| ^^^ if you enjoy the the cardboard cutout "battle shonen formula" that the big three follow to the letter then your already at a disposition with HxH as it dosent follow it and at times does the exact opposite(CA being the prime example) |
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StefanHere said: ^^^ if you enjoy the the cardboard cutout "battle shonen formula" that the big three follow to the letter then your already at a disposition with HxH as it dosent follow it and at times does the exact opposite(CA being the prime example) What cardboard cutout formula? What is this imaginary thing I keep hearing about? I would be more than willing to wager it's just a bunch of points that HxH is also guilty of. |
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RedRoseFring said: StefanHere said: ^^^ if you enjoy the the cardboard cutout "battle shonen formula" that the big three follow to the letter then your already at a disposition with HxH as it dosent follow it and at times does the exact opposite(CA being the prime example) What cardboard cutout formula? What is this imaginary thing I keep hearing about? I would be more than willing to wager it's just a bunch of points that HxH is also guilty of. effort, friendship, victory ofcorse HxH has them but its when it leaves it is when people have the most problems with the series and when others stay true to it and all people have is praise for it |
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StefanHere said: Sounds like a load of bullshit. You do know that you have two of them rated an 8 and above right? One Piece even has a 10.effort, friendship, victory ofcorse HxH has them but its when it leaves it is when people have the most problems with the series and when others stay true to it and all people have is praise for it those types of viewers should stick with the big 3 |
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IntroverTurtle said: StefanHere said: Sounds like a load of bullshit. You do know that you have two of them rated an 8 and above right? One Piece even has a 10.effort, friendship, victory ofcorse HxH has them but its when it leaves it is when people have the most problems with the series and when others stay true to it and all people have is praise for it those types of viewers should stick with the big 3 yea One piece is the 2nd best anime i'll ever see and probably the best marathoning experience but its still just Luffy expanding his crew/allies going from place to place and it will be until it ends bleach was an amazing action experience on par with DBZ in that aspect everything else was below average cant find the 3rd one but i rate on experience if i actually rated on what they are then it would be very different HxH is the best shonen ive seen on paper and actually watching it so i hold it above all else |
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StefanHere said: HxH is just an anime where he goes from here to there and will be until it ends. You can simplify any anime.yea One piece is the 2nd best anime i'll ever see and probably the best marathoning experience but its still just Luffy expanding his crew/allies going from place to place and it will be until it ends bleach was an amazing action experience on par with DBZ in that aspect everything else was below average cant find the 3rd one but i rate on experience if i actually rated on what they are then it would be very different HxH is the best shonen ive seen on paper and actually watching it so i hold it above all else I also don't see how you're talking about how they all fit that formula. The third one? |
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RedRoseFring said: Wait a minute. Which shounens have fights at the end of every single arc? And funny enough, the last 2 fights of the last 2 arcs were won precisely because the opponent was "just stronger than them." This is making no sense. Meruem did not win that fight. What happened to him, instead, illustrates well the manner in which Hunter x Hunter regularly subverts the various tropes and clichés that you would expect to find in a battle shounen. No idea which other arc you're referring to. The antagonist of Greed Island was far stronger than Gon. Liking or disliking HxH has no bearing on liking the Big 3 either. Your post may just be more confusing than helpful. It does. I've been following the Big 3 for ten years, now, but despite any nostalgic affection I may have for them, Hunter x Hunter and Jojo are really the only battle shonen that I can be bothered to keep up with anymore. HxH is a unique beast, and it avoids many of the pitfalls that have gradually turned me off of its peers. |
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IntroverTurtle said: StefanHere said: HxH is just an anime where he goes from here to there and will be until it ends. You can simplify any anime.yea One piece is the 2nd best anime i'll ever see and probably the best marathoning experience but its still just Luffy expanding his crew/allies going from place to place and it will be until it ends bleach was an amazing action experience on par with DBZ in that aspect everything else was below average cant find the 3rd one but i rate on experience if i actually rated on what they are then it would be very different HxH is the best shonen ive seen on paper and actually watching it so i hold it above all else I also don't see how you're talking about how they all fit that formula. The third one? two 8's and one piece= 3 your taking my generalization on big three viewers too personally i'll delete the last line as it is way to easy to take it the wrong way the formula is still effort + friendship = victory Luffy's effort for a crew member = victory Naruto's effort for his friendship with Sasuke = victory Ichigo effort for Orihime/Rukia = victory even HxH uses it during Zoldyck "rescue" thats a skeleton of most shonen jump series and of corse there are other times where it isn't used but for the main plot point's it is |
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StefanHere said: IntroverTurtle said: Sounds like a load of bullshit. You do know that you have two of them rated an 8 and above right? One Piece even has a 10. yea One piece is the 2nd best anime i'll ever see and probably the best marathoning experience but its still just Luffy expanding his crew/allies going from place to place and it will be until it ends bleach was an amazing action experience on par with DBZ in that aspect everything else was below average cant find the 3rd one but i rate on experience if i actually rated on what they are then it would be very different HxH is the best shonen ive seen on paper and actually watching it so i hold it above all else I guess I agree with your view. hunter x hunter truly is unpredictable, it always goes in an entire differebt direction, and I've always loved the execution of each one. Glad to see Togashi plan his ideas. I would like to note that hunter x hunter's 'effort' is more about their natural struggle against something, rather than the supernatural will to keep moving forward... I like that. |
StefanHere said: effort, friendship, victory ofcorse HxH has them but its when it leaves it is when people have the most problems with the series and when others stay true to it and all people have is praise for it That's pretty awful. Those are the principles of Shounen Jump...I would have thought that you had something actually significantly different between HxH and the ''big 3''. Naruto's effort for his friendship with Sasuke = victory When did that happen? His effort and friendship didn't do shit, when he lost to Sasuke in the valley. Or when he met him again, and was weaker than Sasuke. He never became ''victorious'' in bringing Sasuke back, and his friendship didn't give him any strength. |
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| Hisoka's personality... Other than that it's the perfect prototype of a "shounen done right". By far the best one out there. OP is up there, but it isn't as consistent in quality as HxH is. |
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I_Am_Awesome said: yes i like Hisoka too, that's why i mentioned him in my OP When will Gon meet his dad, you all said it will happen but I'm at ep 130 and there have been no hints of that so far, im getting very impatient WHEN WHEN WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will happen in the upcoming episodes, in the current new arc. I don't know why you want to see it. It was underwhelming and meh to say the least. |
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I_Am_Awesome said: yes i like Hisoka too, that's why i mentioned him in my OP When will Gon meet his dad, you all said it will happen but I'm at ep 130 and there have been no hints of that so far, im getting very impatient WHEN WHEN WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't see why you care so much about seeing Gon meeting his Dad. Ging is pretty much a MacGuffin in human form. |
tsudecimo said: StefanHere said: effort, friendship, victory ofcorse HxH has them but its when it leaves it is when people have the most problems with the series and when others stay true to it and all people have is praise for it That's pretty awful. Those are the principles of Shounen Jump...I would have thought that you had something actually significantly different between HxH and the ''big 3''. Naruto's effort for his friendship with Sasuke = victory When did that happen? His effort and friendship didn't do shit, when he lost to Sasuke in the valley. Or when he met him again, and was weaker than Sasuke. He never became ''victorious'' in bringing Sasuke back, and his friendship didn't give him any strength. there have been plenty of threads on how HxH is different and i wasn't talking about nakama powerups the reason for shippuden is for Naruto to find Sasuke and save their friendship he's putting in effort to save his friendship and by the end he will be victorious |
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StefanHere said: tsudecimo said: That's pretty awful. Those are the principles of Shounen Jump...I would have thought that you had something actually significantly different between HxH and the ''big 3''. When did that happen? His effort and friendship didn't do shit, when he lost to Sasuke in the valley. Or when he met him again, and was weaker than Sasuke. He never became ''victorious'' in bringing Sasuke back, and his friendship didn't give him any strength. there have been plenty of threads on how HxH is different and i wasn't talking about nakama powerups the reason for shippuden is for Naruto to find Sasuke and save their friendship he's putting in effort to save his friendship and by the end he will be victorious You forgot when he nakama powered up for Hinata, and by going 4 tails on Orochi for insulting Sasuke. Whereas in hunter x hunter, everything has a price, |
TonyTonyStark said: StefanHere said: there have been plenty of threads on how HxH is different and i wasn't talking about nakama powerups the reason for shippuden is for Naruto to find Sasuke and save their friendship he's putting in effort to save his friendship and by the end he will be victorious You forgot when he nakama powered up for Hinata, and by going 4 tails on Orochi for insulting Sasuke. Whereas in hunter x hunter, everything has a price, Whoops |
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LunarMoon said: Meruem did not win that fight. What happened to him, instead, illustrates well the manner in which Hunter x Hunter regularly subverts the various tropes and clichés that you would expect to find in a battle shounen. No idea which other arc you're referring to. The antagonist of Greed Island was far stronger than Gon. Meruem DID win that fight if you consider the abilities of the fighters. If you consider the weapons they used, then it remains the same because the bomb was stronger than Meruem. Gon also beat Pitou because he was much stronger. It does. I've been following the Big 3 for ten years, now, but despite any nostalgic affection I may have for them, Hunter x Hunter and Jojo are really the only battle shonen that I can be bothered to keep up with anymore. HxH is a unique beast, and it avoids many of the pitfalls that have gradually turned me off of its peers. Are you talking about the anime or manga here? Because both have been on hiatus and in terms of anime, they are the most recent ones. That statement would have been remarkable if they all started at the same time. |
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StefanHere said: You are yet to lay out this elusive "cardboard cutout" formula you were talking about. HxH has everything you have already mentioned in droves. All you are doing is just proving that is just like every other shounen. |
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