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| I read that as semen anime for some reason. |
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| Being published in a seinen magazine |
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| It's gotta be super grim, dark, edgy and mature. K-ON! is the perfect example of this. |
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| Death Note and Mirai Nikki were published in shonen magazines. One Outs was not. That's pretty much it. |
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Praland said: Being published in a seinen magazine -Tien- said: Death Note and Mirai Nikki were published in shonen magazines. One Outs was not. That's pretty much it. |
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| The questions not stupid at all as I asked a while back and nobody could give me an answer other than "its not marketed to adolescent boys." Speaking from experience, both shonen and seinen can have gore, swearing, and nudity so IMO its only the elitists that care to separate the 2. |
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Old_Raven said: The only answer is that the manga was a seinen manga. That's all that makes something a shounen or a seinen, who it's aimed to.The questions not stupid at all as I asked a while back and nobody could give me an answer other than "its not marketed to adolescent boys." Speaking from experience, both shonen and seinen can have gore, swearing, and nudity so IMO its only the elitists that care to separate the 2. |
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| It's seinen if it's marketed as seinen. It has nothing to do with the actual content of the show. |
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mitch3315 said: It's gotta be super grim, dark, edgy and mature. K-ON! is the perfect example of this. You forgot that it has to deal with and elaborate complicated philosophical concepts that trascend common perception. Just like Chi's sweet home. |
jal90 said: mitch3315 said: It's gotta be super grim, dark, edgy and mature. K-ON! is the perfect example of this. You forgot that it has to deal with and elaborate complicated philosophical concepts that trascend common perception. Just like Chi's sweet home. I didn't think this was the right place to start the overly philosophical debate surrounding fun things being fun. |
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Old_Raven said: i will give you an answer. shonen anime is targeted at a young male (under 18) demographic while seinen anime is targeted at an older male (18+) demographic. that is also why seinen is considered darker and more "mature" but like they mentioned above age =/= maturity and k-on is a seinen.The questions not stupid at all as I asked a while back and nobody could give me an answer other than "its not marketed to adolescent boys." Speaking from experience, both shonen and seinen can have gore, swearing, and nudity so IMO its only the elitists that care to separate the 2. |
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| The only difference is that one is in a seinen magazine, the other is in a shounen magazine. If blood and gore were really the only thing that made something "seinen", then stuff like Hokuto no Ken would be considered that (even though it's published in Weekly Shounen Jump). I actually think it's the less experienced fans who separate the two. Demographic tags have nothing to do with the content. Death Note is shounen and K-ON is seinen, for instance. |
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| shonen - teenage angst and yelling, lots of yelling Seinen - not so much yelling that's my best shot at describing the difference, I'd probably go with everyone else's answer though |
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gombo said: shonen - teenage angst I immediately thought of Evangelion, which is technically both if you consider the manga. It was in a shounen magazine at first but transitioned into a seinen magazine later on. |
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gombo said: I desagree....shonen - teenage angst and yelling, lots of yelling Seinen - not so much yelling that's my best shot at describing the difference, I'd probably go with everyone else's answer though Read bokurano and narutaru |
gombo said: shonen - teenage angst and yelling, lots of yelling Seinen - not so much yelling that's my best shot at describing the difference. This is completely wrong. I'm sure you can do better. |
mitch3315 said: jal90 said: mitch3315 said: It's gotta be super grim, dark, edgy and mature. K-ON! is the perfect example of this. You forgot that it has to deal with and elaborate complicated philosophical concepts that trascend common perception. Just like Chi's sweet home. I didn't think this was the right place to start the overly philosophical debate surrounding fun things being fun. Existential minimalism at its best. |
| The magazine they are published on. |
| Aliis si licet, tibi non licet. |
| Fun things are fun. Seinen is seinen. There is no need for an explanation. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
umashikaneko said: They are neither, because seinen and shonen demographics only apply to manga.What is about those original anime and anime adapted from LNs? |
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mitch3315 said: It's gotta be super grim, dark, edgy and mature. K-ON! is the perfect example of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxX0B8-ohto |
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nucleon said: Seinen is closer to reality, less use of cheats like superpower and magic to solve problems, and with the main stage being after graduation from school. Often, the problems are not even solved. Like Monster, Master Keaton, Team Medical Dragon - they rely on knowledge and skills. Then how about stuff like Berserk? That is also seinen yet takes place in a world with demons and stuff. |
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SolBlade said: nucleon said: Seinen is closer to reality, less use of cheats like superpower and magic to solve problems, and with the main stage being after graduation from school. Often, the problems are not even solved. Like Monster, Master Keaton, Team Medical Dragon - they rely on knowledge and skills. Then how about stuff like Berserk? That is also seinen yet takes place in a world with demons and stuff. Fantasy can still be realistic i.e consistent within the logic of its own fictional universe, almost all shonen break the consistency more so than not. |
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judals said: SolBlade said: nucleon said: Seinen is closer to reality, less use of cheats like superpower and magic to solve problems, and with the main stage being after graduation from school. Often, the problems are not even solved. Like Monster, Master Keaton, Team Medical Dragon - they rely on knowledge and skills. Then how about stuff like Berserk? That is also seinen yet takes place in a world with demons and stuff. Fantasy can still be realistic i.e consistent within the logic of its own fictional universe, almost all shonen break the consistency more so than not. Yeah, but he was talking about things close to our reality, such as Monster, which take place in our world. |
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nucleon said: SolBlade said: judals said: SolBlade said: nucleon said: Seinen is closer to reality, less use of cheats like superpower and magic to solve problems, and with the main stage being after graduation from school. Often, the problems are not even solved. Like Monster, Master Keaton, Team Medical Dragon - they rely on knowledge and skills. Then how about stuff like Berserk? That is also seinen yet takes place in a world with demons and stuff. Fantasy can still be realistic i.e consistent within the logic of its own fictional universe, almost all shonen break the consistency more so than not. Yeah, but he was talking about things close to our reality, such as Monster, which take place in our world. Berserk is harder to define as it allowed fantasy in the world. If you ask me what is a typical seinen, it would be the 3 I mentioned and not Berserk. Some parts of it fit in seinen: Gutts does not have much super power in the beginning, he's powerful but mainly physical. The main story was about the mature man, joining a mercenary and those wars were fought with largely melee and tactics. But the later stories added magic to the main party and made it even blurrer like a Harry Porter adventure. A counterpart would be Claymore where most characters got some special abilities. It still got some dark stories but would be placed in shounen. I see. Though not all seinen are the same, same goes for the other demographics. The reason I say this is because it's not a genre. Though I can see the Claymore/Berserk comparison. They are both dark fantasy but appeal to a different demographic, thus being separated. |
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revengerofdeath said: narutaru has little yellinggombo said: I desagree....shonen - teenage angst and yelling, lots of yelling Seinen - not so much yelling that's my best shot at describing the difference, I'd probably go with everyone else's answer though Read bokurano and narutaru i only saw the bokurano anime, but the yelling was on par with other mecha series |
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| This is what makes a seinen a seinen. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fL_ay0F5qcs |
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Killing children takes ball, yo. Though isn't Violence Jack shounen? |
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SolBlade said: Killing children takes ball, yo. Though isn't Violence Jack shounen? Ofc it is, this is real seinen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ac7GnUUy80 |
AzuStar said: SolBlade said: Killing children takes ball, yo. Though isn't Violence Jack shounen? Ofc it is, this is real seinen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ac7GnUUy80 Since it was published in a seinen magazine, yes |
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baki502 said: mitch3315 said: It's gotta be super grim, dark, edgy and mature. K-ON! is the perfect example of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxX0B8-ohto this is perfect |
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SolBlade said: Killing children takes ball, yo. Though isn't Violence Jack shounen? It was originally published in a Shounen magazine but in the 80s it got published in a seinen mag thus the content got much more graphic and focus on plot weakened. |
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| cripes now you are an elitiist merely for liking the genre labeled seinen? whats next? from what i read on this board over time all you need to do to be an elitist is watch ANY show |
| I think its just a term for who the company wants to sell these anime to. Anime may not necessarily have similarities that differentiate between intended demographics. |
Sung-Hwan said: Is Code Geass a seinen? No. In fact, since it's an original it's impossible to tell exactly what demographic it's aiming at. Though if I had to guess, it'd probably have a similar demographic as Death Note, which would make it shounen (just speculation on my part, take it with a grain of salt). But CG has no official tag as it doesn't have a source material. So it's safe to say that it can appeal to multiple demographics. |
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Praland said: Being published in a seinen magazine Why didn't the thread end at that point? |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Praland said: Being published in a seinen magazine Why didn't the thread end at that point? Because mitch and I had to make the joke, that's why. |
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daintybiscuit said: What? Who said that? All we were doing was joking about the nonexistent relationship between the "seinen" label and the content of the show.cripes now you are an elitiist merely for liking the genre labeled seinen? whats next? from what i read on this board over time all you need to do to be an elitist is watch ANY show You're only an elitist if you look down on people with inferior taste. |
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High_Five_Ghost said: This is something I've wondered about for a while. Sorry if the question sounds stupid. Why does something qualify as seinen? I get that its target demographic is adult males and I get why Berserk and Gantz fall under the genre. But why does work of Shinobu Kaitani qualify as seinen? I've seen One Outs and it has a fantastic Psychological Thriller story but so did Death Note but the latter doesn't qualify nor does Mirai Nikki. I was just wondering why? Seinen is a manga-specific demographic label which is determined by what magazine publishes the work. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the CONTENT of the work. This is why things like K-ON and Mikakunin are seinen, and why shows you believe "should be seinen" may not be. It has nothing to do with anything that is in the story, the way it's drawn, the types of characters, being "mature" or not, having gore or violence, being serious, being 'realistic', nor anything else. So what EXACTLY makes a seinen a seinen? The magazine it is published in and absolutely NOTHING else. I'm totally sure someone else has probably said something along these lines, so take this as a +1 type of post for anyone who has. daintybiscuit said: cripes now you are an elitiist merely for liking the genre labeled seinen? whats next? from what i read on this board over time all you need to do to be an elitist is watch ANY show Seinen is not a genre, also "genre labeled seinen" makes no sense given a genre is a label by definition - so it's kind of redundant (as well as wrong) to say "genre labeled ____". |
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nucleon said: And I think there exists anime which were not even published in magazine first. There are, and they do not use manga demographics. Seinen is a demographic specifically made for printed media, not for animation or film. |
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