What is peoples problem with this anime?

Newhopes said:
Apart from the boring story and god awful characters?

I only watch for the LOLZ from god-sama now.

FontSize72LOL said:


Pretty much. If you watch from an Ironic point of view this show is actually quite entertaining. This is probably one of the biggest train-wrecks I've watched though, and because of that i cant wait to see where this is going next.

HollowIchigo58 said:
As for me I love his anime,so what is peoples problem with this anime, Is it because there's not enough action and to much drawn out talking?

Seiryuu2 said:
In fate/zero series, the episode 1 was a 40 minutes explanation video about a lot of things, so in next episode they didn't bother to give us only a little explanation about things A/B/C or so on because they've cleared everything on episode 1. Mahouka could be animated that way, but unfortunately we didn't get what we wanted.

Takuan_Soho said:


Madhouse released 3 pre-release specials that explained all this, which is why they haven't bothered to explain it during the series.

Seiryuu2 said:
Have you seen it those 3 pre-release yourself ?

Seiryuu2 said:
Many people wouldn't search those 3 pre-release, most of people would likely watch the show directly from episode 1 until the recent episode (Like me) Since i read the LN, i didn't bother searching other pre-release for explanation.

Seiryuu2 said:
Oh yeah on another note, we lack an aspect of character development. Other character on the show needs more screentime like Erika, and the trolling side of Mayumi

Kuro_Kishi said:
Dull characters with a poorly written "fanfiction" kind of plot. Seriously, I read much better written fanfics than this

Newhopes said:
Apart from the boring story and god awful characters?

I only watch for the LOLZ from god-sama now.

fear80 said:


Dude don't tell me your the Kuro Kishi from fanfiction? O.O

nina4life said:
A few things.
They focus too much on trying to explain magic, but since they don't have neccessary time to do it they do it halfheartedly. This makes most explanation incomplete, sound boring and completely unneccessary.

To explain magic (point above) they sacrifice character development. Most side characters have had little to no backstory or even screen time. Take NSC arc as example. They present that "ancient-magic" guy that doubts himself. Can't remember his name. Then they completely ignore him whole arc only to bring him back as someone "they need" for final battle.

Other school characters suffer same fate. Chairman. What development did she get? She blushes to Tatsuya and finds him interesting, but that is the reaction of every single girl in this show except for Erika. There is nothing to distinguish them. They are ALL the same.

Boys don't have it any better either. They are all either jealous of Tatsuya or weed friends of Tatsuya that get screen time only when he, conviniently, needs them.

Another thing sacrificed for sake of mumbo-jumbo talk is world intrigues. Ten families, alliances, political disputes. All of that is presented as something big in intro sequence and almost completelly forgotten at this point. Ten families keeps being mentioned but nothing around it is ever explained more deeply. Nothing. Ever.

How did they come into power? Did they form alliance? Why do others fear them as much? How do people generally feel about being governed by ten "bullies"?

Miyuki and Tatsuya are both insanely strong and she is soooo obsessed with him I feel like her only goal in life to get finally f***** by him. I was given explanation by LN reader as to why that is so, but anime hasn't given any. Waiting 2nd season to learn why character is as obnoxious as that is unacceptable in my opinion when it comes to anime.

And most importantly, the villains. Do I need to even mention what is wrong with them? They put Nazi generals in "Allo, allo" to shame with how retarded they are. There is not a single redeeming quality for them. They wouldn't be a threat to kindergarten kids, let alone magicians.

There you go, all of my reasons this show is 4/10 for me.

Danpmss said:
Thanks to the anime, an incredibly well-crafted character like Tatsuya is basically been mentioned everywhere as an almighty god that can do the impossible and see the invisible without fighting the powa.

nina4life said:
I don't mind infodumps and I've read whole bunch of VNs, including Muv luv alternative.
The problem with infodumps here is they were either not needed or needed, but done poorly.
I'll gladly read/watch magic explanation if it leads to something or is made as a mean to immerse watcher/reader.

That is where I consider they failed the most. None of the explanations are immersive, interesting and they usually don't lead anywhere in this show. I believe they are detailed in LN, and seeing how a whole point of a book is for one to immerse himself into it, I welcome infodumps and explanations.
One of the reasons I never want to see my favorite VN (g-senjou no maou) animated is because it is too complex and characters would suffer from being underdeveloped. I feel like the same thing is happening here. They tried to put too much in at once.

jakkubus said:

You just made my day. xD

Danpmss said:


Read the LN. The end.

Danpmss said:


Read the LN. The end.

jakkubus said:

So what's the difference between anime Tatsuya and LN Tatsuya?

Nidhoeggr said:
Nice strawman.
I read volume 1, Tatsuya is an even bigger Stu in those and the writing makes Twilight look good.

darkreaperix said:


Wait,I thought you had read the LN's when you have been harping that it's a badly written fan fic and that Tatsuya has no personality????

Difference?You can read the characters internal monologues that contains their personalities and characterizations which the anime cut 80% of.What some of the characters say out loud sometimes isn't really what they mean or intent especially with the siblings.

darkreaperix said:


Wait,I thought you had read the LN's when you have been harping that it's a badly written fan fic and that Tatsuya has no personality????

Difference?You can read the characters internal monologues that contains their personalities and characterizations which the anime cut 80% of.What some of the characters say out loud sometimes isn't really what they mean or intent especially with the siblings.

jakkubus said:


I tried to read it few times, but each time it was boring as hell. Not info-dumps, which I enjoyed a bit, but action moments and dialogues.

darkreaperix said:
I mean you stop thinking it's an action story but more of a slice of life one.Have you read the Visitor's arc(vol 9-11)?It more written in the shonen action style than the past novels with action sprinkled out the series and contains enemies that even a 70% powered Tatsuya couldn't defeat easily.And the socio political things I mentioned in another thread kind of started to appear more frequent here.

Danpmss said:
But yeah, since you liked "G-Senjou" and "MLA", I shall reccomend you to read Mahouka's LN especially.

My description would be that Mahouka is trying to be something like Muv-Luv Alternative, where it tries to have everything but the kitchen sink, like an entire universe with its own living, breathing world, with all its extraneous details to help us suspend our disbelief and buy into a world where humanity is fighting a war of attrition with an alien race and showcasing the best and worst that humanity had to offer. IMO, MLA is probably the best executed and complete effort I’ve seen from Japanese creators because it’s so incredibly focused. It had a story it wanted to tell and didn’t forget it partway through. It had points it wanted to tackle and tackle the points it did. [addendum: Muv-Luv having themes is one thing; what made it so strong as a story is that it didn't let the plot or thematic threads dangle. They were tied back into the overall narrative, into the characters. Mahouka just wastes its potential when there are inklings of compelling themes to address but it doesn't.]

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In the end, Mahouka lacks emotional umph for me because its narrative and thematic focus is all over the place. It tries to do so much that it feels like it’s doing nothing at all. It’s also one of the reasons why I keep comparing it to the Muv-Luv trilogy due to their similarity in breadth, much to chagrin of other Mahouka fans here, because I honestly think it’s bar-none one of the greatest Japanese works to address pretty much everything I can think of when trying to design a believable, sci-fi world, with much of it owed to its narrative focus and strong themes.

wrenchbread said:


Now you dun goof'd, you compared the masterful work that is MLA to this fanfic-tier literature we call Mahouka. It is worse than a downgrade if going from MLA -> Mahouka.

I read the Muv-Luv trilogy back to back in July-August 2012 and I can’t understate how much I love the series. I bought TSFs from the Volk’s A3 model line, the official Alternative visual guide, Total Eclipse on PS3 at launch (one of the only games I actually put my knowledge of Japanese to use for, clocked 60 hours at completion on my save), etc. I am a bonafide Muv-Luv fanboy and I’m not afraid to admit it.

I wouldn’t say it had the best writing in the world nor would I say it’s flawless, but I was so heavily compelled by and immersed in the universe and characters and the trials and tribulations humanity had waiting for them. There was a high level of cohesion in weaving the details of the plot, characters, world, and themes together that I haven't seen in a while in Japanese media and this was from 2006. All that shit Kouki wrote more or less mattered and he frequently references things from the real world for some increased believability. I was enamored by the different themes Kouki and age took painstaking care to address and expand on: camaraderie, fighting for a greater good, political backstabbing, PTSD, self-sacrifice, the best and worst humanity has to offer in such dire times, humanity’s perseverance and tenacity in the face of true suffering, etc. I truly felt for some of the characters, especially Takeru since we see things from his eyes and he’s the guy we spend the most time with. (That PTSD arc ruined me for a while…)

I felt so many different things during and after Alternative... I think this reaction pic summarizes it pretty well. I can't say I felt the same for Mahouka.

I wrote this stuff months ago, comparing Mahouka and MLA and why I love MLA, but absolutely loathe Mahouka.



I was mentally and emotionally exhausted finishing MLA. I was like this (click!) for more than a month. But it was one of the most amazing experiences I had from a Japanese creator since NieR.

Great, now I want to play through Alternative all over again.

But to end here, to utter Mahouka and Muv-Luv [Alternative] in the same sentence is an insult to the creators at Age. Satou wished he had even a tenth of the skill Kouki has. He can’t even into believable politics.

But to end here, to utter Mahouka and Muv-Luv [Alternative] in the same sentence is an insult to the creators at Age. Satou wished he had even a tenth of the skill Kouki has. He can’t even into believable politics.

Danpmss said:

Just read the fucking LN already.

Emnay said:
Why would somebody ever want to read the LN. Scratch that, why would someone want to read an LN period?

wrenchbread said:
Seeing how you think that me reading the LN would somehow make me say or think Mahouka is great is actually pretty funny.

First, "read the fucking LN" isn't an argument.

Second, I did read the LNs. I'm just not up to date and I have no reason to be because I read enough to notice that the LN is just the anime with more fluff and more babble. More magic explanations that don't seem to actually justify all those pages, more high school slice of life moments that clash with the overall tone of a dystopian society, internal monologues that amounts to wisecrack jokes or observations about fucking everything, pages upon pages about how Miyuki is so utterly beautiful and majestic, characters who are just as flat and useless. Most of the side characters getting the shaft in the anime while still managing to feel like nothing's particularly missing proves how extraneous they are and insignificant they are to the cast. All of that pales in comparison to Kouki's writing (as long-winded as it may be). I stopped reading after the discrimination arc in the first two volumes and only skimmed the first volume of the 9SC. I only picked it up because people were saying how Tatsuya doesn't believe what he says at times and it's especially apparent in his conversation with Sayaka. That would've been an interesting meta-take in his interactions with other characters. I had to verify that. It turns out people were reaching for ways to prove he's not truly an objectivist, that he is not a sociopath. It was the last time I believed what the fanboys were saying because I saw for myself that they were overselling the story. The core foundation of the series was terrible from the get-go and the anime cutting out all the fluff just highlights that fact even more.

You recommending Mahouka as something comparable to MLA proves how incapable you are of discerning the difference in writing quality between the two creators. This is reason enough for me to ignore you after all that talk from last night.

And I love how spiteful you are. But trust me, as much as I love ML/A, I'm not above criticizing my own favorite works, nor is anyone obligated to buy into my shilling of the Muv-Luv series. It has no bearing on my enjoyment and love for it.

Danpmss said:
Funny enough, I'm defending Mahouka with all I can, but it isn't even (at all) my favorite series or something like that. But it is great, it has an awesome world-building with coherent political order, it has well developed characters, and mainly, it has an awesome story to be told (except for Volume 5).

Watching haters (I don't even like to use this word, for many reasons, but I don't have any other words to describe someone like you) like you saying the shit they want about a series and its characters in the adaptation is one thing, but I don't tolerate when it cames to the point of generalizing even the source material without considering and reading it first.

Me recommending Mahouka as something comparable to MLA proves nothing. You bitching around about it just proves how much of a fanboy you are and how much you hate Mahouka.