Phantom ~Requiem for the Phantom~ Episode 26 Discussion

LadyOrihime said:

Cal fans should be happy now! XD As well as people who wanted a AOE.

LadyOrihime said:
RAW is out...in case anyone hasn't checked yet.

As much as I would like to believe in the whole "we didn't see a dead body" claims over at Animesuki, I know better. It's true that Reiji did surive the multiple gun-shot wounds in episode 10...but everyone and their mother knew that wasn't the end of him, because we had 16 episodes left. The finale is just so...final! LOL!

But I don't think anyone can say for sure if Elen was also killed.
For one thing, the "drive-by" shooter shot off one bullet and kept on rolling by. Afer Reiji goes down, Elen actually turns around, is "looking into the camera", and gives a little smile and a little giggle before she fades away...it was kinda creepy! XD We then see her laying in the grass, looking up at the sky and smiling. Followed by a close-up of flower she was looking at earlier, now with a missing petal, and then a single shell casing, which could have very well been a part of the bullet that got Reiji.

So to summarize: one shot, one person goes down, one shell casing *shrug*

Cal fans should be happy now! XD As well as people who wanted a AOE.

Nayrael said:

Happy about Cal's death being even more meaningless?

DrHouse said:


Sorry but Elen is dead.

You forgot to mention that when Reiji fell over dead is also when Elen finally got up from doing whatever she was doing with the flower. She was starring at it for way to long to simply be admiring it. The only reason Elen wouldn't be upset at seeing Reiji dead is if she knew she were dying too. I really, really doubt that they would point out the missing petal if it weren't significant. Even more significant was that the missing petal was shown right after the close-up of her lifeless face and right before showing the shell of the bullet which killed Reiji. I don't know a whole lot about botany but that flower also looks suspicously like it could be in the nightshade family. I do know that they generally have five petals and are purple.

I think that even if it's not even referenced in the subs it's fairly obvious that Elen did indeed commit suicide by flower.

I actually really like this ending even though it's depressing because it fits the mood of the show.

LadyOrihime said:
People, please stop confusing me saying she DIDN'T DIE. I said she didn't die on screen. Big difference.

LadyOrihime said:


There are some Cal fans that are happy he was killed because he killed Cal.

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People, please stop confusing me saying she DIDN'T DIE. I said she didn't die on screen. Big difference.



A petal of a nightshade doesn't kill. The most toxic part of it is the root. Nightshade can even be used for medicinal purposes (such as a seditive). Nightshade is found in a few foods (tomatoes, potato', sweet and hot peppers, etc.), And the flowers she was looking at don't look anything like nightshade. They look more like a Corn-Cockles, or even pansies.
And nightshade wouldn't have killed her that fast...No single petal of a flower would have killed her that fast.

So, sorry, your theory just doesn't fly with me. Along with the flower not being nightshade, Elen would have had to known Reiji was going to be killed at that moment. Her scene goes from looking at the flower, to looking up at the sky before we see Reiji go down. We see her get up, look into the camera, smile and giggle.

Her face didn't look lifeless to me. The "spark" in her eyes didn't go out, as Cal's did, or any other character's had. She was smiling and looking up at the sky. People do that when they tan outside, and people do lay in the grass and day dreaming, looking at the sky. They breath, of course, but I rarely see an anime, or ANY cartoon, where they actually show a character breathing, with their chest going up and down.

LadyOrihime said:
A petal of a nightshade doesn't kill. The most toxic part of it is the root. Nightshade can even be used for medicinal purposes (such as a seditive). Nightshade is found in a few foods (tomatoes, potato', sweet and hot peppers, etc.), And the flowers she was looking at don't look anything like nightshade. They look more like a Corn-Cockles, or even pansies.
And nightshade wouldn't have killed her that fast...No single petal of a flower would have killed her that fast.

LadyOrihime said:

So, sorry, your theory just doesn't fly with me. Along with the flower not being nightshade, Elen would have had to known Reiji was going to be killed at that moment. Her scene goes from looking at the flower, to looking up at the sky before we see Reiji go down. We see her get up, look into the camera, smile and giggle.

What's up with the "The End" picture after the credits? Who's hand is casting the shadow over Zwei's gun?

DrHouse said:
This is an anime where people can dogde bullets by running really fast every time and where two people who get shot in the chest and land in the water somehow both survive without drowning or bleeding out despite never recieving medical attention of any kind. There's also no such thing as an "amnesia drug" that could have been used on Zwei to make him forget his entire past life which would not have caused severe brain damage. My point was that it has a passing resembalence to a fairly well known deadly flowering plant so most people like me who know nothing to very little about botany or poison are going to be willing to believe that eating any part of that plant could kill you. I think that in the case where, in order to be realistic, Elen would have to pull ten flowers out of the ground, stuff them in her mouth, and then wait half an hour to die there is some justification for taking a little artistic license. Sorry, but factual arguments rarely apply to anime.

I think we are supposed to at least assume that it was Elen who plucked the petal since we saw it was whole when she went down to look at it and it's missing a petal after she had been offscreen for a few seconds. None of the other flowers are missing petals. Elen has never been impulsively destructive so obviously there must have been some reason she wanted to do that. Maybe when the subs come out they will reveal something Elen thought would be symbolic about a four-petaled flower. I doubt it, though.

I'm not sure Elen commited suicide because Reiji died. I think her reason will be revealed once the subs come out. Although she probably could hear the silenced gunshot since she's a phantom and that was before she said her last little bit while staring at the flower. Maybe she was just tired of running or maybe she wanted to get rid of the Reiji's last connections to his past as an assassin so he could go back to Mio. Obviously something must be up because Elen's reaction to seeing Reiji get killed was weird even for her and they were standing in that field for hours because the sun was setting when Reiji died.

Mei19 said:
So Reiji is standing there still swearing the same thing that there is only one promise left that he had to protect out of allll the promises that he broke. Then swearing that he will one day take back Elen's REAL smile. After that short monologue of Reiji's before he got shot, Elen's last thoughts were:

"That alone is enough for me to live on. Just that."

What's up with the "The End" picture after the credits? Who's hand is casting the shadow over Zwei's gun?

What's up with the "The End" picture after the credits? Who's hand is casting the shadow over Zwei's gun?

LadyOrihime said:
Someone over at animesuki said this in regarding to what Reiji and Elen are thinking:

tsubasalover said:
http://www.phantom-r.jp/season3.html

patlagik said:
Reiji is killed and then she turns back and smiles at his dead body or what?

tsubasalover said:

Weird names for the new phantoms... I cannot get what he said.

knockngoc said:
That was a sad ending. I didn't quite like the ending with all the characters dieing...I guess thats one way to make sure there is no season 2 with the same characters if everyone dies...But in general, the episode was good. Finally got some good action. But again, everyone dies. Thats just a sad and twisted way to end things. Reminds me of Elfen Lied, she goes through so much pain, and in the end she croaks.

KingDeadKira said:
Unexpected ending. i never thought for second that Reiji was going to die... i guess this is a way to atone for your sins Reiji. i was going to give this a 7 but since it had 25 and half great episodes, i will give it a 8/10. still i am surprised by the ending... but everything was going to well in the ending... but still, damn damn DAMN!!!

Airitoizzy said:
Soo Elen is Alive O_o

ragnaroks said:


So you just want assassins to be alive for eternity stealing other people's life? The ending was fine. Use common sense, assassins take thousands of other people's life and they don't deserved to be punished?

As much as I hate to see them die (I like both Reiji/Elen/Cal) but use your common knowledge. They are assassins.

Falatorx said:

Except they were brainwashed and for the most part had their memories erased. Not to mention they would have been killed if they didn't follow orders. The vast majority of people they killed also weren't exactly saints with probably only one obvious situation where there is an exception in the series. Obviously that doesn't get them totally off the hook, but they were put in a situation beyond their control due to tragic circumstances.

Falatorx said:
Anyway, i wish i hadn't watched the last 15 seconds to see them killed. I kind of feared it was going to happen though. It is so cliche and overdone to end shows like that, especially when they have anything to do with assassins. Viewer thinks the main characters won the day against all odds and a really hateable enemy and now they will live together happily ever after, but then, nope they are dead! Not to mention you would think he would have been able to sense and dodge it. They just got done defeating the best assassins created by the genius of the field and then he is killed by some old man riding by on a horse? Anti-clamatic at best. If they were going to kill them off, i would have rather seen them fighting like 30 of those assassins and then die together killing scythe master in an epic scene.