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| Kirito and party vs. LC was awesome, their BoB fights were awesome, and the ending was very interesting. Can't wait for next episode! |
| Kirito went complete emo after meeting Death Gun. Interested to see where this is going. |
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Today is a sad day for Sinon supporters, for this is the day their favorite strong independant PTSD stricken schyzophrenic GGO player finally joined the ranks of the official SAO haremettes. Yes, Kirito. You totally did. That being said, I kinda appreciated the retroactive development of Kirito, even though the whole business with the Laughing Coffin felt more like an afterthought than anything else, especially considering how there was no trace nor mention of that conflict neither in Aincrad nor ALO. It actually makes ALO look even worse in retrospect, cause it basically consisted of Kirito plowing through with a big dumb smile on his face (and torturing Sugou beyond reason because he touched his waifu). I had a hard time buying into his PTSD mostly because we should've gotten that way earlier, but it was handled pretty sensibly nonetheless. Not fond of how the Sinon v. Kirito duel ended, like, at all. But hey, that's SAO for you alright. Gotta get used to it. |
SapewlothJul 17, 2016 12:16 PM
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cabacc2 said: Fai said: my IQ dropped while reading this.Tell that to the families, loved ones, friends and coworkers of those he killed. I hope you just didnt challenge me to defend the validity of the concept called self-defense. If you did, I refuse your "challenge". If you are unable to see why that concept holds merit, I see no point in arguing with you. I wonder in what country you live though.. isnt self-defense as a legislative norm pretty much established everywhere? I dont know man... bring some arguments other than "people are sad", then we can talk. If you dont stop throwing emotional nonsense at me, I see no point in further talking to you. Self-deffense does not excuse murder. Maybe in america, but not in civilized world. He still murdered three people in cold blood, even if he had "REASONS' to do it. He still ended lives. And the people who cared about those he killed won't just go "oh man, they attacked you I understand you no hard feelings for murdering them". Neither will Kirito. |
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| The flashback that we didn't actually see last season of their raid on the Laughing Coffin was really interesting, but they weren't subtle at all when associating the crazy killer with Death Gun. |
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| Erm, Self-defense really isn't the point. But even if it was, what Kirito did in that raid he had the flash back of wasn't self-defense. That group intentionally encroached on Laughing Coffin territory to thin their numbers (though they were hoping most of them would surrender and they wouldn't have to kill too many people) to keep player killing down. And irregardless of whether or not it was self-defense, that doesn't make taking another human life easier, it doesn't negate the PTSD that follows. It doesn't change the fact you, by some means, ended another living human beings life who can now never come back. No matter how "bad" of a person they were doesn't change the fact that it's completely irreversible. |
| Damn, these episodes go back too fast! It was cool seeing an old school flashback from Sword Art Online. |
| fucking terrible episode. Kirito went full jesus mode again. Please no drama about Kirito ever, it doesnt work for me, since he is so unrelatable. |
| I am falling, I am fading, I am drowning, help me to breathe. |
| Badass episode, the usual SAO shenanigans. The only thing that bothered me was the fact that their match was supposed to show on big screen for everyone outside, and yet they went and did their talking and dramatic stuff. I suppose the match wasn't shown in the lobby, otherwise this show might aswell end right now lol (death gun hearing their convo, etc). |
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| How was it only now Kirito gets traumatized by the people he killed. And those people he killed were gonna kill him anyway. Its self defense and ur saving lives why u feel bad ajksndalalal. And dang, everyone watching that finals match must've been like " wow. Collusion or not that was anticlimactic ." And now sooner or later Simon will be a part of a harem. Again /end rant. |
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| ffs that felt short. ug the cheesy script but still good watch! |
| Sinon kinda lost this fight all on her own; if she'd been able to steady her pulse (and the game worked on actual crosshair accuracy instead of randomly hitting somewhere in a big-ass circle), she'd have shot Kirito dead before they could have their dramatic 'Why aren't you trying?!?' moment. I knew that the rules of the duel were way in Kirito's favor and he was just gonna cut the bullet in half like he always does. Nice flashback to the SAO days, and it was actually footage we hadn't seen before. That's how I like flashbacks to be, letting us see something that wasn't in the original instead of saving money on stock footage (looking at you Naruto). Turning out to be one of the real pleasures of this season. |
cabacc2 said: Also, just to clear that up: The definition of murder is "the unlawful killing of a person". What Kirito did, was per definition, "killing". Not murder. That's kind of not true though. As Kirito had no legal right to kill those people in real world, and Aincrad didn't real have a set of "laws" like that. It only turned your cursor red if you killed someone. What Kirito did was vigilantism, not proper lawful killing. Therefore it is still murder, even if it was for the greater good. |
neonie said: And irregardless of whether or not it was self-defense, that doesn't make taking another human life easier, it doesn't negate the PTSD that follows. It doesn't change the fact you, by some means, ended another living human beings life who can now never come back. No matter how "bad" of a person they were doesn't change the fact that it's completely irreversible. Problem is when that sort of development is done retro-actively, it's pretty hard to buy into the character's trauma. Especially after stuff like the Kuuradel episode where Kirito pretty much killed him without suffering any form of trauma, or like it's already been pointed out, the entirety of ALO, which was a complete joke. It feels like the author decided a little too late to finally humanize his protagonist. Agreed with the first part of your post, tho. |
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| Jesus Kirito, when did you turn into such a pussy? |
| Self-defense is only the legal aspect, and the two guys he killed in the flashback weren't self-defense. The one trying to kill him by paralizing him, that may count as self-defense, depends on the judge i guess (after all, he could have disabled him only and ran away etc.). Also, it was not just a game. The people he killed in SAO are dead. Thats why he only cares about those 3, and not about the five dozen he killed in ALO or the ones he killed in GGO just a few minutes earlier. And the feelings of relatives of the people he killed etc. do not necessarily change simply because they know it was self-defense. If they are viewing it objectively, yes, but thats not how humans work. And while a PTSD is quite bad, it's good that Kirito feels responsible. Thats why he didn't go around and randomly kill other players like those in Laughing Coffin did. Another thing: While i don't like that they just now shoved the PTSD in and didn't show anything before, especially during the ALO arc, it's not like you will immediately get PTSD or never. Often people simply bury aweful experiences, only to have them come up later - sometimes years or decades. Meeting Death Gun brought it all back. It may not have been the best course of action to do it this way, but it's not outright wrong or unbelievable. |
NwAurionAug 9, 2014 5:34 PM
| was kirito always such a pussy? tend to forget bad chars :/ |
Takuan_Soho said: Fai said: I suggest you to check yourself in into mental facility if the thought of killing someone does not give off any sort of emotion for you. That's one of major signs of sociopathy. Deserving/notdeserving it has nothing to do with taking a life. See cops and soldiers and ptsd. We already knew Kirito took a life from SAO. We simply now see that he took more than one life. +10. Plus he was 14-15 when he did it, with no training like a solider or a cop would have. I always find idiots like Plushkin, who probably even haven't killed anything larger than a fly, speaking with such confidence about how they could kill another living, breathing human being, without even an after thought. Though I do like that Kirito knows that it is a weakness and not a virtue to not be able to kill someone if it is to defend someone he loves. LOL OMG XD you guys are seriously telling me to take anime seriously. Besides even the fact that the people he's killed are cold blooded murderers (as in, they've killed other people. "I have not idea what it's like to kill other people" I'm sorry, but do you?), the fact that this trauma surfaces now - as opposed to idk as he lay dying in season 1 from paralysis as he was getting MURDERED - was clearly a lame attempt at "omg kirito and sinon are the same" i'm sorry, but if Reki REALLY wanted to delve into the psychological trauma of murder, don't you think he would have done that in season 1? |
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gagizagi said: was kirito always such a pussy? tend to forget bad chars :/ No he is a gary-stu. Comparing this to Terror in Tokyo makes this anime look like child play.. You can't compare them but hey.. Why not? |
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| Something else that bothered me was Sinon's reaction to Kirito cutting her bullet in two. She'd already seen what he was capable of and his line about "predicting the prediction lines" should've been enough of a hint for her to realize that he would probably try and read her movements. She's no amateur either, so definitely had the time to take out her back up gun and actually shoot him. Meh, whatev's. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Because calling someone an idiot several times in a row over the Internet is such a proof of intelligence, right? RIGHT? Come on. Also, replying to your answer: he had plenty of those triggers in ALO, actually. It was the exact same environment, and while there was no threat of death, the fac that Kirito so easily dissociated his SAO experience and that new game on the sole premise that "people don't die when they're killed, here" was pretty fucking far-fetched. Oh, and did I mention that he had no qualms whatsoever about attacking Heathcliff with a possibly fatal hit, simply because he "suspected" him of being somehow linked with Kayaba Akihiko? |
SapewlothAug 9, 2014 6:09 PM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
cabacc2 said: neonie said: if Aincrad has no laws, its not unlawful, thus its not murder.That's kind of not true though. As Kirito had no legal right to kill those people in real world, and Aincrad didn't real have a set of "laws" like that. It only turned your cursor red if you killed someone. What Kirito did was vigilantism, not proper lawful killing. Therefore it is still murder, even if it was for the greater good. It cant be vigilantism either. Aincrad's laws are irrelevant, it's about the death in the real world, not ingame. And there it depends which laws are applied. Usually the laws of the country the company running the game is from, or else the laws of the countries of the server. Given that Kirito knew or at the very least assumed that they would die at this point it's hard to say, given that technically the equipment and the software provided by the company were faulty. Would probably depend on the country's laws and the judge. Also, some countiries have rather wide interpretation of things like self-defense. Entering the turf of known criminals and then claiming self-defense when you get attacked may work in the US where you can shoot people without even checking who it might be, but in most of Europe and especially Germany, i think you would often end up with being at least partially guilty. Kirito knew that Laughing Coffin did attack people without qualms. He went there to put and end to them, one way or the other. He was prepared to fight, heck, they *assumed* they have to fight. They also assumed they would have no trouble, having more high-level players and more people overall etc. And he knew they would die for real if he killed them. Thats totally different from being attacked and barely being able to defend yourself, accidentally stabbing someone in the process of parrying his sword or so. *That* is self-defense. Everything beyond gravitates more and more towards manslaughter and murder. The actual legal aspects of what Kirito did do not really play a role regarding his PTSD though. |
| Season 2 is really enjoyable so far, reminds me just how good the first SAO arc was. Though I'm slowly losing my affection for Asuna, she needs screen time or I'm seriously gonna end up shipping Kirito and Sinon BECAUSE HOT FUCKING DAMN DAT HUG. |
| We can assume that Sinon is a tsun at that last part |
| *Facepalm* |
| For me this episode raised a quality of this season a little bit, but still pretty terrible show. 4/10 -> 5/10 |
| I couldn't help but laugh at the bullet being cut in 2, I was chuckling for ages. Good to see Kirito struggling with the people he killed (please someone explain to me why everyone's going on about self defense, really? He killed people in a raid, it's similar too a war isn't it, he murdered people in battle because he knew it would eventually lead to a fight duuuuuuuurrrrrrr) Anywho, less about that rubbish and more about how funny this episode was. Sinon missing for not much reason was funny, the hug at the end was funny to, knowing he loves Asuna, don't you think a man knows boundaries when it comes to other women, seems Kirito doesn't. |
| Didnt like the first half of the episode. The SAO flashback battle scene with LC wasnt done well. And really, he just now figured out that was Death Gun? He shouldve known that last episode. And they couldve paced the BoB matches a little better. The second half of the episode was much better. |
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| Dont know what's more amusing, the anime itself or the fact that EVERY topic about it has to have at least one soap opera fight in it. Oh and why Kirito didn't showed his PTSD symptoms is ALO, easy, Laughing coffin is the trigger it seems, an element he didnt encounted in ALO. |
PunkbeetleAug 9, 2014 6:59 PM
Spirits of the light! Wielders of the great power that shines far and wide upon the lands of our world... In my hour of need, grant me the light to banish evil! |
| I can see myself starting to ship Kirito with Sinon. She is by far a more interesting character than Asuna. |
Takuan_Soho said: Sapewloth said: Because calling someone an idiot several times in a row over the Internet is such a proof of intelligence, right? RIGHT? Never said it was, but when talking to idiots, intelligence is the last thing you should use. Sapewloth said: Also, replying to your answer: he had plenty of those triggers in ALO, actually. It was the exact same environment, and while there was no threat of death, the fac that Kirito so easily dissociated his SAO experience and that new game on the sole premise that "people don't die when they're killed, here" was pretty fucking far-fetched. A couple of things: 1) As I said above (and Kirito actually specifically told Sugu in the series) SAO wasn't over for him until Asuna was rescued. In other words, the war wasn't over yet for him, he hadn't yet re-integrated into civilian life. 2) When exactly in ALO did Kirito meet someone from SAO who had been in Laughing Coffins? Don't you think the two situations are a little bit different? As he said in this episode, he had been ignoring things before, but now he could no longer ignore it. PTSD is like that, it is not something that effects you every single moment of every single day, one can go years without a symptom then pow. That was Kirito's POW moment. 3) Why do you think that Kirito took the dude up on the offer to risk his life going into GGO when he was so convinced that it was impossible? He had a deep need to prove something. Have you thought of what is? This is important because it fits into why meeting the guy was so traumatic for Kirito. There was still no reason for you to call him/her an idiot. What's the point beside being douchey for no reason? 1) there is a difference between paying lip service to the consequences of your SAO experience and actually showing the consequences of your SAO experience that goes beyond the little "sad to delete all mah items" or "using my favorite in game fighting stance in a RL kendo match". 2) Why does he need to specifically meet an SAO survivor that he would recognize as a Laughing Coffin to be triggered or at the very least bothered by his own actions? PTSD can happen in many kinds of ways, and ALO was pretty much the perfect environment for it. The two situations are similar in the fact that both Aincrad and ALO are VRMMO's. And that should be more than enough for Kirito to at the very least hesitate to kill random players, especially after hopping into a new game right after escaping a deadly one he was stuck in for two years straight. If the fact that the first thing he did after logging into ALO was literally one shotting another player like it was nothing (and then joking about it, like it was no biggie) doesn't bother you in the least, then I don't know what else to tell you. Same with him turning into Gleam Eyes and pretty much eating players alive and then making a suspicious random cannibalism joke about it afterwards: it's all good, I guess? And let's not bring up episode 24. 3) I don't know how that has anything to do with my gripes with the show, nor do I really care atm. |
SapewlothAug 9, 2014 7:35 PM
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| The one thing that bothers me is that i don't get why people wouldn't recognize "Kirito" and start speculating whether he's the same guy who took down Ironclad and Heathcliff. You'd figure he'd be a legendary player much like Jonathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel is to FPS pro gaming. I get that Japan likes to keep "bad things" hush hush. But with 6000 survivors. some of them must have talked about their experience and what happened and who defeated the game and whatnot. |
CirrisAug 9, 2014 7:08 PM
| The anime wouldn't even be that bad if it would get finally over it's own ego. Okay, we have now established that Kirito is so strong that probably nobody can beat him in a fair fight and beyond that he is indeed the chosen one who always then has a actual character and trauma when it fits the story or to get a rare, cute girl in a online game with 95% guys to fall for him immidiatly. ...So I would say they isn't really a need to point out every single episode how op strong and skilled he is and with that I don't mean that she shouldn't use his op-ness anymore but could we keep unnecessary dialog to point out what he obviously just did to a minimum? What I'm talking about is: Kirito a cuts sniper rifle bullet at close range which is obviously almost if not completely impossible even with prediction... so you don't have to have a character immidiatly after the action say: "Wow, Kirito you cut my sniper rifle bullet at close range which is obviously almost if not completely impossible even with prediction - You are soo strong!!!" It's like treating viewers of the anime like complete idiots. All that's missing is a extra explaination box showing exactly why Kirito was soo op in the last scene at the bottom just as Sinon is saying it and atleast 2 flashbacks to how he cut the bullet in half. After the first season I now kind of understand that game rules don't apply to Kirito's op-ness, so please stop now... don't do that in every single episode of season 2 (but if that's the plan they already had a good start...) >_> |
DancingJackAug 9, 2014 7:19 PM
| "The fool who believed in miracles now walks among the dead." ~ Blade of the Phantom Master |
jdbe said: Sinon missing for not much reason was funny, Triggers are a thing. The fact that Sinnon witnessed Kirito's breakdown led to her associating him to her weaker real life self, in an essence turning Kirito into a triggering experience for her ptsd. Cirris said: The one thing that bothers me is that i don't get why people wouldn't recognize "Kirito" and start speculating whether he's the same guy who took down Ironclad and Heathcliff. You'd figure he'd be a legendary player much like Jonathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel is to FPS pro gaming. I get that Japan likes to keep "bad things" hush hush. But with 6000 survivors. some of them must have talked about their experience and what happened and who defeated the game and whatnot. Because majority of SAO players don't want anything to do with games Because his nickname is so famous everyone would try to take it in every mmo ever? |
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Saraph said: For me this episode raised a quality of this season a little bit, but still pretty terrible show. 4/10 -> 5/10 Exactly how I felt. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Sapewloth said: Because calling someone an idiot several times in a row over the Internet is such a proof of intelligence, right? RIGHT? Never said it was, but when talking to idiots, intelligence is the last thing you should use. Then I suggest you go ahead and quote me where I said I would have totally wasted that guy, cuz right now you're sounding like the total idiot here. I was poking fun at Kirito's dilemma as being identical to Edward's in Twilight: he murdered horrible people and it's become a problem only just now when it needed to be a problem. It sounds to me that you're too emotionally attached to the characters to recognize a contrivance when you see one |
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Cmon guys why can't we all just get along parfaited said: his long hair is delicious. I had some of his hair last night, tasted like Jesus juice |
plushkin said: Then I suggest you go ahead and quote me where I said I would have totally wasted that guy, cuz right now you're sounding like the total idiot here. I was poking fun at Kirito's dilemma as being identical to Edward's in Twilight: he murdered horrible people and it's become a problem only just now when it needed to be a problem. It sounds to me that you're too emotionally attached to the characters to recognize a contrivance when you see one Don't waste your time. Some people are that way that if you say something even remotely negative over things they like, they somehow interprete it as personal attack and want to really badly point out how wrong you are, even if it means taking everything so serious that they call you out on every little detail, even though it's pretty obvious what you meant. |
| "The fool who believed in miracles now walks among the dead." ~ Blade of the Phantom Master |
| It's funny how everyone is saying "Sinon missed for no logical reason"... cmon, are you even paying attention? he was mad seeing Kirito not taking her seriously, she thought it was "only a game" for him while its a really important thing for her. If some of you don't know, heartbeat rate goes up A LOT when youre that angry, making her aim circle bigger and unstable > missed every shot. Seriously, just pointing out every single flaw without even thinking is annoying, not saying the show is perfect, but cmon. |
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