SOUTH EUCLID, Ohio — An unusual sentence for an unusual bullying case in South Euclid. “This was not a garden variety neighbor dispute,” said Judge Gayle Williams-Byers, South Euclid Municipal Court judge. Williams-Byers ordered Edmond Aviv, 62, to stand outside on Sunday with a sign. “It will read, ‘I am a bully! I pick on children that are disabled, and I am intolerant of those that are different from myself,” said the judge. http://fox8.com/2014/04/10/i-am-a-bully-man-ordered-to-hold-sign-for-bullying-neighbors/ If you push hard enough, then all that crap you dish out - will come swinging right back at you. For more - just watch the video. |
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| Fuck whether the man is a bully or not, I'm outraged that the judge can order such a thing. Surely that sentence is voluntary? There is a reason that standardized punishments like fines and prison terms exist, for fuck's sake. |
Sweet_LoveApr 10, 2014 7:47 PM
| Yeah that's kind of a weird thing for a judge to order someone to do. In all honesty it doesn't really solve the problem either, it just makes it worse and turns everyone in the community into a bully against that guy. |
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| I think there have been other cases where they had the person hold a sign outside saying they were a thief and other things like that. I don't really have an opinion on that sort of punishment. |
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Sweet_Love said: Fuck whether the man is a bully or not, I'm outraged that the judge can order such a thing. Surely that sentence is voluntary? There is a reason that standardized punishments like fines and prison terms exist, for fuck's sake. Why? This is a wonderful form of punishment. It doesn't harm or take time out of the kid's life and the kid learns that bullying is wrong. Fines and prison terms take away unnecessarily large amounts of money, money a person might need to survive. Prison takes time out of people's lives and costs the government money. DerpHole said: Yeah that's kind of a weird thing for a judge to order someone to do. In all honesty it doesn't really solve the problem either, it just makes it worse and turns everyone in the community into a bully against that guy. I doubt many people will actually care all that much. |
Battlechili1 said: It's a 62 year old man who was filling their house with with gasoline fumes, calling the disabled kids names and spitting on them, putting dog poop on their car, and kicking their balls to where they can't get it.Why? This is a wonderful form of punishment. It doesn't harm or take time out of the kid's life and the kid learns that bullying is wrong. Fines and prison terms take away unnecessarily large amounts of money, money a person might need to survive. Prison takes time out of people's lives and costs the government money. |
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Battlechili1 said: Fines and prison terms take away unnecessarily large amounts of money, money a person might need to survive. Prison takes time out of people's lives Wow, who would have thought punishment for crimes included CONSEQUENCES. |
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IntroverTurtle said: It's a 62 year old man who was filling their house with with gasoline fumes, calling the disabled kids names and spitting on them, putting dog poop on their car, and kicking their balls to where they can't get it. Eh, all of his feelings and opinions are ingrained at 62. He isn't gonna learn anything from this punishment lol. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Battlechili1 said: It's a 62 year old man who was filling their house with with gasoline fumes, calling the disabled kids names and spitting on them, putting dog poop on their car, and kicking their balls to where they can't get it.Why? This is a wonderful form of punishment. It doesn't harm or take time out of the kid's life and the kid learns that bullying is wrong. Fines and prison terms take away unnecessarily large amounts of money, money a person might need to survive. Prison takes time out of people's lives and costs the government money. I take back what I said. Prison sounds like a pretty good idea. |
IntroverTurtle said: I think there have been other cases where they had the person hold a sign outside saying they were a thief and other things like that. I don't really have an opinion on that sort of punishment. It's simple: |
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Heredity said: so, what does this achieve? it's just going to make him grumpier and stuff. Let him get grumpier. He should think twice about doing more harassment. |
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KyuuAL said: Heredity said: so, what does this achieve? it's just going to make him grumpier and stuff. Let him get grumpier. He should think twice about doing more harassment. Why? So he won't have to hold a sign again? Wow, scary stuff. This is what we've told him is the consequence of doing what he did. We have a judicial system and laws in place so that people are deterred from committing crimes as well as reform them if they do. However, this old guy got neither of those - he got shown that the consequences for what he did are essentially nothing whatsoever and now has no reason to fear repeated offenses. "But if he does it again they will" - he already probably scarred these kids and this family, should he really be allowed to do it twice before something real happens? I don't get your statement in the OP either - about how if you dish shit out it comes back to you. What came back to him? Again, his punishment was nonexistent, barely even considerable as a slap on the wrist in the IMPORTANT parts you left out of your post (he was imprisoned for 15 days as well as has 100 hours of community service), albeit even including them it's still nothing. |
TallonKarrde23Apr 11, 2014 2:33 AM
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| what if a bunch of retards came by in a lowrider and kicked his ass |
DEMOLITION_D said: what if a bunch of retards came by in a lowrider and kicked his ass They'd go to prison for assault and he would be hospitalized and thus incapable of fulfilling his oh-so-hefty punishment of holding a sign. |
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Aylaine said: TallonKarrde23 said: DEMOLITION_D said: what if a bunch of retards came by in a lowrider and kicked his ass They'd go to prison for assault and he would be hospitalized and thus incapable of fulfilling his oh-so-hefty punishment of holding a sign. Although unstated here, he was also sentenced to 15 days in jail. So that's something too. Do you have to reply to me by repeating what I've said already and ignoring me having said it so often? This is twice in the same day, come on. TallonKarrde23 said: I don't get your statement in the OP either - about how if you dish shit out it comes back to you. What came back to him? Again, his punishment was nonexistent, barely even considerable as a slap on the wrist in the IMPORTANT parts you left out of your post (he was imprisoned for 15 days as well as has 100 hours of community service), albeit even including them it's still nothing.. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: I don't get your statement in the OP either - about how if you dish shit out it comes back to you. What came back to him? There's a general principle and unwritten rule that says: "Treat others, the way you want to be treated." Well, by being a nasty asshole who harasses his neighbors -- he's getting what he asked for. Also, it shows that the very people whom he harasses has enough power to fight back the bullying. So, he may very well think again before he decides to harass them. Of course, if you want a harsher punishment brought onto this guy, then you'll just have to wait till said person commits a harsher crime. Yea, I hate to say that... but that's how it works. TallonKarrde23 said: Again, his punishment was nonexistent, barely even considerable as a slap on the wrist in the IMPORTANT parts you left out of your post (he was imprisoned for 15 days as well as has 100 hours of community service), albeit even including them it's still nothing. Why do you think I provide links to these stories? You expect me to copy-paste the whole thing? Or, should I take greater effort of selective reading and pick parts that you might want to read - without clicking the link? |
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KyuuAL said: TallonKarrde23 said: I don't get your statement in the OP either - about how if you dish shit out it comes back to you. What came back to him? There's a general principle and unwritten rule that says: "Treat others, the way you want to be treated." Well, by being a nasty asshole who harasses his neighbors -- he's getting what he asked for. Also, it shows that the very people whom he harasses has enough power to fight back the bullying. So, he may very well think again before he decides to harass them. Of course, if you want a harsher punishment brought onto this guy, then you'll just have to wait till said person commits a harsher crime. Yea, I hate to say that... but that's how it works. TallonKarrde23 said: Again, his punishment was nonexistent, barely even considerable as a slap on the wrist in the IMPORTANT parts you left out of your post (he was imprisoned for 15 days as well as has 100 hours of community service), albeit even including them it's still nothing. Why do you think I provide links to these stories? You expect me to copy-paste the whole thing? Or, should I take greater effort of selective reading and pick parts that you might want to read - without clicking the link? I think the full punishment was extremely relevant to your thread's point and purpose, so you should have included that. You don't need to copy paste the full article (it's better if you don't) - but you should include the very relevant bits like that for sure. As for the top part about committing a harsher crime...what he did would, under normal circumstances, constitute much harsher penalties than he got. He got extremely lucky for some reason, but this is not the typical punishment for ongoing serious harassment and psychological damage. I agree that some of it is not so illegal that a larger penalty be put into place - and just "bullying" - such as spitting on things or kicking balls away, however things like filling their house with gas/smoke and such could have hospitalized someone and much of it counts as serious vandalism. He's being punished as if he's an 8 year old, not an adult who has genuinely harassed disabled kids and the family. Though, admittedly, the easiest answer would be a lawsuit - not trying to get him punished by prison time, but with money. There's no way they can't sue him for all the shit he did. Hell, putting poop on someone's car is already grounds for a lawsuit of a fairly hefty sum due to all the damage you can claim it did to the paint, let alone everything else he did - especially the psychological harassment to the kids. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: I think the full punishment was extremely relevant to your thread's point and purpose, so you should have included that. You don't need to copy paste the full article (it's better if you don't) - but you should include the very relevant bits like that for sure. I don't see you making threads here; and instead, you come and bitch at me for how I do things. What am I? A mod?! LOL. Here's another thing about my posts and threads like this: I'll pick and choose to highlight what I wish - and/or deem to be relevant. For this thread, I choose to do the former. Normally, I simply pick out the first paragraph or two. If I really see something else to bring out later in the article, I'll pull that out too. And yea, I read the whole prison part as well -- I simply laughed. Again, I post the links so that (a) the thread isn't all made up and (b) for your reading pleasure. I've never seen anyone bitch about someone's posting habit as much as you do. TallonKarrde23 said: Though, admittedly, the easiest answer would be a lawsuit - not trying to get him punished by prison time, but with money. There's no way they can't sue him for all the shit he did. Hell, putting poop on someone's car is already grounds for a lawsuit of a fairly hefty sum due to all the damage you can claim it did to the paint, let alone everything else he did - especially the psychological harassment to the kids. I'm going to presume -- that the neighbors weren't too keen on the idea of the lawyer fees. Imagine if they had lost. Part of me had looked into a lawsuit due to a neighbor unwilling to put up a share to fix a broken water pipe. Living in a townhouse, the said pipe runs right in between townhouse units, so it wasn't 100% clear on who "owns" it. Oh well, we yucked it up and got the job done. I suppose instead, the neighbors pressed charges, which is a much cheaper option - but would warrant some kind of lesser penalty, given this situation. |
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KyuuAL said: TallonKarrde23 said: I think the full punishment was extremely relevant to your thread's point and purpose, so you should have included that. You don't need to copy paste the full article (it's better if you don't) - but you should include the very relevant bits like that for sure. I don't see you making threads here; and instead, you come and bitch at me for how I do things. What am I? A mod?! LOL. Here's another thing about my posts and threads like this: I'll pick and choose to highlight what I wish - and/or deem to be relevant. For this thread, I choose to do the former. Normally, I simply pick out the first paragraph or two. If I really see something else to bring out later in the article, I'll pull that out too. And yea, I read the whole prison part as well -- I simply laughed. Again, I post the links so that (a) the thread isn't all made up and (b) for your reading pleasure. I've never seen anyone bitch about someone's posting habit as much as you do. You asked me my opinion, bro. KyuuAL said: You expect me to copy-paste the whole thing? Or, should I take greater effort of selective reading and pick parts that you might want to read - without clicking the link? |
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TallonKarrde23 said: especially the psychological harassment to the kids. Oh, one more thing: the kids got to witness and see some bit of justice done, even if it is minor from our viewpoint. |
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IntroverTurtle said: I remember one case where a guy was being ignored by a woman at a bar when he was trying to hit on her. Long story short he beat the shit out of her, and she chose to not charge him as long as he held up a sign saying "I beat women".I think there have been other cases where they had the person hold a sign outside saying they were a thief and other things like that. I don't really have an opinion on that sort of punishment. |
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Minagatachi said: IntroverTurtle said: I remember one case where a guy was being ignored by a woman at a bar when he was trying to hit on her. Long story short he beat the shit out of her, and she chose to not charge him as long as he held up a sign saying "I beat women".I think there have been other cases where they had the person hold a sign outside saying they were a thief and other things like that. I don't really have an opinion on that sort of punishment. Make him hold that sign up in a biker or military Bar. The Patrons for the most will beat him, or look guilty depends on the location and unit really. |
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