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LazyLuong said:
In some sense, it is. But to avoid turning their MC into a gary stu character, flaws are often added to the character as imperfections, as well as rich background story explaining how they came to be, and other flaws and disadvantages.

In the end, it's really now noticeable it is to the reader.

Basically Gary Stu be a super OP and perfect character thats OP and perfect for no reason? Ya that make sense.

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LazyLuong said:
In some sense, it is. But to avoid turning their MC into a gary stu character, flaws are often added to the character as imperfections, as well as rich background story explaining how they came to be, and other flaws and disadvantages.

In the end, it's really now noticeable it is to the reader.

Basically Gary Stu be a super OP and perfect character thats OP and perfect for no reason? Ya that make sense.

Not quite. First a little history, the original use of Stu was not for male characters, but for female character called "Mary Sue", so OP is not necessarily a trait, though some form of "perfect" is generally (the link below gives a great example of a Stu from Star Trek).

Basically the Stu character is the personification of traits the author considers good and just, and as such cannot believe that anyone could possibly have issues with.

This is why I defined it as "automatic universal admiration the character has from everyone in the story," because that is the trait I think both shows that the writer doesn't realize what they are doing and something that is the easiest for the readers to identify (one can put up with a OP lead if the story is good, but an OP that every character gushes about really becomes annoying very quickly).

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Ah ok that make lot more sense, well leave it to the internet to throw words w/o understanding what they mean =X

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Basically, Tatsuya started with max stats (battle attributes) since episode 1. heck, even he still in sealed form. If he started weaker then getting stronger after time, he could avoided the Gary Stu label(OP) on term of his strength. Yet, his "no emotion" personality actually make it worse.
Miyuki not exaggerating about Tatsuya never lose in true fight because he actually really never lost in true fight so far.
And, Tatsuya also mostly will get what he want if he try.
Yes, he is not a full Gary Stu. But, we actually can't fully denied he is Gary Stu either.
He just too plain in character even his flaws not help his characterization to the extent the story need other characters to make it up Tatsuya's plain personality.

Apr 18, 2014 7:26 PM

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MShukyDeneuve said:
But, we actually can't fully denied he is Gary Stu either....He just too plain in character.

Your second statement contradicts the first statement. A "too plain" character cannot be a "Gary Stu" character. The whole point of a "Gary Stu" or "Mary Sue" is how gosh incredible they are supposed to be.

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I don't think "automatic universal admiration the character has from everyone in the story" is quite right either. The definition is far too broad.

If we visualize the world of your definition, the world where everyone in the story admire the MC, there is no conflicts, arch-nemesis, no villains, no strangers, etc. Huge problem for a story to exist with such definition.

Now we will narrow it down to the MC's direct peers. The world where the MC's direct peers admires him, yet there can still envy, jealousy, strangers, enemies, villains, etc. This is a more believable definitions, but wouldn't this fit the definition of many of the MC out there. This is actually what happens, the peers he mainly interact with, acknowledge and/or admires him and therefore does fit the definition.

Then again, if we were to widen the range from his direct peers to his surroundings of both friends and foes, this will fall into the problem of never being able to fit the definitions. The whole "stu" definition should have existed in the first place.

Either way, arguing about word definition is silly overall, IMO, because news words are constantly created, while old words definition are constantly changing through time.

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If we visualize the world of your definition, the world where everyone in the story admire the MC, there is no conflicts, arch-nemesis, no villains, no strangers, etc. Huge problem for a story to exist with such definition.

Not quite, there are villains or conflicts, but the "Stuness" of the character obliterates them in the end. That is why such stories are ultimately disappointing. If the MC actually has real challenges or conflicts then they wouldn't be a "Stu" character, they would just be a normal MC. If I wanted to point to a series that has obvious "Stuness" David Weber's Honor Series would be a perfect example: it isn't so much that she is smart and attractive, but rather that everyone, even her enemies ultimately love her (or if not love, at least admiring her spunk).

If a "Gary Stu" is a "all men want to be him and all women want to sleep with him" stereotype, then the Mary Sue type would be that gosh darn "not classically beautiful, but really great bone structure, goes aboard military ships with an intelligent cat on her shoulder, is a brilliant tactician even though really she doesn't do much, in the end she becomes a noble in an egalitarian society heroine.

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This is a more believable definitions,

But that is sort of the point. Stu characters are NOT believable, that is what makes them "Stu". Take Odysseus as an example: one of the best Greek warriors, and by far the smartest, he would be a perfect Stu character because of his OP qualities if not for the fact that he DOES have conflicts or problems. Stu's would have made Poseidon himself go "well he blinded my son, but gosh you gotta love his spunk in challenging us gods so I will let him return home"

That is what distinguishes a Stu from an MC or even an OP. It may be a neologism, but you can't take away this distinguishing feature and still have this word. If just being an MC or an OP is enough to make one "Stu" then there would not be the need for the word.

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MShukyDeneuve said:
But, we actually can't fully denied he is Gary Stu either....He just too plain in character.

Your second statement contradicts the first statement. A "too plain" character cannot be a "Gary Stu" character. The whole point of a "Gary Stu" or "Mary Sue" is how gosh incredible they are supposed to be.

No, i am not. You just misunderstood me.
The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness"

He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean?

What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be".

But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now.

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The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness"

He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean?

What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be".

But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now.

I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was.

When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show).

Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction.

Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character.

Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character."

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It may be a neologism, but you can't take away this distinguishing feature and still have this word.

I would love to see you argue with someone about the definition of hacker, where one is using the original definition of the word hacker, while the other uses the more modern used definition of the word.

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Well we're not using it because we dislike the character, well maybe the others are, but I know I'm not.

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Well isn't Tatsuya different in away? The very society he lives in brands him a failure. The reaaon he lacks emotion is also a great insight into the world and explains why his personality is lacking... Tatsuya knows as a human he is effectively broken.. "I lost all of what you could call feelings of love. They weren't sealed, so they can't be released. They weren't broken, so they can't be fixed. That which is lost, cannot be recovered"

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Takuan_Soho said:

MShukyDeneuve said:
The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness"

He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean?

What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be".

But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now.

I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was.

When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show).

Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction.

Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character.

Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character."

Also Kirito was a beta tester for the game and so had inside information on the game that other people did not.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.

Apr 19, 2014 8:11 AM

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I was going to ask the same thing they better explain that.

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Saskee said:
I was going to ask the same thing they better explain that.

Read the first page, the topic already deviated from the original post.

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Takuan_Soho said:

MShukyDeneuve said:
The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness"

He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean?

What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be".

But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now.

I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was.

When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show).

Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction.

Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character.

Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character."

That's the author idea,that is why he is a plain character, he needs the other characters to make his character more colorful...Envy, love, jealously, interested toward him. Without that he is plain, a living robot.

For me, Kirito is a pure Gary Stu though. The author try to give a reason why he this and that, but it still makes no sense. Have many information, beta tester, resulted he have max stats even soloing big boss...The author just need to be honest and said Kirito is using cheat(which fit with game genre) that is why he almost invincible for example, that is more believable rather than something vague and roundabout way like information this and information that. But, let say we have different idea toward Kirito.
As for Tatsuya, it still make no sense though, till last vol...He actually the strongest in the world, even the aunt acknowledged she might lose 1 on 1 against Tatsuya. Again, the author try to give flaws to Tatsuya's character, but it have no effect because his greatness can kick that flaws away. It is not plot development, he already like that since episode 1 and till last vol, he still like that. We never seen he have actual problem with his battle because of his flaws for example, he just casually overpowering enemies. Until he can be defeated in a fight, then i stand on my opinion that he is nonsensically OP. And yes, the author made Tatsuya too gosh darn awesome and ended up plain. He basically have no flaw even the author try to give him ones because we never seen he truly affected by it.

BUT, i think he is great MC in this series though...Yeah, that because almost all people is a bunch of douchebag. Arrogant but weakling, discrimination everywhere, bullying, a rigid society, etc. It makes Tatsuya a least bad one in a bunch of worst characters . For example, if i compare it with other series, there is time when i actually cheering/ sympathetic on enemy, because even though the enemy is evil, but he/she is a good built character. Yet, in Mahouka, all enemies is just a bunch of 2D evil who just became evil because of silly reason or did not have any good trait at all. Even Lina who is a decent one still fail in my eyes.

Even though i considered Tatsuya not a Gary Stu, but i can't actually disagree on people who said he is a Stu, because for me he have Stu trait even though it can be ignored.
But, if it comes to the never ending arguments situation, at least i can agree that Tatsuya is a "good" Stu.
If i allowed to complain though, i want Tatsuya a bit weaker or see him struggle rather than easily crush everything on his path. Yet, he is too great that he actually can accomplished anything alone and ironically failed because of his friends influenced.

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i just want to say this i dont know why everyone think tatsuya is Gary sue
1)for me overpower character is totally meaningless in this series because until the volume 9 he was very powerful but that is because all of his opponent was to arrogant and prideful plus they are the same age so did not go into combat much and they were from his country
2) the GAA is very low on information about magic because all there magical research was destroy so they are not really that strong
3) after volume 9 tatsuya almost die or would've lost in battle because this time he face a real opponent from a greatly advance country and everything in the show is not like if u can nuke u can always win because u would die in process
4)to win is like rock,paper,scissor if u can counter it u maybe able to defeat it and tatsuya almost lost because of this and this is also a reason why he can defeat his aunt because he can counter it while other people cant do that
5)while he is smart but what is wrong with that i mean he cant live a normal life for many reason one is his emotion and two is his family and he almost die many times that could be the reason he research and get smarter plus he got talent for it anyways
6)his power is not absolute because some people could counter it maybe able to defeat it
7)lastly his opponent is no longer just human like volume 9 just prove

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MShukyDeneuve said:

Takuan_Soho said:

MShukyDeneuve said:
The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness"

He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean?

What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be".

But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now.

I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was.

When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show).

Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction.

Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character.

Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character."

That's the author idea,that is why he is a plain character, he needs the other characters to make his character more colorful...Envy, love, jealously, interested toward him. Without that he is plain, a living robot.

For me, Kirito is a pure Gary Stu though. The author try to give a reason why he this and that, but it still makes no sense. Have many information, beta tester, resulted he have max stats even soloing big boss...The author just need to be honest and said Kirito is using cheat(which fit with game genre) that is why he almost invincible for example, that is more believable rather than something vague and roundabout way like information this and information that. But, let say we have different idea toward Kirito.
As for Tatsuya, it still make no sense though, till last vol...He actually the strongest in the world, even the aunt acknowledged she might lose 1 on 1 against Tatsuya. Again, the author try to give flaws to Tatsuya's character, but it have no effect because his greatness can kick that flaws away. It is not plot development, he already like that since episode 1 and till last vol, he still like that. We never seen he have actual problem with his battle because of his flaws for example, he just casually overpowering enemies. Until he can be defeated in a fight, then i stand on my opinion that he is nonsensically OP. And yes, the author made Tatsuya too gosh darn awesome and ended up plain. He basically have no flaw even the author try to give him ones because we never seen he truly affected by it.

BUT, i think he is great MC in this series though...Yeah, that because almost all people is a bunch of douchebag. Arrogant but weakling, discrimination everywhere, bullying, a rigid society, etc. It makes Tatsuya a least bad one in a bunch of worst characters . For example, if i compare it with other series, there is time when i actually cheering/ sympathetic on enemy, because even though the enemy is evil, but he/she is a good built character. Yet, in Mahouka, all enemies is just a bunch of 2D evil who just became evil because of silly reason or did not have any good trait at all. Even Lina who is a decent one still fail in my eyes.

Even though i considered Tatsuya not a Gary Stu, but i can't actually disagree on people who said he is a Stu, because for me he have Stu trait even though it can be ignored.
But, if it comes to the never ending arguments situation, at least i can agree that Tatsuya is a "good" Stu.
If i allowed to complain though, i want Tatsuya a bit weaker or see him struggle rather than easily crush everything on his path. Yet, he is too great that he actually can accomplished anything alone and ironically failed because of his friends influenced.

I spoiler most of what you said due to it being partly spoilers and in some parts wrong and misleading. Hence my response in spoilers (which will also spoil parts of the anime if people read so you have been warned):

To say that Tatsuya never has actual problems in battles because of his flaws and that he is the strongest in the world is kinda outright false. His material burst might very well be the strongest ability, I am not sure, but it is not something that can be used anywhere near him without it being suicide, its radius of destruction is to large. This also makes it unusable in any situation where it is not a "large group of enemies that do not have any neutral or friendlies near them and are very far away from here." The situations where that condition is met is rather few and far between. His decomposition and regrowth are strong but have been clearly shown to be things that can be countered.

He doesn't casual blow away all enemies. He does in Yokohama Disturbance and in Reminiscence chapter sure, but Yokohama is the big reveal arc that shows him in all his glory and Reminiscence is the flashback chapter and one of the very few people important to him died in stopping the missiles that would have killed him and many others, so he didn't flawlessly save the day there.

Lina could have killed Tatsuya if that was truly her aim in the final battle, she was using Parade at a distance that Tatsuya probably couldn't have removed it, and she could have killed him from afar easily with Brionac if she didn't want to talk to him first. Even then, the only reason she didn't win is because she was trying to injure him to get him to surrender instead of outright kill him. The text clearly stated that Brionac was fired before Tatsuya could counter. If she aimed for the head or chest instead of an arm, he would have been dead before regrowth could kick in.

The parasites were enemies he could not defeat alone, at all. He could kill their host bodies but they would just invade a new person. He could injure the actual parasites himself but he couldn't kill them. Besides that in a battle the parasites had very nearly pinned down and defeated Lina and Tatsuya together. If it was just Tatsuya there it would not be hard to imagine he would have died. Without Mikihiko sealing them or Miyuki being actual able to destroy them, Tatsuya would have not have been able to solve it at all. So ya, if it wasn't for the other characters those were enemies Tatsuya would never have been able to beat, not by a long shot. Seeing how Koudou collected one, it is not out of bounds to imagine that there will eventually be another conflict with the parasites in the future as well.

He wasn't able to use decomposition on Tomitsuka either. It was a pretty heated battle between them when they fought in mock combat. Seeing how decomp didn't work the fight wasn't all that different than it would have went down in real combat. Tatsuya won but it wasn't anything near "casually overpowering" him.

On potential enemies he hasn't fought at his fullest yet:

Katsuto's Phalanx ability Tatsuya claimed would lead them into a battle of attrition, so I take that to mean it would be unknown who the victor there would be. I think a fight between Masaki and Tatsuya to the death would be a battle on whether Rupture or Decomposition is used first. Both of Phalanx and Rupture run in their family, so most of their family members also claim to be a challenge, or to be able to kill Tatsuya. Katsuto using Phalanx to protect while Masaki uses Rupture to kill would probably end up being a short worry free match to kill Tatsuya. Seeing how Tatsuya once stated that Katsuto was his natural enemies in many ways in the 9SC arc, and Masaki has a rivalry (even if one-sided) going on with Tatsuya, it is possible that he might have to fight in a serious battle against them (probably only 1 at a time though :p) in the future.

Besides that there are suppose to be around 50 strategic class mages in the world. Only 12 of those alive are currently known, seeing how he was almost killed by Lina , and could have easily died from her ability if it had been her intent from the start of the final battle, there is a chance for many of the other strategic class magicians to be able to kill him, possibly before he could do anything.

We don't know much about Zhou, but he works for the black sage and has a grudge to pick against Tatsuya. Going against someone who gets info from one of the 7 sages is going to be dangerous, and the double seven arc shows him teaming up with Koichi Saegusa, so I doubt things are going to be simple there.

So Tatsuya isn't "nonsensically OP", he is clearly one of the strongest magicians, but he doesn't stand above all the others in power, and it is clear that he could be defeated if he was always standing alone. He would have at the very least have been killed by the parasites if alone, or Lina if she had been ordered to kill him with Brionac before getting to know him.

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SinarBlood said:

MShukyDeneuve said:

Takuan_Soho said:

MShukyDeneuve said:
The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness"

He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean?

What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be".

But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now.

I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was.

When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show).

Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction.

Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character.

Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character."

That's the author idea,that is why he is a plain character, he needs the other characters to make his character more colorful...Envy, love, jealously, interested toward him. Without that he is plain, a living robot.

For me, Kirito is a pure Gary Stu though. The author try to give a reason why he this and that, but it still makes no sense. Have many information, beta tester, resulted he have max stats even soloing big boss...The author just need to be honest and said Kirito is using cheat(which fit with game genre) that is why he almost invincible for example, that is more believable rather than something vague and roundabout way like information this and information that. But, let say we have different idea toward Kirito.
As for Tatsuya, it still make no sense though, till last vol...He actually the strongest in the world, even the aunt acknowledged she might lose 1 on 1 against Tatsuya. Again, the author try to give flaws to Tatsuya's character, but it have no effect because his greatness can kick that flaws away. It is not plot development, he already like that since episode 1 and till last vol, he still like that. We never seen he have actual problem with his battle because of his flaws for example, he just casually overpowering enemies. Until he can be defeated in a fight, then i stand on my opinion that he is nonsensically OP. And yes, the author made Tatsuya too gosh darn awesome and ended up plain. He basically have no flaw even the author try to give him ones because we never seen he truly affected by it.

BUT, i think he is great MC in this series though...Yeah, that because almost all people is a bunch of douchebag. Arrogant but weakling, discrimination everywhere, bullying, a rigid society, etc. It makes Tatsuya a least bad one in a bunch of worst characters . For example, if i compare it with other series, there is time when i actually cheering/ sympathetic on enemy, because even though the enemy is evil, but he/she is a good built character. Yet, in Mahouka, all enemies is just a bunch of 2D evil who just became evil because of silly reason or did not have any good trait at all. Even Lina who is a decent one still fail in my eyes.

Even though i considered Tatsuya not a Gary Stu, but i can't actually disagree on people who said he is a Stu, because for me he have Stu trait even though it can be ignored.
But, if it comes to the never ending arguments situation, at least i can agree that Tatsuya is a "good" Stu.
If i allowed to complain though, i want Tatsuya a bit weaker or see him struggle rather than easily crush everything on his path. Yet, he is too great that he actually can accomplished anything alone and ironically failed because of his friends influenced.

I spoiler most of what you said due to it being partly spoilers and in some parts wrong and misleading. Hence my response in spoilers (which will also spoil parts of the anime if people read so you have been warned):

To say that Tatsuya never has actual problems in battles because of his flaws and that he is the strongest in the world is kinda outright false. His material burst might very well be the strongest ability, I am not sure, but it is not something that can be used anywhere near him without it being suicide, its radius of destruction is to large. This also makes it unusable in any situation where it is not a "large group of enemies that do not have any neutral or friendlies near them and are very far away from here." The situations where that condition is met is rather few and far between. His decomposition and regrowth are strong but have been clearly shown to be things that can be countered.

He doesn't casual blow away all enemies. He does in Yokohama Disturbance and in Reminiscence chapter sure, but Yokohama is the big reveal arc that shows him in all his glory and Reminiscence is the flashback chapter and one of the very few people important to him died in stopping the missiles that would have killed him and many others, so he didn't flawlessly save the day there.

Lina could have killed Tatsuya if that was truly her aim in the final battle, she was using Parade at a distance that Tatsuya probably couldn't have removed it, and she could have killed him from afar easily with Brionac if she didn't want to talk to him first. Even then, the only reason she didn't win is because she was trying to injure him to get him to surrender instead of outright kill him. The text clearly stated that Brionac was fired before Tatsuya could counter. If she aimed for the head or chest instead of an arm, he would have been dead before regrowth could kick in.

The parasites were enemies he could not defeat alone, at all. He could kill their host bodies but they would just invade a new person. He could injure the actual parasites himself but he couldn't kill them. Besides that in a battle the parasites had very nearly pinned down and defeated Lina and Tatsuya together. If it was just Tatsuya there it would not be hard to imagine he would have died. Without Mikihiko sealing them or Miyuki being actual able to destroy them, Tatsuya would have not have been able to solve it at all. So ya, if it wasn't for the other characters those were enemies Tatsuya would never have been able to beat, not by a long shot. Seeing how Koudou collected one, it is not out of bounds to imagine that there will eventually be another conflict with the parasites in the future as well.

He wasn't able to use decomposition on Tomitsuka either. It was a pretty heated battle between them when they fought in mock combat. Seeing how decomp didn't work the fight wasn't all that different than it would have went down in real combat. Tatsuya won but it wasn't anything near "casually overpowering" him.

On potential enemies he hasn't fought at his fullest yet:

Katsuto's Phalanx ability Tatsuya claimed would lead them into a battle of attrition, so I take that to mean it would be unknown who the victor there would be. I think a fight between Masaki and Tatsuya to the death would be a battle on whether Rupture or Decomposition is used first. Both of Phalanx and Rupture run in their family, so most of their family members also claim to be a challenge, or to be able to kill Tatsuya. Katsuto using Phalanx to protect while Masaki uses Rupture to kill would probably end up being a short worry free match to kill Tatsuya. Seeing how Tatsuya once stated that Katsuto was his natural enemies in many ways in the 9SC arc, and Masaki has a rivalry (even if one-sided) going on with Tatsuya, it is possible that he might have to fight in a serious battle against them (probably only 1 at a time though :p) in the future.

Besides that there are suppose to be around 50 strategic class mages in the world. Only 12 of those alive are currently known, seeing how he was almost killed by Lina , and could have easily died from her ability if it had been her intent from the start of the final battle, there is a chance for many of the other strategic class magicians to be able to kill him, possibly before he could do anything.

We don't know much about Zhou, but he works for the black sage and has a grudge to pick against Tatsuya. Going against someone who gets info from one of the 7 sages is going to be dangerous, and the double seven arc shows him teaming up with Koichi Saegusa, so I doubt things are going to be simple there.

So Tatsuya isn't "nonsensically OP", he is clearly one of the strongest magicians, but he doesn't stand above all the others in power, and it is clear that he could be defeated if he was always standing alone. He would have at the very least have been killed by the parasites if alone, or Lina if she had been ordered to kill him with Brionac before getting to know him.

I pretty much agree with all your points, although I don't think Angie

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SinarBlood said:

MShukyDeneuve said:

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MShukyDeneuve said:
The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness"

He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean?

What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be".

But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now.

I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was.

When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show).

Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction.

Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character.

Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character."

That's the author idea,that is why he is a plain character, he needs the other characters to make his character more colorful...Envy, love, jealously, interested toward him. Without that he is plain, a living robot.

For me, Kirito is a pure Gary Stu though. The author try to give a reason why he this and that, but it still makes no sense. Have many information, beta tester, resulted he have max stats even soloing big boss...The author just need to be honest and said Kirito is using cheat(which fit with game genre) that is why he almost invincible for example, that is more believable rather than something vague and roundabout way like information this and information that. But, let say we have different idea toward Kirito.
As for Tatsuya, it still make no sense though, till last vol...He actually the strongest in the world, even the aunt acknowledged she might lose 1 on 1 against Tatsuya. Again, the author try to give flaws to Tatsuya's character, but it have no effect because his greatness can kick that flaws away. It is not plot development, he already like that since episode 1 and till last vol, he still like that. We never seen he have actual problem with his battle because of his flaws for example, he just casually overpowering enemies. Until he can be defeated in a fight, then i stand on my opinion that he is nonsensically OP. And yes, the author made Tatsuya too gosh darn awesome and ended up plain. He basically have no flaw even the author try to give him ones because we never seen he truly affected by it.

BUT, i think he is great MC in this series though...Yeah, that because almost all people is a bunch of douchebag. Arrogant but weakling, discrimination everywhere, bullying, a rigid society, etc. It makes Tatsuya a least bad one in a bunch of worst characters . For example, if i compare it with other series, there is time when i actually cheering/ sympathetic on enemy, because even though the enemy is evil, but he/she is a good built character. Yet, in Mahouka, all enemies is just a bunch of 2D evil who just became evil because of silly reason or did not have any good trait at all. Even Lina who is a decent one still fail in my eyes.

Even though i considered Tatsuya not a Gary Stu, but i can't actually disagree on people who said he is a Stu, because for me he have Stu trait even though it can be ignored.
But, if it comes to the never ending arguments situation, at least i can agree that Tatsuya is a "good" Stu.
If i allowed to complain though, i want Tatsuya a bit weaker or see him struggle rather than easily crush everything on his path. Yet, he is too great that he actually can accomplished anything alone and ironically failed because of his friends influenced.

I spoiler most of what you said due to it being partly spoilers and in some parts wrong and misleading. Hence my response in spoilers (which will also spoil parts of the anime if people read so you have been warned):

To say that Tatsuya never has actual problems in battles because of his flaws and that he is the strongest in the world is kinda outright false. His material burst might very well be the strongest ability, I am not sure, but it is not something that can be used anywhere near him without it being suicide, its radius of destruction is to large. This also makes it unusable in any situation where it is not a "large group of enemies that do not have any neutral or friendlies near them and are very far away from here." The situations where that condition is met is rather few and far between. His decomposition and regrowth are strong but have been clearly shown to be things that can be countered.

He doesn't casual blow away all enemies. He does in Yokohama Disturbance and in Reminiscence chapter sure, but Yokohama is the big reveal arc that shows him in all his glory and Reminiscence is the flashback chapter and one of the very few people important to him died in stopping the missiles that would have killed him and many others, so he didn't flawlessly save the day there.

Lina could have killed Tatsuya if that was truly her aim in the final battle, she was using Parade at a distance that Tatsuya probably couldn't have removed it, and she could have killed him from afar easily with Brionac if she didn't want to talk to him first. Even then, the only reason she didn't win is because she was trying to injure him to get him to surrender instead of outright kill him. The text clearly stated that Brionac was fired before Tatsuya could counter. If she aimed for the head or chest instead of an arm, he would have been dead before regrowth could kick in.

The parasites were enemies he could not defeat alone, at all. He could kill their host bodies but they would just invade a new person. He could injure the actual parasites himself but he couldn't kill them. Besides that in a battle the parasites had very nearly pinned down and defeated Lina and Tatsuya together. If it was just Tatsuya there it would not be hard to imagine he would have died. Without Mikihiko sealing them or Miyuki being actual able to destroy them, Tatsuya would have not have been able to solve it at all. So ya, if it wasn't for the other characters those were enemies Tatsuya would never have been able to beat, not by a long shot. Seeing how Koudou collected one, it is not out of bounds to imagine that there will eventually be another conflict with the parasites in the future as well.

He wasn't able to use decomposition on Tomitsuka either. It was a pretty heated battle between them when they fought in mock combat. Seeing how decomp didn't work the fight wasn't all that different than it would have went down in real combat. Tatsuya won but it wasn't anything near "casually overpowering" him.

On potential enemies he hasn't fought at his fullest yet:

Katsuto's Phalanx ability Tatsuya claimed would lead them into a battle of attrition, so I take that to mean it would be unknown who the victor there would be. I think a fight between Masaki and Tatsuya to the death would be a battle on whether Rupture or Decomposition is used first. Both of Phalanx and Rupture run in their family, so most of their family members also claim to be a challenge, or to be able to kill Tatsuya. Katsuto using Phalanx to protect while Masaki uses Rupture to kill would probably end up being a short worry free match to kill Tatsuya. Seeing how Tatsuya once stated that Katsuto was his natural enemies in many ways in the 9SC arc, and Masaki has a rivalry (even if one-sided) going on with Tatsuya, it is possible that he might have to fight in a serious battle against them (probably only 1 at a time though :p) in the future.

Besides that there are suppose to be around 50 strategic class mages in the world. Only 12 of those alive are currently known, seeing how he was almost killed by Lina , and could have easily died from her ability if it had been her intent from the start of the final battle, there is a chance for many of the other strategic class magicians to be able to kill him, possibly before he could do anything.

We don't know much about Zhou, but he works for the black sage and has a grudge to pick against Tatsuya. Going against someone who gets info from one of the 7 sages is going to be dangerous, and the double seven arc shows him teaming up with Koichi Saegusa, so I doubt things are going to be simple there.

So Tatsuya isn't "nonsensically OP", he is clearly one of the strongest magicians, but he doesn't stand above all the others in power, and it is clear that he could be defeated if he was always standing alone. He would have at the very least have been killed by the parasites if alone, or Lina if she had been ordered to kill him with Brionac before getting to know him.

I pretty much agree with all your points, although I don't think Angie

What, you're confusing something here,

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EasyGo-er said:

krownklown said:

SinarBlood said:

MShukyDeneuve said:

Takuan_Soho said:

MShukyDeneuve said:
The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness"

He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean?

What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be".

But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now.

I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was.

When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show).

Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction.

Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character.

Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character."

That's the author idea,that is why he is a plain character, he needs the other characters to make his character more colorful...Envy, love, jealously, interested toward him. Without that he is plain, a living robot.

For me, Kirito is a pure Gary Stu though. The author try to give a reason why he this and that, but it still makes no sense. Have many information, beta tester, resulted he have max stats even soloing big boss...The author just need to be honest and said Kirito is using cheat(which fit with game genre) that is why he almost invincible for example, that is more believable rather than something vague and roundabout way like information this and information that. But, let say we have different idea toward Kirito.
As for Tatsuya, it still make no sense though, till last vol...He actually the strongest in the world, even the aunt acknowledged she might lose 1 on 1 against Tatsuya. Again, the author try to give flaws to Tatsuya's character, but it have no effect because his greatness can kick that flaws away. It is not plot development, he already like that since episode 1 and till last vol, he still like that. We never seen he have actual problem with his battle because of his flaws for example, he just casually overpowering enemies. Until he can be defeated in a fight, then i stand on my opinion that he is nonsensically OP. And yes, the author made Tatsuya too gosh darn awesome and ended up plain. He basically have no flaw even the author try to give him ones because we never seen he truly affected by it.

BUT, i think he is great MC in this series though...Yeah, that because almost all people is a bunch of douchebag. Arrogant but weakling, discrimination everywhere, bullying, a rigid society, etc. It makes Tatsuya a least bad one in a bunch of worst characters . For example, if i compare it with other series, there is time when i actually cheering/ sympathetic on enemy, because even though the enemy is evil, but he/she is a good built character. Yet, in Mahouka, all enemies is just a bunch of 2D evil who just became evil because of silly reason or did not have any good trait at all. Even Lina who is a decent one still fail in my eyes.

Even though i considered Tatsuya not a Gary Stu, but i can't actually disagree on people who said he is a Stu, because for me he have Stu trait even though it can be ignored.
But, if it comes to the never ending arguments situation, at least i can agree that Tatsuya is a "good" Stu.
If i allowed to complain though, i want Tatsuya a bit weaker or see him struggle rather than easily crush everything on his path. Yet, he is too great that he actually can accomplished anything alone and ironically failed because of his friends influenced.

I spoiler most of what you said due to it being partly spoilers and in some parts wrong and misleading. Hence my response in spoilers (which will also spoil parts of the anime if people read so you have been warned):

To say that Tatsuya never has actual problems in battles because of his flaws and that he is the strongest in the world is kinda outright false. His material burst might very well be the strongest ability, I am not sure, but it is not something that can be used anywhere near him without it being suicide, its radius of destruction is to large. This also makes it unusable in any situation where it is not a "large group of enemies that do not have any neutral or friendlies near them and are very far away from here." The situations where that condition is met is rather few and far between. His decomposition and regrowth are strong but have been clearly shown to be things that can be countered.

He doesn't casual blow away all enemies. He does in Yokohama Disturbance and in Reminiscence chapter sure, but Yokohama is the big reveal arc that shows him in all his glory and Reminiscence is the flashback chapter and one of the very few people important to him died in stopping the missiles that would have killed him and many others, so he didn't flawlessly save the day there.

Lina could have killed Tatsuya if that was truly her aim in the final battle, she was using Parade at a distance that Tatsuya probably couldn't have removed it, and she could have killed him from afar easily with Brionac if she didn't want to talk to him first. Even then, the only reason she didn't win is because she was trying to injure him to get him to surrender instead of outright kill him. The text clearly stated that Brionac was fired before Tatsuya could counter. If she aimed for the head or chest instead of an arm, he would have been dead before regrowth could kick in.

The parasites were enemies he could not defeat alone, at all. He could kill their host bodies but they would just invade a new person. He could injure the actual parasites himself but he couldn't kill them. Besides that in a battle the parasites had very nearly pinned down and defeated Lina and Tatsuya together. If it was just Tatsuya there it would not be hard to imagine he would have died. Without Mikihiko sealing them or Miyuki being actual able to destroy them, Tatsuya would have not have been able to solve it at all. So ya, if it wasn't for the other characters those were enemies Tatsuya would never have been able to beat, not by a long shot. Seeing how Koudou collected one, it is not out of bounds to imagine that there will eventually be another conflict with the parasites in the future as well.

He wasn't able to use decomposition on Tomitsuka either. It was a pretty heated battle between them when they fought in mock combat. Seeing how decomp didn't work the fight wasn't all that different than it would have went down in real combat. Tatsuya won but it wasn't anything near "casually overpowering" him.

On potential enemies he hasn't fought at his fullest yet:

Katsuto's Phalanx ability Tatsuya claimed would lead them into a battle of attrition, so I take that to mean it would be unknown who the victor there would be. I think a fight between Masaki and Tatsuya to the death would be a battle on whether Rupture or Decomposition is used first. Both of Phalanx and Rupture run in their family, so most of their family members also claim to be a challenge, or to be able to kill Tatsuya. Katsuto using Phalanx to protect while Masaki uses Rupture to kill would probably end up being a short worry free match to kill Tatsuya. Seeing how Tatsuya once stated that Katsuto was his natural enemies in many ways in the 9SC arc, and Masaki has a rivalry (even if one-sided) going on with Tatsuya, it is possible that he might have to fight in a serious battle against them (probably only 1 at a time though :p) in the future.

Besides that there are suppose to be around 50 strategic class mages in the world. Only 12 of those alive are currently known, seeing how he was almost killed by Lina , and could have easily died from her ability if it had been her intent from the start of the final battle, there is a chance for many of the other strategic class magicians to be able to kill him, possibly before he could do anything.

We don't know much about Zhou, but he works for the black sage and has a grudge to pick against Tatsuya. Going against someone who gets info from one of the 7 sages is going to be dangerous, and the double seven arc shows him teaming up with Koichi Saegusa, so I doubt things are going to be simple there.

So Tatsuya isn't "nonsensically OP", he is clearly one of the strongest magicians, but he doesn't stand above all the others in power, and it is clear that he could be defeated if he was always standing alone. He would have at the very least have been killed by the parasites if alone, or Lina if she had been ordered to kill him with Brionac before getting to know him.

I pretty much agree with all your points, although I don't think Angie

What, you're confusing something here,

Yes and no

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My thing is though, his ability must be used actively by him to heal others, but its passive or automatic for him and remember he is not healing he is

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In episode 1, the guy claims they aren't twins, but they were born on different months. Is it actually possible to give birth to one kid in one month and another one in the next?

theirs a 13 month difference its like over here in the states if your bday is after lets say august you have to wait a year to start school so Tatsuya is 1 year old but (using my example) born in September he starts school at age 6 where as his sis is 1 year younger but born in august she gets to start school at age 5 so they both start school at the same time

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Confucius said:
In episode 1, the guy claims they aren't twins, but they were born on different months. Is it actually possible to give birth to one kid in one month and another one in the next?

theirs a 13 month difference its like over here in the states if your bday is after lets say august you have to wait a year to start school so Tatsuya is 1 year old but (using my example) born in September he starts school at age 6 where as his sis is 1 year younger but born in august she gets to start school at age 5 so they both start school at the same time

In this case, school year in Japan starts with April and ends with March the following year. As an example, Tatsuya who was born in April 2013 is the oldest one while Miyuki who was born in March 2014 is the youngest one in their school year. Both were able to attend the same year because they're considered to be of the same age based on the Japanese's school system. This means that there's 11 months gap between them. Many were confused because they thought the siblings were born on the same year while it's actually not and this was only made possible because of the Japanese's school system.

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Doesn't matter how they're related, it'll never happen.

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Might be possible.

Especially if one of them are birth prematurely, like 8 month.

That or adoption.

Probably not sister and brother for real. I mean how many other clues do we need ?XD One has magic, the other doesn,t, they look very different, they are kinda in love and they have 8 months btween them. This 8 months to me is the most relevant point. First of all, no woman would get pregnant immediately after giving birth, body needs at least a couple months to recover. So from those 8 months you would need to get out like 2 to get to what "prematurely born" would mean. Secondly, I see absolutely no point for the author to come up with this age difference that makes no sense unless he had something in mind and I bet we won't read about how the woman gave birth prematurely

Apr 27, 2014 2:04 AM

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