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Apr 14, 2014 10:05 PM
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Does Attack on Titan borrow things from Evangelion? (SnK manga/anime and NGE spoilers ahead) Now, before you call me a heretic for even considering the idea that Attack on Titan isn't 100% original, hear me out. I am in no way claiming that Attack on Titan is unoriginal and is a mere copy of Eva. Cause it's not. Attack on Titan is a brilliant anime and is in fact, pretty original. I am a devout SnK fan and think it is the most refreshing anime I've seen in a long time. I just happened to see many similarities with the ever so popular Neon Genesis Evangelion. With that out of the way, let me give you a brief summary of each of the anime's plots. Attack on Titan Known in Japan as Shingeki no Kyojin, many years ago, the last remnants of humanity were forced to retreat behind the towering walls of a fortified city to escape the massive, man-eating Titans that roamed the land outside their fortress. Only the heroic members of the Scouting Legion dared to stray beyond the safety of the walls – but even those brave warriors seldom returned alive. Those within the city clung to the illusion of a peaceful existence until the day that dream was shattered, and their slim chance at survival was reduced to one horrifying choice: kill – or be devoured! Neon Genesis Evangelion (TV Series) Evangelion is an apocalyptic anime in the mecha genre. The series is set in a futuristic Tokyo, fifteen years after a worldwide cataclysm. The main story centers around Shinji, a teenage boy who is recruited by the shadowy organization NERV to pilot a giant bio-machine called an Evangelion in combat against monstrous beings known as Angels. The series explores the experiences and emotions of other Evangelion pilots and members of NERV as they attempt to prevent another catastrophe. Doesn't sound too similar right? One is a survival-horror anime set in an alternate, medieval universe. The other is a psychological-mecha anime set in a futuristic Japan. But the similarities are more obvious than one would think. 1.) PLOT In Attack on Titan humanity is giving their best efforts to stop the titans from breaching through their three walls, which would result in humanities extinction. In Neon Genesis Evangelion an organization known as NERV give their best efforts to stop the Angels from breaching Central Dogma, which would result in humanities extinction. Both are mysterious, seem to have this overarching plot always weighing overhead, and always makes you ask a bunch more questions immediately after 1 is answered. -Where did the Angels/Titans come from? -Why do they want humanity to be destroyed? -Why can certain people control these Angels/Titans? 2.) TITANS AND EVAS In Attack on Titan, main protagonist Eren Jaeger gains the ability to transform into a Titan, he then uses this form to combat the other Titans, usually protecting Humanity. -(Use Titans to fight Titans) -It is revealed in the manga that Titans have an extremely similar DNA to that of humans. (Not to mention the concept of transforming into a Titan is similar to the concept of piloting a Mech.) In Neon Genesis Evangelion, main protagonist Shinji Ikari must pilot an Evangelion, which is later revealed to be an Angel, to combat the other Angels, usually protecting Humanity. -(Use Angels to fight Angels) -It is later revealed that the Angels also have very similar DNA to that of humans. 3.) CHARACTERS This is a weaker part of my argument but bear with me. Rei and Mikasa What these two female characters have in common is very obvious. -Both are the silent, semi-emotionless character -Both care deeply for our main protagonists -Both are total badasses. -Although, Mikasa shows emotion far more than Rei and is more than Rei clone, obviously. Asuka and Eren While Eren is the main protagonist in SnK and Asuka isn't a main protagonist in NGE, there is a few similarities. (Not very good ones admittedly.) -Both Asuka and Eren are the hot-headed, "The louder I scream the more powerful my attack." kind of characters. -Both witness their mother's death. Yeah, that's about it. To be fair this kind of character is pretty common in anime and both are far more complex and in different ways. Shinji and Armin -Both bitch a lot. -Both feel like a burden to others. To be fair to both sides, Shinji has some pretty legitimate reasons for his whining and Armin gets more confidence as the story goes on. Shinji and Eren -Both Shinji and Eren witness their mother's death -Both appear to have daddy issues -Both fathers are mysterious and seem like they have something to do with the Angels/Titans -Both fathers give their children their way of fighting the Angels/Titans (By giving/making them an Angel/Titan) -Both yell and scream. A lot. -Both are loved by a sexy, silent friend. That concludes most of the similarities I found between these two anime. Please remember that I am a huge fan of both series and that I am not saying Attack on Titan copied Evangelion. Evangelion is one of the most influential anime ever created and was a huge success, so it's no surprise SOME similarities would arise. (Serial Experiments Lain was heavily influenced by Evangelion, but it's both a great and original anime too) This post was made solely for debate and discussion for those who may agree with me and those who don't. My opinions are my own and do not affect you. So what do you think? -Evangelion had no influence on Attack on Titan and I'm comparing two entirely different things. -Evangelion had some influence on Attack on Titan, but Attack on Titan is still a great and original anime. (Where I stand on the subject) -Attack on Titan is simply an Evangelion clone. -Or perhaps something entirely different |
DiC3EpicApr 14, 2014 10:11 PM
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Apr 14, 2014 10:15 PM
#3
...... ...... I'm trying to come up with something... But... |
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Apr 14, 2014 10:22 PM
#4
Here's the only thing you need to know. NGE has Asuka and SnK doesn't. |
Apr 14, 2014 10:26 PM
#5
So what's your point? |
Apr 14, 2014 10:27 PM
#6
I'm simply asking for your opinion on what I posted above. |
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Apr 14, 2014 10:28 PM
#7
Well, if I can make a comparison in characters, I'd say: Armin - Shinji (Both are pussies) Mikasa - Rei (Both are stones) Eren - Asuka (Both have superiority complex/bitches) |
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Apr 14, 2014 10:28 PM
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Apr 14, 2014 10:29 PM
#9
Comparison of... One of the most iconic "mecha" of all time. (Mecha is quoted for obvious reason) and A shounen about slaying titans... Shinji Ikari, a complex kid whose mental state is unstable due to his upbringing... and Eren Yeager, whose whole existence can be explain with "Imma friggin kill you titans" Asuka Langley, a "strong" girl. So friggin "strong"... and A badass whose whole existence can be explain with "badass with an unhealthy crush" Angels... and Titans... I'm barely on the surface of things, and I'm already overwhelmed by what I'm trying to compare.. Sorry, I cannot follow, I'll bow out now. EDIT: Maybe I should ask the question that all of us are wondering... "OP, what were you smoking when you found the two to be even remotely similar? EDIT2 : Whatever it is, I want one! |
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Apr 14, 2014 10:29 PM
#10
Oh dear. Alright, you've made parallels in some character background and setup elements, but it's stretching things. Like, quite a bit. I can see a few tangents between the two, but not enough to say that they're alike. Evangelion was a visual representation of a mental breakdown, whereas Titan is a survival-horror that became a kill-'em-all fest. Evangelion starts off as a monster-of-the-weak mecha and became dramatic and depressing as it went on before going all "congratulations" on us. Titan starts off with carnage, introduces Teen Titans, and proceeds to demolish everything breakable. Evangelion's mystery seemed to derive from either Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End, or merely from the development team being in complete disarray at the time of writing. The mystery of Titan is from the lack of information, or perhaps it's explained in the manga or something. If you like one or both, all the more to ya, but in comparing them, I'm not seeing it. |
Apr 14, 2014 10:41 PM
#11
Flume said: JustALEX said: Here's the only thing you need to know. NGE has Asuka and SnK doesn't. and SnK has Annie while NGE doesn't. Who the fuck is Annie? Asuka is known worldwide. |
Apr 14, 2014 10:42 PM
#12
DiC3Epic said: I'm simply asking for your opinion on what I posted above. It's superfluous at best. So you found a (very small, considering the huge wall of text) number of vague similarities between 2 popular action shows. While ignoring the (staggering by comparison) number of differences between them. I could compile a longer and more compelling list using almost any two shows. Do you realize that virtually all of the similarities you found are common tropes in anime? There's nothing to debate or discuss. |
Apr 14, 2014 10:47 PM
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Apr 14, 2014 10:48 PM
#15
at least it isn't a dead end topic...? |
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Apr 14, 2014 10:59 PM
#16
Cool Biomechas vs Naked ass giant humans. Yup. Very similar. |
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Apr 14, 2014 10:59 PM
#17
antonn said: I think this comparison is better. AHAHAHHA That's amazing. |
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Apr 14, 2014 10:59 PM
#18
skyzblue said: Cool Biomechas vs Naked ass giant humans. Yup. Very similar. Both are big |
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Apr 14, 2014 11:03 PM
#19
Casval said: skyzblue said: Cool Biomechas vs Naked ass giant humans. Yup. Very similar. Both are big And Blue Flames is so puny. huehuehue |
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Apr 14, 2014 11:06 PM
#20
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Apr 14, 2014 11:07 PM
#21
skyzblue said: DONT JUDGE THINGS YOU HAVENT SEEN Casval said: skyzblue said: Cool Biomechas vs Naked ass giant humans. Yup. Very similar. Both are big And Blue Flames is so puny. huehuehue BLUE FLAMES IS A MASTERPIECE |
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Apr 14, 2014 11:13 PM
#22
-It is later revealed that the Angels also have very similar DNA to that of humans. This isn't fully accurate. Either way EVA didn't influence AoT (or at least I don't think so). Mikasa, Rei, Asuka etc are all archetypes from long ago. To be honest, I think AoT could actually focus a bit more on the psychological aspect of it. You'd think the recon corps would have a high suicide/insanity rate after what they witness almost every other team they go outside. I think you should spoiler tag most of the stuff there to be honest or at least put it in the thread title. |
Apr 14, 2014 11:18 PM
#23
skudoops said: -It is later revealed that the Angels also have very similar DNA to that of humans. This isn't fully accurate. Either way EVA didn't influence AoT (or at least I don't think so). Mikasa, Rei, Asuka etc are all archetypes from long ago. To be honest, I think AoT could actually focus a bit more on the psychological aspect of it. You'd think the recon corps would have a high suicide/insanity rate after what they witness almost every other team they go outside. I think you should spoiler tag most of the stuff there to be honest or at least put it in the thread title. In my defense, I'm new to this site and I did put a spoiler warning at the start of my post |
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Apr 14, 2014 11:21 PM
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Apr 14, 2014 11:40 PM
#25
yes, AoT is heavily inspired from evangelion, and it's made for the impressionable new generation who has no time for 90's mecha |
Apr 14, 2014 11:58 PM
#26
JustALEX said: Here's the only thing you need to know. NGE has Asuka and SnK doesn't. That makes SnK 100% less bitchy. |
Apr 15, 2014 12:01 AM
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Apr 15, 2014 12:02 AM
#28
big things attack people? holy fuck, gainax should sue. right? |
Apr 15, 2014 12:04 AM
#29
AzuStar said: antonn said: I think this comparison is better. aaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnndddddddddddddddd /thread That is epic. I always said the dual-wielding was a little suspicious. |
Apr 15, 2014 12:06 AM
#30
Lanvidia said: JustALEX said: Here's the only thing you need to know. NGE has Asuka and SnK doesn't. That makes SnK 100% less bitchy. Pfft....Eren alone is more bitchy than Asuka could ever be. Also....Asuka + dat plugsuit....game over folks. |
Apr 15, 2014 12:13 AM
#31
Your strongest point is the plot and even then it isn't much to say that one influenced the other. I'm sure Eva has influenced hundreds of shows in one way or another but that doesn't say much about SnK borrowing from Eva, personally I find nothing similar between the two. Shinji>>>>Eren Asuka>>>>>Mikasa Any other person in the cast>>>>>>Armin |
Apr 15, 2014 1:49 AM
#32
OmegaGoku said: Shinji<<<<Eren As much as I love Eva, I think Shinji would never have as much balls as Eren. So, uhhh, fixed? |
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Apr 15, 2014 4:01 AM
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Apr 15, 2014 4:03 AM
#36
ran614 said: OmegaGoku said: Shinji<<<<Eren As much as I love Eva, I think Shinji would never have as much balls as Eren. So, uhhh, fixed? So to you... Size of one's balls = quality of one's character huh? Users of this forum gets more and more amusing with each passing year. |
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Apr 15, 2014 4:48 AM
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Won the fucking Internet you mean. |
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Apr 15, 2014 4:56 AM
#38
I think the craziest thing he said is that attack on titan is unique. Every thing attack on titan has done has been done before. |
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Apr 15, 2014 4:57 AM
#39
Sapewloth said: Won the fucking Internet you mean. That got me. |
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Apr 15, 2014 4:58 AM
#40
AirStyles said: ran614 said: OmegaGoku said: Shinji<<<<Eren As much as I love Eva, I think Shinji would never have as much balls as Eren. So, uhhh, fixed? So to you... Size of one's balls = quality of one's character huh? Users of this forum gets more and more amusing with each passing year. I didn't mean literally. LOL |
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Apr 15, 2014 12:05 PM
#41
You are missleaded. Just look at them. One is deeply philosophical with heavy-symbolic plot, credible characters and hidden meaning. But the other one is shounen aimed at teenagers about formulatic kids fighting some stupid Angels. |
Apr 15, 2014 12:28 PM
#42
DiC3Epic said: Does Attack on Titan borrow things from Evangelion? (SnK manga/anime and NGE spoilers ahead) Now, before you call me a heretic for even considering the idea that Attack on Titan isn't 100% original, hear me out. I am in no way claiming that Attack on Titan is unoriginal and is a mere copy of Eva. Cause it's not. Attack on Titan is a brilliant anime and is in fact, pretty original. I am a devout SnK fan and think it is the most refreshing anime I've seen in a long time. I just happened to see many similarities with the ever so popular Neon Genesis Evangelion. With that out of the way, let me give you a brief summary of each of the anime's plots. Attack on Titan Known in Japan as Shingeki no Kyojin, many years ago, the last remnants of humanity were forced to retreat behind the towering walls of a fortified city to escape the massive, man-eating Titans that roamed the land outside their fortress. Only the heroic members of the Scouting Legion dared to stray beyond the safety of the walls – but even those brave warriors seldom returned alive. Those within the city clung to the illusion of a peaceful existence until the day that dream was shattered, and their slim chance at survival was reduced to one horrifying choice: kill – or be devoured! Neon Genesis Evangelion (TV Series) Evangelion is an apocalyptic anime in the mecha genre. The series is set in a futuristic Tokyo, fifteen years after a worldwide cataclysm. The main story centers around Shinji, a teenage boy who is recruited by the shadowy organization NERV to pilot a giant bio-machine called an Evangelion in combat against monstrous beings known as Angels. The series explores the experiences and emotions of other Evangelion pilots and members of NERV as they attempt to prevent another catastrophe. Doesn't sound too similar right? One is a survival-horror anime set in an alternate, medieval universe. The other is a psychological-mecha anime set in a futuristic Japan. But the similarities are more obvious than one would think. 1.) PLOT In Attack on Titan humanity is giving their best efforts to stop the titans from breaching through their three walls, which would result in humanities extinction. In Neon Genesis Evangelion an organization known as NERV give their best efforts to stop the Angels from breaching Central Dogma, which would result in humanities extinction. Both are mysterious, seem to have this overarching plot always weighing overhead, and always makes you ask a bunch more questions immediately after 1 is answered. -Where did the Angels/Titans come from? -Why do they want humanity to be destroyed? -Why can certain people control these Angels/Titans? 2.) TITANS AND EVAS In Attack on Titan, main protagonist Eren Jaeger gains the ability to transform into a Titan, he then uses this form to combat the other Titans, usually protecting Humanity. -(Use Titans to fight Titans) -It is revealed in the manga that Titans have an extremely similar DNA to that of humans. (Not to mention the concept of transforming into a Titan is similar to the concept of piloting a Mech.) In Neon Genesis Evangelion, main protagonist Shinji Ikari must pilot an Evangelion, which is later revealed to be an Angel, to combat the other Angels, usually protecting Humanity. -(Use Angels to fight Angels) -It is later revealed that the Angels also have very similar DNA to that of humans. 3.) CHARACTERS This is a weaker part of my argument but bear with me. Rei and Mikasa What these two female characters have in common is very obvious. -Both are the silent, semi-emotionless character -Both care deeply for our main protagonists -Both are total badasses. -Although, Mikasa shows emotion far more than Rei and is more than Rei clone, obviously. Asuka and Eren While Eren is the main protagonist in SnK and Asuka isn't a main protagonist in NGE, there is a few similarities. (Not very good ones admittedly.) -Both Asuka and Eren are the hot-headed, "The louder I scream the more powerful my attack." kind of characters. -Both witness their mother's death. Yeah, that's about it. To be fair this kind of character is pretty common in anime and both are far more complex and in different ways. Shinji and Armin -Both bitch a lot. -Both feel like a burden to others. To be fair to both sides, Shinji has some pretty legitimate reasons for his whining and Armin gets more confidence as the story goes on. Shinji and Eren -Both Shinji and Eren witness their mother's death -Both appear to have daddy issues -Both fathers are mysterious and seem like they have something to do with the Angels/Titans -Both fathers give their children their way of fighting the Angels/Titans (By giving/making them an Angel/Titan) -Both yell and scream. A lot. -Both are loved by a sexy, silent friend. That concludes most of the similarities I found between these two anime. Please remember that I am a huge fan of both series and that I am not saying Attack on Titan copied Evangelion. Evangelion is one of the most influential anime ever created and was a huge success, so it's no surprise SOME similarities would arise. (Serial Experiments Lain was heavily influenced by Evangelion, but it's both a great and original anime too) This post was made solely for debate and discussion for those who may agree with me and those who don't. My opinions are my own and do not affect you. So what do you think? -Evangelion had no influence on Attack on Titan and I'm comparing two entirely different things. -Evangelion had some influence on Attack on Titan, but Attack on Titan is still a great and original anime. (Where I stand on the subject) -Attack on Titan is simply an Evangelion clone. -Or perhaps something entirely different Masterful trolling. I applaud. |
Apr 15, 2014 12:36 PM
#43
SNK is more like Naruto than Evangelion if anything. |
Apr 15, 2014 3:08 PM
#44
plot is definetly similar. never though about that but now I see you're right in so many points. ahh and I though AOT was original work... but titan is basically biomecha. I guess manga writers just can't make anything original by themselves and all they can do is steal ideas from previous shows. makes me want to quit anime.... |
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Apr 15, 2014 7:21 PM
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Apr 15, 2014 10:19 PM
#48
JustALEX said: Here's the only thing you need to know. NGE has Asuka and SnK doesn't. Truth. The only female character that's even close to being waifu material in Attack on Titan is Sasha. |
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