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Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. |
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kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. |
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tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. This. The whole "Oh, but he has a wife and childrens" excuse doesn't work with Togashi. Dozens of other mangakas also have wives and kids, but you don't see any of them taking two-year-long hiatus. Face it, Togashi is lazy as hell and doesn't give a shit about his fans. Point. |
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tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. Who sets the standards for work ethic exactly? It is possible that he is not too concerned about milking money or appeasing his fans, but with pleasing himself with his work. Is the guy borrowing money in advance and slacking by playing video games? |
jonnyhan said: tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. Who sets the standards for work ethic exactly? It is possible that he is not too concerned about milking money or appeasing his fans, but with pleasing himself with his work. Is the guy borrowing money in advance and slacking by playing video games? Exactly this... he doesn't lack work ethics, he lacks greed and doesn't want his story to be the Call of Duty of anime |
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judals said: LMAO, u had me rollin'. I'm gonna be switching between this and the new episode thread, they're just so fun to read :)jonnyhan said: tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. Who sets the standards for work ethic exactly? It is possible that he is not too concerned about milking money or appeasing his fans, but with pleasing himself with his work. Is the guy borrowing money in advance and slacking by playing video games? Exactly this... he doesn't lack work ethics, he lacks greed and doesn't want his story to be the Call of Duty of anime |
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jonnyhan said: tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. Who sets the standards for work ethic exactly? It is possible that he is not too concerned about milking money or appeasing his fans, but with pleasing himself with his work. Is the guy borrowing money in advance and slacking by playing video games? Mangakas have standars for work ethic. Togashi doesn't have to follow them because of the deal he made with WSJ before starting HxH, but that doesnt mean he must become the perfect example of an irresponsible, lazy and disinterested mangaka. He doesn't borrow money, he's already rich. But he is slacking off playing video games. Where do you think all the Dragon Quest jokes come from? And lol at pleasing himself with his work. Yeah right, if he wanted that he would never had gone into hiatus, or he woulld have finished the series already. |
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jonnyhan said: tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. Who sets the standards for work ethic exactly? It is possible that he is not too concerned about milking money or appeasing his fans, but with pleasing himself with his work. Is the guy borrowing money in advance and slacking by playing video games? Come on man, I know you are fan of the guy but that's just bullshit. He is in a weekly publications. His work ethics dictates him to draw in a normal secedule. When the manga has more weeks of non-publications, then yes he has terrible work ethics. http://oi58.tinypic.com/2zz51zl.jpg And Togashi clearly doesn't care for his fans. Not issuing any formal apology or even explaining to the fans, why he goes on so many hiatuses. Milking money? if he is not concerned with milking money, he should just ended then. He said in a interview that he as three stories left, but he is not bothered on when he will draw them. I don't like Mashima or Oda or think of their works as something good. But I can confidently say that they have great work ethics, and they are not lazy. |
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judals said: jonnyhan said: tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. Who sets the standards for work ethic exactly? It is possible that he is not too concerned about milking money or appeasing his fans, but with pleasing himself with his work. Is the guy borrowing money in advance and slacking by playing video games? Exactly this... he doesn't lack work ethics, he lacks greed and doesn't want his story to be the Call of Duty of anime No, he lacks every single basis of work ethic. This is not even up to debate. Look at the image tsudecimo posted above me and tell me he has work ethics. If he lacks greed, why hasn't he finished the series already? Why did he begin an arc (Dark Continent) that by the looks of it it's going to be even longer than the Chimera Ants arc, and that it introduces many totally new elements that he is going to have to explain and that guarantees a very long duration? I don't see what Call of Duty has to do in this... |
Andan210Apr 22, 2014 4:04 PM
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tsudecimo said: I know i'm totally butting into the conversation,but maybe he lacks the inspiration right now, i mean, writing a manga from this caliber must be really exhausting right?jonnyhan said: tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. Who sets the standards for work ethic exactly? It is possible that he is not too concerned about milking money or appeasing his fans, but with pleasing himself with his work. Is the guy borrowing money in advance and slacking by playing video games? Come on man, I know you are fan of the guy but that's just bullshit. He is in a weekly publications. His work ethics dictates him to draw in a normal secedule. When the manga has more weeks of non-publications, then yes he has terrible work ethics. http://oi58.tinypic.com/2zz51zl.jpg And Togashi clearly doesn't care for his fans. Not issuing any formal apology or even explaining to the fans, why he goes on so many hiatuses. Milking money? if he is not concerned with milking money, he should just ended then. He said in a interview that he as three stories left, but he is not bothered on when he will draw them. I don't like Mashima or Oda or think of their works as something good. But I can confidently say that they have great work ethics, and they are not lazy. |
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FlareStar101 said: I know i'm totally butting into the conversation,but maybe he lacks the inspiration right now, i mean, writing a manga from this caliber must be really exhausting right? Well who knows. The problem is Togashi never explained why he takes breaks, there are only rumors of the reasons. And judging by the last chapter, it doesn't seem like is running out of ideas or inspiration since like Andan210 said he introduced many new elements to the story and made a setup for a possibly long arc. SaSa-Zoldyck said: He owes us nothing, especially since most of us don't even pay for his work. Agreed. |
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domme008 said: BEST NEWS OF THE YEAR, I can only pray that this will turn out to be true. Andan210 said: tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. This. The whole "Oh, but he has a wife and childrens" excuse doesn't work with Togashi. Dozens of other mangakas also have wives and kids, but you don't see any of them taking two-year-long hiatus. Face it, Togashi is lazy as hell and doesn't give a shit about his fans. Point. What about health problems? As far as I know he has always a been a sickly man, so you'd have to take that into account too. Source plase? All that "he is ill" excuse is just a rumor started by western fans. Togashi has never gave an explanation for his breaks. |
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judals said: jonnyhan said: tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. Who sets the standards for work ethic exactly? It is possible that he is not too concerned about milking money or appeasing his fans, but with pleasing himself with his work. Is the guy borrowing money in advance and slacking by playing video games? Exactly this... he doesn't lack work ethics, he lacks greed and doesn't want his story to be the Call of Duty of anime Exactly, all these buzzword 'work ethics', 'lazy' accusation are thrown around here so righteously like you'd think they accused him of being some severe lazy bum, how dare he doesn't produce and contribute to global economy and leeches off society or something. If you set your priority in life to be spending quality time with your family, and that means you're freaking LAZY. Wow that's a mess up dichotomy you have right there. Life is meeting production quota and pleasing others...these people say. Especially for someone who's earned it already, he made millions for his publisher and earned his status as a beloved writer, he's probably set for life already along with his wife's fortune, he doesn't need to rely on Jump's grueling schedule to survive. He's obviously a smart guy, not a sucker to the flawed and unforgiving manga system. If some other guy rather sacrifice his family time and health to get into the grueling Jump serial system, that's his choice. Greeeat. He wont' earn my respect just for being a sucker to grueling system nor suddenly made his work 'good' or creative and worthy to read. Good for him to earn a special glory for 'good work ethics', whatever. Work ethics doesn't necessarily yield great work. |
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kcaco said: judals said: jonnyhan said: tsudecimo said: kcaco said: Andan210 said: Seriously, he's just extremely lazy and has no work ethics. Every fan knows that. Or maybe he just have different priorities in life now he has made his $$$ and raising two kids and enjoying family life in general. Instead of working 7 days a week with 4 hours of sleep. That makes him not lazy how? Work ethics are work ethics. Other mangakas have lives too, and are already rich but keep their normal work schedule. Who sets the standards for work ethic exactly? It is possible that he is not too concerned about milking money or appeasing his fans, but with pleasing himself with his work. Is the guy borrowing money in advance and slacking by playing video games? Exactly this... he doesn't lack work ethics, he lacks greed and doesn't want his story to be the Call of Duty of anime Exactly, all these buzzword 'work ethics', 'lazy' accusation are thrown around here so righteously like you'd think they accused him of being some severe lazy bum, how dare he doesn't produce and contribute to global economy and leeches off society or something. If you set your priority in life to be spending quality time with your family, and that means you're freaking LAZY. Wow that's a mess up dichotomy you have right there. Life is meeting production quota and pleasing others...these people say. Especially for someone who's earned it already, he made millions for his publisher and earned his status as a beloved writer, he's probably set for life already along with his wife's fortune, he doesn't need to rely on Jump's grueling schedule to survive. He's obviously a smart guy, not a sucker to the flawed and unforgiving manga system. If some other guy rather sacrifice his family time and health to get into the grueling Jump serial system, that's his choice. Greeeat. He wont' earn my respect just for being a sucker to grueling system nor suddenly made his work 'good' or creative and worthy to read. Good for him to earn a special glory for 'good work ethics', whatever. Work ethics doesn't necessarily yield great work. Let's not forget the fact that Togashi completely fodderized WSJ and made them his personal bitches. That's badass if nothing else. |
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Andan210 said: @kcaco So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you. Slacking off is subjective. For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo. They can farm all year, crop is still not good. |
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judals said: Andan210 said: @kcaco So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you. Slacking off is subjective. For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo. They can farm all year, crop is still not good. Subjective opinions are also subjective. You can complain all you want about the Big 3, but you can't deny that all three mangakas do the job they are suppossed to do. And also that is obvious that they love what they are doing and appreciate the support of their fans. That's way more than what i can say of Togashi. Still, we are not talking about them, we're talking abot HxH. Bringing the examples of other mangakas here will only show how lazy Togashi is, besides starting more flame wars. |
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Stark700 said: Really interesting, now i can't say for sure that "lazy" doesn't suit him,but i still think he's a genius.Thx for the informationFound this chart kinda interesting: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/04/22-1/hunter-x-hunter-hiatuses-charted |
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Andan210 said: judals said: Andan210 said: @kcaco So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you. Slacking off is subjective. For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo. They can farm all year, crop is still not good. Subjective opinions are also subjective. You can complain all you want about the Big 3, but you can't deny that all three mangakas do the job they are suppossed to do. And also that is obvious that they love what they are doing and appreciate the support of their fans. That's way more than what i can say of Togashi. Still, we are not talking about them, we're talking abot HxH. Bringing the examples of other mangakas here will only show how lazy Togashi is, besides starting more flame wars. To me their job was to make a good story, but their lack of work ethics makes them milk their shows without taste, since hey, still getting money. Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh? |
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judals said: Andan210 said: judals said: Andan210 said: @kcaco So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you. Slacking off is subjective. For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo. They can farm all year, crop is still not good. Subjective opinions are also subjective. You can complain all you want about the Big 3, but you can't deny that all three mangakas do the job they are suppossed to do. And also that is obvious that they love what they are doing and appreciate the support of their fans. That's way more than what i can say of Togashi. Still, we are not talking about them, we're talking abot HxH. Bringing the examples of other mangakas here will only show how lazy Togashi is, besides starting more flame wars. To me their job was to make a good story, but their lack of work ethics makes them milk their shows without taste, since hey, still getting money. Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh? Again, that's just your opinion. Work ethic is an objective value and is measured by hard work and diligence. Togashi lacks it. There's nothing more to it. You keep bringing Call of Duty examples. I should say i don't play video games... |
Andan210Apr 22, 2014 4:51 PM
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Andan210 said: @kcaco So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you. see I don't see him as lazy, i see him as smart as #90 saids, a man with the ideal priorities in life. He works part-time on his own calling, instead of submit to a grueling schedule and get suck into delivering production quota to please everyone. He gets to where he can call his own shot, make his own pace. I think a lot of work ethics screamer are really just envious. If I were him I'd do the same, only write sporadically when inspiration and motivation came, with enjoying life being my #1 priority. |
kcaco said: Andan210 said: @kcaco So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you. see I don't see him as lazy, i see him as smart as #90 saids, a man with the ideal priorities in life. He works part-time on his own calling, instead of submit to a grueling schedule and get suck into delivering production quota to please everyone. He gets to where he can call his own shot, make his own pace. I think a lot of work ethics screamer are really just envious. If I were him I'd do the same, only write sporadically when inspiration and motivation came, with enjoying life being my #1 priority. So, because you want to do the same that him, that makes him any less lazy? You can put it in pretty words if you want, he is still being lazy with the work he is supposed to be doing. It's fine if you consider right or good what he's doing (i don't, in fact it's the opposite), but don't try to deny objective facts about his work conduct. |
Andan210Apr 22, 2014 5:04 PM
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AsukaTenjyoin said: Inb4 He only does 4 chapters and then goes on another 3 year break... >.< And then he announces it's sequel Hiatus x Hiatus 2060 |
judals said: Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh? The people who made Last of Us most likely make other games you know. And Call of Duty probably have a bigger team to make those games. Togashi takes months/years of hiatus and when he comes back, he can publish pages that look like that: http://shonenbeam.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hxh-c252p12.png http://blog.hachimitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hxh8.png If I can't call that bad work ethics, I don't know what I could call bad work ethics. |
| It's very hard to truly say if he's lazy or not. As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything. Instead, I think people should appreciate what Togashi has done more as it can take a lot of time and effort to write anything and wait patiently for what he will bring out in the future no matter how long it takes. |
xmaikokoro said: Oda has many more things placed throughout his story that shows how much he plans, has a larger story(more characters, events, etc), and has already confirmed that he knows how it will end. And he gets chapters out every week.It's very hard to truly say if he's lazy or not. As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything. Instead, I think people should appreciate what Togashi has done more as it can take a lot of time and effort to write anything and wait patiently for what he will bring out in the future no matter how long it takes. |
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IntroverTurtle said: xmaikokoro said: Oda has many more things hidden throughout his story that shows how much he plans, has a larger story(more characters, events, etc), and has already confirmed that he knows how it will end. And he gets chapters out every week.It's very hard to truly say if he's lazy or not. As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything. Instead, I think people should appreciate what Togashi has done more as it can take a lot of time and effort to write anything and wait patiently for what he will bring out in the future no matter how long it takes. Exactly. Oda is the prime example, but theres also the authors of any other weekly or monthly long-running manga (not necessarily battle shounen) that works on the industry and don't take year-long breaks. No to mention the fact that Togashi is already a veteran mangaka, and that he made a complete long-running battle shounen manga in the past (Yu Yu Hakusho) working on a weekly basis. He's not an amateur and HxH is not his first series. |
Andan210Apr 22, 2014 5:20 PM
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xmaikokoro said: As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything. How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it. |
IntroverTurtle said: Oda has many more things hidden throughout his story that shows how much he plans, has a larger story(more characters, events, etc), and has already confirmed that he knows how it will end. And he gets chapters out every week. That's like comparing apples and oranges. People are all different and they work in different ways. I can't really attest to Oda's quality since I haven't seen One Piece but I am sure he works very hard and he also has pretty solid writing from what I've heard. Oda has shown that he can continuously push himself to his limits while writing and it works for him. But that does not mean it works for Togashi. Andan210 said: No to mention the fact that Togashi is already a veteran mangaka, and that he made a complete long-running battle shounen manga in the past (Yu Yu Hakusho) working on a weekly basis. He's not an amateur and HxH is not his first series. Just because you have written another series doesn't mean you necessarily get better or accustomed to planning and working on a schedule. I have taken classes that require me to write a lot in its time span. Twice I week I would be writing an almost full-length short story. But now, after that class has ended and I have been given more time, and also considering that the story I am working on now is a different "monster" to say the least, things have halted and become much slower. But does that mean I don't have work ethic towards my writing? I surely hope not since I have stuck to it for more than 5 years. I feel the same can be applied to Togashi, he has stuck to HxH for a long time. I feel like he truly cares about HxH and he is pouring every idea he has into it and trying to make it the best that he can. That is why it is taking so long to finish. |
SetsukoHara said: judals said: Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh? The people who made Last of Us most likely make other games you know. And Call of Duty probably have a bigger team to make those games. Togashi takes months/years of hiatus and when he comes back, he can publish pages that look like that: http://shonenbeam.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hxh-c252p12.png http://blog.hachimitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hxh8.png If I can't call that bad work ethics, I don't know what I could call bad work ethics. SetsukoHara said: xmaikokoro said: As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything. How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it. Oh god, the drawnings... Please don't make me remenber, i still have nightmares... |
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xmaikokoro said: No, it's literally comparing a manga's story to another manga's story. And I do agree that people work in different ways, one person trying hard might not be able to match against another person barely trying, but that doesn't mean he is working hard just because he's working differently.IntroverTurtle said: Oda has many more things hidden throughout his story that shows how much he plans, has a larger story(more characters, events, etc), and has already confirmed that he knows how it will end. And he gets chapters out every week. That's like comparing apples and oranges. People are all different and they work in different ways. I can't really attest to Oda's quality since I haven't seen One Piece but I am sure he works very hard and he also has pretty solid writing from what I've heard. Oda has shown that he can continuously push himself to his limits while writing and it works for him. But that does not mean it works for Togashi. |
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judals said: Andan210 said: @kcaco So, in short, you don't care if he's lazy and doesn't do his job? Ok, good for you. Slacking off is subjective. For instance, Big 3 authors are lazy for not writing good enough imo. They can farm all year, crop is still not good. Writing "good enough" is also subjective. |
SetsukoHara said: How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it. I can't say for sure but if Togashi believes that the least important aspect of the story is the art, he might do that especially if it means that he can release the series for his readers on a timely basis instead of possibly delaying his releases and angering his already impatient audience. IntroverTurtle said: xmaikokoro said: No, it's literally comparing a manga's story to another manga's story. And I do agree that people work in different ways, one person trying hard might not be able to match against another person barely trying, but that doesn't mean he is working hard just because he's working differently.IntroverTurtle said: Oda has many more things hidden throughout his story that shows how much he plans, has a larger story(more characters, events, etc), and has already confirmed that he knows how it will end. And he gets chapters out every week. That's like comparing apples and oranges. People are all different and they work in different ways. I can't really attest to Oda's quality since I haven't seen One Piece but I am sure he works very hard and he also has pretty solid writing from what I've heard. Oda has shown that he can continuously push himself to his limits while writing and it works for him. But that does not mean it works for Togashi. I'm not trying to compare the stories. Despite how badly written a story is, you cannot reject the fact that the author might have put a lot of effort into it. The same can be true for good stories. To one author, it may come quickly and effortlessly, but to another, it takes a lot of time and effort. Of course not. But that does not mean you can reject the potential fact that he might be working. Like I said in my other post, I said you cannot truly know if he is lazy. Only Togashi knows himself. But judging him to be lazy without actually knowing him personally and knowing every bit of detail of his life and how he spends it, makes people come off as self-entitled. |
Andan210 said: SetsukoHara said: judals said: Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh? The people who made Last of Us most likely make other games you know. And Call of Duty probably have a bigger team to make those games. Togashi takes months/years of hiatus and when he comes back, he can publish pages that look like that: http://shonenbeam.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hxh-c252p12.png http://blog.hachimitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hxh8.png If I can't call that bad work ethics, I don't know what I could call bad work ethics. SetsukoHara said: xmaikokoro said: As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything. How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it. Oh god, the drawnings... Please don't make me remenber, i still have nightmares... If you look carefully, the first picture makes it look like Knov is jacking off. The second one needs a TL;DR section (just kidding, Welfin needs more love). |
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SolBlade said: Andan210 said: SetsukoHara said: judals said: Call of Duty has a lot of support and fans and they work every year to release a game, it's a shame the Last of Us is only released once, what crappy work ethics, eh? The people who made Last of Us most likely make other games you know. And Call of Duty probably have a bigger team to make those games. Togashi takes months/years of hiatus and when he comes back, he can publish pages that look like that: http://shonenbeam.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hxh-c252p12.png http://blog.hachimitsu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/hxh8.png If I can't call that bad work ethics, I don't know what I could call bad work ethics. SetsukoHara said: xmaikokoro said: As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it takes a lot of time to write something. I have been planning things for my own story for years, making sure I have everything figured out so I don't end up with a plot hole later. When I change something, lots of other things like characters and events need to be changed as well, resulting in even more time investment. If Togashi is anything like me in terms of writing, I do not blame him for his hiatuses. For all you know, he could have planned the rest of the series and yet all he has are fans that just say he's lazy like they know everything. How do you explain the low quality of some of his drawings when he comes back? If anything, he has more time than the other author to do it. Oh god, the drawnings... Please don't make me remenber, i still have nightmares... If you look carefully, the first picture makes it look like Knov is jacking off. The second one needs a TL;DR section (just kidding, Welfin needs more love). Now we know why Knov was so scared that time... |
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jpem said: Laziness aside it's pretty unprofessional. If he is really the type of person that can't work quickly by nature then he should accept that and shouldn't keep trying to draw stuff for a weekly shounen manga. There is nothing wrong with smaller mature stories like those of Asano Inio and such. Tbh he should really just write books instead. He should just follow Araki's steps and take HxH to the Ultra Jump magazine and make the series monthly. That way he can work in a more confortable way, and maybe even improve the art and drawnings. jpem said: Plus he doesn't give a shit about his fans. So much true. |
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