Okay everyone should stop being mean to Monogatari guys jeez |
| Is there any reason Akame ga Kill still hasn't been solicited? Are they just not expecting any sales so they aren't bothering? |
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umashikaneko said: I can name more than 100 japanese songs that have 3million view on youtube do muse have any? Didn't realise that doing a comparison with just the most popular anime series or anison (or something stupid as doing an apples with oranges comparison... aka comparing mainstream songs with anison), was a valid way of determining if Love Live! was popular or not. Maybe if you did a comparison with a larger sample size, you'd find that Love Live! is incredibly popular. So, I would have to agree with what Kaioshin_Sama said there before, about people being in denial. All the evidence that points to Love Live! being popular is available in plain sight. I guess this is the same MAL, that thinks any anime that didn't sell over 10k discs or near SAO or Madoka or Bakemonogatari sales, is automatically a failure or not even popular. |
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rederoin said: bigivelfhq said: Well, it is the most sold title BD/DVD right now and it is totally Otaku Oriented! So I would say yes. How does it being the 3rd best selling anime of all time justify bashing at every opportunity in the sales threads? You asked being brought up! If is to talk bad or good, it doesn't matter. Is the same for One Piece when talking about manga. They are series with great popularity and with great impact, so people will always bring them up. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about people bashing monogatari, but if that is the case I would guess is because of the genres that it encompasses and the out of norm presentation. |
bigivelfhq said: rederoin said: How does it being the 3rd best selling anime of all time justify bashing at every opportunity in the sales threads? You asked being brought up! If is to talk bad or good, it doesn't matter. Is the same for One Piece when talking about manga. They are series with great popularity and with great impact, so people will always bring them up. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about people bashing monogatari, but if that is the case I would guess is because of the genres that it encompasses and the out of norm presentation. I'm talking about people bringing it up when its not even bloody relevant to the thread, this week we did not even get a monogatari release. Look, I know people love to be dicks about series they do not watch, but thats not an excuse to bash it at every opportunity you get. Kaioshin_Sama said: Okay everyone should stop being mean to Monogatari guys jeez If you want to bash monogatari thats fine. But could you do it somewhere its relevant? I know you love to bash series you haven't watched, but you can atleast understand why people would dislike you for it. Because you don't seem to be that friendly to those who bash love live either. |
rederoinAug 21, 2014 4:28 AM
Zoddd said: Love Live is only popular amongst japanese virgins What, so having sex stops you enjoying a good story or good music? First I've heard of that. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
kuuderes_shadow said: Zoddd said: Love Live is only popular amongst japanese virgins What, so having sex stops you enjoying a good story or good music? First I've heard of that. That's just trolling and not very good trolling at that. |
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umashikaneko said: I have forgotten explaining why sales of CDs/artists has little correlation with popularity or recognition in Japan nowadays. CDs of Idols mostly come with some sort of goods/tickets that promote fans to buy (idol fans who buy several CDs per person is not rare too) and not many ordinary people(non idol fans) buy CDs frequently. Rental CD ranking DL ranking Popularity poll The number of youtube view Karaoke ranking Thus these are much much better indicator of actual popularity of song or singers/bands in Japan. I feel get bored after some time just be Silent reader I know why why n why These type users like this always compares/complaint anything about LL in the same thread on different dates every week there is always a "butthurts" My assumption believe it or not lately come from crazy fans of other anime like k*N & I*as because they hate if LL takes over everything "you're like a child who cries like a baby if the toy you requested does not exist" grow up dude |
abgAug 21, 2014 12:16 PM
abg said: umashikaneko said: I have forgotten explaining why sales of CDs/artists has little correlation with popularity or recognition in Japan nowadays. CDs of Idols mostly come with some sort of goods/tickets that promote fans to buy (idol fans who buy several CDs per person is not rare too) and not many ordinary people(non idol fans) buy CDs frequently. Rental CD ranking DL ranking Popularity poll The number of youtube view Karaoke ranking Thus these are much much better indicator of actual popularity of song or singers/bands in Japan. I feel get bored after some time just be Silent reader I know why why n why These type users like this always compares/complaint anything about LL in the same thread on different dates every week there is always a "butthurts" My assumption believe it or not lately come from crazy fans of other anime like k*N & I*as because they hate if LL takes over everything "you're like a child who cries like a baby if the toy you requested does not exist" grow up dude if that's the case it'd be pretty silly since again K-On is literally done, like the manga has ended, theaanime is long done with and its just...done. As for IMAS its owned by the same people anyway so your more likely to see a crossover at some point than one to overtake the other. @rederoin: I swear to god there must be some unspoken rule that the most popular and generally jizzed about series must have the most defensive and protective fans. I could bring up any other non-hype show and nobody would care but bring up a Monogatari and Madoka and people will come out of the woodwork to and get all offended up |
Kaioshin_Sama said: @rederoin: I swear to god there must be some unspoken rule that the most popular and generally jizzed about series must have the most defensive and protective fans. I could bring up any other non-hype show and nobody would care but bring up a Monogatari and Madoka and people will come out of the woodwork to and get all offended up Because they know the shows are sh!tty (Aldnoah and Mushishi to mention a few) and don't bother defending it strongly, unlike really quality shows like Bleach and HxH ;) |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: @rederoin: I swear to god there must be some unspoken rule that the most popular and generally jizzed about series must have the most defensive and protective fans. I could bring up any other non-hype show and nobody would care but bring up a Monogatari and Madoka and people will come out of the woodwork to and get all offended up Kind of like you when somebody bashes sunrise, funny that works, eh? |
scytheavatar said: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/08/22-1/womens-votes-help-make-free-summers-most-popular-anime From this pool, Free! took first place, and scored that top spot with 90% of its votes coming from women. Sword Art Online II took second place with 77% coming from men. At third, Monthly Girls' Nozaki-kun was even more lop-sided with 94% of its votes coming from women. Seems to be confirmation of what I am saying, that Nozaki can be considered a female-targeted series. I prefer to wait untill I know big that sample size is or until v2 of the BD/DVD comes out. |
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