Aaaaaand it's Dropping

mandroid said:
some time ago isayama himself said that he decided to change the ending because of the fan gays and he only cares about the money. i mean come on, i like dialogues but this is taking so long, it can all be put in 3 chapter and instead it's in 15 chapters. let's be honest, the thing that people like the most is the mistery, and we haven't seen new mysteries or any revealed mysteries for quite a long time now...

GodlyKyon said:
Almost sure it isn't because of the "lack of titans" prospect. Almost sure that it's because the pace is literally mind numbingly slow. I would've killed myself if I was in the trapping female titan build up arc.

ninjastarforcex said:
prolonging and slowing the pace, and 69 side story of shingeki no kyojin everywhere. popularity of anime sure make this author crazy...

i already love this manga about 2 years before anime, tried to recommend this to everyone and everybody literally respown "nah, lazy" "meh" etc. now its become over-mainstream, i dont know why but i beginning to hate it

Estherella said:


Oh....I know why.... It's called hipster syndrome. I guess you're becoming one of those "I hate everything that everyone likes" then >.>? I started reading SNK 3 years ago and i tried to recommend to people but all of them responded by saying "nah don't feel like it" and when I did finally managed to recommend it to one friend of mine who loved it as well; now she becomes exactly like you and she hate snk because it's popular. -Sigh and facepalm- I can never understand people who think liking popular stuff is bad nowadays..... -______-

ninjastarforcex said:

im not talking about the popularity, but the manga, it become worse after its get anime somehow

Estherella said:


I apologize if i do misunderstand but if you look back at your wording, it sure does not seem to imply the quality of the manga at all. Otherwise, why would you bring up popularity in the first place and stating that "Now it's become over-mainstream I'm beginning to hate it" ? The quality of the manga getting worse somehow?? Why somehow? Why can't you state a specific reason?

ninjastarforcex said:

milking
more popular = more milking = prolong the manga to get more profit = quality dropping
im concerned about this as the pace of manga is VERY slow now.

Esterella said:
Also, what's with the thing about Isayama caring about money? How does that have anything to do with the current story? That's like the dumbest thing to brought up. I mean is there like anyone in this world that doesn't work for money? If he only cares about money, he would be doing TITANS TITANS TITANS coz you know everyone came for the titans in the first place (main appeal)? Just look at it, there's already lot of people losing interest because of the new arc, you really think people will stick long enough for another titan reveals? You really think the popularity will last long simply by prolonging the pace when readers are dropping the series precisely because the author is focusing on boring stuff? You think about it. Just what kind of idiot would do the boring ass yada yada government blah blah thing if he only wants money money $$$ <3? Right? ;) One last thing, changing the ending because of fans ain't something new and i don't see why everyone is making a big deal about it. How are we all so sure that killing everyone is even a good ending? What if the author just wants to do it for a shock factor? Read more at http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1249595&pages=1&show=0#vcmXyML12l8fTGdr.99

Estherella said:
Hajime Isayama doesn't seem like the type who would do something just because people pressured him into doing it. From what i've could tell so far from his interviews and interactions with his readers, he seemed like the type to do whatever he wants with this story no matter who would tries to stop him. I meant there's the case where when he first bring Snk to shueisha(it was actually weekly shounen jump magazine) but they rejected his work and tell him to change his artstyle and story but Hajime Isayama didn't give up on that and just went for another publisher. This to me seemed like he's the type who appreciate his own work and wouldn't change it just for the sake of somebody else. Then there's another case where Hajime Isayama wanted to incorporate the idea of titan transformation even though his editor strongly object to his idea because it will risk losing viewership (which he actually did X'D)but he insisted on doing so and in the end, the editors just let him do whatever he wants. Then there were mixed feelings amongst readers when Eren can transform into a titan so when he asked the readers should he change the storyline then, the readers strongly encourage him to do whatever he wants with the story because it's his own work after all. In many ways, i gained some new profound respect for this guy :3
Read more at http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=641097&show=20#v6b2vE4FieVXxxO6.99

Estherella said:


There isn't any any mystery revealed? HUH? WHAT?Are you for real? It has only been a few chapters back since Isayma brought up new mystery (King, Ackerman, Kenny, Mysterious Female ver. of Eren) and you want him to add more when we barely even get answer? e_____e. Not to mention, there has also been lot of character development for the supporting cast (Historia's past, Armin becoming more like Erwin, Jean and the others contemplating about following Levi, Mikasa developed more self control) as well and we can all agree that's something that has been criticized very heavily by many people. One major aspect i like about this arc is how it's dealing with the plot holes that people were picking up earlier (why didn't humans create a better technology, why didn't they use hot air balloon, etc.) .

The government arc only started 10 chapter or so and it has been mainly a mix of action, dialogues, mystery and plot progression without titans. THAT'S IT. The heavy dialogues isn't anything new either and it has been like that since the beginning of the series and you brought it up like it's something new but it's not. And yes, the dialogues aren't very interesting but Isayama is getting better at balancing action/plot/dialogues compared to before. It has only been 2 volumes since the damn government arc start, just read the series volume and by volume and you'll see it isn't as bad as you might think. I'm not just saying this to defend the series because I also find it not as entertaining as titans BUT the government arc is an IMPORTANT PLOT ELEMENT that cannot be avoided. Just read this thread >> http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1222415

Also, what's with the thing about Isayama caring about money? How does that have anything to do with the current story? That's like the dumbest thing to brought up. I mean is there like anyone in this world that doesn't work for money? If he only cares about money, he would be doing TITANS TITANS TITANS coz you know everyone came for the titans in the first place (main appeal)? Just look at it, there's already lot of people losing interest because of the new arc, you really think people will stick long enough for another titan reveals? You really think the popularity will last long simply by prolonging the pace when readers are dropping the series precisely because the author is focusing on boring stuff? You think about it. Just what kind of idiot would do the boring ass yada yada government blah blah thing if he only wants money money $$$ <3? Right? ;) One last thing, changing the ending because of fans ain't something new and i don't see why everyone is making a big deal about it. How are we all so sure that killing everyone is even a good ending? What if the author just wants to do it for a shock factor?

No offense intended but i found your complaints pretty jarring >.> because from what you just said, your problems are mainly referring to the lack of titans which only proved the OP's point about people lowering score coz of no titans (By that i don't just mean action, i'm talking about all the titans related stuff in general - Ymir, Beast Titan, RBA). See what I meant?



That's actually very true. I did it for the female titan arc as well. Titans or no titans, the fact is that's how monthly series works all the time and they run out of steam very quickly because of the waiting period. I've lost interest in so many monthly series for the same exact reason regardless of how fking good it is or what a masterpiece it is. If only if it was weekly ;( Skip Beat was even more tortuous because you have 8/10 of the contents dedicated to monologues all the time and it's been stuck for the same bloody arc for almost 3 years now. I'm actually laughing "HA HA HA" whenever I see complaints about pacing coz of that feeling when you know readers that've been reading on-going series like Glass Mask(1975) and Berserk(1988) that updates maybe once a year or so. Oh, and don't forget hiatus x hiatus too!

DrizzyXP said:
Oh finally. It was just a matter of time before another overhyped manga's rating is lowered.

DrizzyXP said:
Oh finally. It was just a matter of time before another overhyped manga's rating is lowered.

keragamming said:
Mark my words the score will be right back up when this arc ends.

Narukami07 said:


Which is a damn shame considering how the Arc goes out of its way to actually give more focus towards the characters while toning down the constant Titan clashes.

Guess this'll be be the Skypeia Arc of SnKin regards to fan reception.

Narukami07 said:
@Kyon

Compared to Water 7/Enies Lobby + Alabasta, yes.

Lets just say that while it isn't outright hated like the Fishmen Island Arc, most fans found Skypeia to be a drag/ big distraction to the overall plot in OP. Especially if you factor in the World Government conflict. It did focus on the characters, but i believe they (well, at least the Straw Hats) weren't entirely the issue with the Arc.

Thats not to say it didn't have fans either, even with the criticisms, plenty of people were fond of Skypeia's strong focus on the adventure aspect of OP + amazing flashback.

Narukami07 said:

Either way, no matter how good a manga is, most of them are ALWAYS bound to have a not-so-great Arc once in a while.

GodlyKyon said:

Really? berserk is that slow? Anyhow, same with me. Another popular example is Ao no Exorcist. The Kyoto arc made me want to abandon the manga entirely, and the current arc is just starting after 5-6 months, man, these monthly series are really troublesome. SNK was actually pretty good about it before the current arc, . But reading so little gives little satisfaction, I rather just read it in a marathon after 10 chapters or so, or better yet, when it's completed.

Estherella said:


Yeah, Berserk is that slow because the author just keep on going hiatus whenever he feels like it for whatever his personal reasons are. He only came back to it recently but he is still taking hiatus after a few updates. It's like what happened with Togashi. There's even some funny rumours about how these authors were just so busy playing Dragon Quest and Idol Master from 2chan.

GodlyKyon said:


Sound believable. He works in a nerd-fueled industry what'd you expect?

Narukami07 said:


Spoken like a true Z-tard.

DrizzyXP said:


You're talking as if any of the Dragon Ball series have a ridiculously high rating on MAL, lol.

Sapewloth said:

Nope, he/she's talking as if you're an overly dedicated Dragon Ball fan that never misses an opportunity to spread the bitterness on every battle shounen discussion subforum that's rated higher than your favorite animu.

DrizzyXP said:


I "hate" on Attack on Titan because both the anime and the manga's ratings are ridiculously high, just like any other overhyped manga or anime.

DrizzyXP said:


Well if that's the case, then he failed because Attack on Titan and Dragon Ball are nothing alike. Hating on Attack on Titan because it's rated higher than Dragon Ball would be the same as hating on LoGH or Monster. I "hate" on Attack on Titan because both the anime and the manga's ratings are ridiculously high, just like any other overhyped manga or anime.

DrizzyXP said:
I used "" for a reason. Because I don't hate Attack on Titan. I hate the amount of praise it gets. I think it's overrated, that's all. People also call me a HxH hater even though it's one of my favorites because I find it massively overrated. Same thing applies.

And yes I do read the manga, keragamming, I left it on-hold :|

zellami said:
^ Yeah, like being divorced and looking after the kids by taking turns :D Though, two kids from different fathers is a bit ...

... And it's not like fans are not playing games either in the meantime ^^

zellami said:

I was talking about Berserk and HxH (and their authors), with the two being notorious for their random hiatuses and breaks.

I didn't even know if the authors were married or not -_-;