| People have different opinions. Shocking. |
| Since when is it considered his best film? |
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| speaking of studio ghibli there is a rumor that they will not make new films anymore after the last one that will air this year So, Studio Ghibli won't be creating new animated works, but rather, making money off the anime its created so far. The insider added animated films required tremendous amounts of money, so there is pressure for the films to be successful so Ghibli can cover its costly production expenses as well as, I'd imagine, remain healthy and profitable. By the insider's count, each film apparently needs to make at least ten billion yen (US$100 million) to cover all its production costs as well as, I'd imagine, turn a healthy profit. Even with a relatively small staff, the insider puts Ghibli's annual labor expenses at supposedly two billion yen ($19.7 million). Note: These numbers are unconfirmed. http://kotaku.com/studio-ghibli-might-quit-making-feature-films-says-rep-1608198259 |
| ^lol Kotaku Oma266 said: ReaperCreeper said: People worship the ground Miyazaki walks on. Ive heard people on this site talk non stop about PM. I just dont see what makes it that greatSince when is it considered his best film? I have never heard anyone on here talk about it, and it's my favourite anime. |
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Oma266 said: grandy_UiD said: You dont have to be a jerk about it. I'm asking because I think I must have missed something or some concept in the film that makes it so legendary.People have different opinions. Shocking. He's not being a jerk, he is right. You didn't miss anything, you just didn't enjoy it like other people did. There is no magic formula anyone can give you that will lead you into a state of transcendence - you just didn't enjoy it. There isn't anything wrong with that. |
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Oma266 said: Feyfray said: He's not being a jerk, he is right. You didn't miss anything, you just didn't enjoy it like other people did. There is no magic formula anyone can give you that will lead you into a state of transcendence - you just didn't enjoy it. There isn't anything wrong with that. He was being a jerk by being sarcastic. But if Its good how could I have not enjoyed it. It has a 97% on RT. It should be an undeniable good. Impossible to not enjoy. Welcome to the 3%, I guess. |
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Oma266 said: So what is it about this movie that makes it so amazing. I had to have missed something. Why is it your fav? For lots of reasons, most of all because I was fully invested in it at all times, even when rewatching. |
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Oma266 said: Feyfray said: Welcome to the 3%, I guess. Unlikely considering I enjoy all his films. Just disappointing that this film is so over hyped because it has his name attached to it. Oh well. It probably has more to do with your expectations going in than anything else. You probably approached it with a certain mindset and didn't even realize it. Princess Mononoke is slightly "heavier" than his other popular works, so it doesn't have the same feel as my favorites (Totoro and Spirited Away) so maybe that also has something to do with it. |
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| Mononoke wasnt a romance movie. Where did you hear that? Also, for your not enjoing it... It all depends on the taste. |
Oma266 said: Heavier as in more serious? Possibly. I expected it too be amazing so maybe I was asking to be let down. Most of my distaste was I entered expecting a Romance. To see the romance so haf done left me really disappointed. Ill try re-watching understanding its mostly an action film with minimal romance. It's more serious than any of his other works that I have seen - and yeah, watching it expecting romance is setting yourself up to be let down. |
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| Just to answer a few questions: Yes you have been mistaken in thinking this was a romance (how did you even come to that conclusion). Now whether their love is believable or not is up for debate. I generally think a movie of two hours is too short to give the viewer a plausible romance.I actually agree with you that their relationship seemed more platonic. This didn't decrease my enjoyment at all though since I certainly didn't watch it for the romance. If you went into it expecting a good romance I can understand that you'd be disappointed. The ending is not "anti-climatic". The climax is basically everything after the head is shot off, culminating in the forest god falling on top of the town which was all pretty epic if you ask me. Anything after isn't exactly "anti-climatic" either it's simply an open ending. How will their relationship progress? What's gonna happen to the town? Who knows...it's not really important for the point the movie was trying to make. Maybe Ashitaka will just leave because he's bored and some days later everyone will get slaughtered by the emperor's troops. Could happen... As for the animals not being all that sympathetic, well that was kind of the whole point. No faction in this can be considered "right" or "wrong" (except for maybe the emperor). The humans aren't just nasty assholes destroying poor mother nature. They're not doing it for the heck of it, they're trying to make a living. The animals on the other hand are losing their home, however they are indiscriminately slaughtering humans and (at least the boars) are pretty fanatical about it. They are intentionally not portrayed as the poor innnocent victims. Neither humans nor animals are completely in the right. The movie is about co-existence and finding a balance between nature and industrial progress. |
| It has more of a pro-ecological focus through character drama and it also has a more plot driven story making it a more thrilling watch. You care about the character because of what's happening TO THEM, not what's happening just between them, there are simple romance hints, but no actual romance. |
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| Well, since you want to see the good points of it, you could watch this: http://www.jesuotaku.com/retrospective/princess-mononoke/ |
| Here's a good read that could help you see what you've missed in this film and appreciate more its qualities and depth. |
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Oma266 said: The "balance" you speak of was never found. Because this isn't some fairy tale where everything works out in the end. The movie shows the problem and tells us that SOMETHING has to be done about it. But it doesn't tell us WHAT that something has to be because, frankly, Miyazaki probably doesn't have a clue. If he had a definite answer to that question, well shit he shouldn't be making movies but politics instead. Of course he could just throw something at us going "See guys, it's so easy, just do exactly what fantastical stuff I came up with that totally works in a fictional universe. I bet it's gonna work out in real life too because I'm so clever". But he doesn't do that. This is where the open ending comes in again. It's not "happily ever after" because that would be an overly optimistic and downright naive ending. It's "from here on out it's hard work and in the end it might not even work out this time. But it's important to continue trying anyway". Miyazaki addresses a problem that he thinks he should make people aware of, hoping that this could lead to discussion and improvement. However, he isn't quite pretentious enough to pretend to actually know the solution. (although "first of all, stop simply killing and destroying each other" is probably a good first step) |
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Oma266 said: But it was that when they tried to put in romantic elements, they did it poorly. They tried to imply that a completely platonic relationship was something more than that. Which it wasnt. That failed attempt at romance just looked bad. Even though the movie hit its climax, I dont find that to be a valid excuse not to have a conclusive ending. Just because a movie has completed its theme doesnt mean it can just scrap and do whatever with the last 20 minutes. I understand where you are coming from in the 3rd paragraph. But the realization was so forced. How did the movie make its point about Co-existence? Niether side came to an agreement. The emperor presumably still wants the head and will try again to destroy the forest tomorrow and the next day and the next day. Eoboushi somehow magically doesnt want the iron under the forrest anymore? Why? Because the author forced her character to have that change of heart. The whole Eoboushi change of heart is absolute BS. San didnt change, she still hates humans, and Ashitaka seems to not really give a damn about much of anything. Unless the movie was trying to prove that Humans and nature CANNOT coexist then it definitely did not make its point. Because at the end of the movie both sides are still against each other. The emperor still wants the forest gone and San still hates humans. Eoboushi is just a non factor to the story that im disregarding because her character change made no sense. The "balance" you speak of was never found. Not to argue, but I digress on some of those points because I've just finished watching the movie. Firstly, it is evident that San only decided to trust him once the Deer God decided to heal him. It would've come off as cliche if San decided to throw out her lifelong hatred for a guy she barely knows, no matter the extent of her respect and gratefulness towards him. If there was anything odd or forced, it would be how he called her "beautiful" although the one time he saw her beforehand was when her face was smeared with blood, lol. Secondly, a conclusive ending wouldn't seem right. Someone mentioned it above, but it's not "anti-climatic" just "open-ended". I thought the ending was perfect since it keeps you thinking. Thirdly, the Deer God is physically gone. It has now simply become "life" and "death" rather than embodying a being. Once the Emperor is informed of this (assuming it's Jiko who delivers the news), he probably won't try to continue obtaining a head that no longer exists. Maybe inflict punishment for the failure, but certainly not pine for a lost cause (as long as he isn't a fool). I can see that you already understand the duality of the characters, so I won't bother touching upon it. Eboshi has many roles to play - she's a woman who knows when she's beaten and can find other ways to fulfill her ambitions. The main problem I perceive here is that you came into this expecting it to be a romance, and that notion let you down. To me, "Princess Mononoke" provided spectacular commentary on environmental and political issues, and it's choice of characters and their portrayal is something that you don't see everyday... I wouldn't categorize myself as a Miyazaki "fanatic" per se, but I definitely appreciate the deeper meaning he embeds within his work. |
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ReaperCreeper said: Since when is it considered his best film? Yes. Spirited Away is considered his best film. |
| I had very high expectations for this movie and I planned to watch it together with my friends but I'm glad I didn't. While having a good animation and music, it fails so hard at other aspects especially characters. It shouldn't have made it that high in ranking but whatever I wish I could enjoy these shows as much as others do... |
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Takuan_Soho said: Oma266 said: I am a fan of Hayao Miyazaki. Spirited Away is one of my favorite movies EVER. I just completed Princess Mononoke and I am just left scratching my head. How is this his best film? It isn't. It was just the first to have mainstream appeal in the US thanks to the Pixar guy, so English based critics tend to rank it the highest since it was the first one they saw - this foreign adulation then filtered back to Japan which boosted its appeal there. Totoro, Grave of the Fireflies, Nausicaa, Spirted Away, and Laputa would probably be his top five in reality judging on cultural impact. Lolwut? Princess Monoke broke records in Japan long before it was released in the West. Miyazaki didn't make Grave of the Fireflies, Takahata did. |
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