Shiratori99 said: I think that should be obvious from my sig. As obvious as that you have no idea what happiness means. Sex and solo masturbation to pornography is quite different. It could also be that your lack of personal experience with sex may have lead to your idea that sex is a waste of time and is not good. |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: Shiratori99 said: I think that should be obvious from my sig. As obvious as that you have no idea what happiness means. Sex and solo masturbation to pornography is quite different. It could also be that your lack of personal experience with sex may have lead to your idea that sex is a waste of time and is not good. The main difference is physical contact with someone else, which can also be done without any sexual intentions (hugging, cuddling etc). Sex should be judged by the sex act itself and not the behavior that typically occurs along with it. And that is not fundamentally different from masturbation. |
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LashLethal said: Just to be double sure, you've never had sex before? I think that makes your opinion irrelevant. Judging from your answer and the fact you still didn't get it (it's in my sig, look below), you obviously lack the mental capacity to discuss this matter. |
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Shiratori99 said: Manganese said: That's a little cynical. After all happiness is a result of different chemicals messing with your head too... There's more to happiness than just the biological component, same as with consciousness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia Correct me if I'm wrong here but could this qualia not apply during sex too? |
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LashLethal said: Shiratori99 said: Judging from your answer and the fact you still didn't get it (it's in my sig, look below), you obviously lack the mental capacity to discuss this matter. lol I find that funny coming from the guy who made that ridiculous thread just because an old man in a suit on youtube pulled some bs out of his ass. Good trick though. Fooling yourself into thinking sex isn't that great in order to make yourself feel better just because you haven't done it before. This is the 3rd time I've seen this stunt. Wait, are you that black gentleman that I had the pleasure of getting muh dikked by back then? Manganese said: Correct me if I'm wrong here but could this qualia not apply during sex too? Yes, it does. But if the fulfillment of basic instincts could lead to happiness, animals would be able to be happy too. But happiness is an emotion that requires one to reflect upon one's own thoughts and circumstances and thus requires a consciousness. The mere accumulation of pleasure hormones in the brain is not enough. |
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LashLethal said: Listen. Being the grinch is not a healthy lifestyle Enjoy life and remember that everything is awesome. Even sex. Ok, I'm gonna jump down a bridge and remember that it must be awesome. Cause hey, everything is awesome, right? |
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Shiratori99 said: Manganese said: Correct me if I'm wrong here but could this qualia not apply during sex too? Yes, it does. But if the fulfillment of basic instincts could lead to happiness, animals would be able to be happy too. But happiness is an emotion that requires one to reflect upon one's own thoughts and circumstances and thus requires a consciousness. The mere accumulation of pleasure hormones in the brain is not enough. Animals are not solely driven by base instinct as you claim. They are empathetic to a certain degree and they 'feel' as we do. The lack of an ability to express those feelings in a way humans can understand does not mean animals lack feelings altogether. But that's not the point. Like it or not people can, and do, attach meaning to sex and derive happiness from the act. Maybe it's the intimacy of the act (between two willing participants) or maybe it's something else. I'm very sorry to tell you that you're not coming off as anything other than a lonely person trying to justify his lack of sexual experiences. |
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Manganese said: Shiratori99 said: Yes, it does. But if the fulfillment of basic instincts could lead to happiness, animals would be able to be happy too. But happiness is an emotion that requires one to reflect upon one's own thoughts and circumstances and thus requires a consciousness. The mere accumulation of pleasure hormones in the brain is not enough. Animals are not solely driven by base instinct as you claim. They are empathetic to a certain degree and they 'feel' as we do. The lack of an ability to express those feelings in a way humans can understand does not mean animals lack feelings altogether. But that's not the point. Like it or not people can, and do, attach meaning to sex and derive happiness from the act. Maybe it's the intimacy of the act (between two willing participants) or maybe it's something else. I'm very sorry to tell you that you're not coming off as anything other than a lonely person trying to justify his lack of sexual experiences. I don't care about what I'm "coming off" to you or others on this forum. I didn't say animals don't feel anything, I said they can't experience happiness. Read that article about qualia again and then we can continue talking, as you apparently didn't understand it. You can attach meaning to any action, that is not the issue here. Rather it is whether the physical act of sex alone can induce happiness. And regarding that my opinion is clear: It not only cannot, but can also cloud your mind and prevent you from focusing on more important things that might actually make you happy. Also, I'm not asexual. I'm just critical of materialism in general and sex in particular. |
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Shiratori99 said: Manganese said: Animals are not solely driven by base instinct as you claim. They are empathetic to a certain degree and they 'feel' as we do. The lack of an ability to express those feelings in a way humans can understand does not mean animals lack feelings altogether. But that's not the point. Like it or not people can, and do, attach meaning to sex and derive happiness from the act. Maybe it's the intimacy of the act (between two willing participants) or maybe it's something else. I'm very sorry to tell you that you're not coming off as anything other than a lonely person trying to justify his lack of sexual experiences. I don't care about what I'm "coming off" to you or others on this forum. I didn't say animals don't feel anything, I said they can't experience happiness. Read that article about qualia again and then we can continue talking, as you apparently didn't understand it. You can attach meaning to any action, that is not the issue here. Rather it is whether the physical act of sex alone can induce happiness. And regarding that my opinion is clear: It not only cannot, but can also cloud your mind and prevent you from focusing on more important things that might actually make you happy. Also, I'm not asexual. I'm just critical of materialism in general and sex in particular. What exactly 'makes you happy' then? |
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Manganese said: What exactly 'makes you happy' then? Me personally? Good question. At the moment I'm spending my free time translating manga and songs and am quite content with that. But am I happy? I don't think so. I think I would be happy if there were someone who loved me and I had a job that I liked. |
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Shiratori99 said: Manganese said: What exactly 'makes you happy' then? Me personally? Good question. At the moment I'm spending my free time translating manga and songs and am quite content with that. But am I happy? I don't think so. I think I would be happy if there were someone who loved me and I had a job that I liked. Emotional fulfilment in other words? |
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Manganese said: Shiratori99 said: Me personally? Good question. At the moment I'm spending my free time translating manga and songs and am quite content with that. But am I happy? I don't think so. I think I would be happy if there were someone who loved me and I had a job that I liked. Emotional fulfilment in other words? If you want to call it that? |
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JD2411 said: it depends on your definition of "sin". some people may take that to mean a religious sin and some people may decide for themselves what they consider sinful. based on this, something is only sinful if you think it's sinful. from this view, it depends on the individual Everyone bow down to the grandeur of JD's logic. |
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| The concept of sin is flawed anyways, so I say it is ok to sin as long as the sin you commit isn't immoral. And example of this would be masturbation. I masturbate virtually everyday. I don't see anything wrong with that LOL. |
YoukaiNoYama said: _Myst said: >Cannot get happiness from sex Wat. I mean maybe if its just some random ho you're paying, or even just casual sex maybe I could agree. Honestly, I can't see how you could not derive happiness from intimacy with someone you love. That's like the whole reason you exist, at the very least a major part of your biology. One of the reasons I can think of are bad childhood experiences. They can ruin your appreciation of intimacy pretty badly, even with a loved one. Equating intimacy with sex is exactly the kind of materialism I'm talking about. The most important thing you need to have a in a relationship with someone is emotional intimacy. You need to be on the same wavelength and trust each other. Even when it comes to physical intimacy, things like hugging and cuddling are much more closely linked with love than sex. Sexual attraction does not discriminate on whether you love a person or not. You are attracted to anyone that matches your type or even your orientation. You can easily have sex with a complete stranger or even someone you hate or disdain. But would you hug or cuddle with them? Hardly. Of course you can put meaning into sex by deciding that you only have sex with someone you love for example. But you could put this meaning into any other action as well, it's just that this is the common role of sex in society. |
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| "Proud founder of the 20+ virgins club." How the fuck can that guy talk about sex ? |
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Shiratori99 said: YoukaiNoYama said: One of the reasons I can think of are bad childhood experiences. They can ruin your appreciation of intimacy pretty badly, even with a loved one. Equating intimacy with sex is exactly the kind of materialism I'm talking about. The most important thing you need to have a in a relationship with someone is emotional intimacy. You need to be on the same wavelength and trust each other. Even when it comes to physical intimacy, things like hugging and cuddling are much more closely linked with love than sex. Sexual attraction does not discriminate on whether you love a person or not. You are attracted to anyone that matches your type or even your orientation. You can easily have sex with a complete stranger or even someone you hate or disdain. But would you hug or cuddle with them? Hardly. Of course you can put meaning into sex by deciding that you only have sex with someone you love for example. But you could put this meaning into any other action as well, it's just that this is the common role of sex in society. Maybe I fumbled my words. To me intimacy isn't complete without those things you just lined out. After rereading your one comment I agree that you can't get happiness from just the physical act of intercourse, or at least I couldn't. |
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_Myst said: I agree that you can't get happiness from just the physical act of intercourse, or at least I couldn't. Yeah but hes talking like its a universal fact, some people really do get happiness from the act of intercourse. Doesn't have to be some kind of man or woman slut to be able to enjoy just the act of sex. He's letting what he has learned from observing from the outside influence an opinion that isn't fully formed without experiencing the act of sex themself. Its like we can judge for ourselves all german soldiers in WWII were monsters but many many cases unseen showed that a lot were just people too, people who fought, who didn't do the monstrous things some of the other soldiers did. The ones who defected or released prisoners but from an outside opinion having only seen war movies and bias documentaries we would probably see the whole german nation as evil, you can't have a factual universal opinion with only half the facts. We can't judge the act of sex as a whole same as we can't judge people as a whole. |
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Gitanos said: You must be new here."Proud founder of the 20+ virgins club." How the fuck can that guy talk about sex ? This is the internet. Where people know everything about anything...even the stuff they don't know anything about nor have any experience with. Thread title is confusing. Are we just talking about sex again or anything that is considered sinful? |
NTAD said: Gitanos said: You must be new here."Proud founder of the 20+ virgins club." How the fuck can that guy talk about sex ? This is the internet. Where people know everything about anything...even the stuff they don't know anything about nor have any experience with. Thread title is confusing. Are we just talking about sex again or anything that is considered sinful? we are talking about anything you consider bad for yourself. |
NTAD said: Thread title is confusing. Are we just talking about sex again or anything that is considered sinful? Yeah it seemed to veer more towards sex last few pages (not surprising) but no its still the original topic, my first post has the basic summed up question I was originally asking in bold. AzuStar said: we are talking about anything you consider bad for yourself. Well more so what society and general population try to tell you are bad and should not be practiced in any way, therefor suppressing emotions humans need to release every now and again to be functioning well rounded people and does suppressing and demonizing such things turn people to dark fetishes and turn others into killers and so on. |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: Well more so what society and general population try to tell you are bad and should not be practiced in any way, therefor suppressing emotions humans need to release every now and again to be functioning well rounded people and does suppressing and demonizing such things turn people to dark fetishes and turn others into killers and so on. oh... i understand now. |
| If it is good to sin? First, we must determine what is a sin. From a religious point of view: (WARNING: Bible passages! If you get butthurt with religion, do skip this) "So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin" (James 4:17) Is it good to sin? "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23) But is it possible to avoid committing sins? "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." (James 4:7) From where comes the sin? "Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death." (James 1:15) As the thread is mostly about sex: Is sex a sin? "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous." (Hebrews 13:4) Sex is not a sin, but adultery/fornication is. "Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. " (Corinthians 6:18) "But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband" (Corinthians 7:2) And what did we learn on one of the first passages? That the wage of the sin is death. So in other words, it is not good to sin, and fornication/adultery are sins. From a not religious point of view: Ehh, I never thought about that. If I were an atheist, there would be nothing holding me back from sinning. |
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| If you wanna go to hell, then yes it is a good idea to sin as much as possible. Remember kiddies...sinning is WINNING LOL. |
Kibura_Iburasa said: Maybe not so much good/bad as it is healthy/unhealthy. While the actions of so-called 'sins' may not ave the best social (or legal) repercussions, suppressing the emotions associated with them usually isn't the best idea since they could probably explode later on, but I think that depends more on the mentality and state of mind of the persons or 'sinners' directly involved. A healthy mind may be able to find a more sensible way to cope with something such as rage rather than walking into a crowded supermarket with an AK-47. As for social media, certain government officials and the general population, it's all opinionated bullshit. It'll change as time moves forward. Sometimes more-so in one direction than the other, but it changes. One person one day will say that sex out of wed-lock is bad and you'll burn in Hell for eternity, the next person to fill their shoes will tell you they bounced around all over the place in college. A lot of times, the people that try to demonize certain things and behaviors are jealous, hypocritical (meaning that they've done it before themselves and/or still are) or are just plain ignorant. I say you do you and just accept the fact that some people will not look as favorably upon you as others, even if it's over something petty. It's not like you have to give any fucks, though. |
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Kibura_Iburasa said: Yeah but hes talking like its a universal fact, some people really do get happiness from the act of intercourse. Doesn't have to be some kind of man or woman slut to be able to enjoy just the act of sex. I disagree. People might think they are happy when they have sex or when they eat a delicious meal or indulge in similar things, but these people most likely have no idea what happiness entails. It's like Marx' definition of happiness, who declared that "happiness is a worker reaping the fruit of his own labor". (Un)fortunately it's much more complex than that. Kibura_Iburasa said: He's letting what he has learned from observing from the outside influence an opinion that isn't fully formed without experiencing the act of sex themself. There's a difference between experience and understanding. I don't know what it feels like to have sex, indeed. But I can very well understand how sex works and what effects it has on people. A doctor doesn't need to have had cancer either to know how it spreads and how to combat it. Kibura_Iburasa said: Its like we can judge for ourselves all german soldiers in WWII were monsters but many many cases unseen showed that a lot were just people too, people who fought, who didn't do the monstrous things some of the other soldiers did. The ones who defected or released prisoners but from an outside opinion having only seen war movies and bias documentaries we would probably see the whole german nation as evil, you can't have a factual universal opinion with only half the facts. We can't judge the act of sex as a whole same as we can't judge people as a whole. What kinda retarded comparison is that? German soldiers are a more or less random group of individuals, sex is an activity. |
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_Myst said: Honestly, I can't see how you could not derive happiness from intimacy with someone you love. That is not classified as a sin though. You are free to do whatever you want, but that does not mean that everything is good for you, a fact many are too quick to forget. |
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| Your pretty much talking about people who don't learn from there mistakes You cant predict how something will influence someone, but I think exposure has a little bit to do with what your talking about, I don't think its good to sin, but if they person obsesses then sometimes you have to let them sin in order for them to be punished. |
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Shiratori99 said: What kinda retarded comparison is that? German soldiers are a more or less random group of individuals, sex is an activity. An activity performed by individuals for different reasons and experiencing different responses. Sex is an interaction between individuals who all react differently and have different values connected to sex. You classify sex as been the exact same experience for everyone but that's not true because you are basing your ideas on biology alone, leaving out the individuals choices, personality, motivations and emotional states. As humans are individuals that can react in a numerous amount of ways to the exact same situation depending on who it is you can't base the universal truth that nobody gets happiness from sex. Its a rather immature and self focused outlook. Especially seen as you yourself exhibit the fact that people can react differently to the same thing. To you sex is nothing but biology that's not fulfilling in any way, ask someone else and they will tell you to them its totally different but you only believe your own opinions you have formed from your own situation. And as others have said, how can you know about something or tell others the truth about something you have never even experienced. Its like someone who watches sports on the tv all day trying to tell a professional runner how to do their job. |
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