Knights of Sidonia
| In almost every case, the popularity of anime for the season is already decided BEFORE THE SEASON EVEN STARTS. Whichever anime was the most hyped, best marketed, has popular studios/directors, and panders to the weebs most will win. There are very few exceptions to this rule. Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei is a great example. Extremely hyped show. So many people were talking about it before the season started, its hype alone was the reason it's number 1 in views. It is a very mediocre and unremarkable show that would not be in the least bit popular if it did not have the 1-up. If you think anime are popular because of how good they are, you are a fucking moron. |
ex_necrossMay 29, 2014 9:05 PM
SleepingEntity said: Not to turn this into a thread about Captain Earth, but basically I can't help but feel that it's something like Anohana/Anonatsu at heart. The problem is its trying to hard to be a mecha like Gundam when it should stay slice of life, and the results aren't pretty. You're referring to Captain Earth right? Because, I agree. It should have less mecha and more of the slice of life and relationship developments just like the Ano shows. jhoanais said: Sidonia > Captain Earth Yeah. I think they both do well at what they're aiming for though. Sidonia is obviously the more serious and dark one. Captain Earth's faults are that there's too much to be covered at this point. |
archrook said: The art of Ping Pong isn't crappy. its different and fantastic. If you hate it so much I'd say you will miss all the great anime of Yuasa - Tatami, Kaiba, Kemonozume and Mindgame. I don't see how the anime would suffer from a better art, it's not like I request bishounens and kawai girls. Ping Pong art is just too retarded, even I can draw that crappy, looks more like lazyness or saving money. He should write books or LN. |
| Are you talking about ep6? It didn't seem that unpleasant and slow to me, so I don't understand, sorry. I don't see how plot/characters would would suffer from good art. I remember how many peolpe didn't like art style in Shiki, but it was 100 times better than this halfassed drawing in ping pong;/ I can't really see it as "style", reminds me of old disney cartoons;/ |
potplant said: sadfacelv said: archrook said: The art of Ping Pong isn't crappy. its different and fantastic. If you hate it so much I'd say you will miss all the great anime of Yuasa - Tatami, Kaiba, Kemonozume and Mindgame. I don't see how the anime would suffer from a better art, it's not like I request bishounens and kawai girls. Ping Pong art is just too retarded, even I can draw that crappy, looks more like lazyness or saving money. He should write books or LN. Your taste in art is rather narrowed to familiarity then. Ping Pong's art, for a show about characterisations, is way more expressive than most. Sidonia suffers on that front because of its art, and characters are just flat. This difference translates directly to the amount of information a viewer gets from any scene. Whereas Sidonia needs an entire episode to convey a simple event of stranded people, the same information in Ping Pong would've been conveyed just as effectively via a 10 sec montage. It's simply comes down to great vs merely above average direction. You fall under the category of people who like something just because it's different, even when it's quality is nowhere near praiseworthy. Ping Pong is one of these cases. Just because something is different doesn't give it a free pass. Sidonia is also definitely not normal, but its production values, music, story, atmosphere, emotional impact, etc etc are superb. |
| +1 Ilyenacid Nicely said! :D I also love them both. |
galimx said: lol you are funny, you sure can draw like that, yeah. dont be stupid and learn something about animation first, then talk its crap. Aren't animation and art different things? I don't give a crap about animation usually, all I heard that animation in Ping Pong not okay too, like they are all bending in strange angles like they don't have bones or gravity is not working, but i am talking about drawings. Characters are drawn poorly without putting much effort. Al lI know about anime/manga creation process is mostly from Bakuman, they put a lot of effort into drawings and halfassed art like main character's uncle's ancient manga wasn't really considered good. |
sadfacelvJun 1, 2014 2:27 AM
| No. It's where it should be ranked because it's very lack luster. It doesn't so justice to the source material and way too much CG. I don't dislike CG but common, if it's not working then don't run with it. There are way better series this season for all the right reasons. Sidonia suffers from dumbass director syndrome; thinking you can shove 11 volumes of story into 12 episodes. Especially when the story starts off very elementary then strides into more complex scenarios. They're trying way too hard to push the universe on us instead of relying on the subtle storytelling style that Nihei Tsutomu is famous for. |
countfuckula said: I don't get why this isn't that popular either. It'll probably gain more attention when it's finally on Netflix. But seriously, this and Hitsugi no Chaika are the dark horses of the season and really deserve more attention. Hitsugi no Chaika has a lot of problems, pacing and not enough explanations and character depth, so I think it has enough attention for what it is. Despite that though it manages to be very enjoyable. |
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LordLagann said: No. It's where it should be ranked because it's very lack luster. It doesn't so justice to the source material and way too much CG. I don't dislike CG but common, if it's not working then don't run with it. There are way better series this season for all the right reasons. Sidonia suffers from dumbass director syndrome; thinking you can shove 11 volumes of story into 12 episodes. Especially when the story starts off very elementary then strides into more complex scenarios. They're trying way too hard to push the universe on us instead of relying on the subtle storytelling style that Nihei Tsutomu is famous for. Wow, this the most ignorant, blind text I've read all day. It's as if you haven't watched a single episode of the anime. On the contrary to what you claim, the show is very true to the source material and in a lot of cases the CGI is working rather well for me as there are some truly good sights that wouldn't have looked as spectacular in 2D. The director isn't trying to stuff whole 13 (that's how many volumes are actually out) volumes into 12 episodes, they have used less than first 3 volumes worth of material so far. The only thing the director is doing differently is moving some events around. It's not like Nihei created the most logical string of events either. Whether it works or not depends on the viewer. |
| Season 2 has been announced: http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-24373.html |
Fck yeah |
Interesting. I haven't seen anything on ANN or CR regarding this. |
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UnsightlyWalrus said: Wow, this the most ignorant, blind text I've read all day. It's as if you haven't watched a single episode of the anime. On the contrary to what you claim, the show is very true to the source material and in a lot of cases the CGI is working rather well for me as there are some truly good sights that wouldn't have looked as spectacular in 2D. The director isn't trying to stuff whole 13 (that's how many volumes are actually out) volumes into 12 episodes, they have used less than first 3 volumes worth of material so far. The only thing the director is doing differently is moving some events around. It's not like Nihei created the most logical string of events either. Whether it works or not depends on the viewer. I'm watching the show and it only gets by on technicalities. I don't mind the use on CGI as on the mecha or the architecture and such but to go as far as making all the characters CG is just being slow in the brain. Saying it's true to the source material is a loose opinion as it is. The manga uses subtle facial expressions, detailed monster/mecha designs and choreography [which the Anime has captured to some aspect], and for the most part a very linear story progression. If it's not apparent by now how the director thinks he knows it all by taking brazen attempts to make the show more exciting or dramatic then it's probably not going to click with you in the near future. Unnecessarily moving story events around, plastering CGI everywhere [albeit very sound in theory but god what a half baked execution], and just flat out missing the point of Sidonia entirely. Sure, I exaggerated when I said they were going to fit 11 volumes into 12 episodes. Of course that's not gonna happen, but then why the fuck would they include the origins of Tanikaze when that doesn't even happen till way further down the story? Or Ochiai? Hell they would fast forward all the way there and back but slide over the references between Kunato and Hoshijiro sexual relationship? Not to mention turning the cold hearted Kunato into a crying bitch. Honestly, to think hes know more about Sidonia no Kishi then Nihei and taking stupid liberties like that; I don't know what else to call him but a dumbass. I love Sidonia no Kishi, but common. Don't be a fucking fanboy. Give credit where credit is due and get back to reality. |
LordLagann said: Sure, I exaggerated when I said they were going to fit 11 volumes into 12 episodes. Of course that's not gonna happen, but then why the fuck would they include the origins of Tanikaze when that doesn't even happen till way further down the story? Or Ochiai? Actually, that's chapter 15. Ochiai was revealed in chapter 14 and 15. 15 is the end of volume 3 and as the anime burns through 1.5-2 chapters per episode, they would have reached chapter 15 couple of episodes before the end of 12 episode season anyhow. But to be honest, I would have preferred them making chapter 14 and 15 into a single episode. |
LordLagann said: Hell they would fast forward all the way there and back but slide over the references between Kunato and Hoshijiro sexual relationship? Except that these references never existed in the first place. Kunato liked Hoshijiro, but they never got to have some kind of sexual relationship. |
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Onuma said: LordLagann said: Hell they would fast forward all the way there and back but slide over the references between Kunato and Hoshijiro sexual relationship? Except that these references never existed in the first place. Kunato liked Hoshijiro, but they never got to have some kind of sexual relationship. The scene where Tanikaze blacked out and woke up in some medical room with the Captain playing a nurse, Captain called Kunato (to escort Tanikaze to class) who refused because he was "busy" with a girl. I guess LordLagann mistook that girl for Hoshijiro. Captain called Hoshijiro next who in fact was available proving that the girl wasn't Hoshijiro. Sadly the anime decided to leave out that particular detail. |
UnsightlyWalrusJun 3, 2014 10:02 AM
UnsightlyWalrus said: The scene where Tanikaze blacked out and woke up in some medical room with the Captain playing a nurse, Captain called Kunato (to escort Tanikaze to class) who refused because he was "busy" with a girl. I guess LordLagann mistook that girl for Hoshijiro. Captain called Hoshijiro next who in fact was available proving that the girl wasn't Hoshijiro. Sadly the anime decided to leave out that particular detail. Yeah, I thought that was the case. And I think they did well cutting this scene. For the sake of his character, they changed that scene in the gravity festival too (where he was with yet another girl). These scenes in particular, would only further denigrate his image. |
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Onuma said: Yeah, I thought that was the case. And I think they did well cutting this scene. For the sake of his character, they changed that scene in the gravity festival too (where he was with yet another girl). These scenes in particular, would only further denigrate his image. My mistake, I did mistook those girls but I still believe it's an important scene which was left out. Kunato's role is the heartless overachiever who tramples over people to achieve his success. Right now he's just playing asshole of the month. The choppy character animations and lack of body parts flying around is just playing towards forgetting how despicable Kunato really is. |
LordLagann said: Onuma said: Yeah, I thought that was the case. And I think they did well cutting this scene. For the sake of his character, they changed that scene in the gravity festival too (where he was with yet another girl). These scenes in particular, would only further denigrate his image. My mistake, I did mistook those girls but I still believe it's an important scene which was left out. Kunato's role is the heartless overachiever who tramples over people to achieve his success. Right now he's just playing asshole of the month. The choppy character animations and lack of body parts flying around is just playing towards forgetting how despicable Kunato really is. Except not. His role is a highschool bully who does something rash and ends up deeply regretting it. Anime already ruined that characterization by making him look far more irredeemable than in the manga. |
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| I'd put this on my 5-7 prolly not in my top 5 witch is crazy because I don't like mechs and my first full cgi anime |
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| Sorry, but Ping Pong takes shits on Sidonia. All the previous comments complaining about the art just made me cringe. |
| just started watching it, normaly i dislike excessive cg, but the story part for this makes it up. (though, after reading the manga, it seems for me just way more rushed than the anime. just my opinion) |
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Fai said: Except not. His role is a highschool bully who does something rash and ends up deeply regretting it. Anime already ruined that characterization by making him look far more irredeemable than in the manga. He does some pretty irredeemable things in the manga from conception. He'll gradually simmer away from the story then comes back and do some more fucked up things. I think the Anime makes him look like the sorry high school bully like you said. Except viewers don't get a true sense to as how merciless he is because everything is graphically toned down. In that respect, along with him brawling like a baby, I just know there's viewers out there being undersold about the exact nature of Kunato. |
| Everyone's too busy watching their shitty Mahouka and NGNL. |
kokkoderrisch said: Everyone's too busy watching their shitty Mahouka and NGNL. NGNL is by far the best show of the season, haven't seen a show thats kept me this entertained since hataraku maou-sama last year. Sidonia is the second best definitely better than Mahouka. |
Newhopes said: kokkoderrisch said: Everyone's too busy watching their shitty Mahouka and NGNL. NGNL is by far the best show of the season, haven't seen a show thats kept me this entertained since hataraku maou-sama last year. Sidonia is the second best definitely better than Mahouka. I love porn, porn must be the best genre then! |
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cupc said: Newhopes said: NGNL is by far the best show of the season, haven't seen a show thats kept me this entertained since hataraku maou-sama last year. Sidonia is the second best definitely better than Mahouka. I love porn, porn must be the best genre then! As much as I don't like ecchi, NGNL isn't bad at all nor would I consider it straight-out mindless ecchi. Sidonia >> NGNL >>>>> Mahouka anyday tho |
| For me, NGNL is pathetic in that it has to rely on petty anime culture references to really enjoy it. It's really annoying since it could be better. Also, like Mahouka, NGNL is really dependent on its hype. Sidonia is a standalone anime that can function without either of those things. Though Sidonia may be my favorite anime this season, I have to agree that Ping Pong surpasses it. So for me, Ping Pong>Sidonia>Jojo>>>>>>>>NGNL>Mahouka. |
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| I find NGNL pretty good, much better than Mahouka, which is pretty average, I can't imagine the LN being all that much better. Anime like Sidonia, Ping Pong and Mushishi are much better than the popular generic crap. But that's exactly why this isn't that popular, it's not the standard generic crap that so many anime "fans" love. Date A Live is another example of how garbage anime is popular. |
potplant said: Err...Sidonia is...pretty generic as well. It has a decent score, and didn't make too many mistakes via not revealing much too quickly, but the premise/direction/pace in general is about as 'safe' as it can be in this genre... Troll spotted~ An Immortal young man who lives in an utilitarian-state dystopian ship full of genetic experiments is recruited to fight cosmic horrors in situations where 99% of characters get massacred as if it was no big deal. "Safe" writing that is not |
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| ^ 1) Generic char. Nope. Did you see what he told to Kunato after his betrayal? That's not a generic character. Yes, he is being pushed along, but... What do you really expect from someone who lived 17 years in seclution with an old man? He makes perfect sense. The only character that looks one dimensional is Hoshijiro, and even her makes sense. 2) Were you paying attention? He was RAISED a pilot by the very best pilot ever. And no, he is not "the chosen one", they actually want him to get killed 3)The council, the main source of work being warfare, no democracy, people being promoted in order to be send to die... Definitely not a nice place to choose to live That and the cosmic horror story makes it is dark and cruel, but not unnecessarily. |
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potplant said: Or...a generic mc coming out of nowhere to become the only defense of humanity just because like every other mecha show before this. A mc that errs and uhhs through his way merely pushed along by every other characters but with no personality of his own, other than plot armour 'destiny' because he's so so very special for reasons not yet revealed. Characters in this show are just one dimensional, and the only saving grace is its somewhat bleak settings. For what it is worth Tanikaze could just be a self-propelled semi-sentient Kabizashi and it would not have made a difference to the story. So what's so edgy about this writing? The fact that Tanikaze is 'immortal'? How can you describe Sidonia as a utilitarian state when the nature of utility itself is not yet explained to assess the actions character's take? Is it the death count? Well I don't really care about characters dying when the portrayal are so weak. None of the points are explored in much depth to make them significant. In the later manga chapters, his role is pretty important, but he's far from being a one man army. The challenges they face require more teamwork - which you will definitely see in the ep11 battle. |
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| Every series is generic is some form. Nothing is totally free from it, but what separates the series that are known as "generic" from those that aren't, well, you just need to compare something like Sidonia, Mushishi, Kaiba or Tatami Galaxy to series like Date A Live, SAO, Mahouka, NGNL . The differences are there. Sure they aren't all the same genre but the generic shows, regardless of genre, all have the same shit in em that makes them come across as generic. I honestly like some of these series, but a lot of them are boring and tiresome. |
OnionSoda said: ^ 1) Generic char. Nope. Did you see what he told to Kunato after his betrayal? That's not a generic character. Yes, he is being pushed along, but... What do you really expect from someone who lived 17 years in seclution with an old man? He makes perfect sense. The only character that looks one dimensional is Hoshijiro, and even her makes sense. 2) Were you paying attention? He was RAISED a pilot by the very best pilot ever. And no, he is not "the chosen one", they actually want him to get killed 3)The council, the main source of work being warfare, no democracy, people being promoted in order to be send to die... Definitely not a nice place to choose to live That and the cosmic horror story makes it is dark and cruel, but not unnecessarily. Fai said: An Immortal young man who lives in an utilitarian-state dystopian ship full of genetic experiments is recruited to fight cosmic horrors in situations where 99% of characters get massacred as if it was no big deal. "Safe" writing that is not preach guys preach <3 |
| Not Enough Oppai I love it though |
 Oppai is love, oppai is life |
| Cuz the CG looks like shit. |
| He he. Now that the show has finished it keeps on climbing (even with the MAL demographic). I remember after the first episode it was barely reaching a score of 7 because of all those people who rate shows after watching a single friggin' episode. And yet by word of mouth more and more people are watching it and getting into it and now it's scoring solidly over 8. |
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Wind_Falcon said: It should be noted that the manga itself is pretty trollish - at least for the average Japanese otaku (and some western fans which are used to otaku pandering it seems). It's a thin line, but a lot of the jokes the manga author makes with the world and the characters are more than they seem on a superficial level. Most of these jokes the average reader/viewer won't even register as jokes - they'll think of them as "the most cliche thing in existence" and regard the story and characters as predictable and uninteresting (and the ones with more mainstream taste among them might even find them genuinely entertaining, which is a trap laid by the author), but older Nihei fans will be having a lot of fun with these same cliches because they know exactly why Nihei included them, what previous tropes that he used in his previous manga he's subverting and making fun of mainstream manga/anime by playing them seemingly straight faced, and what is it's meta function. Could you expand on this some more and give me some examples from the anime/manga? I'm very new to anime and manga so there is a lot of stuff I don't pick up on but what you said is really interesting to me. |
| How is this not popular? Its sales were crazy high. |
catullus said: Watching, 6/11, rated a 7. thats just your incorrect opinion and yes opinions can be incorrect. My opinion is a fact because its the only one igaf about. Id rather stab myself in the eyes than watch ping pong. Yeah..... |
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