HaXXspetten said: I'm not forcing anything on you. I'm merely explaining that your behavior fits under the definition of the word homophobia. I didn't dictate the word's definition, so this really isn't about me or my "ideals" in the slightest.No matter how much you're forcing your ideals on me I have still absolutely nothing against gays and I have no intention of changing that.. so why are you so hell-bent on insulting me for virtually no reason? Sorry if it feels like I'm insulting you. I'm really trying to help you out. You should enjoy your own arousal. Denying yourself that pleasure because "its gay Dx" is just, well, unfortunate. For you. You can continue to be homophobic toward yourself (this was never about other gay people, idk why everybody keeps chiming in with that), I can't really change that. But realize that it is homophobia. Whether or not you want to change that is up to you. |
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| I'm using google's definition: ho·mo·pho·bi·a ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people. And personally, I don't think "extreme" is really needed in that definition. Disliking the taste of salt and having an "extreme" dislike for the taste of salt is still a negative association with the taste of salt. That added adjective is not necessary. Perhaps if there were any synonyms with differing connotations (i.e., "big" and "gargantuan") that would describe differing levels of aversion to homosexuality, but as far as I am aware, no such words exist. You can be homophobic toward yourself. You don't have to be vocal about your homophobia to still fit under that definition. Disliking something because it is gay is homophobia. |
Red_KeysJul 26, 2014 2:37 PM
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| As far as I know the definition of homophobia is based on having fear and/or antipathy towards homosexuals and has nothing to do with your sexuality itself at all. Red_Keys said: That definition doesn't even support your own claim. Being uncomfortable with committing a homosexual act yourself does not in any way mean you have any sort of aversion to homosexuality itself. Feels like you're constantly mixing two things up here.I'm using google's definition: ho·mo·pho·bi·a ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people. |
HaXXspettenJul 26, 2014 2:40 PM
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HaXXspetten said: ..?Being uncomfortable with committing a homosexual act yourself does not in any way mean you have any sort of aversion to homosexuality itself. Yes, being uncomfortable with doing a certain thing because it is homosexual (not because you are not sexually attracted) is exactly the result of having feelings of aversion to homosexuality. |
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| I don't see how HaXXspetten is in any way a homophobe. He just doesn't like two men doing gay stuff. How does that make him a homophobe? He even says that he has nothing against it. And I say that as a bisexual. People who call other homosexuals 'faggots' or stuff like that, those are homophobes. |
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Red_Keys said: In case you don't get it, the difference is one thing is about me, the other is about homosexuality itself.HaXXspetten said: ..?Being uncomfortable with committing a homosexual act yourself does not in any way mean you have any sort of aversion to homosexuality itself. Yes, being uncomfortable with doing a certain thing because it is homosexual (not because you are not sexually attracted) is exactly the result of having feelings of aversion to homosexuality. I am not gay. Therefore I don't want to personally do homosexual things, in whatever shape or form you want. However despite that I have absolutely zero disapproval in any way regarding what homosexual things other people do. The concept of homosexuality itself is completely fine. If you were to seriously claim everyone who didn't want to do gay stuff simply because they wouldn't feel comfortable doing that were homophobes, you do realize that would mean there are maybe billions of homophobic people on this planet, right? Do you really think that is the use the phrase is intended to be used for? Really the only thing this is about is what your thoughts are about homosexuals and homosexuality itself as a concept. If you're fine with people doing that, then you're not a homophobe. It's that simple, there's no need to try and dissect the definition like that. |
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cabacc2 said: omg lulzthe way he phrased it was kinda gay |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| Dude keys youre overdoing it waay too much again. HaXX dislike for something that he previously enjoyed is irrational but not homophobic at all. I dislike the act of marriage and hate what it represents , but I dont hate people who marry. Id be hatin a lot of people. Its basic logic, so dont connect the act with the people. |
| It's threads like these that really make me question the reading ability of MAL's user base. I dislike peas. But I'm ok with other people liking peas. I eat a dish that I think tastes good, and enjoy it thoroughly. I then learn that the dish has peas in it. If I suddenly change my mind, and reject my own enjoyment of that dish because it had peas in it, not because I didn't like the taste (because I did), that would make me "peaphobic". As in, having an irrational aversion to peas. Same concept, replace dish with porn, replace peas with homosexuality. This is not a hard concept. |
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cabacc2 said: Yeah I get that and that is just a stupid way of looking at it. It's a paradoxical because if you're not homosexual then obviously you don't want to do homosexual things. Of course you might normally state that "I'm not gay because I'm not attracted to men" but in the end it's the same damn thing. From a male's perspective, the act of "doing gay stuff" indirectly includes being with another man, and if you're not attracted to men then obviously you don't want do sexual things with them. It's just a means to an end.HaXXspetten said: yeah, you misunderstand him.If you were to seriously claim everyone who didn't want to do gay stuff simply because they wouldn't feel comfortable doing that were homophobes, you do realize that would mean there are maybe billions of homophobic people on this planet, right? Do you really think that is the use the phrase is intended to be used for? What keys says, is that if you dislike homosexuality for other reasons than "not feeling comfortable with doing the act yourself", its considered homophobia. "label & prejudice vs. preference" I misunderstood him too... the way he phrased it was kinda gay, and I hated it because of that. Red_Keys said: On a theoretical level I'd agree with that but I don't really think that parallel works for this topic.It's threads like these that really make me question the reading ability of MAL's user base. I dislike peas. But I'm ok with other people liking peas. I eat a dish that I think tastes good, and enjoy it thoroughly. I then learn that the dish has peas in it. If I suddenly change my mind, and reject my own enjoyment of that dish because it had peas in it, not because I didn't like the taste (because I did), that would make me "peaphobic". As in, having an irrational aversion to peas. Same concept, replace dish with porn, replace peas with homosexuality. This is not a hard concept. Also holy fuck did this thread get derailed -.- |
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Red_Keys said: It's threads like these that really make me question the reading ability of MAL's user base. I dislike peas. But I'm ok with other people liking peas. I eat a dish that I think tastes good, and enjoy it thoroughly. I then learn that the dish has peas in it. If I suddenly change my mind, and reject my own enjoyment of that dish because it had peas in it, not because I didn't like the taste (because I did), that would make me "peaphobic". As in, having an irrational aversion to peas. Same concept, replace dish with porn, replace peas with homosexuality. This is not a hard concept. Yeah but still, being practical again and not only theoretical, it does no harm as long as he stays completely nice and treats homosexuals same way he treats everyone. And as long as it does no harm people can hate everything as much as they like imo. Homophobia would loose its "badness". I guess I have to stress this again, its not the act itself that makes something bad its the consequences. As long as you keep your hate to yourself and dont hurt anybody its all fine and dandy. You can be a closet sexist, homophobist and racist all you damn please as long as you stay in the closet. |
| How the fuck did talking about boners lead to a discussion on homophobia |
| 6 pages dedicated to a post about boners. Welcome to CD. |
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Nerveri said: Because Red_Keys existsHow the fuck did talking about boners lead to a discussion on homophobia |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
Nerveri said: How the fuck did talking about boners lead to a discussion on homophobia Too much dick-chakra gathered in one place, which attracted its natural enemy, homophobia. Now the battle of the century is taking place, and we are waiting to see who will win. |
baki502 said: there's not gonna be a winner, this is just a matter of perspective with a "your word against mine" sort of outcomeNerveri said: How the fuck did talking about boners lead to a discussion on homophobia Too much dick-chakra gathered in one place, which attracted its natural enemy, homophobia. Now the battle of the century is taking place, and we are waiting to see who will win. I.E. we should probably just close this thread already because it's seriously giving me cancer |
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Enema said: I'm not gay but I occasionally like dicks that's hot |
| Can we just stop talking about homophobia and talk about dicks again? |
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HaXXspetten said: we should probably just close this thread already because it's seriously giving me cancer |
| so how about them morning woods the best kind of wood imo |
HaXXspetten said: baki502 said: there's not gonna be a winner, this is just a matter of perspective with a "your word against mine" sort of outcomeToo much dick-chakra gathered in one place, which attracted its natural enemy, homophobia. Now the battle of the century is taking place, and we are waiting to see who will win. I.E. we should probably just close this thread already because it's seriously giving me cancer You really put the fun in HaXXspetten. |
Zeally said: sure aside from the whole "humping the mattress" thing because I'm too lazy to get up and take a pissso how about them morning woods the best kind of wood imo |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
Zeally said: But you can't chop it into firewoodso how about them morning woods the best kind of wood imo |
Zeally said: so how about them morning woods the best kind of wood imo |
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| A discussion about homophobia is, in my opinion, a lot more rewarding than a discussion about having a boner, or whatever insipid shit this thread is actually about. HaXXspetten said: You have failed to present an argument that convinces me that it is not a suitable parallel.Red_Keys said: On a theoretical level I'd agree with that but I don't really think that parallel works for this topic.It's threads like these that really make me question the reading ability of MAL's user base. I dislike peas. But I'm ok with other people liking peas. I eat a dish that I think tastes good, and enjoy it thoroughly. I then learn that the dish has peas in it. If I suddenly change my mind, and reject my own enjoyment of that dish because it had peas in it, not because I didn't like the taste (because I did), that would make me "peaphobic". As in, having an irrational aversion to peas. Same concept, replace dish with porn, replace peas with homosexuality. This is not a hard concept. "I'm not gay" is the same exact thing as refuting the above situation with "but I don't like peas", when you clearly just enjoyed a dish that had peas in it. It's a non-argument that just reinforces your own pea(homo)phobia. You don't want yourself to be gay. You don't want other people to think you're gay. And that right there is homophobia. Whether you like it or not, that's just the reality of it. |
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Red_Keys said: A discussion about homophobia is, in my opinion, a lot more rewarding than a discussion about having a boner, or whatever insipid shit this thread is actually about. HaXXspetten said: You have failed to present an argument that convinces me that it is not a suitable parallel.On a theoretical level I'd agree with that but I don't really think that parallel works for this topic. "I'm not gay" is the same exact thing as refuting the above situation with "but I don't like peas", when you clearly just enjoyed a dish that had peas in it. It's a non-argument that just reinforces your own pea(homo)phobia. You don't want yourself to be gay. You don't want other people to think you're gay. And that right there is homophobia. Whether you like it or not, that's just the reality of it. That doesnt make any sense. You can enjoy a dish despite having incredients you would hate on their own. Ive had that happen to me on multiple times. Or the other way around, dislike something that you like in their pure form but dont like it the way it is prepared. I for example love tomatoes, but I hate them cooked or just even warm. But then I love them as tomato sauce. Your previous parallel made more sense since there you where attributing the irrational dislike to the dish not the pea. |
| Fuck it, I'm homophobic, I don't like faggots so kill me. I came out the closet, just not the way you'd expect it. |
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GuusWayne said: lolFuck it, I'm homophobic, I don't like faggots so kill me. I came out the closet, just not the way you'd expect it. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
GuusWayne said: SHUN HIMFuck it, I'm homophobic, I don't like faggots so kill me. I came out the closet, just not the way you'd expect it. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
GuusWayne said: Fuck it, I'm homophobic, I don't like faggots so kill me. I came out the closet, just not the way you'd expect it. Left or right? Which foot did you step on first getting out of it? |
GuusWayne said: Fuck it, I'm homophobic, I don't like faggots so kill me. I came out the closet, just not the way you'd expect it. Wow, coming out as homophobic after I already posted the article about homophobia just being repressed homosexuality. That takes balls. |
baki502 said: I jumped out.GuusWayne said: Fuck it, I'm homophobic, I don't like faggots so kill me. I came out the closet, just not the way you'd expect it. Left or right? Which foot did you step on first getting out of it? |
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Plate said: GuusWayne said: Fuck it, I'm homophobic, I don't like faggots so kill me. I came out the closet, just not the way you'd expect it. Wow, coming out as homophobic after I already posted the article about homophobia just being repressed homosexuality. That takes balls. Does that mean that if you say youre gay, youre just a closet straight? And I who can be attracted to almost anything if its sexualized, is asexual. The world as we know it is crumbling. |
| bisexuality is too mainstream I'ma hetero hipster |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
baki502 said: Plate said: Wow, coming out as homophobic after I already posted the article about homophobia just being repressed homosexuality. That takes balls. Does that mean that if you say youre gay, youre just a closet straight? And I who can be attracted to almost anything if its sexualized, is asexual. The world as we know it is crumbling. It would mean that, if the study had proved that Opposite Day was real, rather than just that homophobes are aroused by gay porn more than normal straight guys. |
Korrvo said: Most people who claim to be bisexual are actually straight attention whores.bisexuality is too mainstream I'ma hetero hipster Well, at least in the teen population. |
Plate said: Whether it's love or hate, the more you feed something the more it'll grow on you.baki502 said: Does that mean that if you say youre gay, youre just a closet straight? And I who can be attracted to almost anything if its sexualized, is asexual. The world as we know it is crumbling. It would mean that, if the study had proved that Opposite Day was real, rather than just that homophobes are aroused by gay porn more than normal straight guys. cabacc2 said: How am I irrational? You're being irrational.GuusWayne said: Being irrational without realizing it is naiveFuck it, I'm homophobic, I don't like faggots so kill me. I came out the closet, just not the way you'd expect it. Being irrational even though you realize it, is stupid. Being irrational even though you realize it and being proud of that fact, is guuswayne. At this point I ran out of adjectives to describe you, so I'll just use your name as an adjective now. I hope thats fine with you. |
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Nerveri said: I don't doubt it.Korrvo said: Most people who claim to be bisexual are actually straight attention whores.bisexuality is too mainstream I'ma hetero hipster Well, at least in the teen population. |
☕ Truth be told, I'm quite proud of my house blend. To attain my flavor and fragrance, I use five different types of coffee beans. ☕ |
GuusWayne said: How am I irrational? You're being irrational. And Keys asshole is international... Sorry Keys somebody had to be the target of my terrible pun and I dont know anyone more hardu gayu! |
baki502 said: He likes showing guys the ins and outs.GuusWayne said: How am I irrational? You're being irrational. And Keys asshole is international... Sorry Keys somebody had to be the target of my terrible pun and I dont know anyone more hardu gayu! |
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cabacc2 said: I don't want to leave you alone no homo.GuusWayne said: I take that as a compliment.How am I irrational? You're being irrational. And now leave me alone #inb4redkeys |
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