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09-22-09, 2:59 PM

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I haven't read or watched all manga and anime out there so I'll probably be missing a lot of worthy heroines out there. If there is someone missing please post the girl's full name and the manga or anime she is from.
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I've noticed the word "noble" is kind of ambiguous so I'm going to try and give a few examples of what to look for when looking for whether the character you want to add is noble:
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-Wisdom. A noble person tends to know things others do not (i.e. what is right, suffering of others) and acts on that wisdom-

-Doing the morally right but difficult choice, if the choice isn't difficult but morally right, it's doesn't count. Nobleness is about treading the path least taken-

-Being a leader or taking the initiative. Someone who is noble does not wait on the sidelines hoping the wrong they notice is going to fix itself-

-Constantly striving to be a better person, this includes characters that start out really mean or spoiled, but grow into independent and giving people-

-The character cannot be the designated fan service character. Being the fan service butt monkey is cheapening. It cheapens the character as it turns them into a pair of boobs. Mild fan service is fine, but if the character's clothes are being constantly ripped off when she fights, it undermines her importance as a person-

-Noble characters do things for others of course, but they are at their core about improving themselves (hence characters like Kyoko from Skip Beat, who strives to be good actress that people enjoy is on the club list)-

-They are elegant. (This one matters less, but it's still a part of being noble :] )
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Please note that not all of these points listed need to be fulfilled to get added onto the club. Usually the character should show at least 2 of these traits. I hope that helps with deciding whether certain heroines fit the club criteria. :)


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Just a few quick reminders:
1. The above examples are not exhaustive and are just there to give people a general idea. Also if your character doesn't fit any of the above traits but you still feel she is noble, please suggest her anyway. Debate is always good. :)

2.physical strength does not equal strong willed.

3. Please tell us why she is a noble and strong willed heroine. This really helps speed up the approval process.

4. I won't automatically add your character, I'll have to decide whether she fits the criteria (with the help of other members). If she is rejected and you feel my rejection was not reasonable, please feel free to state why you think she is noble and strong willed, I will reply by either admitting your point, or pointing out why I think she doesn't fit the classification.

5. I really value other people's ideas and I really appreciate any comments about a female/lady/woman/girl someone else has suggested or one that is pending. The more people debate, the more objective (as in less to do with a single person's vision of nobility and strength and more a common vision) our list becomes.

Additions Pending:

Matia - Legend of Nereid
Heizerberg, Stella - Record of [the] Fallen Vampire
Miyuki - Tokyo Godfathers
Nagisa Furukawa - Clannad
Chacha - Basara
Belldandy - Ah! My Goddess


Additions Rejected:

Louise - Zero no Tsukaima
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09-22-09, 3:16 PM

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I intended to help...but I don't know any of these ^^', instead I am adding to the suggestions.
What about Tsukasa Kozuki? from Tokyo Crazy Paradise (by the same author of Skip Beat)
She is really strong-willed, when she wants to do something she does it on her own, she even goes to the extents of acting like a man for the sake of protecting herself and her family, learning to fight (she is better than most of the fighters in this story) and not caring about what people say. She has a fierce personality, but she is very caring about those she loves, and she is even caring with her enemies...always thinking about what is right and what is wrong, even when she works for a yakuza family, she still knows that you can't judge people only by titles or what they seem to be like..
 
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09-23-09, 5:51 PM

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@Queen: she seems to fit the description very well. I'll add her to the relations, as well as the manga. :) I usually try not to put characters on the pending list because then they just sit there, but there are times when I'm not 100% sure if a certain character really fits, and I end up putting them on the list. ^^;;;
 
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09-28-09, 8:44 PM

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Thanks, I have some other suggestions that I have stumbled upon today.
Have you watched Inuyasha? I think Kagome and Sango could be added in the list.

Kagome she is really brave and stronger than it looks like (how can she not be brave?, after being thrown into a strange, monster-filled land, she manages to keep calm), not only that, when it comes to difficult situations she doesn't lose it and she tries to help even if she knows it would be dangerous.

Sango shares the same sense of justice as Kagome but she is more strong-willed than noble. She is a demon hunter, so she really knows how to take care of herself and her friends.
 
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09-29-09, 6:14 PM

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yes I have. I actually have watched the whole thing and I own 5 volumes of it.

Kagome:


Sango:


manga/anime: Is Sango's role big enough to warrant these to be added to the list?

ps - I am willing to listen about Kagome. So do argue back. I just a few doubts about her nobility and strength of will. k? :)
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09-29-09, 6:50 PM

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:D I like your answers..I am not that fond of Kagome and I don't remember that much about the show either. Besides I think you are right, I had doubts about suggesting her because I also felt the whole damsel on distress issue, but I thought I would wait for your opinion on that, since she seems to go back and forth, I just had forgotten the air head moments.!

Sango ^^. I almost forgot the whole brother issue and her strenght to make decission about that.



Now, what about Yako? This character can strike you as a dumb one at the beginning, but I think that happens because you keep comparing her to the partner, genius Neuro. As the story progresses we become aware that Neuro actually needs her, and that she has an unique ability to defeat criminals, through the understanding of human feelings. She is physically strong, I don't think just anyone could stand Neuro's masochist behavior (with the beatings and all). She has a great sense of justice but she still treats the most dangerous minds as persons,just with different issues. And she is really brave, she is not damsel in distress! XD..sometimes she is too reckless, though. Yako fights criminals (she is forced to do that at the beginning but then she enjoys it) in the company of a deamon that could scare you to death, without fearing him at all.
 
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09-30-09, 6:18 PM

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Kagome:
since you agree, I guess I'll move her to the rejected section. Rejections are not final and anyone can bring up a character that has been rejected. :)

Yako:
Seems like she is in the transformative stage as well (appears dumb, but has moments of ingenuity that increase as the series progresses from your post). I'm not too sure because I'm not familiar with this manga/anime, so I'm going to do a bit more research (wikipedia, fan sites, ect.) before I decide either way. I will get back to you tomorrow for sure because I will have a bit more free time then. :)
 
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10-01-09, 4:41 PM

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Yako:
-ok there aren't really many sites that go into detail, so I'm going to ask you a few questions that bother me before I add her, k?

1.Why does she take his beatings?
2.Is she emotionally strong?
3.Just how dumb is she and how much smarter does she become?

thanks in advance. :)
 
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10-01-09, 4:57 PM

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1. That part is more like a comic relief, and she seems not to care, after all he is a demon and evil to the boot, so at the beginning is more like she doesn't have an option, she accepts everything that he does and in exchange he helps her find her father's killer.


2. Yes, a lot, she has to go through a lot, especially in the last chapters..and she gets even stronger. She is the kind of person that can take it all. I mean, how strong are you if after your father is murdered you go on, living with all your strength for happines? and she resolves to find the murderer after that. When bad things happen she usually analizes them and if she feels bad, she usually tries to help others first.

3. Uhm, that is a difficult one, she is dumb in a weird way, she eats a lot (bottomless pit) without a care for her surroundings and she is bad at her studies; but it is said that she needed to get high scores to get in her school and she did it, one of the best, only because the food there was good!. That is pretty much all, but she is a pretty keen person. As I said, she looks stupid because Neuro is a genius and she is often surrounded by masterminds, but no one is better than her at understanding people and sympathizing with them.
 
10-02-09, 3:00 PM

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hmmm, I'm still not too sure (I personally don't think someone taking beatings without saying anything is noble, but since she needs him to find her father's killer, well I guess that makes it a little different.) Also, this linking of women and emotions and men with logic annoys me to no end, but since this is a personal annoyance of mine, it's irrelevant. So I'll add her because there isn't much I can say other then a bit of uncertainty. ^^
 
10-02-09, 3:14 PM

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Oh well...Since he threatened her after with his evil powers I think she got a pretty good deal out of it.
I did not see it that way (logic/emotions), but I guess you can get the whole feeling of it only reading the manga. It is not focused on the emotional part in that sense, it is more that "he" is a demon so he doesn't understand human nature and he has supernatural weapons to get evidence and information in a level beyond humans, but with all his physical and mental power he still doesn't get the ways of humans, why they behave this or that way, and Yako surpasses him on that way, seeing things that he always miss...so this time is more like a human vs. demon thing, it just so happens that Neuro looks like a man and Yako is a woman. Oh well, if you get the chance try to read it, it is a clever and sarcastic comedy, and it has great moments regarding that part, human nature.
 
10-02-09, 3:24 PM

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Oh well...Since he threatened her after with his evil powers I think she got a pretty good deal out of it.
I did not see it that way (logic/emotions), but I guess you can get the whole feeling of it only reading the manga. It is not focused on the emotional part in that sense, it is more that "he" is a demon so he doesn't understand human nature and he has supernatural weapons to get evidence and information in a level beyond humans, but with all his physical and mental power he still doesn't get the ways of humans, why they behave this or that way, and Yako surpasses him on that way, seeing things that he always miss...so this time is more like a human vs. demon thing, it just so happens that Neuro looks like a man and Yako is a woman. Oh well, if you get the chance try to read it, it is a clever and sarcastic comedy, and it has great moments regarding that part, human nature.


oh i see. I guess I'm just overly sensitive to this issue, since females tend to be portrayed as emotional or emotional wreaks, while males more as reason oriented and suppressing their emotions even when they are an emotional wreak. The manga itself sounds really good, and I will eventually find some time to read it. I usually love shounen manga (even ones with awful females like Naruto. XD But I don't like the females, just the action). But I try for the purpose of this club to weed out the awful and average females from the inspirational and superior ones. :)

btw, I've only added the manga because a lot of fan sites said the anime only covers a bit of the manga and Yako seems to be a stronger character later on.
 
11-02-09, 3:16 PM

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I propose Lina Inverse from Slayers. Strong-willed, intelligent, powerful and brave. If people knows the series I think she adjust to the profile or a noble heroin (or anti-heroin but noble non the less XD).
 
11-03-09, 3:48 PM

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I haven't watched slayers, but what I do know of it is that Lina Inverse is suppose to be a goof and greedy and in this lies the comic nature of the show. Not very noble if you ask me. But if she changes and becomes noble we can still add her. Also there are multiple slayers anime, is there a particular one you are referring to?
 
11-05-09, 7:29 AM

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Sure she is greedy and have a lot of defects XD but in the end she's up to save the day and she's loyal to her friends. Almost in every season you can see that but in the 10 first chapters of the first season the good traces of her personality are there too. When she fights Shabranigdoo she's putting her life in the stake, and in the end of next she's willing to sacrifice her being in order to save the world (maybe more to save her significant other but I think is all a pack XD).
 
11-05-09, 12:20 PM

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alright, I'll add her and the anime. I just wanted to make sure. ;)

actually, should I add all the editions? right now I'll just add slayers until I get an answer.
 
11-05-09, 5:34 PM

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Mmmmmmm in the OVAs - Slayers Special and Excellent- she's not noble at all XD, she is youger too XD, neither the movies mmmmmmm except maybe the first. I'd say the five season series Slayers TV, NEXT, TRY, Revolution and Evolution-R.
 
11-06-09, 5:55 PM

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alright I've added all five seasons. :)
 
11-09-09, 1:09 PM

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I know I'm a bit late in reacting but I have some objections to Lina.

I watched the first two seasons ( I couldn't finish the 3rd one).

While I agree that she is powerful and likes to take care of herself than being protected, I think her personality is more like a goof. I always felt that she did not do anything without keeping in mind the gain. Also she tended to be a show off (mostly after the first season), destroying half cities cause she ised her biggest magic without kinda thinking...

Well it's just my opinion and I also admit that it was one of my first animes I ever watched and never tried it again so it was a long time since I saw this.
 
11-10-09, 3:13 PM

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@Fin: since I already added her, I'll add Lina to the boot thread. Two more votes against Lina and she will be removed. I'm not really sure about her, so I will refrain from voting either way (unless I happen to watch the anime at some point).
 
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