Puella Magi Madoka Magica
| I've seen a lot of hate about this show. I personally enjoyed it, but is there anyone who find this show terrible? |
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| It's ranked #50. Whatever hate the show get is just vocal minority. I didn't hate it, but I would have enjoyed it a lot more, if it weren't for the characters, who I all dislike except for Homura. |
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| The faces are too wide. |
| Cuz i can man |
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Ckan said: The faces are too wide. |
| The fanbase is too loud. |
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tsudecimo said: if it weren't for the characters, who I all dislike except for Homura. Wrong opinion, because Sayaka > Homura. |
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| I think this show has got a lot of hate because it's attracted people who aren't that knowledgeable about anime, some of whom have said that what's great about it is that it turns all our conceptions about MS shows upside down, deconstructs the genre, etc. (Which has an element of truth, but has no doubt been overstated.) This has prompted quite a few people to put the noobs in their place by saying that PMMM isn't so great, and it's not as interesting or revolutionary as X, Y or Z. However, this too is overstated, because the motivation of such put downs is as much to show you're an experienced anime watcher as to provide a measured assessment of the show. In my opinion, PMMM is awesome partly (but only partly) because of the ways that it plays with genre expectations - but if that were the whole story it would only bear one watching. What's *really* great about it is that it's a superbly crafted story, with interesting characters, deep ideas, amazing music, original animation, etc. In other words, it's a great show from *lots* of points of view - the whole package. In short, like Homura and Sayaka, the show's fans and haters probably got off on the wrong foot... |
| "Burn this sight into your minds. This is what it means to be a magical girl." |
WatchingYouPost said: Botato said: Your opinion is wrong because Sayaka sucks.Wrong opinion, because Sayaka > Homura. Yes. But on a more serious note. I think Sayaka was a better written character, but that doesn't automatically makes her likable in my eyes, or erase my dislike for her. |
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WatchingYouPost said: Botato said: Your opinion is wrong because Sayaka sucks.Wrong opinion, because Sayaka > Homura. Kyoko best girl. |
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
| I don't hate this show, but I don't consider myself a fan of it. Personally don't consider it very memorable, don't care for any of the characters (I don't like many female characters in general) and I expected a lot more because of everyone's spoilers warnings LOL |
WatchingYouPost said: Botato said: Your opinion is wrong because Sayaka sucks.Wrong opinion, because Sayaka > Homura. Lolno. tsudecimo said: But on a more serious note. I think Sayaka was a better written character, but that doesn't automatically makes her likable in my eyes, or erase my dislike for her. Well, to each his own. Who am I kidding, you're still wrong. JabonHR said: Let's turn this to best girl topic :DKyoko best girl. |
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Chuunichan said: No you haven't.I've seen a lot of hate about this show. It's ranked very high, people constantly rave about it, and the people who don't usually still say it's okay. Only the occasional person will attack a show like this and it's usually just to make people like you mad so they can get a good laugh at the cry of "hater"; the most pathetic word in any fanboy's vocabulary. No one cares that it's your favourite show because "the feels man" and you feel the need to defend it. Threads like this have been done to death and are really rather annoying. |
JabonHR said: Kyoko best girl. I approve. |
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Slyr3do0n said: Chuunichan said: No you haven't.I've seen a lot of hate about this show. It's ranked very high, people constantly rave about it, and the people who don't usually still say it's okay. Only the occasional person will attack a show like this and it's usually just to make people like you mad so they can get a good laugh at the cry of "hater"; the most pathetic word in any fanboy's vocabulary. No one cares that it's your favourite show because "the feels man" and you feel the need to defend it. Threads like this have been done to death and are really rather annoying. Well, I made this thread because I met someone who didn't just hate it. He hated it for a stupid reason. He pointed out 'plotholes' which are already explained. And he wrote a so-called review which is just he bashing the show. |
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| There is a lot of random/undeserved hate for many series not just Madoka. The question is why do they feel the need to write bullshit that most of the time is nitpicking that they wouldnt with their favs or they just conviently ignore many parts of the story to create plotholes etc.. |
RLinksoul said: I'm honestly amazed by how little hate I see for the series. Honestly the only hate I've really seen for it is from anons on tumblr. The show's fandom isn't even a tiny smidge of why I don't like the show, though I admit it gets annoying when obnoxious people who admit they've never even seen a magical girl show try to talk like it's better than the rest of the genre. Although they did threaten me because I dared to drop it at episode 7. Really most of my dislike for the show comes from the fact that it's the opposite of everything I like about magical girl shows. Magical girl shows are usually fun, adorable shows that are ideal for unwinding after a stressful day. They're all about young girls taking charge of their destinies, being empowered and punching anything that stands in the way of their happiness. Madoka... not so much. The show goes to great length to try to twist the genre into something horrific and depressing. It's like it's telling me again and again "Being a magical girl is awful and you'll suffer and die no matter what! Did you forget that? Here's a reminder! Need another? We've got one more! Still not convinced? Now you are!" Combine that with some of the most irritating and unlikable characters I have seen in an anime and I just... stared blankly at the screen most of the time, feeling a mix between frustration and fatigue. Well, I hope you don't go around the net trolling fans of the show just because they love it. |
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| Madoka has got a few, well known flaws and anyone who denies them, just didn't understand Madoka at all. Whatsoever, those points deserve to be addressed and well, they were already addressed so many times. But addressing should not be confused with hating. But hate is just deserved my things or people who are illogical, unreasonable, unjust or just annoying. None of this is the case with Madoka. So maybe the show can be disliked, but hate is totally undeserved. |
ChepriJun 15, 2014 3:55 AM
| All hail the Nutcracker Queen! |
| Maybe that's because you dislike the show because it isn't "traditional". In others words it isn't your cup of coffee. That is totally different from making up flaws. |
| I was replying to you but I was pointing out why they(magical girl fans and others) don't give you a hard time. I guess it wasn't really needed, but felt like posting that anyway... |
| I guess it was said somewhere (as Chepri said; btw. interesting girl in that ava, Chepri) but the first half of the show I can write in this sentence: "madokaaaa, become magical girl". It's just so boring. As RLinksoul dropped it at 7 episode because s/he didn't like "horrific and depressing" (etc) things. I started to like that part. ps. It might watched it because Nitroplus and his "dark" things ps2. Above statements may be not 100% because I have watched it long time ago. |
RLinksoul said: She just needed a wish that wouldn't result in a total grimdark ending. And it would have worked if Homura had kept her mouth shut. |
| I don't hate it, but I didn't like it very much either. From all the hype all over the Internet, I was expecting this to be an easy 10/10, but instead I got unlikeable characters (well, mostly the MC) and plot holes in the story. Overall though, the general story is okayish, and it's got a nice art style and awesome music - objectively, a well rounded anime, so 8/10 of me. |
MigiyakaJul 21, 2014 7:54 PM
| I love this show. I quite like it. With its flaws, its still a pretty awesome show. I just think the mass majority that's riding Homura's metaphorical dick is just a bunch of tools. "Selfless"? No? Homura is an emotionally abusive stalker with time traveling powers. If you all can hate Sayaka and completely misconstrue her character while calling Homura OF ALL FUCKING CHARACTERS "selfless", you're incapable of being reasoned with. So, before I can continue, how it feel? I mean. Being the "way you are"? Oh, you know what I mean. Silly! Don't worry. I'm not like this with everyone. Just HomuHomus. Who are probably the same people that swoon over Lelouch Lamperouge, mass murderer extraordinaire but is personally offended by complete monsters like Johan Liebert. ssjokg said: RLinksoul said: She just needed a wish that wouldn't result in a total grimdark ending. And it would have worked if Homura had kept her mouth shut. Word. |
Lauriet said: Well, Sayaka > Homura hands down but I found this interesting. Lelouch is an anti-hero, Johan is a villain, I don't see a problem in liking Lelouch over Johan.Don't worry. I'm not like this with everyone. Just HomuHomus. Who are probably the same people that swoon over Lelouch Lamperouge, mass murderer extraordinaire but is personally offended by complete monsters like Johan Liebert. |
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RLinksoul said: Homura? She's an insecure, near-suicidal mess for no established reason. We know nothing about her past, present or future. She met Madoka and a month later made the wish that caused her entire life to be dedicated to this girl who said Homura had a cool name. Homura has no character. Take away Madoka and you have no Homura. 1)She was only near suicidal,because she was under influnce of a witch 2)We know the reason why she is so insecure,it's because she was in hospital for over a year,which had many negative side effect on her live 3)Madoka also saved her live,and they had 4 weeks to deepen their friendship 4)It wasn't Homura's plan to dedicated her entire live to that cause,but it's not like she had a choice in the matte after she made her wish She just wanted to save her best friend,the other girls would have done something similar. Homura was unaware of the consequences. RLinksoul said: But what really bugs me is whenever someone talks about how unlikable, cold and demeaning Homura is, and the response is always "Durr have you seen episode 10? There's a reason she acts that way!" Those last four words. "She. Acts. That. Way." They admit it, but apparently, because a character has a glorified sob-story of a past, that gives them a free pass to act like a total prick. She can call Madoka a complete idiot, she can try to kill Sayaka, she can insult people right after they've witnessed the death of a friend, and you're not allowed to find fault with this because she's oh so tragic! You forgot the most important part.If she fails,every single human on the planet will die. That seems like a pretty good justification for her actions. |
| 2)Homura was looping for 10-12 years.Her one sided affection for Madoka is as strong as Sayaka's for Kamijou. 3)I am sure that the show showed Madoka being more friendly/opened up/clingy to Homura than Mami. 4)How does the line in quotes work exactly?Her "plan" was to save Madoka's life, too bad that after she was going from revelation to revelation about the miserable life of MGs. RLinksoul said: Riiiiiiiight. Good to know that if the fate of the world ever rests in my hands, I'll be allowed to kill anyone I don't like, insult people, stalk and demean them and everyone just has to be okay with that. On that note, I have to question the logic of trying to kill Sayaka so she'll stop making Madoka miserable. Killing Sayaka would only make Madoka MORE miserable, so to me it seems like Homura just wanted to get rid of Sayaka so that Madoka wouldn't try to sacrifice herself for her. Are we really questioning her actions in the last timeline after she saw plenty of times her other "friends" killing each other, turning into a witch and suspecting her of being an enemy when she attempted to explain the situation? If she killed Sayaka she could at least hide the fact that magical girls turn into witches.It's not Sayaka's death that tortured Kyoko and Madoka, but the revelation that their wishes in the end lead to that happening. Also about the issue regarding Sayaka vs Homura hate. Sayaka is hated because some viewers are dumb enough and can only see her losing Kamijou as the reason she despaired and forget the walking corpse thing,not because of the wish itself. |
ssjokgJul 22, 2014 10:54 PM
| Every show always have people who like it and who dislike it, just respect other opinion for me |
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RLinksoul said: 1 ) I'll give you that one. I had read somewhere that people who get affected by witch kisses are usually close to wanting to commit suicide either way, but perhaps it's just because she's already so emotionally vulnerable. Hitomi almost killed herself and she wasn't nearly as insecure. I suppose people with suicidal tendencies are very easy targets,but not the only ones. RLinksoul said: 4 ) She did however make the absurdly specific wish so that she could try to be Madoka's hero, like she wanted to do something to not feel unworthy of Madoka's friendship. "You have to keep being my friend because I did this thing for you." and it backfired. She probably hasn't thought too much about it before making the wish. For me it looks more like she just wanted to repay the favor. RLinksoul said: Riiiiiiiight. Good to know that if the fate of the world ever rests in my hands, I'll be allowed to kill anyone I don't like, insult people, stalk and demean them and everyone just has to be okay with that. Looks like a fairy trade for the lives for several billion people. RLinksoul said: On that note, I have to question the logic of trying to kill Sayaka so she'll stop making Madoka miserable. Killing Sayaka would only make Madoka MORE miserable, so to me it seems like Homura just wanted to get rid of Sayaka so that Madoka wouldn't try to sacrifice herself for her. Well,she tryed to help Sayaka at first,but she rejectedHomura's offer. I don't Homura wanted to kill her,but she was out of options,an act of desperation Also, death kind of lost its meaning for Homura at this point,because it's not permanent. If it doesn't work,she can always turn back time.Chance are it wouldn't ,but Homura has nothing to lose. |
ssjokg said: I just want to say, her back story doesn't "excuse" her actions, but rather makes you understand them. It's not that she's "allowed" to be horrible. Villains are almost always given back stories that explain their actions, but that doesn't mean that they are "allowed" to be evil.RLinksoul said: Riiiiiiiight. Good to know that if the fate of the world ever rests in my hands, I'll be allowed to kill anyone I don't like, insult people, stalk and demean them and everyone just has to be okay with that. On that note, I have to question the logic of trying to kill Sayaka so she'll stop making Madoka miserable. Killing Sayaka would only make Madoka MORE miserable, so to me it seems like Homura just wanted to get rid of Sayaka so that Madoka wouldn't try to sacrifice herself for her. Are we really questioning her actions in the last timeline after she saw plenty of times her other "friends" killing each other, turning into a witch and suspecting her of being an enemy when she attempted to explain the situation? Not sure if I'm wording this correctly <_< |
BotatoJul 22, 2014 9:22 AM
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Botato said: ssjokg said: I just want to say, her back story doesn't "excuse" her actions, but rather makes you understand them. It's not that she's "allowed" to be horrible. Villains are almost always given back stories that explain their actions, but that doesn't mean that they are "allowed" to be evil.Are we really questioning her actions in the last timeline after she saw plenty of time her other "friends" killing each other, turning into a witch and suspecting her of being an enemy? Not sure if I'm wording this correctly <_< She is detached from all except Madoka and Kyoko because the former always trusted her and the latter because it was easy to reason with, since she wasnt viewing MG duties as godsend. So yeah for me her backstory justifies her being cold to everyone and mainly Mami and Sayaka, whose attitude towards her was the same, whether she was attempting to warn them by being good old Megane Homura or the cold and stoic one we know. |
ssjokgJul 22, 2014 10:12 AM
| I think you meant Kyoko in your first line. As I expected the point probably didn't get across, but I can't think of a way to say it properly without making it sound contradictory <_< |
BotatoJul 22, 2014 10:12 AM
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Botato said: I think you meant Kyoko in your first line. As I expected the point probably didn't get across, but I can't think of a way to say it properly without making it contradictory <_< Yeah I meant her...-_- I think I got your point, but I just cant see her as a horrible person for treating them like that. |
| I only used horrible/evil because that's how I felt she is being described in the discussion currently. Anyway, I understand the WHY behind her actions, but I think the actions themselves are still "horrible." Think of it like someone not agreeing with Kira's/Lelouch's "the end justifies the means" methods. I probably made it worse now. |
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Botato said: Well that escalated quickly XD.Think of it like someone not agreeing with Kira's/Lelouch's "the end justifies the means" methods. I probably made it worse now. Accelerator would be a better example. |
ssjokg said: I'll keep that in mind for when I start reading/watching Index.Botato said: Well that escalated quickly XD.Think of it like someone not agreeing with Kira's/Lelouch's "the end justifies the means" methods. I probably made it worse now. Accelerator would be a better example. |
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| 1)The vast majority thinks otherwise.And while you could call it rushed, it in no way was inconsistent.Preferences aside, the characters are really relatable, if that is what you mean. 2)Thats totally random slander for anime fans stereotypes.You dont need Hidamari drawings to attract "perverse otakus".NGE "did it" fine with normal animation.That the char designs are "moe" has nothing to do with the story and that alone doesnt guarantee success just like MOST moe shows out there.No comment about the yuri.It isnt the first or last show to have yuri,which sales wise doesnt really sell, so saying that the did in on purpose in order TO SELL is stupid. 3)Talking about tastes.Urobuchi will either be criticized for overly tragic stories or for writing bittersweet endings.Anime fans are TOO bipolar. Nice, so you dont like the main story and the sequel will definitely be fanfiction for no real reason. I have MANY issues with NGE and EoE(and 3.0) but I would never call them fanfiction just because they dont suit my tastes. |
| The problem I had with this show was mostly that I didn't like any of the characters specifically Madoka. I'll give it credit for the deconstruction aspect of it, but there wasn't much shock value because the only reason I watched this show was "omg magic gurls dye a lot". With the combination of the short run time and unlikable characters, I really didn't care what happened to them. |
Botato said: ssjokg said: I'll keep that in mind for when I start reading/watching Index.Well that escalated quickly XD. Accelerator would be a better example. Read Index(34+ volumes huehue) and Railgun and watch Railgun S 2-16eps. Now if you have time to waste just to see some Index scenes animated watch Index as well. |
ssjokg said: ... ._.Botato said: I'll keep that in mind for when I start reading/watching Index. Read Index(34+ volumes huehue) and Railgun and watch Railgun S 2-16eps. Now if you have time to waste just to see some Index scenes animated watch Index as well. Well shit. |
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RLinksoul said: Lauriet said: Homura is an emotionally abusive stalker with time traveling powers. If you all can hate Sayaka and completely misconstrue her character while calling Homura OF ALL FUCKING CHARACTERS "selfless", you're incapable of being reasoned with. It's always funny when people hate on Sayaka because her wish revolving around a boy, but then praise Homura for doing the exact same thing, but with a girl. Sayaka is an insecure but fairly well-adjusted character whose CHILDHOOD FRIEND was in an accident and can no longer work on his art, his passion. Homura? She's an insecure, near-suicidal mess for no established reason. We know nothing about her past, present or future. She met Madoka and a month later made the wish that caused her entire life to be dedicated to this girl who said Homura had a cool name. Homura has no character. Take away Madoka and you have no Homura. But what really bugs me is whenever someone talks about how unlikable, cold and demeaning Homura is, and the response is always "Durr have you seen episode 10? There's a reason she acts that way!" Those last four words. "She. Acts. That. Way." They admit it, but apparently, because a character has a glorified sob-story of a past, that gives them a free pass to act like a total prick. She can call Madoka a complete idiot, she can try to kill Sayaka, she can insult people right after they've witnessed the death of a friend, and you're not allowed to find fault with this because she's oh so tragic! The whole anime is a glorified sob-story. |
TianCheng said: RLinksoul said: It's always funny when people hate on Sayaka because her wish revolving around a boy, but then praise Homura for doing the exact same thing, but with a girl. Sayaka is an insecure but fairly well-adjusted character whose CHILDHOOD FRIEND was in an accident and can no longer work on his art, his passion. Homura? She's an insecure, near-suicidal mess for no established reason. We know nothing about her past, present or future. She met Madoka and a month later made the wish that caused her entire life to be dedicated to this girl who said Homura had a cool name. Homura has no character. Take away Madoka and you have no Homura. But what really bugs me is whenever someone talks about how unlikable, cold and demeaning Homura is, and the response is always "Durr have you seen episode 10? There's a reason she acts that way!" Those last four words. "She. Acts. That. Way." They admit it, but apparently, because a character has a glorified sob-story of a past, that gives them a free pass to act like a total prick. She can call Madoka a complete idiot, she can try to kill Sayaka, she can insult people right after they've witnessed the death of a friend, and you're not allowed to find fault with this because she's oh so tragic! The whole anime is a glorified sob-story. Gee what a well thought out post. |
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