The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 2 Episode 13 Discussion

Lilladyk said:

Now for my opinion we all have watch dis series since season 1 we all know how haruhi is...so dis is not a surprise ! Infact i found it funny when Mikuru was gettin (as some of yall would put it) SO CRUELLY TORTURED BY THE DEVEL HERSELF lol Yea poor Mikuru always the victim nd poor haruhi the one whos always wrong and gets blamed thats always how it goes.... I glade Kyon didnt hit her cuz haruhi obviously likes him alot and how would you feel if the one you love hurt you physically.

So since everyone else is taking sides im taking haruhi's side

Forgive me if that made no sense lol ^^

HawthorneKitty said:
So I guess you found that Haruhi's actions in this episode were not a bit more extreme compared to just making Mikuru dress up in outfits? If you found this funny, go to some parties and get drunk, then do something you really would never do. Son't worry, everyone will think it's funny.

Sometimes people need to be hit back into reality, and Haruhi really needed a punch in the face or a slap or something. Morally speaking, she totally stepped out of line, calling people "toys".

rabbitpoets said:

I don't see how you'd condone Kyon smacking or punching Haruhi, if you consider calling people "toys" morally wrong. Haruhi was definitely acting like a spoiled brat, but Kyon was a fool for raising his fist. And spiking the drink may have been extreme (which I don't really think it is. What's a little prank among friends), but Haruhi just suggested it. I don't see anyone blaming Tsuruya for actually being the one to do it.

Charliehsv said:
Ah yes, this is one of the few scenes where I was pretty dissapointed by Kyon while reading the novels.
Trying to punch someone like that , especially a girl, is something only an idiot would do.

And Haruhi being a selfish bitch? There are countless of scenes in the novels and in the series which prove the contrary. I don't know what you were doing while watching/reading them but you clearly weren't paying attention.

In any case, great episode, but I guess the haters will find some fault somewhere again.

HawthorneKitty said:
I guess you're another one of those people really against violence. If you ran into that kind of situation, I'm sure giving a stern warning and waving your finger will do the job.

If you keep comparing the light novels to the anime I bet you'll be disappointed in some way or another, just like with pretty much any theatrical adaptation of a book.

Besides, what you are saying is coming from somebody that has Haruhi as their favorite character. We're not haters, you're just loving her too much.

Charliehsv said:


It would do the job better than punching someone with your fists. You can resolve that situation in many ways, without hurting someone, and without resorting to the stren warning and finger pointing which you seem to love to use as a stereotype.
I, in the first place, wouldn't have gotten nearly as angry in any case.

Uh, I wasn't comparing them. But my bad, I should have written anime instead of series, since that's what I meant. Point was that in even anime only viewers should have noticed that she cares a great deal for her bridage members.

Eh no, I wouldn't say so. I never denied that she tends to do seemingly selfish things, but just writing her off as a "bitch" is so shallow since there's much more to her character. But I guess the easiest way to dismiss anyone's argument is to simply call that person a fanboy. Oh well.

Charliehsv said:


It would do the job better than punching someone with your fists. You can resolve that situation in many ways, without hurting someone, and without resorting to the stren warning and finger pointing which you seem to love to use as a stereotype.


Uh, I wasn't comparing them. But my bad, I should have written anime instead of series, since that's what I meant. Point was that in even anime only viewers should have noticed that she cares a great deal for her bridage members.

Eh no, I wouldn't say so. I never denied that she tends to do seemingly selfish things, but just writing her off as a "bitch" is so shallow since there's much more to her character. But I guess the easiest way to dismiss anyone's argument is to simply call that person a fanboy. Oh well.

Lvhina said:
someone needs speech lessons to control that stutter ><

usasoldiern said:
This. I agree with Charliehsv, to just write off Haruhi as a "bitch" is completely missing the point of some of the episodes in the first season (the "God Knows" episode, for example) that showed the viewer that there is much much more to Haruhi's character.

Conversely, this episode shows a bit of the "worse" side of Kyon's personality. But, I don't think it was that scene in particular that pissed him off, I think that all the events up until that scene added up to his anger and,well, he just exploded.

HawthorneKitty said:
SO with past occurrences that we have seen, you're just going to ignore this episode and her extremely "bitchy" demeanor? Obviously she's not a 2-d character, being a main character and all, but you can't say that she was not a "bitch" in this episode.

usasoldiern said:


No, she most definitely was in the wrong. But, you can't ignore the fact that Kyon was most definitely going to hit her.. and hit her considerably harder than the tap Haruhi gave to Mikuru, if Koizumi hadn't stopped him.

But, you know, this episode and arc sort of puts some of the scenes from the latter half of season one in perspective. And, I absolutely refuse to use the word "bitch" to describe Haruhi there is so much more to her than that.

HawthorneKitty said:
So you're implying that words are enough to stop a character such as Haruhi? It might not be the absolutely best way to resolve problems, but you can see uneasiness just oozing out of Mikuru. I use the warning thing because nobody else will come up with another way to stop Haruhi, so please enlighten me with a new way. If you would have not got as angry as Kyon has, you must not have seen that much in life, or made a strong connection with somebody in real life.

I'm not denying that she cares about her members, bu honestly, would you want to be treated that way? Even if it was the spur of the moment, Haruhi's actions and diction were extremely uncalled for. Obviously she needs to learn that what she does can affect others around her.

I don't know it just isn't convincing with somebody that has the following: Favorite Anime - Haruhi, Favorite Character - Haruhi, Favorite Voice Actor - Aya Hirano. I'm not saying that being is a fanboy is bad, but somtimes you need to notice that your favorite whatever has plenty of bad points when they are thrown right into your face and not just covering it with all the virtues of the whatever it is.

Mikiyo said:
Don't mind me, I'm not Mikuru's or either Haruhi's fanboy, I don't like em' at all, but how's she's being a slutter? She's just doing what Haruhi says, yet some people here says she's responsible of all the events that just ocurred in Tsuruya's house. She is a tool.

Mikiyo said:
I could swear I saw slutter, ArarararararararagiLvhina-san.

noteDhero said:


So overall, I disliked it, 2/5. Clearly not the best episode, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody still gets my vote by a wide margin, since it's the only totally necessary episode of the show. I would have liked to have seen parts of this arc in the first season, but here, it's just taking up way too much time.

Charliehsv said:
Words have been enough to stop her often enough before. With the right choice of words I'm confident that he could have stopped her. Or, he could have for example grabbed her arm, like Koizumi did to him when he was about to hit her (Kyon even did a similar thing earlier during the Sigh and it turned out just fine).
Still a million times better than beating her. And beating her because she called Mikuru a toy? Do you punch everyone who says things that annoy you?
Yeah, and go ahead and make assumptions about me and my relationships with people IRL. -_-

Yes, spiking the drink and such was completely uncalled for. Still, that doesn't justify Kyon's actions either. It's not the fact that he got angry that I mind - but trying to hit someone, especially with a clenched fist, is crossing the line by a wide wide margin.

I never said that she had a perfect personality - she too has her flaws like all the characters in this series. Don't put words into my mouth.

vinesage said:
Somebody sure is trying his hardest to stamp "bitch" on Haruhi's face :D

Oh, words from people who have anything related to Haruhi on their favorites cannot convince you? lol...may I ask, did you come to the wrong thread here? Even the topic has Haruhi in it after all ^^

well, but so true...instead of choosing headless moe-blob characters (oora? ui?) as favorite, I chose the ultimate bitch Haruhi, who can do (seemingly?) nothing else than annoying the hell of other people...man, what was I thinking?? That was some huge failure on my part to even consider her other not-so-obvious characters...

noteDhero said:
@Kaioshin_Sama
The problem is, in the case of Haruhi (as opposed to the Key crap, Munto, and K-On), the source seems to be good and solid. The first season was good, and Bamboo was good despite also being filler technically (it was wasn't it?). It was Kadokowa and KyoAni's decision to dig up content they felt unneeded for the first season, take one arc and do the same episode 8 times, and make a season out of it. It's a failure of production and not source material. But then, the light novels could end up being terrible for all I know.

Kaioshin_Sama said:


Gotta agree with you there again 100%. It's kind of like they felt they had done an insufficient first season (let's face it the first seasons narrative is bloody choppy even if viewed in chronological order) and tried to go back and augment it with these new episodes to fill in the gaps and just made it even less compelling thanks to horrible decision making. I don't think it comes down to the fact that they might think they can cash in and profit on it regardless, this is just like bad planning pure and simple.

Amy said:
Wow, intense. I'm glad Kyon was that angry because Haruhi was utterly out of control, and it was clear when she threw her friend into a probably disease ridden pool. If that wasn't obvious enough, Haruhi straight out says Mikuru is her toy.

People make too many exceptions for Haruhi because she's a god. That power means that is more of a need for people to teach her to be mature. In this episode, she insinuated that she doesn't respect anyone, and Kyon's right, no one will want to be around her in the future if no one in the present stands up to her behavior.

Siva said:
I am disappointed!

Wasn't Kyoani being praised as a miracle studio when it comes to reset ending?
Why can't they just let us see Kyon punching Haruhi in the face and reset it back later on?
Come on, even if it just Kyon imagine I would love to see it done at least once.

Siva said:
I am disappointed!

Wasn't Kyoani being praised as a miracle studio when it comes to reset ending?
Why can't they just let us see Kyon punching Haruhi in the face and reset it back later on?
Come on, even if it just Kyon imagine I would love to see it done at least once.