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Dec 26, 2013 1:02 PM
#561
Yeah, maybe I just don't see it. I mean, Yu Yu Hakusho's female character had much more shojoesque eyes. So does Ran in Detective Conan. Most if not all female characters have round eyes. Also, for Nami it's just one big black(or brown?) circle with a white circle high up, like my avatar... while most other female characters have a brown or blue circle on the outside, with the black on the inside and a smaller white circle on the inside. Then again, I don't find anything weird with the art while others do... so *shrug* |
Dec 26, 2013 8:23 PM
#562
Because it's mainstream and most of the people on MAL are ignorant hipsters. |
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Jan 2, 2014 9:28 PM
#563
I don't like it because i find the art bad and ugly. I mean luffy mouth <_< Its also to long, the brave soul who embarks in watching around 600 episodes. |
Jan 2, 2014 9:33 PM
#564
raisingfalcon said: Naruto is only like 50 episodes less and you've watched that.I don't like it because i find the art bad and ugly. I mean luffy mouth <_< Its also to long, the brave soul who embarks in watching around 600 episodes. |
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Jan 3, 2014 8:58 PM
#565
tsudecimo said: Some characters have the big eyes and smile that shoujo art is known for. It's not apparent in the artstyle as a whole but Nami looks like a generic shojo character. Shojo example Nami Shojo example Kid Nami It's all in the eyes and smile, I can post better pictures but that will take a while. You're right, they looked similar. However... big eyed character isnt equal with shoujo manga art. Isn't "big and round eyes" somewhat a common trait in anime-style drawing? I can mention >20 titles of shounen series with female characters having big and round eyes..... |
Jan 3, 2014 9:27 PM
#566
anonimkun said: You're right, they looked similar. However... big eyed character isnt equal with shoujo manga art. Isn't "big and round eyes" somewhat a common trait in anime-style drawing? I can mention >20 titles of shounen series with female characters having big and round eyes..... Yeah but some art styles are more distinctive and hard to miss when it comes to the big ''anime eyes'' than others. Like Shoujo and Key's character design. Generic Shoujo art is infamous when it comes to big eyes and sparkly ones. |
Jan 4, 2014 6:42 AM
#567
But the eyes of One Piece are not sparkly, at all. In fact and despite some inconsistencies in the eye colour as in some arcs it is emphasized a little more (I'm thinking of Punk Hazard, for instance, or the fifth opening), usually it will be a standard black/dull-coloured design. Nami's eyes may be similar in size and form, but definitely not in the detail level you are implying, and not either on the artistic focus. With some exceptions (Robin, for instance), the eyes in this series are not the main expressive trait of the faces. |
Jan 4, 2014 6:16 PM
#568
And also, like I already linked, there are TONS of female characters in other shounen that have more "shojoesque" eyes. Look again at the blue haired girl from Yu Yu Hakusho... EDIT: Also, I don't really see how this is a fault. There are a ton of different eye styles in One Piece, as seen in the following linked image: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/175/0/7/07ee39a691f4907d2a166116ec16f286-d50gqld.png If that's the only thing that's anything near "shojoesque" then *shrug*, can't really complain. I love the eyes in One Piece. If it's "shojoesque" then really, who cares? If you do, okay. But I don't think it's a flaw, and I doubt many others consider it one too. |
DarkAngelzJan 4, 2014 6:21 PM
Jan 4, 2014 6:43 PM
#569
jal90 said: But the eyes of One Piece are not sparkly, at all. In fact and despite some inconsistencies in the eye colour as in some arcs it is emphasized a little more (I'm thinking of Punk Hazard, for instance, or the fifth opening), usually it will be a standard black/dull-coloured design. Nami's eyes may be similar in size and form, but definitely not in the detail level you are implying, and not either on the artistic focus. With some exceptions (Robin, for instance), the eyes in this series are not the main expressive trait of the faces. Never ever said the eyes in One Piece are sparkly. I was describing a generic trait in Shoujo art. I also never ever said that all characters or most of them have this. I said some. Yeah they are not the main trait of faces. DarkAngelz said: [...] I don't know why you are being so defensive. I never watched Yu Yu, from the battle anime I watched, one piece's female characters looked the most shojoesque. I don't think I said this was a flaw, I was just describing some of the art style in one piece along with the cartoon-y look. I think the art as a whole is ugly and not unique but never said it was a flaw. The art was the smallest problem I had with one piece, just to give you a better insight. |
Jan 4, 2014 10:59 PM
#570
tsudecimo said: jal90 said: But the eyes of One Piece are not sparkly, at all. In fact and despite some inconsistencies in the eye colour as in some arcs it is emphasized a little more (I'm thinking of Punk Hazard, for instance, or the fifth opening), usually it will be a standard black/dull-coloured design. Nami's eyes may be similar in size and form, but definitely not in the detail level you are implying, and not either on the artistic focus. With some exceptions (Robin, for instance), the eyes in this series are not the main expressive trait of the faces. Never ever said the eyes in One Piece are sparkly. I was describing a generic trait in Shoujo art. I also never ever said that all characters or most of them have this. I said some. Yeah they are not the main trait of faces. DarkAngelz said: [...] I don't know why you are being so defensive. I never watched Yu Yu, from the battle anime I watched, one piece's female characters looked the most shojoesque. I don't think I said this was a flaw, I was just describing some of the art style in one piece along with the cartoon-y look. I think the art as a whole is ugly and not unique but never said it was a flaw. The art was the smallest problem I had with one piece, just to give you a better insight. Oh. My bad. The reason I got defensive was probably because this is a "why do you hate OP" thread... so I automatically assumed you thought it was a flaw. Especially considering a shounen series should "look" like a shounen series. Also, I get the accusation that it's cartoony. I already said I don't see at all the shojo aspects of the art though. You mentioned the eyes, and I find the eyes of females in One Piece to be normal for shounen. If they resemble shojo eyes, then One Piece is not alone in that. That's all I was trying to say. I just completely disagree with you. Sorry(?) for being defensive? o.0 I get defensive. That's me. EDIT: Also, can I call Bullshit on your "from the battle anime I watched, one piece's female characters looked the most shojoesque."? You saw Hunter x Hunter, right? The eyes of the males, which may or may not be relevant: http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/5/37973l.jpg http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/9/174559.jpg http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/7/214665.jpg ^ Big round eyes that take up most of the face (which is what shojo art is known for) and: http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/13/155619.jpg http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/5/205571.jpg The reason why the art doesn't look shojo, isn't because of the eyes. It's because of the angles of the face and hair. Most females across genres have big round eyes. It's the MALE character's eyes that are usually different. Also, the ANGLES. One Piece doesn't really play on angles, so in that sense I can now understand a bit of the shojoesqueness of One Piece. That being said, the colors are also important. Shojo series are bright. Shounen are darker. One Piece depends on the arc, it's colorful but does have darker tones when necessary. Also, shojo series that revolve around action : Kuroshitsuji, DN Angel, etc. Art wise... I really don't see a resemblence... But then again, I never cared for the art style enough to notice specific and particular nuances that make the art different... EDIT2: http://myanimelist.net/character/4965/Mur_Mur -Future Diary http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/4/186851.jpg -Magi http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/9/195839.jpg -Magi http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/11/186739.jpg -Magi http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/anime/5/43327l.jpg -Accel World >.> EDIT3: ESPECIALLY look at Accel World >.> http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/3/175745.jpg http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/8/155627.jpg http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/8/162195.jpg EDIT4: http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/5/79790.jpg ->Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Like I said... Female eyes are pretty much the same cross the genres. So your accusation is yeah... what is it? Bull. |
DarkAngelzJan 4, 2014 11:30 PM
Jan 21, 2014 8:02 PM
#571
One Piece strays far away from "weeaboo" notion which is a huge relief in the anime industry. Me personally, I absolutely can't stand art style like in Angel Beats or other bishie plagued art. |
violrollJan 21, 2014 8:09 PM
Jan 22, 2014 7:14 AM
#572
"Why do alot of people ''hate'' One Piece" Because they only have One Ball raisingfalcon said: I don't like it because i find the art bad and ugly. I mean luffy mouth <_< Its also to long, the brave soul who embarks in watching around 600 episodes. I pity you. |
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Jan 29, 2015 9:45 AM
#573
Honestly I don't like One Piece for many reasons, but, compared to Naruto, Fairy Tail and others famous shonens, I understand why people loves this manga. The thing I find great in this manga is It's not only Luffy, but all the crew is important. It's hard to imagine one of them missing without big reasons. The thing I don't like OP is , because I just don't like this type of fiction... Fights become godlike over-the-top, Nakama-Power, predictables plots, some annoying characters (Sanji for me..),etc... Plus I really don't like how some badguys loses (like Lucci..) I don't like OP but I admit it has many good points and I understand why It's so famous. |
Jan 29, 2015 11:56 AM
#574
The length? |
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Jan 29, 2015 11:58 AM
#575
It's not as much as that I hate it, but more so that I never, ever want to watch it. Does that make sense? Because of how f*cking long it is. |
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Jan 29, 2015 11:59 AM
#576
There are many reasons, but I think the most notable reason is probably the fights that take as long as Dragon Ball Z if not longer. |
Jan 29, 2015 12:04 PM
#577
Dark_Chaos said: Now that's just factually wrong.There are many reasons, but I think the most notable reason is probably the fights that take as long as Dragon Ball Z if not longer. |
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Jan 29, 2015 12:04 PM
#578
For the same reason people hate Fairy Tail, Naruto Shippuden, Bleach, Hunter x Hunter, SAO, Log Horizon, Akame ga Kill, Parasyte, Nisekoi etc. The reason is that there's a trend especially among elitists called "Hating mainstream animes". We, who love these animes, are considered filthy casuals. |
Jan 29, 2015 12:13 PM
#579
IntroverTurtle said: Dark_Chaos said: Now that's just factually wrong.There are many reasons, but I think the most notable reason is probably the fights that take as long as Dragon Ball Z if not longer. Sure as hell felt like it. I should know, having watched it along with Naruto and Bleach weekly over the years and re-watching Dragon Ball Z after College at a fairly slow pace too. Just as predictable as Dragon Ball Z too actually. The idiot protagonist gets sidelined for a while, while all his friends get beaten up until he somehow finds his way back to the big bad after 10 or so episodes. |
Jan 29, 2015 2:51 PM
#580
What on earth is this? The thread of century? Has this thread been going on since the inception of MAL? |
Jan 29, 2015 3:19 PM
#581
-Because people are intimidated by anything with more than 100 episodes -Because the comedy and hijinks might not be for everyone -Because it's not a dark-and-edgy masterpiece like Attack On Titan or Akame Ga Kill -Because the artstyle is off-putting to shallow people -Because some people just don't like Shonen in general |
Jan 29, 2015 5:46 PM
#582
Dark_Chaos said: IntroverTurtle said: Dark_Chaos said: There are many reasons, but I think the most notable reason is probably the fights that take as long as Dragon Ball Z if not longer. Sure as hell felt like it. I should know, having watched it along with Naruto and Bleach weekly over the years and re-watching Dragon Ball Z after College at a fairly slow pace too. Just as predictable as Dragon Ball Z too actually. The idiot protagonist gets sidelined for a while, while all his friends get beaten up until he somehow finds his way back to the big bad after 10 or so episodes. Let's see, that happens in 2 out of 24 arcs. Arlong Park and Skypiea. So, are you sure you were paying attention? |
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Jan 30, 2015 4:23 AM
#583
It's because of the cheesy animation, cheesy artstyle, cheesy humour, cheesy soundtrack, cheesy characters, and cheesy plot. |
wildhoodJan 30, 2015 4:46 AM
Jan 30, 2015 4:29 AM
#584
Because it's popular, else nobody would give a sh*t. Right now people might hate it because of the pacing... |
Jan 30, 2015 5:38 AM
#585
It doesn't really have that much hate. According to its stats on this site, 0.7% of its members gave it a 1. There are numerous reasons I believe someone would hate One Piece: 1-The artstyle may not suit everybody since it's cartoonish. 2-The humour is not to everyone's taste since they are mostly the goofy type and may become repetitive. Sometimes a joke ruins an important moment (some of Sanji's fights) and sometimes a joke is made into a serious issue (again Sanji but this time his nosebleed). 3-Animation is really inconsistent and mosyly bad. 4-Pacing is unbelievably slow. Each episode has the content of 4 minutes of a normally paced episode mostly due to long recaps and padding. 5- Over-the-top expressions which may ruin some moments. 6-Fights are generally poorly choregraphed and the erarlier ones lack strategy.. 7-One Piece is also repetitive and predictable to some extent and some arcs are fomulaic. 8- One Piece is light hearted and some people just like dark and edgy stuff. 9-Asspulls, plot conveniences and plot armour galore. 10-Lack of focus with a bunch of fillerish events interspursed between the important ones. Edit: I've actually found two other reasons that fit here 11-Oversexualized female characters. The excessive fanservice Post TS is cringeworthy. 12-Little to no charatcre development. Other reasons which have nothing to do with the show itself are: 13- One Piece is massively popular in Japan and in terms of overall manga sales, it is the most popular worldwide. So this causes - hipsters to simply hate it because its mainstream. -Fans of other popular series to hate it out of sheer jealousy because their faves aren't as popular (for those who care about that). -Pseudo elitists will hate it to look cool. 14- Fanbase Its fanbase is unbelievably cancerous and even though that should normally not affect the enjoyment of viewers, it most definitely does. A good example being this thread where the fans of OP have bashed the living crap out of Bleach and Naruto as well as their repective mangaka and any person who criticises OP like that death threat on the first page. This makes some people to be negatively biased against One Piece. You can also check the reviews. http://myanimelist.net/anime/21/One_Piece/reviews The fifteenth review in particular gave it 1 which makes it surprising that it appeared on the first page but not so much when you notice that it is probably the most in depth out of them all and so gives you an insight into what people really dislike about it. [quote=UknwWhu's review] One piece follows the life of monkey d. luffy in his quest to become the pirate king. At the events in one piece are inspired by the death of the pirate king, Gol D. Roger. At the time of his execution by the navy, his last words started the great age of pirates. He informed the crowd of spectators, that included pirates and wannabe pirates, that the legendary treasure (which he had obtained) one-piece, was left in the legendary sea/ocean known as the grand line. The result of this was the beginning of pirate age, in which pirates from all forms of life and all parts of the world of one piece, search for the legendary treasure in order to achieve the status of being the pirate king. Monkey D. luffy along heads to the grand line with the object of finding the legendary treasure and becoming pirate king. He along starts his own crew of pirates which will be an aid to achieving his dream of becoming pirate king. His crew consists of: the 3 sword style swordsman roronoa zoro, the navigator nami, cook sanji, archaeologist Robin, doctor Choppa, mechanic Franky and Usopp. The world of one piece is divided into 3 forces. There are the pirates who were inspired by the words of Gol D. Roger, in their quest at finding the legendary treasure. The other forces are the antagonists of the series, which is the marines under Akainu. The last force in the series are the shichibukai, warlords with authority from the World government to pillage, though they owe an allegiance to the world government to combat pirates, even though they are pirates themselves. Fighting is a mainstay in the world of one piece. This is achieved by Devil fruits, which grant the person who eats them an ability. The ability could be for example fire. The ability granted to a person has some side effects though. A wielder of a devil fruity power is unable to swim. Their body becomes like a hammer when they are in the ocean. This has too be noted as a significant thing, as the world of one piece is made of at least 90% of water CRITICAL EVALUATION FROM THIS POINT ON THE STORY The premise for the making of the manga and anime was the whole story surrounding Gol D. Roger, the legendary pirate who inspired a generation of pirates to go to the sea and live out their dreams. All though this is correct and a certain point, for example the world of one piece is 90% water so its easy for the pirates to be claimed to be living their dreams and as can be seen in the series they enjoy a lot of freedoms when they are at the sea. The series deviates substantially though from the basic premise. Each and every arc of the series is not dedicated to divulging information on the whereabouts of the legendary treasure one-piece. Each arc has an independent story which is totally independent from the other arcs. The basis for each arc is repetitive. What will happen at the beginning of an arc, is that the would be some form of distress emanating from an island, which is always conveyed to our main protagonists, the straw-hat pirates. The distress would be the result usually of some pirates who are attacking a village or marines stationed in a particular island are causing problems for the local inhabitants. At this point one-piece will illustrate its intellectual bankruptcy. In the world of pirates, one is considered a pirate by the amount of pillaging and destruction they cause to law abiding citizens. But this is not the case with this anime. At this point of when the emergency has been relayed to the protagonists, the straw hat pirates. They will make it their mission to free the inhabitants of the island from the cause of their problems. This is an action which deviates substantially from what one would classify as typical pirate behavior. Our heroes will than have a feast at the end of the arc with the villagers after they have done away with the 'evil' guys. Each and every arc in this damn anime follows the same pattern In short the story of one piece does not tell the story of the search of the legendary treasure. It is a series of mini-stories similar to mushishi which are not related. As soon as an arc ends. A new one will start bearing no relationship to the previous one. Its the reason why some people have described one piece as one huge filler. WHAT ARE PIRATES ANYWAY? One piece fans always force the general folk to re-define what a pirate is. Sadly when one considers the amount of loss suffered by the music and other industries, we can all come to the conclusion that the classical definition of a pirates still remains. One piece is incredibly bipolar when it comes to its definition of a pirate. The creator has two forms of pirates: the classical and the one represented by the straw hat pirates. The classical pirates in one piece are all about pillaging and causing harm. This can be explained with the aid of Sir Crocodile. A pirate who forced the citizens of a nation to engage in a civil war so he, at the end of the war, can take the country and a secret weapon it yields for himself. The other version of a pirate is the one of monkey D. Luffy. He is a hero of the defenseless and the stupid (or mentally retarded if one is to be more precise). He is presented as one who yields the true spirit of being a pirate, adventure NOT pillaging. He goes out of his way to lecture each and every bad pirate he encounters on the moral duty to be a good pirate and be a role model to the kids. Luffy is not a pirate in the same manner naruto is not a ninja. Regardless of how the writer of the manga wants people to define him as. I prefer the term Salvation Army when Luffy and his crew of pirates come to mind. Why? Obviously there is a lack of pillaging and destruction of innocent peoples property in one-piece. There is no such thing as a good pirate. Anyone of that opinion needs to be psychologically assessed. PLOT SHIELD REPUBLIC Anime loves a good power up and one piece is no stranger too that. The name of the power up in this instance is the nakama concept. This in lamens terms can mean a friend. This is used especially by luffy when he is in a situation in which he is supposed to lose, but miraculously survives and beats his opponent. This concept is abused quite a lot, for example luffy said the same thing twice when he was killed by Sir Crocodile and came back to life each time. Except for the abuse of the concept of nakama. Luffy and his crew survive a host of situations in which they are supposed to die. The best of example is the skypea arc. In the fight against Enel, the entire crew was obliterated by lightning, but at the end of the fight they just dusted themselves up as if nothing had happened. All of the arcs are the same, our crew of protagonist just can't be killed even if the next was located in the sun, they would still survive and have enough time to have a feast with the locals. ART the least said about the art in one piece the better. One does tend to feel that the art was done when the creator was drunk or too be more precise, intoxication is what inspires the creator of one piece to draw his characters in a way in which even Tele-tubbies would find ridiculous. FIGHT SCENES Ridiculous fight scenes are abound. Blessed with the power up of nakama and plot shields. The formula for fighting in this anime is one in which every character tells his opponent how he is going to attacks him before he launches his attacks. And you know what? The stupid opponent will not dodge the attack. Why? I don't know, that is something that is beyond my intellect. POWERS Everyone in one piece has powers. Despite the presence of devil fruits. When one sits down and watches one piece, it becomes clear stating that some characters have devil fruit powers is something done for the sake of convenience. Every character has some form of ability. Examples, Nami can control the weather, Usopp Can bring plants to life just by shooting a seed, Coby can break a freaking gate with his bare hands etc etc etc. Use of the term devil fruit, is done in certain instances example if you were to have a fight scene close to the water, the writer would feel convenient at that point in time to refer their abilities as devil powers. CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT I will stick to the main characters, i.e the straw hat pirates as my I.Q has dropped by 75% from the writing this review Monkey D. Luffy - his the main protagonist of the series. He is the one who has the ambition of being a pirate king. Luffy is an incredibly annoying protagonist. His stupidity knows no bounds. His actions are usually the cause of an arc, yes I know I alluded to the emergency situation. At the beginning of each and every arc, Luffy will do something incredibly stupid that endangers the lives of his crew. Once the writer is sure that luffy's stupidity have left his crew mates in life threatening situations. Luffy will start spouting that nakama shit like militants do with that jihadist thing. In short, luffy will proclaim, after his friends are in danger because of his stupidity, that he will do everything in his power to save them. Yes, endanger peoples lives than proclaim you will risk life and limb to protect them, THAT IS SERIOUSLY STUPID. For 600 eps this pattern rears its ugly head. Even the death of his brother by his own hands (YES ACE DIED BECAUSE OF LUFFY'S STUPIDITY) does not cause any form of maturity in luffy's behavior. This is something you will experience time and time again when watching one piece. Nami - short and simple - her role in this anime is pure fan service.he goal is to draft a map of the entire world of onepiece, which is ridiculous as the map of one piece can be drafted without taking a tour of the planet. When she is first introduced, her chest was FLAT. Cue the time skip and she has become a porn star. Despite that her role is navigator the crew. She does not exhibit any other form of character development except for being the main cock teaser of the series. She also takes part in dumb fights, with villains she should lose to, but because they are distracted by her bra size or her stupidity in certain instances, she comes up top. Sanjii - is the cook and woman lover of the crew. His goal is to find the legendary sea all blue. But forget about that, he does not seem to be concerned about the whereabouts of the legendary sea all blue. He is potrayed as a lover of women, even though he does no ask any of them out FOR 600 EPS. His character does not change at all from the moment he is first introduced, except if one where to include the increasing volume of blood he loses from seeing a beautiful woman. If that is what dumb people call development. Choppa - for the kids. He is the doctor and mascot of the crew. His job along with Usopp's is to scream every time the is a powerful enemy or frightening. Except for that, he is just the doctor of the crew and his character does not develop, exception again if one includes the amount of cuteness the writer seems to include with every arc. Zoro - swordsman of the crew. He dreams of being the best swordsman in the world, in order to do that he needs to beat a man who wields the worlds longest butter knife. He does not stray too far from his goal, although one would question why he left the island he was with Mihawk with, as that was an opportunity to defeat him and claim the title. Except for that he is presented as a grumpy person, and this also persists for the entire series. Robin - main job fan service. She is an archaeologist who wants to find the lost history of the world of one piece. The problem with her is, although she is the only one who does not stray from her goal, this lost history part does not receive much attention in the series. It brings one to question what significance does it hold and why has it been lost. Usopp- is the proverbial coward of the series. His goal is to be the warrior of the sea. Question how can he be so, when for the entire series he does everything he can to avoid a battle? Franky - the mechanic. His goal is to be the engineer of the pirate king, in this case luffy, so he believes luffy will become pirate king and wants to be the person who built the ship used by a pirate king, similar to what his adopted father did for Gol D. Roger. in conclusion if you are a person that loves repetitive anime which does not have a story line at all, than one piece is definitely for you. JumpinJC said: Do you need some cheese?It's because of the cheesy animation, cheesy artstyle, cheesy humour, cheesy soundtrack, cheesy characters, and cheesy plot. |
AgafinJan 30, 2015 1:34 PM
Jan 30, 2015 10:35 AM
#586
OT: Jealousy probably plays the biggest role. One Piece has been the reigning king for quite a while now, and it's only natural that fans of other series would become jealous of the popularity. The haters may be loud, but apparently not big enough a force to do much. One Piece is still among the top 3 favourite anime (with the other 2 having much more members), and top 2 manga (same as above). The average of the two makes it the top favourite series with Death Note. |
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Jan 30, 2015 10:37 AM
#587
It's the same question: Why don't you like x food? It's so delicious to me. |
Jan 30, 2015 12:15 PM
#588
I don't necessarily hate it, but after Water 7 I pretty much lost interest, not that there was much interest to begin with though tbh... |
Jan 30, 2015 12:46 PM
#589
Agafin said: 12- Fanbase Its fanbase is unbelievably cancerous and even though that should normally not affect the enjoyment of viewers, it most definitely does. A good example being this thread where the fans of OP have bashed the living crap out of Bleach and Naruto as well as their repective mangaka and any person who criticises OP like that death threat on the first page. This makes some people to be negatively biased against One Piece. I laughed. One Piece fanbase is actually the best out of the big 3. Especially compared to Naruto shippers. |
Jan 30, 2015 1:13 PM
#590
RedRoseFring said: Dark_Chaos said: IntroverTurtle said: Dark_Chaos said: Now that's just factually wrong.There are many reasons, but I think the most notable reason is probably the fights that take as long as Dragon Ball Z if not longer. Sure as hell felt like it. I should know, having watched it along with Naruto and Bleach weekly over the years and re-watching Dragon Ball Z after College at a fairly slow pace too. Just as predictable as Dragon Ball Z too actually. The idiot protagonist gets sidelined for a while, while all his friends get beaten up until he somehow finds his way back to the big bad after 10 or so episodes. Let's see, that happens in 2 out of 24 arcs. Arlong Park and Skypiea. So, are you sure you were paying attention? Yeah, I was paying full attention. Why would I not? Are you implying that it's hard to pay attention to One Piece for some reason? :S |
Jan 30, 2015 1:17 PM
#591
I know a lot of people who hate it solely because the art isn't generic anime shit. |
Jan 30, 2015 1:19 PM
#592
Dark_Chaos said: RedRoseFring said: Dark_Chaos said: IntroverTurtle said: Dark_Chaos said: Now that's just factually wrong.There are many reasons, but I think the most notable reason is probably the fights that take as long as Dragon Ball Z if not longer. Sure as hell felt like it. I should know, having watched it along with Naruto and Bleach weekly over the years and re-watching Dragon Ball Z after College at a fairly slow pace too. Just as predictable as Dragon Ball Z too actually. The idiot protagonist gets sidelined for a while, while all his friends get beaten up until he somehow finds his way back to the big bad after 10 or so episodes. Let's see, that happens in 2 out of 24 arcs. Arlong Park and Skypiea. So, are you sure you were paying attention? Yeah, I was paying full attention. Why would I not? Are you implying that it's hard to pay attention to One Piece for some reason? :S Well, seeing as you made a completely false statement, I thought you must have either missed something, or it was 2deep4u. |
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Jan 30, 2015 1:24 PM
#593
RedRoseFring said: Dark_Chaos said: RedRoseFring said: Dark_Chaos said: IntroverTurtle said: Dark_Chaos said: Now that's just factually wrong.There are many reasons, but I think the most notable reason is probably the fights that take as long as Dragon Ball Z if not longer. Sure as hell felt like it. I should know, having watched it along with Naruto and Bleach weekly over the years and re-watching Dragon Ball Z after College at a fairly slow pace too. Just as predictable as Dragon Ball Z too actually. The idiot protagonist gets sidelined for a while, while all his friends get beaten up until he somehow finds his way back to the big bad after 10 or so episodes. Let's see, that happens in 2 out of 24 arcs. Arlong Park and Skypiea. So, are you sure you were paying attention? Yeah, I was paying full attention. Why would I not? Are you implying that it's hard to pay attention to One Piece for some reason? :S Well, seeing as you made a completely false statement, I thought you must have either missed something, or it was 2deep4u. I was watching it along with the other members of the big 3 and it felt incredibly slow in comparison. I was also watching Dragon Ball Z at the time too and it felt similarly paced. I would honestly like to see the length of the One Piece arcs compared to the length of the Dragon Ball Z arcs. Something tells me they aren't too far apart. |
Jan 30, 2015 1:25 PM
#594
Dark_Chaos said: He's talking about the second paragraph of your post.I was watching it along with the other members of the big 3 and it felt incredibly slow in comparison. I was also watching Dragon Ball Z at the time too and it felt similarly paced. I would honestly like to see the length of the One Piece arcs compared to the length of the Dragon Ball Z arcs. Something tells me they aren't too far apart. And pace isn't all about the size of the arc, it's about what happens in them. Even if they were similar in size One Piece usually has more things happening in an arc than DBZ does(which is usually focused on defeating one character). |
IntroverTurtleJan 30, 2015 1:28 PM
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Jan 30, 2015 1:30 PM
#595
Drunk_Samurai said: Agafin said: 12- Fanbase Its fanbase is unbelievably cancerous and even though that should normally not affect the enjoyment of viewers, it most definitely does. A good example being this thread where the fans of OP have bashed the living crap out of Bleach and Naruto as well as their repective mangaka and any person who criticises OP like that death threat on the first page. This makes some people to be negatively biased against One Piece. I laughed. One Piece fanbase is actually the best out of the big 3. Especially compared to Naruto shippers. How so? Naruto shippers are obnoxious but they are pretty much the only bad thing about the fanbase at the moment. The same can't be said for One Piece. Bleach's fanbase is the best. |
AgafinJan 30, 2015 1:35 PM
Jan 30, 2015 1:39 PM
#596
Agafin said: Drunk_Samurai said: Agafin said: 12- Fanbase Its fanbase is unbelievably cancerous and even though that should normally not affect the enjoyment of viewers, it most definitely does. A good example being this thread where the fans of OP have bashed the living crap out of Bleach and Naruto as well as their repective mangaka and any person who criticises OP like that death threat on the first page. This makes some people to be negatively biased against One Piece. I laughed. One Piece fanbase is actually the best out of the big 3. Especially compared to Naruto shippers. How so? Naruto shippers are obnoxious but they are pretty much the only bad thing about the fanbase at the moment. The same can't be said for One Piece. Bleach's fanbase is the best. Naruto fandom has always been the worst and not just shipping alone. Bleach fanbase was terrible during Hueco Mundo. |
Jan 30, 2015 1:47 PM
#597
Drunk_Samurai said: Agafin said: Drunk_Samurai said: Agafin said: 12- Fanbase Its fanbase is unbelievably cancerous and even though that should normally not affect the enjoyment of viewers, it most definitely does. A good example being this thread where the fans of OP have bashed the living crap out of Bleach and Naruto as well as their repective mangaka and any person who criticises OP like that death threat on the first page. This makes some people to be negatively biased against One Piece. I laughed. One Piece fanbase is actually the best out of the big 3. Especially compared to Naruto shippers. How so? Naruto shippers are obnoxious but they are pretty much the only bad thing about the fanbase at the moment. The same can't be said for One Piece. Bleach's fanbase is the best. Naruto fandom has always been the worst and not just shipping alone. Bleach fanbase was terrible during Hueco Mundo. It is simply a numbers game. More popular series would appear to have more obnoxious fans. The HxH subforum for example is pretty terrible, but outside of that, it is not popular enough to garner the same numbers. |
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Jan 30, 2015 2:02 PM
#598
IntroverTurtle said: Dark_Chaos said: He's talking about the second paragraph of your post.I was watching it along with the other members of the big 3 and it felt incredibly slow in comparison. I was also watching Dragon Ball Z at the time too and it felt similarly paced. I would honestly like to see the length of the One Piece arcs compared to the length of the Dragon Ball Z arcs. Something tells me they aren't too far apart. And pace isn't all about the size of the arc, it's about what happens in them. Even if they were similar in size One Piece usually has more things happening in an arc than DBZ does(which is usually focused on defeating one character). Ahh, I see. So I'm guessing he doesn't remember all the other times then, like when Luffy got stuck in a wall for a few episodes? Not the worst he's done mind you, I just remembered that particular scene because it's fairly recent! XD |
Jan 30, 2015 2:12 PM
#599
Dark_Chaos said: Maybe you're not remembering what you said yourself. Stuck somewhere, his crew is beaten, he gets out and finds the big bad within 10 episodes and presumably beats him. Is that correct? Which is not what happened in that situation. He got himself stuck and then got free while I believe all of his crew was not beaten by the time he got out, then he attacked, lost, and wasn't able to fight or beat him until the end of the arc. At least that's what I remember. So the friends getting beat up and him beating up the bad guy part of your formula were not achieved. IntroverTurtle said: Dark_Chaos said: I was watching it along with the other members of the big 3 and it felt incredibly slow in comparison. I was also watching Dragon Ball Z at the time too and it felt similarly paced. I would honestly like to see the length of the One Piece arcs compared to the length of the Dragon Ball Z arcs. Something tells me they aren't too far apart. And pace isn't all about the size of the arc, it's about what happens in them. Even if they were similar in size One Piece usually has more things happening in an arc than DBZ does(which is usually focused on defeating one character). Ahh, I see. So I'm guessing he doesn't remember all the other times then, like when Luffy got stuck in a wall for a few episodes? Not the worst he's done mind you, I just remembered that particular scene because it's fairly recent! XD Redrose is saying the only arcs where it happened that way were those two arcs he mentioned. |
IntroverTurtleJan 30, 2015 2:16 PM
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Jan 30, 2015 2:13 PM
#600
Where do I begin.... 1) The plot holes lately have been annoying as hell 2) The lack of a coherent story, the absence of character depth, everything is 1-dimensional as hell. The main character's plot which makes up about 90% of the show is the uninteresting part of the story, so by default you got 90% of nothing happening. So it's up to the remaining 10$ to try and somewhat compensate. 3) Thoughtlessness. There's no foreshadowing or foresight, the writer clearly writes as he goes. As evidenced by the characters and plot that could be discarded anytime. The absence of world building in such a fictional world with many opportunities is just a deal breaker for me. It used to be good, now it's nothing. I can't say any idea this show had was original. Everything is borrowed. It did not contribute to the industry in creative terms at all. Admittedly, these are all Oda's fault, but you can't say Toei's blameless with the abysmal pacing and all that animation. |
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Jan 30, 2015 2:40 PM
#601
IntroverTurtle said: Dark_Chaos said: Maybe you're not remembering what you said yourself. Stuck somewhere, his crew is beaten, he gets out and finds the big bad within 10 episodes and presumably beats him. Is that correct? Which is not what happened in that situation. He got himself stuck and then got free while I believe all of his crew was not beaten by the time he got out, then he attacked, lost, and wasn't able to fight or beat him until the end of the arc. At least that's what I remember. So the friends getting beat up and him beating up the bad guy part of your formula were not achieved. IntroverTurtle said: Dark_Chaos said: He's talking about the second paragraph of your post.I was watching it along with the other members of the big 3 and it felt incredibly slow in comparison. I was also watching Dragon Ball Z at the time too and it felt similarly paced. I would honestly like to see the length of the One Piece arcs compared to the length of the Dragon Ball Z arcs. Something tells me they aren't too far apart. And pace isn't all about the size of the arc, it's about what happens in them. Even if they were similar in size One Piece usually has more things happening in an arc than DBZ does(which is usually focused on defeating one character). Ahh, I see. So I'm guessing he doesn't remember all the other times then, like when Luffy got stuck in a wall for a few episodes? Not the worst he's done mind you, I just remembered that particular scene because it's fairly recent! XD Redrose is saying the only arcs where it happened that way were those two arcs he mentioned. It was close enough from what I remember. Of course, I could always go back and check if you'd like me to. |
Jan 30, 2015 3:01 PM
#602
Mikasa said: Where do I begin.... 1) The plot holes lately have been annoying as hell 2) The lack of a coherent story, the absence of character depth, everything is 1-dimensional as hell. The main character's plot which makes up about 90% of the show is the uninteresting part of the story, so by default you got 90% of nothing happening. So it's up to the remaining 10$ to try and somewhat compensate. 3) Thoughtlessness. There's no foreshadowing or foresight, the writer clearly writes as he goes. As evidenced by the characters and plot that could be discarded anytime. The absence of world building in such a fictional world with many opportunities is just a deal breaker for me. It used to be good, now it's nothing. I can't say any idea this show had was original. Everything is borrowed. It did not contribute to the industry in creative terms at all. Admittedly, these are all Oda's fault, but you can't say Toei's blameless with the abysmal pacing and all that animation. I know that this is a bait but well whatever. 1. Just because you didn't understand something doesn't make it a plothole by default. and I don't even know what plothole you're talking about. 2. Ton of buzzword put into one sentence without any particular meaning, not to mention how bad it were arranged. 3. "No foreshadowing" "No world building" I see, so this is the famous "Lack of nutritional balance disease". 4. It did not contribute to the creative industry? What? Now that's just pathetic considering how much influence One Piece gave to the industry of anime in Japan. and lastly, Yes it is Oda fault because he made the best selling manga of all time in Japan. |
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Jan 30, 2015 3:36 PM
#603
BangToyib said: Mikasa said: Where do I begin.... 1) The plot holes lately have been annoying as hell 2) The lack of a coherent story, the absence of character depth, everything is 1-dimensional as hell. The main character's plot which makes up about 90% of the show is the uninteresting part of the story, so by default you got 90% of nothing happening. So it's up to the remaining 10$ to try and somewhat compensate. 3) Thoughtlessness. There's no foreshadowing or foresight, the writer clearly writes as he goes. As evidenced by the characters and plot that could be discarded anytime. The absence of world building in such a fictional world with many opportunities is just a deal breaker for me. It used to be good, now it's nothing. I can't say any idea this show had was original. Everything is borrowed. It did not contribute to the industry in creative terms at all. Admittedly, these are all Oda's fault, but you can't say Toei's blameless with the abysmal pacing and all that animation. I know that this is a bait but well whatever. 1. Just because you didn't understand something doesn't make it a plothole by default. and I don't even know what plothole you're talking about. 2. Ton of buzzword put into one sentence without any particular meaning, not to mention how bad it were arranged. 3. "No foreshadowing" "No world building" I see, so this is the famous "Lack of nutritional balance disease". 4. It did not contribute to the creative industry? What? Now that's just pathetic considering how much influence One Piece gave to the industry of anime in Japan. and lastly, Yes it is Oda fault because he made the best selling manga of all time in Japan. If you think it's bait then it's best not to talk. This is self-contradiction stupidity. I mean your reasoning shows that a fish could be smarter when if it thought something is bait, it wouldn't go there. 1. Contradictions, defiance of logic, inconsistencies are all by definition plot holes. 2. Did not ask your opinion on how I word things. 3. Well yeah, this should have been OP's forte and is nutritionally lacking these basic elements. 4. I said in creative terms. Which it gave nothing. Your failure to provide anything, and resorting to sales, confirms it. |
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Jan 30, 2015 6:26 PM
#604
BangToyib said: Mikasa said: Where do I begin.... 1) The plot holes lately have been annoying as hell 2) The lack of a coherent story, the absence of character depth, everything is 1-dimensional as hell. The main character's plot which makes up about 90% of the show is the uninteresting part of the story, so by default you got 90% of nothing happening. So it's up to the remaining 10$ to try and somewhat compensate. 3) Thoughtlessness. There's no foreshadowing or foresight, the writer clearly writes as he goes. As evidenced by the characters and plot that could be discarded anytime. The absence of world building in such a fictional world with many opportunities is just a deal breaker for me. It used to be good, now it's nothing. I can't say any idea this show had was original. Everything is borrowed. It did not contribute to the industry in creative terms at all. Admittedly, these are all Oda's fault, but you can't say Toei's blameless with the abysmal pacing and all that animation. I know that this is a bait but well whatever. 1. Just because you didn't understand something doesn't make it a plothole by default. and I don't even know what plothole you're talking about. 2. Ton of buzzword put into one sentence without any particular meaning, not to mention how bad it were arranged. 3. "No foreshadowing" "No world building" I see, so this is the famous "Lack of nutritional balance disease". 4. It did not contribute to the creative industry? What? Now that's just pathetic considering how much influence One Piece gave to the industry of anime in Japan. and lastly, Yes it is Oda fault because he made the best selling manga of all time in Japan. Why? Why would you still bite? The best way to deal with it is to ignore it. Granted, the baiter is too dedicated to go away, but at least they don't get what they want. |
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Jan 31, 2015 12:32 AM
#605
RedRoseFring said: BangToyib said: Mikasa said: Where do I begin.... 1) The plot holes lately have been annoying as hell 2) The lack of a coherent story, the absence of character depth, everything is 1-dimensional as hell. The main character's plot which makes up about 90% of the show is the uninteresting part of the story, so by default you got 90% of nothing happening. So it's up to the remaining 10$ to try and somewhat compensate. 3) Thoughtlessness. There's no foreshadowing or foresight, the writer clearly writes as he goes. As evidenced by the characters and plot that could be discarded anytime. The absence of world building in such a fictional world with many opportunities is just a deal breaker for me. It used to be good, now it's nothing. I can't say any idea this show had was original. Everything is borrowed. It did not contribute to the industry in creative terms at all. Admittedly, these are all Oda's fault, but you can't say Toei's blameless with the abysmal pacing and all that animation. I know that this is a bait but well whatever. 1. Just because you didn't understand something doesn't make it a plothole by default. and I don't even know what plothole you're talking about. 2. Ton of buzzword put into one sentence without any particular meaning, not to mention how bad it were arranged. 3. "No foreshadowing" "No world building" I see, so this is the famous "Lack of nutritional balance disease". 4. It did not contribute to the creative industry? What? Now that's just pathetic considering how much influence One Piece gave to the industry of anime in Japan. and lastly, Yes it is Oda fault because he made the best selling manga of all time in Japan. Why? Why would you still bite? The best way to deal with it is to ignore it. Granted, the baiter is too dedicated to go away, but at least they don't get what they want. He actually believes everything he says though. He was proven wrong in the last thread about this anyway. Think that one got locked. |
Jan 31, 2015 7:16 AM
#606
Stythys said: I would like to explain it myself...but I'm lazy, so I'll have someone else do the work. http://www.baka-raptor.com/2009/08/01/three-strikes-for-one-piece/ I've actually read everything that was said in this page about one piece and I only have one thing to say: No one can say that One Piece sucks just by watching the first season of it (from episode 1 to 62) . Everything that was mentioned here was before the real adventure started. It was only the begining and in the rest of the series there are moments that are 100 times better than those in the begining. If someone watches at least 500 episodes through the series and still says it sucks, then I'll have no choice but to accept it (everyone has their likes and dislikes...) but if someone says that One Piece sucks the reason being that they didn't like the first season, I can't accept it... |
Jan 31, 2015 7:21 AM
#607
Stythys said: I would like to explain it myself...but I'm lazy, so I'll have someone else do the work. http://www.baka-raptor.com/2009/08/01/three-strikes-for-one-piece/ [/quote] "Why can’t Monkey D. Luffy be more like Gon Freecs?" Dude must be either drunk or high as a kite if he thinks that's something to wish about.... Ill take dumb as a brick Luffy over the blandness that is Gon any day of the week. |
Jan 31, 2015 7:30 AM
#608
Agafin said: [spoiler]It doesn't really have that much hate. According to its stats on this site, 0.7% of its members gave it a 1. There are numerous reasons I believe someone would hate One Piece: 1-The artstyle may not suit everybody since it's cartoonish. 2-The humour is not to everyone's taste since they are mostly the goofy type and may become repetitive. Sometimes a joke ruins an important moment (some of Sanji's fights) and sometimes a joke is made into a serious issue (again Sanji but this time his nosebleed). 3-Animation is really inconsistent and mosyly bad. 4-Pacing is unbelievably slow. Each episode has the content of 4 minutes of a normally paced episode mostly due to long recaps and padding. 5- Over-the-top expressions which may ruin some moments. 6-Fights are generally poorly choregraphed and the erarlier ones lack strategy.. 7-One Piece is also repetitive and predictable to some extent and some arcs are fomulaic. 8- One Piece is light hearted and some people just like dark and edgy stuff. 9-Asspulls, plot conveniences and plot armour galore. 10-Lack of focus with a bunch of fillerish events interspursed between the important ones. Edit: I've actually found two other reasons that fit here 11-Oversexualized female characters. The excessive fanservice Post TS is cringeworthy. 12-Little to no charatcre development. Other reasons which have nothing to do with the show itself are: 13- One Piece is massively popular in Japan and in terms of overall manga sales, it is the most popular worldwide. So this causes - hipsters to simply hate it because its mainstream. -Fans of other popular series to hate it out of sheer jealousy because their faves aren't as popular (for those who care about that). -Pseudo elitists will hate it to look cool. 14- Fanbase Its fanbase is unbelievably cancerous and even though that should normally not affect the enjoyment of viewers, it most definitely does. A good example being this thread where the fans of OP have bashed the living crap out of Bleach and Naruto as well as their repective mangaka and any person who criticises OP like that death threat on the first page. This makes some people to be negatively biased against One Piece. You can also check the reviews. http://myanimelist.net/anime/21/One_Piece/reviews The fifteenth review in particular gave it 1 which makes it surprising that it appeared on the first page but not so much when you notice that it is probably the most in depth out of them all and so gives you an insight into what people really dislike about it. [quote=UknwWhu's review] One piece follows the life of monkey d. luffy in his quest to become the pirate king. At the events in one piece are inspired by the death of the pirate king, Gol D. Roger. At the time of his execution by the navy, his last words started the great age of pirates. He informed the crowd of spectators, that included pirates and wannabe pirates, that the legendary treasure (which he had obtained) one-piece, was left in the legendary sea/ocean known as the grand line. The result of this was the beginning of pirate age, in which pirates from all forms of life and all parts of the world of one piece, search for the legendary treasure in order to achieve the status of being the pirate king. Monkey D. luffy along heads to the grand line with the object of finding the legendary treasure and becoming pirate king. He along starts his own crew of pirates which will be an aid to achieving his dream of becoming pirate king. His crew consists of: the 3 sword style swordsman roronoa zoro, the navigator nami, cook sanji, archaeologist Robin, doctor Choppa, mechanic Franky and Usopp. The world of one piece is divided into 3 forces. There are the pirates who were inspired by the words of Gol D. Roger, in their quest at finding the legendary treasure. The other forces are the antagonists of the series, which is the marines under Akainu. The last force in the series are the shichibukai, warlords with authority from the World government to pillage, though they owe an allegiance to the world government to combat pirates, even though they are pirates themselves. Fighting is a mainstay in the world of one piece. This is achieved by Devil fruits, which grant the person who eats them an ability. The ability could be for example fire. The ability granted to a person has some side effects though. A wielder of a devil fruity power is unable to swim. Their body becomes like a hammer when they are in the ocean. This has too be noted as a significant thing, as the world of one piece is made of at least 90% of water CRITICAL EVALUATION FROM THIS POINT ON THE STORY The premise for the making of the manga and anime was the whole story surrounding Gol D. Roger, the legendary pirate who inspired a generation of pirates to go to the sea and live out their dreams. All though this is correct and a certain point, for example the world of one piece is 90% water so its easy for the pirates to be claimed to be living their dreams and as can be seen in the series they enjoy a lot of freedoms when they are at the sea. The series deviates substantially though from the basic premise. Each and every arc of the series is not dedicated to divulging information on the whereabouts of the legendary treasure one-piece. Each arc has an independent story which is totally independent from the other arcs. The basis for each arc is repetitive. What will happen at the beginning of an arc, is that the would be some form of distress emanating from an island, which is always conveyed to our main protagonists, the straw-hat pirates. The distress would be the result usually of some pirates who are attacking a village or marines stationed in a particular island are causing problems for the local inhabitants. At this point one-piece will illustrate its intellectual bankruptcy. In the world of pirates, one is considered a pirate by the amount of pillaging and destruction they cause to law abiding citizens. But this is not the case with this anime. At this point of when the emergency has been relayed to the protagonists, the straw hat pirates. They will make it their mission to free the inhabitants of the island from the cause of their problems. This is an action which deviates substantially from what one would classify as typical pirate behavior. Our heroes will than have a feast at the end of the arc with the villagers after they have done away with the 'evil' guys. Each and every arc in this damn anime follows the same pattern In short the story of one piece does not tell the story of the search of the legendary treasure. It is a series of mini-stories similar to mushishi which are not related. As soon as an arc ends. A new one will start bearing no relationship to the previous one. Its the reason why some people have described one piece as one huge filler. WHAT ARE PIRATES ANYWAY? One piece fans always force the general folk to re-define what a pirate is. Sadly when one considers the amount of loss suffered by the music and other industries, we can all come to the conclusion that the classical definition of a pirates still remains. One piece is incredibly bipolar when it comes to its definition of a pirate. The creator has two forms of pirates: the classical and the one represented by the straw hat pirates. The classical pirates in one piece are all about pillaging and causing harm. This can be explained with the aid of Sir Crocodile. A pirate who forced the citizens of a nation to engage in a civil war so he, at the end of the war, can take the country and a secret weapon it yields for himself. The other version of a pirate is the one of monkey D. Luffy. He is a hero of the defenseless and the stupid (or mentally retarded if one is to be more precise). He is presented as one who yields the true spirit of being a pirate, adventure NOT pillaging. He goes out of his way to lecture each and every bad pirate he encounters on the moral duty to be a good pirate and be a role model to the kids. Luffy is not a pirate in the same manner naruto is not a ninja. Regardless of how the writer of the manga wants people to define him as. I prefer the term Salvation Army when Luffy and his crew of pirates come to mind. Why? Obviously there is a lack of pillaging and destruction of innocent peoples property in one-piece. There is no such thing as a good pirate. Anyone of that opinion needs to be psychologically assessed. PLOT SHIELD REPUBLIC Anime loves a good power up and one piece is no stranger too that. The name of the power up in this instance is the nakama concept. This in lamens terms can mean a friend. This is used especially by luffy when he is in a situation in which he is supposed to lose, but miraculously survives and beats his opponent. This concept is abused quite a lot, for example luffy said the same thing twice when he was killed by Sir Crocodile and came back to life each time. Except for the abuse of the concept of nakama. Luffy and his crew survive a host of situations in which they are supposed to die. The best of example is the skypea arc. In the fight against Enel, the entire crew was obliterated by lightning, but at the end of the fight they just dusted themselves up as if nothing had happened. All of the arcs are the same, our crew of protagonist just can't be killed even if the next was located in the sun, they would still survive and have enough time to have a feast with the locals. ART the least said about the art in one piece the better. One does tend to feel that the art was done when the creator was drunk or too be more precise, intoxication is what inspires the creator of one piece to draw his characters in a way in which even Tele-tubbies would find ridiculous. FIGHT SCENES Ridiculous fight scenes are abound. Blessed with the power up of nakama and plot shields. The formula for fighting in this anime is one in which every character tells his opponent how he is going to attacks him before he launches his attacks. And you know what? The stupid opponent will not dodge the attack. Why? I don't know, that is something that is beyond my intellect. POWERS Everyone in one piece has powers. Despite the presence of devil fruits. When one sits down and watches one piece, it becomes clear stating that some characters have devil fruit powers is something done for the sake of convenience. Every character has some form of ability. Examples, Nami can control the weather, Usopp Can bring plants to life just by shooting a seed, Coby can break a freaking gate with his bare hands etc etc etc. Use of the term devil fruit, is done in certain instances example if you were to have a fight scene close to the water, the writer would feel convenient at that point in time to refer their abilities as devil powers. CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT I will stick to the main characters, i.e the straw hat pirates as my I.Q has dropped by 75% from the writing this review Monkey D. Luffy - his the main protagonist of the series. He is the one who has the ambition of being a pirate king. Luffy is an incredibly annoying protagonist. His stupidity knows no bounds. His actions are usually the cause of an arc, yes I know I alluded to the emergency situation. At the beginning of each and every arc, Luffy will do something incredibly stupid that endangers the lives of his crew. Once the writer is sure that luffy's stupidity have left his crew mates in life threatening situations. Luffy will start spouting that nakama shit like militants do with that jihadist thing. In short, luffy will proclaim, after his friends are in danger because of his stupidity, that he will do everything in his power to save them. Yes, endanger peoples lives than proclaim you will risk life and limb to protect them, THAT IS SERIOUSLY STUPID. For 600 eps this pattern rears its ugly head. Even the death of his brother by his own hands (YES ACE DIED BECAUSE OF LUFFY'S STUPIDITY) does not cause any form of maturity in luffy's behavior. This is something you will experience time and time again when watching one piece. Nami - short and simple - her role in this anime is pure fan service.he goal is to draft a map of the entire world of onepiece, which is ridiculous as the map of one piece can be drafted without taking a tour of the planet. When she is first introduced, her chest was FLAT. Cue the time skip and she has become a porn star. Despite that her role is navigator the crew. She does not exhibit any other form of character development except for being the main cock teaser of the series. She also takes part in dumb fights, with villains she should lose to, but because they are distracted by her bra size or her stupidity in certain instances, she comes up top. Sanjii - is the cook and woman lover of the crew. His goal is to find the legendary sea all blue. But forget about that, he does not seem to be concerned about the whereabouts of the legendary sea all blue. He is potrayed as a lover of women, even though he does no ask any of them out FOR 600 EPS. His character does not change at all from the moment he is first introduced, except if one where to include the increasing volume of blood he loses from seeing a beautiful woman. If that is what dumb people call development. Choppa - for the kids. He is the doctor and mascot of the crew. His job along with Usopp's is to scream every time the is a powerful enemy or frightening. Except for that, he is just the doctor of the crew and his character does not develop, exception again if one includes the amount of cuteness the writer seems to include with every arc. Zoro - swordsman of the crew. He dreams of being the best swordsman in the world, in order to do that he needs to beat a man who wields the worlds longest butter knife. He does not stray too far from his goal, although one would question why he left the island he was with Mihawk with, as that was an opportunity to defeat him and claim the title. Except for that he is presented as a grumpy person, and this also persists for the entire series. Robin - main job fan service. She is an archaeologist who wants to find the lost history of the world of one piece. The problem with her is, although she is the only one who does not stray from her goal, this lost history part does not receive much attention in the series. It brings one to question what significance does it hold and why has it been lost. Usopp- is the proverbial coward of the series. His goal is to be the warrior of the sea. Question how can he be so, when for the entire series he does everything he can to avoid a battle? Franky - the mechanic. His goal is to be the engineer of the pirate king, in this case luffy, so he believes luffy will become pirate king and wants to be the person who built the ship used by a pirate king, similar to what his adopted father did for Gol D. Roger. in conclusion if you are a person that loves repetitive anime which does not have a story line at all, than one piece is definitely for you. JumpinJC said: Do you need some cheese?[/spoiler][/quote]It's because of the cheesy animation, cheesy artstyle, cheesy humour, cheesy soundtrack, cheesy characters, and cheesy plot. Great post. I wanted to share my 2cents, but you seriously covered everything there is to cover. That review is harsh, even if he brings a lot of well explained points. BangToyib said: 4. It did not contribute to the creative industry? What? Now that's just pathetic considering how much influence One Piece gave to the industry of anime in Japan. and lastly, Yes it is Oda fault because he made the best selling manga of all time in Japan. Umm, what influence? first reading about this, Using an ad populmn, a fallacy, damages whatever your argument is. |
Jan 31, 2015 8:31 AM
#609
BangToyib said: Mikasa said: Where do I begin.... 1) The plot holes lately have been annoying as hell 2) The lack of a coherent story, the absence of character depth, everything is 1-dimensional as hell. The main character's plot which makes up about 90% of the show is the uninteresting part of the story, so by default you got 90% of nothing happening. So it's up to the remaining 10$ to try and somewhat compensate. 3) Thoughtlessness. There's no foreshadowing or foresight, the writer clearly writes as he goes. As evidenced by the characters and plot that could be discarded anytime. The absence of world building in such a fictional world with many opportunities is just a deal breaker for me. It used to be good, now it's nothing. I can't say any idea this show had was original. Everything is borrowed. It did not contribute to the industry in creative terms at all. Admittedly, these are all Oda's fault, but you can't say Toei's blameless with the abysmal pacing and all that animation. I know that this is a bait but well whatever. It is bait. |
Jan 31, 2015 9:48 AM
#610
tsudecimo said: Great post. I wanted to share my 2cents, but you seriously covered everything there is to cover. That review is harsh, even if he brings a lot of well explained points. Wut? "The pirates aren't like pirates in the real world, therefore bad." "Each arc doesn't clammer to give every single detail of what the One Piece is, therefore bad." "I wasn't paying attention, so I missed why this character decided to do this, therefore bad." If those are "well-explained" points, we may as well add that reviewer to the hall of fame of logic with Mikasa. The lines we are looking for here are "that review was silly." There were much better ones like the one who rated it a 6 a couple of places above it who actually tries to explain using sense. Even some of the troll reviews were better. |
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