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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni Episode 16 Discussion
5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
101 64.33%
4 out of 5: Liked it
 
33 21.02%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
15 9.55%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
7 4.46%
1 out of 5: Hated it
 
1 0.64%
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10-17-09, 7:38 AM

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Some people find it fun. I don't really get it, but that's the way it is.

It's kind of like trying to guess what crazy thing Britney Spears is going to do next. There is a history of erratic behavior, she's so coo coo, and her fans are so adamant that anything is possible.
 
10-17-09, 8:03 AM

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LOL the two of you made this series looks like shit. If I were to take Umineko and Higurashi very seriously, they are nothing more than a horrible anime. I am trying to be quiet as much as possible about this series. Well, as you know, it was made to enjoy it that way. So there is nothing can be done but to go along with it.

 
10-17-09, 8:19 AM

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Siva said:
LOL the two of you made this series looks like shit. If I were to take Umineko and Higurashi very seriously, they are nothing more than a horrible anime. I am trying to be quiet as much as possible about this series. Well, as you know, it was made to enjoy it that way. So there is nothing can be done but to go along with it.


It's okay, I'm enjoying it. Very entertaining. It's just that I find it funny that some are taking this too seriously. However, I do have the impression that this will turn out good at the end (hopefully) with a nice explanation to everything.

Again, Kampfer and Needless are both entertaining...in a special way. Umineko just happened to be even more.

P.S: And having the forums flooded with spoilers from VN fans is not helpful.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
 
10-17-09, 8:21 AM

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For the record, I like Higurashi as a whole and don't think it was bad. The first series was tedious and struck my nerve, but Rei was genuinely good. As for Umineko...I make my thoughts known. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, so I've kept 90% of my negative thoughts to myself since a lot of people are incredulously emotionally invested in the franchise.

But I do agree that you just go along with the ride and see where it takes you. As far as the show goes, we can only evaluate moment to moment, and can't say anything as a whole. I know how I would like for things to proceed, but this show plays on expectations more than anything else. I'd like for the show to redeem itself the way Higurashi did, but who knows. That could be another expectation the show defies.
 
10-17-09, 9:04 AM

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noteDhero said:
For the record, I like Higurashi as a whole and don't think it was bad. The first series was tedious and struck my nerve, but Rei was genuinely good. As for Umineko...I make my thoughts known. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, so I've kept 90% of my negative thoughts to myself since a lot of people are incredulously emotionally invested in the franchise.

But I do agree that you just go along with the ride and see where it takes you. As far as the show goes, we can only evaluate moment to moment, and can't say anything as a whole. I know how I would like for things to proceed, but this show plays on expectations more than anything else. I'd like for the show to redeem itself the way Higurashi did, but who knows. That could be another expectation the show defies.


Yet you comment on EVERY episode.
 
10-17-09, 9:09 AM

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Play the VN, is all I can tell you.
You seem to hate and judge umineko as a whole based on a crappy adaptation.

Honestly, I could care less if you play it, I'm just tired of anime-only viewers bitching about the anime.
Oh well, you probably won't play it because of the anime, so I guess it can't be helped. :D
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10-17-09, 9:13 AM

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There is more to say than just the 10% of negatives I see in the show. In case you haven't been reading, I've mentioned in almost every episode for a while now about what I take from the episode that probably has the most to do with the story.

Do you have a problem with my comments? Am I antagonizing anyone? I don't think I am, and try to be as non-confrontational as posiible. If you disagree, feel free to say so either in this thread, a pm, or a comment on my wall.

@Denwa
This is an anime discussion thread. Of course I'm going to talk about what I see and make judgments. If people can't separate the VN and the anime, I don't see how that's my problem. There are lots of adaptations that I hate of source material I love. People need to learn not to think one goes hand in hand with the other.

Edit: I won't play the VN because i don't really get into them. Not because of the show. If I were into VNs I'd probably consider it since I know I have some curiosity about these things.
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10-17-09, 9:20 AM

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Actually, I think Higurashi made a little bit more sense than this.

I mean, to a casual anime fan, I'd show them Higurashi over this and then ease into Umineko eventually.
 
10-17-09, 9:23 AM

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I'm just waiting for the "answer arcs" or however they're called.
 
10-17-09, 9:31 AM

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Denwa said:
Play the VN, is all I can tell you.
You seem to hate and judge umineko as a whole based on a crappy adaptation.

Honestly, I could care less if you play it, I'm just tired of anime-only viewers bitching about the anime.
Oh well, you probably won't play it because of the anime, so I guess it can't be helped. :D

And I'm tired of the VN-players bashing this anime whenever they have a chance. Just seeing a anime viewer complains something, they immediately jump to conclusion: "See? Even the anime-only viewers hate it! This adaption sucks!". Oh please, every complaint he has about the anime can apply to the game as well. It has nothing to do with the adaption.
 
10-17-09, 9:49 AM

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The anime adaption isn't horrible, but it pales in comparison to the original. A lot. If I didn't read it myself and just watched the anime I'd probably think the series was mediocre. They're both really different experiences.

Why is the music so damn soft, DEEN? Half the reason the VN was great was because of the awesome music blasting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuRRe1moVhY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR6PYrjEzcQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7x4hsKjyFk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOq7ZNTPVug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwL97BRAOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq5YSqzX6Jk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq-HbOF1xvI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAupQUUglkU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J5LF2Udf20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hJ7SfceTWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_AQrYKzOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tICKoZ18zHk


And still many more.

Now I feel like replaying the VN.
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10-17-09, 10:02 AM

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Denwa said:
You seem to hate and judge umineko as a whole based on a crappy adaptation.

I think I am seeing you seem to hate and judge umineko(anime) as a crappy adaptation based on your VN.

 
10-17-09, 10:11 AM

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Denwa said:
Play the VN, is all I can tell you.
You seem to hate and judge umineko as a whole based on a crappy adaptation.

Honestly, I could care less if you play it, I'm just tired of anime-only viewers bitching about the anime.
Oh well, you probably won't play it because of the anime, so I guess it can't be helped. :D

And I'm tired of the VN-players bashing this anime whenever they have a chance. Just seeing a anime viewer complains something, they immediately jump to conclusion: "See? Even the anime-only viewers hate it! This adaption sucks!". Oh please, every complaint he has about the anime can apply to the game as well. It has nothing to do with the adaption.


no u

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Thanks, I didn't know that.
 
10-17-09, 10:19 AM

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Siva said:
Denwa said:
You seem to hate and judge umineko as a whole based on a crappy adaptation.

I think I am seeing you seem to hate and judge umineko(anime) as a crappy adaptation based on your VN.

I still think that the anime is bad, and it has nothing to do with how good I think the VN is.
 
10-17-09, 10:31 AM

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@Veronin
Coming from someone who doesn't read the VN, this whole complaint about the music is a little silly. On the one hand, music is a good tool used to underscore tension and emotion. In the case of a VN, since it is just text and pictures, I'd think the music has to do the brunt of the heavy lifting to create an atmosphere.

That shouldn't be the case in an anime. The atmosphere should be set first by story (same as VN), then mostly handled by the director with the voice acting and animation coming up next. Music is not integral, and often, the absence of music can create more tension, especially in a mystery.
 
10-17-09, 10:33 AM

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Exactly, I love when people are over-analyzing the stuffs when not enough tangible clues are given to reach a conclusion, not to mention future clues that will completely make the current plausible conclusions bogus.

I can't help to facepalm at some of the theories. People really "lack" imagination.
"A man tripped himself over a tiny pond of water after a rainy day and hurt his nose. He tried to stand up but tripped over again, hurt his head. He then thought to himself: "Why should I try to stand up if I know I could trip over again?" He stayed lying in the water."

There are 2 kinds of people who can follow Umineko till the very end.
one who just goes along with the ride and hopes there will be surprise at the end which should make sense to everything.
another who has own theory and cant wait till the end to see if it is true or not.

whether the theory is true or not isnt vital, its the different level of enjoyment that matters.
 
10-17-09, 10:58 AM

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wakka9ca said:
Exactly, I love when people are over-analyzing the stuffs when not enough tangible clues are given to reach a conclusion, not to mention future clues that will completely make the current plausible conclusions bogus.

I can't help to facepalm at some of the theories. People really "lack" imagination.
"A man tripped himself over a tiny pond of water after a rainy day and hurt his nose. He tried to stand up but tripped over again, hurt his head. He then thought to himself: "Why should I try to stand up if I know I could trip over again?" He stayed lying in the water."

There are 2 kinds of people who can follow Umineko till the very end.
one who just goes along with the ride and hopes there will be surprise at the end which should make sense to everything.
another who has own theory and cant wait till the end to see if it is true or not.

whether the theory is true or not isnt vital, its the different level of enjoyment that matters.


Yes, enjoyment is all that matters. That is why I am still watching this series.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
Niko-kun said:
On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
 
10-17-09, 11:13 AM

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I'm really enjoying this series. It's great and I always can't wait for the next episode. It's a lot easier to understand than Higurashi was.
And Beato's such a cute tsundere. ^^
 
10-17-09, 11:21 AM

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It is right that all the matter is enjoyment. But there are time when people are over-analyzing the stuffs, they tend to want the show to follow what they want it to be. And when it isn't they tend to dislike it. For example, most of VN-readers really disappoint about the adaptation. They were asking something like "Naruto/Bleach anime shouldn't have filler" which is almost impossible to do it.

 
10-17-09, 11:32 AM

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Siva said:
It is right that all the matter is enjoyment. But there are time when people are over-analyzing the stuffs, they tend to want the show to follow what they want it to be. And when it isn't they tend to dislike it. For example, most of VN-readers really disappoint about the adaptation. They were asking something like "Naruto/Bleach anime shouldn't have filler" which is almost impossible to do it.


It's actually possible if they just put on the anime series on hiatus. But when MONEY comes into play, no one cares about quality anyway. Mainstream stuffs fall into that major problem.
bla bla bla
The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
Niko-kun said:
On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
 
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