Whould you put a tracking under your childs skin?
| There are a lot of sickos out in the world, and any one of them could swoop on your child as they were walking home from school or were playing on the playground. The questions are: Would you value your childs safety over their privacy or vice versa? Would you elect not to implant them for fear that they might be hacked into and tracked by a third party? Would you hover over the monitor and track their progress 24/7 like an obsessive stalker, or would you only refer to it in emergencies? |
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| Would you value your childs safety over their privacy or vice versa? Yes Would you elect not to implant them for fear that they might be hacked into and tracked by a third party? No Would you hover over the monitor and track their progress 24/7 like an obsessive stalker, or would you only refer to it in emergencies? Refer to it in emergencies |
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| No, microchips don't belong on humans, it has a potential to be abused. |
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| I wouldn't go to far as to put tracking devices on them and stalk them. That's why i'd probably drive them to places whether it's a school or something, until a certain age. |
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| I would hope my kids were more trustable than that but if I turn out to be either a A. over-protective parent B. Paranoid parent C. failed at being a parent and cant trust kid |
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| I wouldn't put a tracking device on my child. I would drive them where they need to be or go (like school, friends house, etc) until I think they are responsible to make their own decisions and go out by themselves or with friends. Also give em a phone and pepper spray. |
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Coolspot said: A. over-protective parent B. Paranoid parent Hardly. Installing a tracking device only to refer to it in emergencies is being cautious and realistic. Being paranoid in this scenario would be to suspect the government of tracking your kids movements with the same device you are. |
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| Once humanity gets to this stage I don't think we have a choice anymore. |
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DerpHole said: Coolspot said: A. over-protective parent B. Paranoid parent Hardly. Installing a tracking device only to refer to it in emergencies is being cautious and realistic. Being paranoid in this scenario would be to suspect the government of tracking your kids movements with the same device you are. Paranoia will destroy ya many parents wont even let there kids leave the block till there 15. I think tracking will be the same way, don't leave the house until you turn the tracker on! |
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| Just take some damn responsibility for your hellspawn and for your local community in bulk and problem solved. Hell paranoia over the children is whats lead directly to the situation that is now happening in many countries. But no, god forbid people take responsibilites or do anything themselves, lets just get someone else to do it. |
RedArmyShogun said: Just take some damn responsibility for your hellspawn and for your local community in bulk and problem solved. Hell paranoia over the children is whats lead directly to the situation that is now happening in many countries. But no, god forbid people take responsibilites or do anything themselves, lets just get someone else to do it. This isn't delegating the responsibility, it's taking it seriously. It's not like you would just stick the chip in them and go zombie mode in front of the fucking TV while your kid was god knows where. No matter how healthy your community was or how active you are in it doesn't mean some nut job from somewhere else can't snatch your kid up while you're cooking grandmas chicken chowder recipe in your nice suburban neighborhood behind your white picket fence in your stainless steel kitchen. |
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| Oooooh, a derphole thread! This is going to be a good one... :P Tough question, would I use such a device on my child? If I lived in an area where I felt it was necessary, I guess so. They're my kid after all, sometimes you have to take precautions. BTW, a company named VeriChip has designed an RFID tag for use in humans. Employees of the company must get "chipped." It's the first such device to be FDA approved for use in human tagging. Right now the chip is passive and can relay data when it receives radio impulses on a certain frequency. But... RFID chips are implanted in many credit cards these days. Which sometimes makes it easy for people with the right equipment to steal your financial info without that card even leaving your wallet. Which is why metal card holders are becoming popular these days. There is also talk about putting digestible RFID chips into food products. Apparently this will allow "them" to track food consumption and nutritional data across populations. RFID chips with condition monitoring, GPS location, and other features are already out there, just not yet approved for human use. One version of Obama's affordable care act called for the creation of a "National Device Registry" in which all medical devices implanted in people would have to be registered. Their definition of medical devices in this case included such chips as VeriChip's human tagging RFID chip. I can see in the future how they will control us all. Make the chip mandatory. And it will have lots of nifty features, like location capabilities, and probably also a kill switch. And then the evil world government will truly own us all. |
DerpHole said: RedArmyShogun said: Just take some damn responsibility for your hellspawn and for your local community in bulk and problem solved. Hell paranoia over the children is whats lead directly to the situation that is now happening in many countries. But no, god forbid people take responsibilites or do anything themselves, lets just get someone else to do it. This isn't delegating the responsibility, it's taking it seriously. It's not like you would just stick the chip in them and go zombie mode in front of the fucking TV while your kid was god knows where. No matter how healthy your community was or how active you are in it doesn't mean some nut job from somewhere else can't snatch your kid up while you're cooking grandmas chicken chowder recipe in your nice suburban neighborhood behind your white picket fence in your stainless steel kitchen. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure Just like TV didn't take over quality family time, or that parents depended on schools to teach their kids Everything and not bother teaching them the bare basics of anything, or how TV dinners didn't take over cooking skills. Progress. What a wonderful thing. Also GPS chips aren't fullproof. See the recent murder rapes in CA in the USA by convicted criminals under house arrest as a perfect example. |
| This is not a matter of parenting anymore, I strongly suggest the use of tracking device for all citizen from the moment they hit their first birthday. Imagine the massive optimization to our society if this was to be implemented. You don't have to carry around ID card. Your medical record would also register with it, as does your bank account. You don't have to carry wallet anymore. All of your life information and assets are now packed into one identity. This will improve security greatly and saves a lot of bureaucracy and red tapes. |
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azzuRe said: This is not a matter of parenting anymore, I strongly suggest the use of tracking device for all citizen from the moment they hit their first birthday. Imagine the massive optimization to our society if this was to be implemented. You don't have to carry around ID card. Your medical record would also register with it, as does your bank account. You don't have to carry wallet anymore. All of your life information and assets are now packed into one identity. This will improve security greatly and saves a lot of bureaucracy and red tapes. And if that power were to be turned against you by a radical political leader, or a coup? |
RedArmyShogun said: DerpHole said: RedArmyShogun said: Just take some damn responsibility for your hellspawn and for your local community in bulk and problem solved. Hell paranoia over the children is whats lead directly to the situation that is now happening in many countries. But no, god forbid people take responsibilites or do anything themselves, lets just get someone else to do it. This isn't delegating the responsibility, it's taking it seriously. It's not like you would just stick the chip in them and go zombie mode in front of the fucking TV while your kid was god knows where. No matter how healthy your community was or how active you are in it doesn't mean some nut job from somewhere else can't snatch your kid up while you're cooking grandmas chicken chowder recipe in your nice suburban neighborhood behind your white picket fence in your stainless steel kitchen. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure Just like TV didn't take over quality family time, or that parents depended on schools to teach their kids Everything and not bother teaching them the bare basics of anything, or how TV dinners didn't take over cooking skills. Progress. What a wonderful thing. Also GPS chips aren't fullproof. See the recent murder rapes in CA in the USA by convicted criminals under house arrest as a perfect example. Saying GPS chips aren't foolproof is a boring argument. Nothing is foolproof, least of all your "good communities" (I.E Ivory Tower) if anything, those would make you complacent with a false sense of security. Chips would just be a safety-net, they obviously can't replace diligence or vigilance where your childs safety and well-being is concerned. |
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Heredity said: RedArmyShogun said: how would this be 'turned against you?' the government can delete your existence now with about the same level of ease.azzuRe said: This is not a matter of parenting anymore, I strongly suggest the use of tracking device for all citizen from the moment they hit their first birthday. Imagine the massive optimization to our society if this was to be implemented. You don't have to carry around ID card. Your medical record would also register with it, as does your bank account. You don't have to carry wallet anymore. All of your life information and assets are now packed into one identity. This will improve security greatly and saves a lot of bureaucracy and red tapes. And if that power were to be turned against you by a radical political leader, or a coup? Not really, you can at least now vanish from the grid if you really wanted. A tracking device makes that a impossibility. Also I don't think you know the sorts of shit that goes on in government(every government that matters at least) on that level. Giving them that sort of power would be the last mistake you ever made. @ Derp and thats all thats needed is that last bit, and I think you are mistaking me for someone else. I trust most of the people that live around me as much as I do running in a minefield, hell I would WANT to be able to vanish from some of them in all honesty. But oh well time for me to try and sleep. |
| Just why? Its like your stalker your own child until they are over the age of 18. Let your child explore the world of women/men and drugs, it is part of the learning experience |
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| And if the chip is for..oh safety reasons placed deeper like the chest cavity or skull? Hmm might surprise you what I know or don't. Also true. Thats why I conduct as little buisness electronically as I can. But as I said later. Maybe someone else can keep this going. |
| In this fear-filled age, it wouldn't hurt at all. Plus, ya know, it would be incredibly entertaining. "What's my kid doing at Super Giant Sex Toys for Toddlers and Teens? HMMMMM" |
RedArmyShogun said: And if the chip is for..oh safety reasons placed deeper like the chest cavity or skull? Hmm might surprise you what I know or don't. Also true. Thats why I conduct as little buisness electronically as I can. But as I said later. Maybe someone else can keep this going. Passive RFID has pretty large attenuation so it probably wouldn't really be feasible to drop it deep under the skin currently. Remember, any RFID tag planted in a human would have to be pretty small which limits the reflected signal (coupled with the body's composition that's giving additional attenuation). |
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| There are people out there who would sit there 24/7 watching the monitor and anyone with access to the PC/ monitoring device would know where kids were... |
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| I wouldn't unless they wanted to. My kid's going to be too much of a badass, he'll be able to fight for himself. On a more serious note, I wouldn't unless they consented to it. I can already tell that I'm going to be that crazy over protective parent up until they reach a certain age. |
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Heredity said: that's a silly proposition that's not done in any current tagging procedures. it's meant to be low cost and non-invasive. conducting your business online or offline means nothing. you're conducting business period and need to operate with the government to even operate as a member of society. don't kid yourself into thinking doing your banking at the bank or going to a tax office to sort out and pay your taxes physically is any different to doing it online when it comes to this topic. anyway, i don't believe you when you imply that you know more than me in regards to anything low level in the government. i suspect we're on the same level of knowledge. Keyword current tagging procedures. Take when flight was first made, albit for good reasons in the long run, that was quickly banned from civilian hands in spite of the fact governments encouraged it and said they would never limit it. In fact passports were rather uncommon as were immigration policies till around the period around WW1. The people were told, h-hey! you can go where you want this just says where you are from! Today you can't leave any country hardly without it, nevermind immigration is now purely for the rich in most cases. The point I'm making is, government, all government is good at lying, and once they get what they want out of you they don't think twice in swatting you down. At first under the skin would likely be the norm. But once a few people start removing them "public safety" would step in, civili liberties be damned. As to the chips being small. Computers used to be the size of cars, even a I-book has more processing power and space than a super Computer from the 1950's. As what I may or may not know, I don't see the point in debating it online. Its like Snowden, he can release all the shit he wants, and you'll still have people not believing it. Plus my personal life is just that, my personal life. Its none of your business. Which is mostly why I'm against this and most of what the global governments have been doing as of late. This is a breach of trust between the citizenry and the government, the path to hell is paved with good intentions my friend. And frequently that road is paved by a smiling bastard in a suit thats good at lying. And thats not what I meant in not leaving a trace but as much as I have to. But regardless I'm sure I'm in the "system". And no that doesn't sit well with me. I'm just not some martyr. Doesn't mean I'll bend over and say thank you sir. But I'm not going to fight any crusades. In every war only a small group of people ever actively support or fight. And today with how well people are conditioned the NSA, FSB, MI-5, or who ever else could walk up to the average layman, smack his or her father, fuck the mother on the couch and inject the said layman with viagra, and they STILL wouldn't rise up. I won't say anymore on the topic but I disagree with it on the following grounds. 1 Technology is already too involved in our day to day lives as is. Inspite of scienitific warnings that are ignored we keep up on the march with it as people are when lacking social order and thought, lazy fuckers. 2. This is a fundamental breach of privacy. If you worry about yourself or your kids that much its time to take a step back and go. "Gee am I this shitty at making my own choices, or trusting my kids to make the right ones?" and "Just what sort of people am I living next to, or encouraging a hands off approach on." 3. All these crimes are rather rare that this device would stop, which it wouldn't. Just makes the body easier to find. Hell use a bit of the liqued rag, knock em out, cut it out. It just gives in to the culture of fear and apathy that is plauging the modern world. 4. Its a fundamental breach of the most fundamental rights all humans have. The right to think and the Right to self determination. Say your mom and dad are real shits, and you move in with a friend and pay your own way. Technically in most countries this is illegal, or say you have a over protective parent. They can find you, anytime, anyplace, anywhere, and make life a living hell for you. Nevermind the ways in which a hacker, criminals, or the government its self could exploit this system. Everyone has the right to think for themselves, and do anything they want. They should also expect to have anything done to them as a result of their actions. Do we really need more of this bubble wrap society shit? And with that I'll be ignoring this topic. |
RedArmyShogunApr 20, 2014 7:00 AM
| Well, I would be fine putting a little bracelet or ankelet thing on them when they're a toddler and liable to wander off in a store or something, by the time they're 6-8 (maybe) there wouldn't be a need |
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| Hey, anyone know what wave length these devices operate on? *discretely pulls out pen and paper* You know for....Uh security reasons.... |
| who ever wants to track their children, tell the truth do u want to protect them or prevent them from watching porn |
| No. The day kids are tracked is the day of the spiral into complete privacy loss. You can't give the government an inch because they'll take it all from you. Anyone who values liberty should be massively opposed on principle. Once you start with the kids, where do you stop? Answer:You don't. |
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Mogu-sama said: Well, I would be fine putting a little bracelet or ankelet thing on them when they're a toddler and liable to wander off in a store or something, by the time they're 6-8 (maybe) there wouldn't be a need This. Also, implanting without consent is just plain wrong. |
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cabacc2 said: sedmelluq said: Mogu-sama said: Well, I would be fine putting a little bracelet or ankelet thing on them when they're a toddler and liable to wander off in a store or something, by the time they're 6-8 (maybe) there wouldn't be a need This. Also, implanting without consent is just plain wrong. There is no use in asking children for consent. The OP has options which go well beyond ages where people can make decisions for themselves. |
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cabacc2 said: even in that situations it would be rather difficult, because the two parties are not equal. One is extremely dependent from the other, which means if the parents really wanted to, they could force the child to consent. I agree with you, but it woudnt really be practicable. Tracking a child with age already in double-digits is absurd anyway. |
| If you generalize, you're wrong. |
cabacc2 said: if it makes any sense, then its between age 10 and 16. Thats when most of the shit happens, like children running away from home. Hormones can make quite a mess of a teenagers brain... Well, I was thinking more of a toddler getting lost. |
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| Why only children? Might as well track them even as adults. And while we're at it, track your spouse too, so s/he doesn't accidentally enter the wrong bedrooms. And your neighbors, just to make sure you don't live next to someone who frequents shady establishments. And complete strangers, just for the lulz of it. No. |
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cabacc2 said: after I've given it some thought, I have to agree with RAS. The ways to exploit this system are many-sided, they reach from parents controling their children in very nasty ways, to hackers (just imagine the options they have.. horrible), to governments abusing the system. The potential downsides are too great, and the benefit we would get from it is mostly a false feeling of security. Safety is the greatest illusion to begin with. RAS is right. He's pretty grounded on the potential for abuse and negatives. The reality at the moment is that you don't have enough distance in passive RFID (due to attenuation) for it to be useful for generic tracking. However, that doesn't mean that these issues won't be worked around eventually. |
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