The Flowers of Evil
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| neh, I would prefer an epilogue, if the author does plan one, the final chapter was about Nakamura's point of view...i'm not satisfied...!! epilogue please!! |
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| This manga is worth a re-read, as the last chapter seemed to me like the last piece of a puzzle. Being this a story where most of what's happening over the characters' heads (aside from Kasuga) goes for the most part unsaid, to get a little glimpse of Nakamura's mind must be necessary to have a better understanding of her actions through the story instead of seeing her as a plain psychotic school girl. She remained the most complex character to the very end. |
| Aww.. Yes I also agree with what the other user said. Nakamura probably saw Kasuga as her last hope to stay as a "pervert", but I guess... around the festival part, before they were about to suicide, she realizes she will always be alone no matter what. But do people here actually thought Nakamura loved Kasuga back..? I'm sure she liked him back, but doesn't completely show it or acknowledge that she is in love because she didn't want to "be like the other shitheads". Perhaps this has to do with the relationship of her parents... Her parents are probably divorced and had very destructive relationship. Even her father said Nakamura is just like her mother. That makes me wonder if that is why she pushed him during the festival. Perhaps she felt pity or thought of his "happiness". She knows Kasuga will have a better life as a "normal" person. I'm convinced this is so because even she pushed Kasuga during their second meeting and told him to go away (with Aya) because he is normal. Overall, I feel bittersweet about the ending. I also agree that chapter 56(?) or 55 was the actual ending and the chapters after them were the specials or chapter 0. I feel like it could be longer.... Too many unanswered questions that are killing me.. I'm still happy that Kasuga ended up with Tokiwa. He dealt with enough crap in his life. But I can't help feeling so sad for Nakamura...... |
| Hmm like many people here, I don't know what to think either. Except that this definitely just felt like an omake that allowed us to see the world through Nakamura's eyes, as well as offering an explanation as to why she was how she was. Other than that, it was definitely an interesting ride, and I'm also surprised to learn that this was like an autobiography of the author? The interview was quite informative regarding the author's intentions and what he wanted to convey through his manga. I also enjoyed browsing through the comments to see what others got out of Aku no Hana. Still, it was quite a confusing manga, and I believe the majority of the people most likely did not see the same thing the author wanted his readers to see, which in a way, is a failure. The author shouldn't have to explain so much for us to understand what he was trying to get at, at least that's what I think. Of course, it could also just be that many of us aren't willing to take the time to dissect his work. However, after piecing together my own thoughts with the author's intentions, I am able to appreciate his work more than I did before. I'll re-read it one day just so I can keep in mind the themes the author wanted to convey as I am reading it. |
MegaUltraTom said: If you need everything spelled out for you and dislike subtlety, I can understand why someone would hate this ending and this series as a result. For me Aku no Hana is complete. There are no lose-strings. This ending finally let's us look into Nakamura's mind. She really was "hentai" (perverse), she was lonely, she had demons. You could easily infer she may even have had psychological disorders (delusional, schizophrenic). Based on Chp 53, her mom mentioning she's been calm lately, and considering her poor memory, her preoccupation with the Sun, it's not a stretch to believe she was on anti-psychotic meds. Kasuga was weird and Nakamura realized that. She thought maybe Kasuga could would be able to understand her, her feelings of disgust at the world, her loneliness, what she was going through with that voice inside her saying "I want out". She wanted him to "tear down his walls", to embrace what she thought they both were. Kasuga was in love with Nakamura and wanted to help her get "to the other side of the mountain", which he thought a public suicide would accomplish. However he just wasn't at her level. She realized no one will able to understand her, not even Kasuga. In the end, Nakamura couldn't make the world as she wanted it, so she had to adapt and become normal. Kasuga on the other hand really matures and we're encouraged to assume he get's a grip on living a fulfilling life. ... ^ Very well put. I'm not one for serious analysis, but your explanation resonates with me. When the anime was first announced, I got curious. I read the first chapter... and then proceed to read all the available material all through a single night and into the early morning. Been following ever since, and now it's finally come to a close. The first half was absolutely spectacular, and I think the second half held it's own. Glad to see where Kasuga has gone since that first chapter, and it was just the right amount of closure in the end. |
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nakoruru66 said: I'd like to think that Kasuga, in chapter 56, when he wakes up of his dream, takes a pencil and he is about, not to write, because he has never been able to, he is starting to draw (yes, to draw) because he is holding a pencil. He is about to draw the story of why nakamura acted like she did, trying to solve his own questions (because nakamura never solved his questions) and trying to give sense to all the things they lived. that's an interesting idea, would fit into the fact that the author says it's an autobiography... lots of interesting posts, I think I'm in the same boat as the people who don't know what to think, need more time to digest the epilogue, probably going to read it all again and look into the life of Baudelaire before a definitive verdict. |
| Is that really the end? MAL wrote that 58 is the finishing chapter, right? :/ It's good though, somehow I like it when it represent the past event by different point of view. |
| *insert philosophical quote here* |
hublaa said: Is that really the end? MAL wrote that 58 is the finishing chapter, right? :/ It's good though, somehow I like it when it represent the past event by different point of view. I thought of it too, but then I remember there was a special chapter, 17.5. MAL is probably taking it into account in the chapter count. |
| At first glance, the chapter was mehhh... After giving it a second thought, I found it amazing I will consider chapter 56 as the epilogue with the dream section being the characters' actual futures. This last chapter tried to prove that what Nakamura perceives as perverted isn't the same with Kasuga's point of view. I liked the theory that Nakamura suffers from schizophrenia and the dementia element in this chapter kinda justifies it. After some time, Nakamura realised that she and Kasuga are different and tried not to drag Kasuga with her since he, as a healthy person has the ability to live a normal life. Probably that's why she told him: "Don't come back. You are a normal person" and pushed him in the festival. ^ At least that's my opinion and I'm glad that such a manga has put me into these thoughts rather than not having any mystery, thrill and questions at all |
NaughtyNoddyMay 30, 2014 10:06 AM
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Artsy said: well, I call it completed then.hublaa said: Is that really the end? MAL wrote that 58 is the finishing chapter, right? :/ It's good though, somehow I like it when it represent the past event by different point of view. I thought of it too, but then I remember there was a special chapter, 17.5. MAL is probably taking it into account in the chapter count. The same thing is going on TWGOK manga, MAL wrote the final chapter was 271 when the final chapter is 268 :/ |
| *insert philosophical quote here* |
| Welp, it was an 8/10 up through the first acts of the story, but sort of on a downward decline after that. I think I understand parts of what the author wanted to say and do with this, but I just don't think the ending act was executed well at all. It was, nonetheless, cool to see things from Nakamura's point of view. But I'm really thinking the author just didn't know how to end his own story properly, and that's why it ended up like this. |
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| This better not be the fucking ending lol. |
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DoctorWasabi said: This better not be the fucking ending lol. Well, it is. |
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| So I finished the anime around 1:30pm (I started it about 6am...went out for 2 hours before resuming) and immediately after that I started reading the manga (took a break when I got to chapter 34 to play my 360 for a tiny bit) and just finished it. It would be nice to see a 2nd season but I've heard that the DVD and Blu-Ray sales for season 1 wasn't very good....is this true though? So after finishing the manga, chapter 56 deals with Kasuga having a dream after having sex with Aya, where it depicts his future desires and hopes everyone else gets a happy ending with Sawa potentially getting her whole family back, Saeki and Kinoshita reuniting, I think there's one for Saeki having a family...not sure who it was on chapter 56 page 15. However, he wakes up and realises he's still at university and is still going out with Aya, who's great. The final chapter showed us how Sawa saw her world at that time and the whole "other side" thing was probably her way of saying she wants to live with her mother rather than her father as the town she ends up moving to can be read as "the other side". After finishing that manga, I felt a little empty beacuse even though it was bittersweet...it did sting a little but it really was an incredible read. I'm so glad I just decided to just do it....I had been holding off it for a while because the anime was retro-scoped, which I ended up not being bothered by it and in a weird way I appreciated it. I gave both the anime and manga a 10/10 |
Ale1212 said: DoctorWasabi said: This better not be the fucking ending lol. Well, it is. Yup. No loose ends here. The author even gave you a glimpse into what the "future" is like for the characters. Infer all you want, but I'm pretty sure this is all that you're going to be hearing officially about this one. Perhaps they'll twist things around in the anime, but I won't be going down that road anytime soon. Strange stuff be strange, but in all a good, creative, twisted story. |
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ravagestorm said: Chapter 55 is the real ending. chapter 56 and 57 are just epilogues for Kasuga and Nakamura. Anyway it is a shame the anime sucked so bad. If it was handled by a decent and NOT SELFISH director then the show could have been a cult classic. I bet we will be seeing Nakamura figmas if they only used the original art style from the manga. *sigh...So much potential and it's wasted by a selfish director. Agree, is very sad the anime was a crap, but fortunately the manga still better. For me the true end in when they get separated after the festival and the tentative suicide, after that part the rest seems more a pace filler toward a sorta of resolution and habby ending. Overall a good serie, 8/10. |
Fn76Jun 2, 2014 1:28 AM
| I'm probably going to repeat what a lot of people already wrote here but I'm not going to bother reading everything. I'm just going to write my thoughts after finishing it last night. chapter 56 the end chapter 57 epilogue In chapter 56 you see how the Flower once again grows inside Kasuga which you can see because how his crazy eyes. Then he starts to write again for Nakamaru. Why for her? Well in the past Kasuga was only able to write when he was 1. possesed by the Flower and 2. if it was to make Nakamaru "happy" Now to chapter 57 you see the beginning from Nakamarus perspective. This is kind of weird but the author is showing us the future through the past in a way because you see how she meets him for the first time and realises how he is a Hentai. This brought a bit of balance her severe mental problems I think, because she has someone who is just like herself. What I'm trying to say is that I think Kasuga is writing for Nakamaru to awaken the Flower in her once again. Not sure if this makes sense, I'm not an native english speaker but whatever. I give Aku No Hana 9/10 |
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| Well that was a nice ride. The middle part got kinda boring but it picked up near the end. The ending was sort of ambiguous, but I liked the whole dream sequence where Kasuga dreamt a perfect life while still being haunted by the flower of evil; he wants to write for Nakamura. I wish we got to learn more about Nakamura though, but it was an alright ending, and I'm not even that keen on open endings. That extra chapter from her perspective was cool, though. Shows how distorted her reality actually was, and how she must've felt when she finally met Kasuga who she thought would understand. It also hints that she must've suffered from multiple mental disorders, and that she probably was on a shit ton of meds when they met her at the restaurant (her mother mentions how calm she had been lately). So yeah, those were my hastily written thoughts. Nice manga. 8/10. |
MoogJul 8, 2014 3:07 PM
| Great manga ... But damn I can't forgive the autor for what he did to Saeki ( even though I get the message he wanted to convey etc ....) |
| As long as he stays with the damn fine Aya, I don't mind whatever he awakens. But yeah, weird ending. |
| I'm confused. Is there a chapter 58 after all? |
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| So she was tripping balls this entire time and wanted to suicide until she found the poor kid on the bike. |
| Nice closing. Showing Nakamura's perspective. |
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| I admit to not caring for the second half as much as the first but it was overall an entertaining read. I am confused why MAL is saying there are 58 chapters, is this an error? |
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gswelcome said: I am confused why MAL is saying there are 58 chapters, is this an error? It's because MAL can't consider ".5" chapters, so they always add a full one instead. example: Chapters 1, 2 and 2.5 MAL considers as ch. 1, 2 and 3. |
| I loved the ending. Things come full circle and start again from another viewpoint. Seeing things for a moment through Nakamura's lens is an emotional punch to the stomach too. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| The ending kind of freaked me out ... i wish i hadnt read this chapter ( ._. ) That being said this was one of the most unique story i have read so far . Definitely worth the time. 9/10 |
| There’s no hope on the battlefield. It has nothing but unspeakable despair. Just a crime we call victory, paid for by the pain of the defeated. Yet humanity has never recognized this truth. And the reason for that is, in every era, a dazzling hero has blinded people with their legends and prevented them from seeing the evil of bloodshed. The true nature of humanity has not advanced a step beyond the Stone Age! |
| Started reading this after I dropped the horrible anime version. This is million times better! Now we get to know a little more about Nakamura inner madness and I find it really dark and crazy. I hope she will find someone too who can bring her happiness. |
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| Lol. This manga is hilarious. It's really entertaining how the first half expected me to take it seriously. That was so ridiculous. Although, I really appreciate the more toned down resolution. The writer chick came through. Weak last chapter though. It revealed nothing about the blackmailing psycho chick's mentality. But whatevs. |
| I was thinking of writing a comment about this, but I read the current page and saw Danton's comment, and he expressed the most things I wanted to point out. The only thing is - I am not sharing the morale of the story opinion, but I will keep it to myself, I guess. Other than that - a near perfect explanation of what people manage to misunderstand in the manga. And you sure explained it more accurately than most of the other people, so it totally makes sense and no need to doubt yourself there. :) With manga's end out of the way... overall, I realy enjoyed the first part of the manga much more for some reason. It had that mysterious vibe about it, making you wonder what was going in the characters heads sometimes. The 2nd part is basically explanations and some a little less than casual romance kind of story. No real development from there on. The manga itself got average art, the characters are well drawn, but background realy suffers.. Where it failed the most though, is probably how many loose points we get - okay, the main 2 characters were explained rather fine.. aya was done not too bad too. But other than that - there realy lacked an impact on others. After new town things just went completely wrong - there was supposed to be some family drama, that got dropped/axed, fine with me, it's not too important to the story, still a little detail. Saeki was realy a weird character.. it's simply like author has some certain hate on this type of girls.. Everything she did was just so.. Baseless? Wrong? I don't know how to explain it better really... and in the end she didn't even leave much impact on MC. There is also Ai, who was too rash on action, which is not too unrealistic, but how she calmly accepted MC afterwards realy didn't suit her character type.. Well, the flaws could flow, but I will end there.. 7/10 from me, It was rather interesting to read, but for it's own reasons, nothing I would totally recommend. |
| Seeing things from Nakamura's point of view was interesting I guess. Though I am rather disappointed with this ending. Was going to give this an 8/10 but this ending made me lower it to a 7/10. This did vastly improve however,the first 23-25 chapters were awful imho (4/10 worthy),but the pay off after that was magnificent (8/10 worthy),but then this ending so had to lower to a 7/10. |
| This ending was really bad, but overall the manga was great. |
| We finally get to see things from Nakamura's point of view. Perfect way to conclude the manga. In the end, I'd like to think that Kasuga will live on with Tokiwa. The previous chapter gives us a dream sequence in which everyone basically get's their own happy end. Of course that may not be the case in the future, but it certainly is a plausible outcome. We saw that Kasuga becomes a writer as well, however, the one thing that irks me is his driving force behind it. His case of Stockholm syndrome still lingers within and the truth of the matter is that it always will. Either way, this is one fantastic manga. I loved every moment of it. |
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| Nakamura wanting to die from her point of view. I could really sympathise with her. The ending was decent and we see Kasuga has moved on for the better. |
 All credit goes to Sacred. |
| The mental pressure/stress from this manga is just too much. I dont know what rating to give, this will probably be the first and last manga I leave with no rating. |
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