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| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 315 | 52.68% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 127 | 21.24% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 56 | 9.36% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 39 | 6.52% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 61 | 10.20% |
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#81
09-27-09, 6:52 PM
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Aeterna said: Falatorx said: They just got done defeating the best assassins created by the genius of the field and then he is killed by some old man riding by on a horse? Anti-clamatic at best. If they were going to kill them off, i would have rather seen them fighting like 30 of those assassins and then die together killing scythe master in an epic scene. LOL I have to agree. But then again, a lot of things in this anime didn't make sense in terms of "power levels" (can't think of a better term for it, sorry ^^). For example, I wish they made better use of that team of Phantoms - for Phantoms trained to be as good as Ein and Zwei, they sure got taken out pretty easily. It felt like they were only introduced to make the final battle feel more like a final battle and nothing more. Jacut said: [...]and overall, most of the characters have been under-developped and under-used (Claudia, Cal and Ein for example). I have to agree with this, as well, and I think this was one of the bigger issues for me. In order for me to like an anime, I have to like the characters. If I don't, then I probably will not like it. I felt that Phantom's characters were terribly under-used and they could have delved much further into who they were, what they thought and felt, and their development. Consequently, I hardly felt anything for, well, any of the characters because I honestly didn't care >.> As for Elen's "death", I took it to be metaphorical. Because only one shot was fired and it was Reiji who fell, I take it to mean that it was he who died (why Elen was not also shot is beyond me, but anyway...) Reiji was the only one who truly understood her as Elen - not an assassin, and not as the fake personality she put on at school during the third arc. And don't they say that someone is live, just as long as there is someone to remember them? With Reiji gone, if Elen dies, no one would remember her as she truly is and thus, metaphorically, she is dead already. Moreover, Reiji was the one who always supported her and kept her going. Therefore, with Reiji gone, there was no one else for her and she really had nothing else to live for, so again, she is metaphorically dead. Unless she really is physically dead, and in that case....I don't know >.> Overall, the episode was done fairly well. I still feel that the six Phantom team wasn't used to its full potential and so it just felt contrived - it was pretty clear that Elen and Reiji were going to defeat them, and then move on to SM, so I spent that part of the episode just waiting it out. SM really was an interesting character, if only for his eccentricities, so again, he's another case of an under-developed character. When I watched him this episode, I asked myself, "Why don't we know more about this guy?" and then wondered what this show would have been like if it was from his perspective rather than Reiji's (then again...it would probably just be a lot of weird "puppet" molestation scenes LOL) For the series as a whole, I'm pretty much in agreement with Jacut. Phantom could have been a lot more, but it wasn't and felt rather underwhelming. The direction was inconsistent, the characters were underused and under-developed, and who could forget the weird "songasm"? It gets points for an interesting premise, some interesting developments in the first arc (that never really got finished or explored further), some solid animation, and a decent character or two (even if they weren't used to their full potentials, such as Claudia or Cal). So, overall, Phantom could have been a lot better if handled a different way. 6/10. Just quoting your entire thing because you said everything I wanted to say about this series. I liked it, but it definitely had flaws. 6/10. |
#82
09-27-09, 7:08 PM
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Offline Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 299 |
orangehouse said: not a bad way to end the series ... Do Elen know that Reiji got killed ?! o_O This type of ending leaves the rest to you. I say yes. She knew they'll die [eventually] because of who they are. You can make inferences but that's about it.  |
#83
09-27-09, 7:10 PM
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Offline Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 4405 |
lol ending. I guess they fulfilled their dreams at the end. So Reiji didn't mind dying anyway. Pretty unsatisfying ending.... bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
#84
09-27-09, 7:14 PM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 10 |
ragnaroks said: knockngoc said: That was a sad ending. I didn't quite like the ending with all the characters dieing...I guess thats one way to make sure there is no season 2 with the same characters if everyone dies...But in general, the episode was good. Finally got some good action. But again, everyone dies. Thats just a sad and twisted way to end things. Reminds me of Elfen Lied, she goes through so much pain, and in the end she croaks. So you just want assassins to be alive for eternity stealing other people's life? The ending was fine. Use common sense, assassins take thousands of other people's life and they don't deserved to be punished? As much as I hate to see them die (I like both Reiji/Elen/Cal) but use your common knowledge. They are assassins. Ok, I won't deny the fact that the did kill other people but they were brain washed. Plus, it reminds me of one of the quotes said. It was along the lines of, if you didn't kill them, another assassin would kill them. Plus the scenario reminds me of Rurouni Kenshin. Not really but the idea is that he killed hundreds of people. And he regrets it. They regret it (kind of, but they were brain-washed). And I certainly loved Kenshin Himura, I would not want him dead! The one to be punished is Sythe Master, which he was, thank goodness he didn't get away again!   |
#85
09-27-09, 7:29 PM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 14 |
This is true to genre of this Anime... Regi caused a lot of people to suffer, Cal, Elen , etc... In the end there needed to be retribution .... I'm pleased that is not the standard happy ending... He also fulfilled his mission in life which was to make Elen to "truly" smile... Awesome anime, one of the best of its kind... |
#86
09-27-09, 7:50 PM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 156 |
Damn Mongolians... causing the anime community to think of possibilities of what could have happened... |
#87
09-27-09, 8:03 PM
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Offline Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 3439 |
So this is some Code Geass end mirite? Everybody's too damn busy thinking if Reiji or Elen is going to be busy driving some wagon in some backwater country having avoided their deaths at the end of the episode.  |
#88
09-27-09, 8:06 PM
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Offline Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 202 |
Wasabi said: So this is some Code Geass end mirite? Everybody's too damn busy thinking if Reiji or Elen is going to be busy driving some wagon in some backwater country having avoided their deaths at the end of the episode. Yes, it was Lelouch who shot Reiji. And i see a OVA series in the future about what happened in those six months where Reiji and Elen was on the run...      |
#89
09-27-09, 9:01 PM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 90 |
Alright ending though kinda mix feelings. With just some random guy passing by, then killing one of them (who ever he shot). A better ending with them dieing, having to fight off tons of phantoms would of been much more appealing to me. |
#90
09-27-09, 9:48 PM
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Offline Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 396 |
Well, I personally enjoyed this last episode with all the kick-ass action. But then the fighting and shooting was over...I'm glad the makers fulfilled my expectations, giving viewers an ambiguous, yet very suggesting ending. There are several ways of looking at the ending, but the two most prominent was these two... Ending thus far: - Reiji gets shot (fact)...chance of survival: about 50/50, because he once survived several bullet wounds to the chest and plunged into the ocean, or some kind of body of water, unless he was shot in the head or critical area like his heart or lung. However with the equipment they have on them, his only hope of surviving the bullet wound would be Elen saving him like he did for her... - Elen smiles, looks back, fades away (image only) and is seen eyes open laying on the grass, without signs of breathing (no chest movement noticeable), although many anime titles don't show this at all...(because they're lazy and have to draw more panels) My conclusion (not going to refer to the game as it'll deter my opinion) : - Scenario 1: Reiji survives because Elen notices after getting up and saving him. They live happily ever after. - Scenario 2: Reiji gets shot critically and dies (happily after seeing her smile). Elen notices, and saw this coming, and dies too, but with no regrets (the elergy-like metaphoric flower with missing petal, done intentionally). Second shot fired from mystery man impossible (fact: one silent shot fired, one bullet shell casing remains, Elen prefers to carry a revolver if she were to still carry a gun). Justification for suicide: her reason to survive and live longer after her time spent with Reiji has been fulfilled/ previous episodes state her purpose was meaningless without Reiji alive in her life. Elen goes as far as to state she would sooner die if he ever left this world (not exact words, but same context). Both don't want to live without the other, but both want the other to live even without them (fact), therefore, they decide to live for one another. The second scenario is most likely. If so, The makers of Requiem for the Phantom would have given the strongly implied classic Romeo & Juliet tragic ending (Hamlet if you count Cal, Claudia, and Lizzy, Scythe, except for Mio); a very beautiful tragedy fitting this genre where most, if not all the main characters and supporting characters have either already died or never to be mentioned again. (I feel sorry for Mio that she'll never see Reiji again, but oh well). I hope at the very least Reiji and Elen had fun like making love during the 6 month intermission...if so, he'd know if she was a virgin or not, also the possibility of her working in a brothel would rise....Scythe is unlikely, as he seems to be just a perverted freak with oil on nudity and mask fetish. So 10/10 as I loved it from beginning to end...despite my romantic side craving for a happy ending. I doubt we'll see more as they intentionally left it ambiguous but strongly implied. |
#91
09-27-09, 10:33 PM
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You totally expect Reiji to get shot at the end. You just have to. I mean, really. Random carriage comes by in the middle of nowhere. Reiji standing there, facing the other way. He's gonna get shot, he's gonna get shot, he's gonna get shot... yep, he gets shot. What's up with the people who think Elen wouldn't kill herself after Reiji dies? You think she will continue living with absolutely nothing left for her? Pfft...  |
#92
09-27-09, 10:45 PM
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Offline Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 401 |
Poor Reiji, totally didn't see that coming Though I'm happy Elen survived, it's just not the same without Reiji. Anyway, this was a pretty good show with very few letdowns (hell every epd ended in some kind of cliffhanger). Solid 9/10 from me. |
#93
09-27-09, 10:59 PM
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I expected them to always die cause you just don't leave an underworld organisation without getting killed. But even though I was expecting it, I was hoping they would. Reiji's death is lame, getting shot in the back bye a random passerbye. Though guess that's the only way you could've killed him cause he was to strong in a 1 on 1. Now I can always delude myself in thinking they survived seeing Reiji even survived mutliple shots before like my hero 2Pac once did but I think the message in itself is clear enough that he did. Ein is the most ambiguous, I really don't know if she did or not but reading the comments it does seem the bigger possibility is that she did also. All in all a great show with some flaws like some pointed out, Cal beeing the biggest one seeing I always thougth their battle was meaningless in itself and I would've expected Reiji & Elen to escape and cover their tracks a bit better then beeing found out on the spot while moving to different places. I can understand them beeing found if they'd been staying in the same place but not if they were moving to different... Modified by mugiwara84, 09-27-09, 11:21 PM  |
#94
09-27-09, 11:42 PM
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Well to me it seemed quite obvious Reijji was shot and the reason Elen smiled was because she knew they didnt have to run anymore and the fact that her last thoughts were that her life was complete finally. The part where she was laying on the floor is obvioulsy her dead if she was alive she wouldnt have her mouth open and her eyes would have a bit of a shine to them and the fact she was way too still.... And anyway she disapeared so that kind of shows she died too. But i can see confusion if she died or not due to the fact we only saw 1 bulletshell and we dont know if the flower could kill her.  |
#95
09-27-09, 11:55 PM
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WTF...WTF....and...WTF!??? Dude..at the LAST second..-__-..this..totally..argh..well...all in all i loved this anime..but i HATE these kind of endings >_< |
#96
09-28-09, 12:03 AM
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The final episode was pretty good until the "drive-by" shooting at the end. Well, if they were going to kill Reiji, it was for the best that Elen be taken out too. Taking away the only thing that mattered to her and leaving her alone would be cruel. Can't help but feel disappointment since the show started out so strong.  |
#97
09-28-09, 12:34 AM
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Well I guess they couldn't mess this up any more than this. This show started as an average show but it got better after a few episodes. The writer probably had come up with a nice idea to begin with but that's as far as he's got with the idea. This show ran out of any good and original idea way too early. So many plot holes and cliched ideas made this a very predictable and boring show as it went on. I give it a 6/10 and that only thanks to some good episodes closer to the beginning of the show.      |
#98
09-28-09, 12:36 AM
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Kazuzu said: Well to me it seemed quite obvious Reijji was shot and the reason Elen smiled was because she knew they didnt have to run anymore and the fact that her last thoughts were that her life was complete finally. The part where she was laying on the floor is obvioulsy her dead if she was alive she wouldnt have her mouth open and her eyes would have a bit of a shine to them and the fact she was way too still.... And anyway she disapeared so that kind of shows she died too. But i can see confusion if she died or not due to the fact we only saw 1 bulletshell and... Er, no, that's not what her last thought was. She says "These memories are enough for me to continue living." and I don't think she meant for another minute or so. Her eyes look like they always look when she is not in "killer mode". If she was dead, the light reflection in her pupil would have been completely gone, and her eyes would have had a faded look. She looks like she is just watching the clouds go by. You're body doesn't need to be moving to do that, since you typically just lay on your back and look up. And rarely do you see an animated character inhaling and exhaling. I just don't think she knows Reiji has been shot. She's way to absorbed in her surroundings, and we don't know how close they were to each other. we dont know if the flower could kill her. Yes we do. They are geraniums that are found in the mountains of Mongolia: No part of their anatomy is poisonous.  |
#99
09-28-09, 12:42 AM
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Piece of Shit is what that ending was still 10/10 for keeping me entertained the whole way through the anime... Cant believe this shit... Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the General Forum Guidelines! |
#100
09-28-09, 12:47 AM
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That's what happens! That bastard shouldn't have killed my Cal. Reji and Elen both deserves to die! Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1 http://www.veoh.com/videos/v83597095dreGdW#comments  |