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Jul 13, 2014 12:38 AM
#1
Title. Can the devs just show all the main characters instead of showing the first 4 mains in alphabetical order? For the visual: Into: ^It broke the sites horizontal limit again lol Expected questions: Will this break the site? - No, its a vertical change so it would not really break the site. It's going to be hard to implement this. - No, its a simple IF statement. Mysql and PHP is your friend. This would consume like ~5 lines of code. What if there are like 2 mains only? - That first 3 supporting characters will be outputted. The minimum number of characters displayed on the page will be 5 including the main characters. This is just cosmetic, why not just click 'More Characters' - Stop being a crab. Do you think there is a chance for this to get implemented? - Ha ha ha. EDIT: TLDR; Its for easier navigation for those who just wants to see whose voicing and who are the series' main characters. However this suggestion still has a minimum number of characters displayed so as not to further obstruct that site's navigation. |
CashdaxJul 15, 2014 10:50 PM
Jul 13, 2014 12:55 AM
#2
Good suggestion actually! Another one to add to the "one line of code change or add to the codebase, that would take only five minutes to code" list I'm making... |
Jul 13, 2014 2:26 AM
#3
Jul 15, 2014 6:16 AM
#4
I really like the idea. However, indeed, what if there would be let's say 2 main characters and 20 supporting overall? I wouldn't go listing only a few supporting characters, since that would still "discriminate" others, like it does right now. Although it might look weird, which Serhiyko has pointed out, I would keep strictly to the rule of the main ones being shown directly with supporting only after selecting the "More characters" option. That is if this were to take action, because we have to be consistent in some way, otherwise it would only bring a change to some series in the database. Moreover, we could quickly get the impression of how many main characters there are and how that would result in the story's possible type. In other words, if two characters would be displayed as the main ones in one series while ten characters as the main ones in some other series, we could get an impression of just how much focus would be given on the characters, as well as how in-depth it would go with their progression. It's rather interesting, but the less main characters there are, the more the series focus on the dialogue, or at least that's usually the case. We indeed can judge this from reading off how many characters are set as main now already, but the supporting ones next to them do confuse it a little. Especially if some series are a sequel and a character used to be set as main in the prequel, but is not in this specific release. The Monogatari Series are such an example. but in the end, it's all a psychological effect. ;) All in all, you have my support on the idea. |
SubbedJul 15, 2014 6:21 AM
Jul 15, 2014 6:35 AM
#5
Jul 15, 2014 7:18 AM
#6
Subpyro said: About the discrimination, no it does not exist. They are just alphabetically arranged but with the main characters as a priority.I really like the idea. However, indeed, what if there would be let's say 2 main characters and 20 supporting overall? I wouldn't go listing only a few supporting characters, since that would still "discriminate" others, like it does right now. Although it might look weird, which Serhiyko has pointed out, I would keep strictly to the rule of the main ones being shown directly with supporting only after selecting the "More characters" option. That is if this were to take action, because we have to be consistent in some way, otherwise it would only bring a change to some series in the database. Moreover, we could quickly get the impression of how many main characters there are and how that would result in the story's possible type. In other words, if two characters would be displayed as the main ones in one series while ten characters as the main ones in some other series, we could get an impression of just how much focus would be given on the characters, as well as how in-depth it would go with their progression. It's rather interesting, but the less main characters there are, the more the series focus on the dialogue, or at least that's usually the case. We indeed can judge this from reading off how many characters are set as main now already, but the supporting ones next to them do confuse it a little. Especially if some series are a sequel and a character used to be set as main in the prequel, but is not in this specific release. The Monogatari Series are such an example. but in the end, it's all a psychological effect. ;) All in all, you have my support on the idea. This suggestion, in any way would not change anything on the database. Anime pages are always and is prone to spoilers such as Angel Beats, this would affect like a percentage but not spoil everything. If you get impressions from the number of main characters, then a handful of anime already did (has <2 main characters), so this does not change everything. |
CashdaxJul 15, 2014 7:25 AM
Jul 15, 2014 8:05 AM
#7
Serhiyko said: I haven't Excuse me, it seems I somehow jumped over the latter part of your sentence. Yeah, you did say only if the main character number is four or exceeds it. Sorry for that. Cashdaxxx said: About the discrimination, no it does not exist. They are just alphabetically arranged but with the main characters as a priority. I know, that's why I said "discrimination". What I was focusing on is who gets put up on the main page by default and who not. Simply because their name comes before someone's else, do they have to be split if their roles are the same? I don't find that exactly rounded up. At first glace, I thought this was what the suggestion was about. To bring more consistency to the main page shown by default when searching some series in the database. My suggestion and yours are pretty much equivalent, none would change the database, it seems you misunderstood me. Being perfectly honest, I re-read your last paragraph in post #6 multiple times and still cannot understand it. If you can argue regarding my idea of having only main characters put on the page displayed, I can argue that you can simply click "More characters" and everything is fixed. You see them all, only if you take a second. Either way, I find it okay as it currently is - you can navigate and search everything up easily. This suggestion is extremely minor, so I would not like to go into in-depth discussion for nothing. If you disagree with my idea (if you even understand it), then cool, stick to your starting suggestion purely. Hope the time input will be worth it. |
SubbedJul 15, 2014 8:13 AM
Jul 15, 2014 8:29 AM
#8
Subpyro said: Being perfectly honest, I re-read your last paragraph in post #6 multiple times and still cannot understand it. If you can argue regarding my idea of having only main characters put on the page displayed, I can argue that you can simply click "More characters" and everything is fixed. You see them all, only if you take a second. He meant that when the number of main characters is less than four, you can already see that without going to "More characters". He probably ignored the fact that it's not easily visible Subpyro said: This suggestion is extremely minor, so I would not like to go into in-depth discussion for nothing. Which means the probability of it being implemented in the next ten years is 0.0000000000000000 0000000000000000000000 Wait, it's negative |
Jul 15, 2014 10:18 AM
#9
It's not discrimination, it's how data was called, parsed, and displayed through a MySQL statement. It just happened that the main anime page defaults to 4 characters in comparison to the manga page which is 7. Yes its so minor that it takes ~5 minutes to code, a developer myself says so. Its for easier navigation for those who just wants to see whose voicing and who are the series' main characters. I have already put the 'Just click the more characters' on the expected questions, read it again. I don't even know what your actual suggestion is actually, there's a visual representation of what I want on post #1. About post #6, let me spell it out for you: Cashdaxxx said: Effort on input? Read the fifth bullet. Also my signature if you don't mind.About the discrimination, no it does not exist. They are just alphabetically arranged but with the main characters as a priority. - see bolded statement above. This suggestion, in any way would not change anything on the database. Anime pages are always and is prone to spoilers such as Angel Beats, this would affect like a percentage but not spoil everything. - As an example, the anime Angel Beats shows the names and roles of all characters even though they will only be introduced later on the series. This in effect will spoil those who have yet to know it, in which the current settings already does so. If you get impressions from the number of main characters, then a handful of anime already did (has <2 main characters), so this does not change everything. - It's stupid to get impressions from just the main/supporting characters. Probably just how you view it, but storytelling varies from one series to another. The number of main characters might not even matter to some except during probably the final confrontation. (eg. episodic storytelling) I've always thought that my suggestion is already really obvious and simple that anyone can understand, I don't know why and how did you connect it with 'discrimination'. I'm not saying that supporting characters doesn't deserve to be on the spotlight because they might or might not contribute to the plot of the story, that's what the 'More Characters' button will be for. |
CashdaxJul 15, 2014 10:33 AM
Jul 15, 2014 10:34 AM
#10
Judging from your response in bold text there, you obviously can't read between the lines what that quotation mark was meant to represent. No, I do not think it's discrimination. I've later on explained, which you didn't understand, that I just do not like that fact that the supporting characters are cut off just like that. That is if anything, because the way the system is now, it is far more than sufficient enough. Yeah, I see that you didn't understand a thing I've said, because you're steaming off for nothing. You're steaming off at something even you don't understand. And if there's something you don't understand, it must be against you, right? Wrong. I agreed with your idea, but have simply added more suggestion(s) on it. That's it. In my next post, where I've already seen that you don't understand what I've meant, I said to drop it (my idea). Simply keep to your original, because you won't understand it any more than you do now, or so I foresee. The same goes for my point of the effort put. You misunderstood it. I was focusing on the effort of us going in discussion what my suggestion was, not what yours is. And no, when I said that there is a "More characters" option, I wasn't asking a thing. That was a statement that proves how the way the system is now is sufficient enough. On short, let's drop it. If anything, let's keep it to your idea only, because I saw that I was going nowhere from your first reply already. |
SubbedJul 15, 2014 10:38 AM
Jul 15, 2014 10:44 AM
#11
Subpyro said: I know that the quotation marks are for, what I didn't get is how did 'discrimination' (which is very far-flung) went into the picture. I can't even see any suggestions from you on posts #4 and #7. I just simply cleared, and explained out the 'misunderstanding' on post #6.Judging from your response in bold text there, you obviously can't read between the lines what that quotation mark was meant to represent. No, I do not think it's discrimination. I've later on explained, which you didn't understand, that I just do not like that fact that the supporting characters are cut off just like that. That is if anything, because the way the system is now, it is far more than sufficient enough. Yeah, I see that you didn't understand a thing I've said, because you're steaming off for nothing. You're steaming off at something even you don't understand. And if there's something you don't understand, it must be against you, right? Wrong. I agreed with your idea, but have simply added more suggestion(s) on it. That's it. In my next post, where I've already seen that you don't understand what I've meant, I said to drop it (my idea). Simply keep to your original, because you won't understand it any more than you do now, or so I foresee. The same goes for my point of the effort put. You misunderstood it. I was focusing on the effort of us going in discussion what my suggestion was, not what yours is. On short, let's drop it. If anything, let's keep it to yours only, because I saw that I was going nowhere from your first reply already. Also, steaming off is actually off the point as I frequently post with emphasis. Just like what you've posted 'it's all a psychological effect'. I've been reading and replying to you calmly and with literally 0 hostility. |
Jul 15, 2014 10:59 AM
#12
Excuse me, but I didn't understand you yet again. When I've said "It's all a psychological effect.", I was focusing on the possible matter of the supporting characters being shown alongside main characters in the series' page on default, yet holding different power in the story itself. Naturally, it is told which characters are main ones in the series shown and which are supporting, but if it were to actually show main characters only by default, I believe there would be less confusion on the matter. I gave an example of the Monogatari Series, as those tend to switch the characters as main in one series with supporting in the other, repeating that back and fourth. But yet again, let's drop this (this is getting a little funny). If you haven't understood me this far, you probably won't understand me any better now, not in what I meant nor in what I was focusing on when writing specific lines. All you need to know: It's a good idea. Keep it active. Oh, wait, you're already doing so. |
Jul 15, 2014 11:09 AM
#13
Subpyro said: Yes, its actually really funny because the guy the keeps saying that I didn't understand actually didn't read 'between the lines' lolololol. Excuse me, but I didn't understand you yet again. When I've said "It's all a psychological effect.", I was focusing on the possible matter of the supporting characters being shown alongside main characters in the series' page on default, yet holding different power in the story itself. Naturally, it is told which characters are main ones in the series shown and which are supporting, but if it were to actually show main characters only by default, I believe there would be less confusion on the matter. I gave an example of the Monogatari Series, as those tend to switch the characters as main in one series with supporting in the other, repeating that back and fourth. But yet again, let's drop this (this is getting a little funny). If you haven't understood me this far, you probably won't understand me any better now, not in what I meant nor in what I was focusing on when writing specific lines. All you need to know: It's a good idea. Keep it active. Oh, wait, you're already doing so. I just quoted your 'It's all a psychological effect' because you thought that I'm steaming off (#10) due to the added emphasis on my posts. Yes I'm actually quoting you, but with different context of course. |
Jul 15, 2014 11:11 AM
#14
Subpyro said: All you need to know: It's a good idea. Keep it active. |
SubbedJul 16, 2014 7:58 AM
Jul 15, 2014 11:17 AM
#15
Jul 15, 2014 11:21 AM
#16
Serhiyko said: He suggests that only main characters are shown on the anime page, without supporting characters This was my entire suggestion, with all of the rest text being an explanation on why I feel that would be better than the current way of display. As a stand-alone one-liner, one might find such a suggestion silly and unnecessary, that's why I took it long and wide to explain my reasoning. Unfortunately, it wasn't quite successful. |
Jul 15, 2014 6:46 PM
#17
Serhiyko said: Dude that sounds really familiar, oh wait its the 2nd sentence on post #1. (lol) Seems like the screenshots didn't help either.Cashdaxxx said: I can't even see any suggestions from you on posts #4 and #7. He suggests that only main characters are shown on the anime page, without supporting characters Entire suggestion? Rest text being an explanation? It wasn't quite successful due to this, 'I would keep strictly to the rule of the main ones being shown directly with supporting only after selecting the "More characters" option' followed by a cons-idea on the following paragraphs (post #4) and also 'My suggestion and yours are pretty much equivalent' (post #7). Also 'I agreed with your idea, but have simply added more suggestion(s) on it' (post #10). - Which anyone who really read will think that's its another suggestion but relevant to the main point, however its just the same thing. The only thing that threw me off the most was his representation of 'discrimination' that I actually emphasized on all my posts (its off-topic and its hilarious). Seriously, check the words of your posts because ALL the details matter. TLDR; You failed to represent your idea on post #7 when you thought that I was steaming off (lol) on post #6 in which actually I was only answering your post #4 but per paragraph (In which you failed to understand). Read and understand the first post so that everyone can discuss it. Then went rambo and started to post words such as 'you don't understand' on post #10 (omg you don't understand so let's drop this, derp). Please read what I posted carefully, I did it without proper emphasis because people might think that I'm steaming off. |
CashdaxJul 15, 2014 7:32 PM
Jul 15, 2014 9:59 PM
#18
Cashdax said: Serhiyko said: Dude that sounds really familiar, oh wait its the 2nd sentence on post #1. (lol) Seems like the screenshots didn't help either.He suggests that only main characters are shown on the anime page, without supporting characters I see quite the opposite though... Cashdax said: What if there are like 2 mains only? - That first 3 supporting characters will be outputted. The minimum number of characters displayed on the page will be 5 including the main characters. |
SerhiykoJul 16, 2014 3:44 AM
Jul 15, 2014 10:11 PM
#19
^ And that's why I have spoken in the first place. In any way, I'm out. I assume there will be nothing productive shared here in the future anymore. Also, judging from the fact that you only argued and didn't accept any support shows like no one is welcome anyway. Until then. Subpyro said: All you need to know: It's a good idea. Keep it active.[/size] |
SubbedJul 15, 2014 10:19 PM
Jul 15, 2014 10:17 PM
#20
Cashdax said: [/quote]So that's what you mean, and no its not the opposite. What if there are like 2 mains only? - That first 3 supporting characters will be outputted. The minimum number of characters displayed on the page will be 5 including the main characters. An anime page with just a single main character would actually look 'sad' (and not to mention 'bland') that's why I listed a catch (bullet #3). I was under the impression that he is against this so called 'discrimination' so I ignored these circumstances. The objective of this suggestion is For easier navigation for those who just wants to see whose voicing and who are the series' main characters. and have no reason to further obstruct the navigation of the site. Subpyro said: No, I have written what I want as simple as possible. It was your idea that was not clear and not reasonable enough. I'm simply defending my point from your 'discrimination' in which clearly took the spotlight. And that's why I have spoken in the first place. It's rather amusing how one is willing to start a blood war, convinced he/she has written something he/she clearly hasn't. Also war lol, are you still continuing your 'steaming off'? Subpyro said: Of course I willAll you need to know: It's a good idea. Keep it active. Oh, wait, you're already doing so. Support is agreeing to the idea, this automatically presents that you have read and understood the points that I made specially under the 'Expected Questions'. Your suggestion is against bullet #3 that why it didn't make any sense to me. Mod Edit: Removed wrong quote. |
VudisJul 17, 2014 9:45 AM
Jul 15, 2014 10:23 PM
#21
First off, Serhiyko has never agreed with my idea. He has only pointed out what I meant, so no need to start pointing on him and saying that was his thinking. Second off, I have clearly stated that the "discriminarion" focuses on the strength of the role. If the main characters are split from the supporting ones, that is natural and okay, since the difference in the role they play is evident. However, splitting just some supporting characters apart is a different story. Try to argue a bit less and understand others a bit more. Only after that, either approve or decline. Now I'm really out. I was just kind of impressed how many false understandings you've shared in one single post that I had to respond. Edit: And no, I liked the idea, not your "extra points under it". That's pretty much bull crap deflecting all sorts of discussion down there, like anyone would support that. |
VudisJul 17, 2014 9:48 AM
Jul 15, 2014 10:37 PM
#22
Subpyro said: The extra points does not deflect any discussion, it falls under Scope and Limitations that I'm used to do. I even used 'Expected questions' to make it even mooooore simple.Edit: And no, I liked the idea, not your "extra points under it". That's pretty much bull crap deflecting all sorts of discussion down there, like anyone would support that. |
Jul 15, 2014 10:38 PM
#23
Just for the sake of this thread not being locked in the future, let me remind you that threads must bring up some sort of a discussion. Your "starting guidelines" are what basically destroy just-that. Why shouldn't someone share his/her opinion or expand the idea in the way he/she seems fit? Because you blacklisted the possibility? No. Such discussion killers deserve to be locked and closed, since the main point is already there. It seems the OP doesn't want any sort of replies, other than robots saying "I agree!". In that case, the thread has no reason to stay open. |
Jul 15, 2014 10:44 PM
#24
Subpyro said: Like what you've said, this suggestion is really minor and has very little things to be discussed. Just for the sake of this thread not being locked in the future, let me remind you that threads must bring up some sort of a discussion. Your "starting guidelines" are what basically destroy just-that. Why shouldn't someone share his/her opinion or expand the idea in the way he/she seems fit? Because you blacklisted the possibility? No. Such discussion killers deserve to be locked and closed, since the main point is already there. It seems the OP doesn't want any sort of replies, other than robots saying "I agree!". In that case, the thread has no reason to stay open. And having a hundred agree(s) does not mean that it will be implemented. |
Jul 16, 2014 5:09 AM
#25
Cashdax said: So that's what you mean, and no its not the opposite. To avoid further confusion, I'll make it as simple as I possibly can Your suggestion: display all main characters Me: agreed Subpyro: agreed Part of your suggestion: if there are less then five main characters, show supporting characters Mine suggestion: if there are less than four main characters, show supporting characters Subpyro's suggestion: never show supporting characters Cashdax said: Like what you've said, this suggestion is really minor and has very little things to be discussed. Yet we disagree with some parts of this really minor suggestion, specifically the number of displayed supporting characters, so we try to discuss it with you |
Jul 16, 2014 6:36 AM
#26
Let's forget about the phrase 'the number of displayed supporting characters', as they are not the main objective as seen on post #1. this would lead into another discrimination discussion again so please dont Instead: 'The minimum number of characters shown on the anime page' - as I have addressed already on bullet #3 (which is 5 characters). These numbers doesn't even need to be discussed because we have different preferences. |
Jul 16, 2014 7:50 AM
#27
Cashdax said: Let's forget about the phrase 'the number of displayed supporting characters', as they are not the main objective as seen on post #1. So if it's not the main objective, we don't have any right to say about it? Cashdax said: Instead: 'The minimum number of characters shown on the anime page' - as I have addressed already on bullet #3 (which is 5 characters). Why should it be five characters? Why should it be up to your preferences? Why did you already decide it all in our place? Cashdax said: These numbers doesn't even need to be discussed because we have different preferences. But that's the only thing to discuss here. There's nothing to discuss about the main objective, because we already all agreed on it |
Jul 16, 2014 8:23 AM
#28
Serhiyko said: Decide it all in our place? 'I' prefer 5, you prefer 4, and the other as just main characters. I say it again, we have our own preferences.Cashdax said: But that's the only thing to discuss here. There's nothing to discuss about the main objective, because we already all agreed on itThese numbers doesn't even need to be discussed because we have different preferences. Serhiyko said: That's why I rewrote the phrase, right? It fits and describes the general idea better.Cashdax said: So if it's not the main objective, we don't have any right to say about it?Let's forget about the phrase 'the number of displayed supporting characters', as they are not the main objective as seen on post #1. |
CashdaxJul 16, 2014 8:27 AM
Jul 17, 2014 9:52 AM
#29
Thread cleaned. Cleaned a bit of wrong quotes. As for the sake of the thread: People will want to discuss/argue about your suggestion. Whether it gets implemented or not shouldn't really matter but please let other people have different opinions. That's what a forum is all about after all. |
Jul 17, 2014 11:01 AM
#30
Vudis said: Thread cleaned. Cleaned a bit of wrong quotes. So now Cashdax replies to himself? Well done, now it makes much more sense Cashdax said: That's why I rewrote the phrase, right? It fits and describes the general idea better. Actually I don't understand what you mean by that rewritten phrase. Did you abandon the part about the number of supporting characters, or do you still insist on it? |
SerhiykoJul 17, 2014 11:19 AM
Jul 17, 2014 4:04 PM
#31
Serhiyko said: //n = # of main charactersCashdax said: That's why I rewrote the phrase, right? It fits and describes the general idea better. Actually I don't understand what you mean by that rewritten phrase. Did you abandon the part about the number of supporting characters, or do you still insist on it? //m = # of minimum characters shown if (n < m), then print # of supporting characters from the difference of m & n. |
Jul 17, 2014 4:16 PM
#32
Cashdax said: //n = # of main characters //m = # of minimum characters shown if (n < m), then print # of supporting characters from the difference of m & n. Even if you rephrased it, it still remains the same I think m should be four, the way it is now Cashdax said: (which is 5 characters). I disagree Cashdax said: Decide it all in our place? 'I' prefer 5, you prefer 4, and the other as just main characters. I say it again, we have our own preferences. But only one will be implemented. Hence a compromise: let's make the minimum characters shown optional (set via settings) I think it's a really great (optional) addition to your suggestion: everyone will be able to set it to one's preferences - from 1 to, let's say, 8 For you to not misunderstand me, I repeat: this is an optional addition to your suggestion, which means it may or may not be implemented with your suggestion, but it would be nice |
SerhiykoJul 17, 2014 4:25 PM
Jul 17, 2014 4:43 PM
#33
^ I understand what you mean and I also thought about it being user-customized. But the way MAL runs (something breaks if another is fixed), I dropped the idea. I had to think of a simple code that is not dependent from MAL's code base. |
CashdaxJul 17, 2014 4:47 PM
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