The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (light novel)
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UnknownFact said: Am I the only person to start to NOT like Haruhi at all? She's incredibly selfish what an unreasonable woman... She's always been a selfish bitch. Which make her an interesting and kinda cute character though. Great ep with a great drama scene and a great reconciliation scene at the end. Nice direction too. vinesage said: ps: is it just me or does that the "fight" scene in Tsuruyas room seem like totally made in 3D? maybe its because the light effect etc.... (i prefer 2D drawings much better) It was due to light effects, but that definitely seemed strange, you're right. |
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| Well, Haruhi's crossed from being a bitch to being the biggest bitch in the whole, wide world. Can't blame Kyon for snapping. =P |
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FlashFumo said: Well, Haruhi's crossed from being a bitch to being the biggest bitch in the whole, wide world. Can't blame Kyon for snapping. =P Mmm, but how many people think that are also obsessed with Asahina... so kind of biased opinion. :-p I personally think kyon is the idiot, his inner dialogue really starts to annoy me. |
| I loved this episode so much! It almost made me forget the Endless Eight arc. Intense! <3 cherry blossom in fall because Haruhi wants to<3 |
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| Yep, it's a tense epi. Poor Mikuru. I did want to punch Haruhi on her face myself too, but seeing the ponytail made me almost forgive her immediately... |
Lvhina said: FlashFumo said: Well, Haruhi's crossed from being a bitch to being the biggest bitch in the whole, wide world. Can't blame Kyon for snapping. =P Mmm, but how many people think that are also obsessed with Asahina... so kind of biased opinion. :-p I personally think kyon is the idiot, his inner dialogue really starts to annoy me. we heard you the first 2 times :\ Might as well get used to it, Kyon never leaves this mode, ever |
| I'm not that annoyed by Kyon's inner dialogue. Some of the things he says are wise and clever. I'm more annoyed by... Koizumi. He just goes on and on about his theories of Haruhi. He's smart too, but he really talks a lot. I can also tell that Kyon is annoyed by him too. |
| O.O wow I wonder what kind of hell Haruhi would have unleash if she had gotten slap by Kyon, she would have totally deserve it. You don't spike your friend drink this is a big no no! |
| As much as I didn't like the idea of Asahina's drink being spiked. It was hilarious seeing her all drunk. If Kyon bitch-slapped Haruhi, pretty much the world will EXPLODE. |
| People should really stand up to Haruhi more often. This was pretty satisfying. |
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| it looks like Haruhi has completely gone over to the "bad-side" after this episode, but Why? all I read is Haruhi is a "selfish b*tch or Kyon should have seriously slapped her on the face" I wonder why everyone is coming to this quite extreme same conclusion, if you look at the events from a 3rd-party view, e.g. from the view point of Nagato, this is what happened: (put a spoiler in case you dont want to waste time reading things you have already seen:) if I read these events, I can hardly understand why people reacted so extreme against Haruhi and call her the "selfish b*tch". There is no doubt that the feeling of viewer is being very strongly manipulated in this episode - namely by the use of camera (special perspectives and movement) and BGM! The viewers are deliberately forced into the perspective of Kyon, thus why taking his point of view unconsciously. If you dont specially pay attention to the BackGroundMusic, you might get the feeling that sometimes the BGM kind of doesnt fit with scene -- because the exact BGM is used only according to Kyon's mood. This happened during the last 2 or 3 Sigh episodes as well. Therefore I think Haruhi is done injustice, basically because of Kyon. ps: oh, i forgot to mention it was Kyon who started the fight. |
vinesageSep 4, 2009 10:25 AM
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| wondering~ why kyon want to protect mikuru~ and i think kyon likes mikuru but not love i think~ ^_^ and i just remeber~ if haruhi jealous to mikuru and two of them not become lover something like that~ and mikuri said kinda "if that happen im not gonna"~ wat is the nxt sentence? i think is "exist?" daughter of kyon and haruhi~ XD ^_^ it's okay if u said im wrong~ ^_^ oh well it's just my suspicion~ XD |
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| Best episode of the 2nd season by FAR. |
vinesage said: I'm sorry you must be extremely retarded fanboy to say this, go read the novels and you'll notice that its related from Kyon's perspective, she was hitting Asahina's head while she was drunk AND NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON AND HOW, she was hurting her while calling her a "Toy" in front of Kyon. So go and grab your silly conclusions and pray to your Haruhi's wallposter. The perspective in this episode was the same as well as in the novel, exactly this way. He was about to hit her and if Koizumi wouldn't have been there he could have been done it. Haruhi is a selfish bitch and everyone knows it, defending her won't make a difference unless you're a fanboy, deny it or not, thats how she is.if I read these events, I can hardly understand why people reacted so extreme against Haruhi and call her the "selfish b*tch". There is no doubt that the feeling of viewer is being very strongly manipulated in this episode |
game8910 said: we heard you the first 2 times : Might as well get used to it, Kyon never leaves this mode, ever I'm just trying to understand. People are getting annoyed by Haruhi? Um if she didn't have this attitude there would be no Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu to begin with. Kyon wasn't as annoying as the first season, mainly because the second season has 75% of its dialogue of him talking to himself. After glancing through this thread it realized how pointless it became because I just see alot of Asahina fanboys willing to jump off their rocker at any "moe" moment or any moment she gets hurt. Its kind of like people being mad only at Haruhi when she spiked the drink. When it's the same instance when Nagato had her hand damanged (even though she can still repair it) TWICE because Asahina is neglectful in keeping her eye closed. It's just people playing favorite only based on MOE. Mikiyo said: She was hitting Asahina's head while she was drunk AND NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON AND HOW, she was hurting her while calling her a "Toy" in front of Kyon..........Haruhi is a selfish bitch and everyone knows it, defending her won't make a difference unless you're a fanboy, deny it or not, thats how she is. PERFECT EXAMPLE of what I stated before. Kind of like, its OK for Asahina shoot beams out of her eye on TWO occasions towards Nagato because she couldn't keep her eyes closed. (I know nagato repaired but the fact is asahina is neglectful). However when Haruhi does something mean to her everyone jumps to hate Haruhi. |
LvhinaSep 4, 2009 11:45 AM
| Poor Asahina, feel a bit bad for her =/ BTW am I only only one who find that Tsuruya character to be a bit "disturbing" to say the least? =P |
Mikiyo said: I will raise an objection and say that Haruhi is not "a selfish bitch" (although she can act like one, like when she was hitting Mikuru). IMHO, she's incredibly insecure, tremendously afraid of the world not being a bright, shiny and wonderful place, and thinks that if she doesn't force herself upon others, nobody will care about/respect her (which works, but not for the reason that she thinks it does).vinesage said: I'm sorry you must be extremely retarded fanboy to say this, go read the novels and you'll notice that its related from Kyon's perspective, she was hitting Asahina's head while she was drunk AND NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON AND HOW, she was hurting her while calling her a "Toy" in front of Kyon. So go and grab your silly conclusions and pray to your Haruhi's wallposter. The perspective in this episode was the same as well as in the novel, exactly this way. He was about to hit her and if Koizumi wouldn't have been there he could have been done it. Haruhi is a selfish bitch and everyone knows it, defending her won't make a difference unless you're a fanboy, deny it or not, thats how she is.if I read these events, I can hardly understand why people reacted so extreme against Haruhi and call her the "selfish b*tch". There is no doubt that the feeling of viewer is being very strongly manipulated in this episode Also, Haruhi holding hair in pigtail when Kyon burst in was so... I cannot think of words to describe it atm. |
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Mikiyo said: wow, real surprise! you have read the novel and i havent, and you calling me fanboy, gj! I'm sorry you must be extremely retarded fanboy to say this, go read the novels and you'll notice that its related from Kyon's perspective, she was hitting Asahina's head while she was drunk AND NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON AND HOW, she was hurting her while calling her a "Toy" in front of Kyon. So go and grab your silly conclusions and pray to your Haruhi's wallposter. The perspective in this episode was the same as well as in the novel, exactly this way. He was about to hit her and if Koizumi wouldn't have been there he could have been done it. Haruhi is a selfish bitch and everyone knows it, defending her won't make a difference unless you're a fanboy, deny it or not, thats how she is. So... reason why you are calling Haruhi a bitch is because she was hitting mikuru on the head with that plastic thing? I suggest you need to watch that scene again to see how much that must have hurt.  Is it truly a reason to get so worked up like Kyon? or maybe you are a Mikuru-fanboy?? oh, I get it. it is really easy to call someone a fanboy to completely ignore his logic. You dont even need to turn on your brain after that (if you have one...) :-) I see i dont need to reason with you. |
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| Because its okay to hit the head of a drunk person. No need to say anymore, that sentense on itself makes the topic. Your logic is totally messed up. |
| so we have some kind of broken fanbase. one is cheering for haruhi and another is for kyon. 1. both of them are jealous in this episode. 2. kyoani made it so that we can feel the tense relationship of both of them. so good episode (today i don't feel like watching any animes more) vinesage said: So... reason why you are calling Haruhi a bitch is because she was hitting mikuru on the head with that plastic thing? I suggest you need to watch that scene again to see how much that must have hurt. just quoting. but it's not only in this episode. haruhi humiliates mikuru since day one. mikuru only never resistes because there's is always the possibility that the world will be doomed. (also itsuki, yuki, heck everyone won't do anything) |
MariejoannaSep 4, 2009 12:58 PM
| Suddenly, a great episode. |
| I wasn't into cheering for Haruhi. My main point of the post 2h before was to suggest another perspective of how to look at these events, aka through an uninvolved third party perspective, not influenced by the special camera settings and odd BGM - then one might discover something else than rage. But well, seems like I totally failed, my bad :D |
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| First of all everybody who is getting so worked up over a SHOW (itz not real buddy lol) are lames who is taking a show wayy too seriously but hey i don't judge animies (this one especially) tends to make people feel strong emotions... Before i say what i think...people already think im a bitch so...dat may have something to do with why im on Haruhi's side.. Now for my opinion we all have watch dis series since season 1 we all know how haruhi is...so dis is not a surprise ! Infact i found it funny when Mikuru was gettin (as some of yall would put it) SO CRUELLY TORTURED BY THE DEVEL HERSELF lol Yea poor Mikuru always the victim nd poor haruhi the one whos always wrong and gets blamed thats always how it goes.... I glade Kyon didnt hit her cuz haruhi obviously likes him alot and how would you feel if the one you love hurt you physically. So since everyone else is taking sides im taking haruhi's side Forgive me if that made no sense lol ^^ |
| koizumi shudda just stayed where he was and let kyon bitchslap haruhi the world would end as we know it and we all win |
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Lvhina said: Mikiyo said: She was hitting Asahina's head while she was drunk AND NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON AND HOW, she was hurting her while calling her a "Toy" in front of Kyon..........Haruhi is a selfish bitch and everyone knows it, defending her won't make a difference unless you're a fanboy, deny it or not, thats how she is. PERFECT EXAMPLE of what I stated before. Kind of like, its OK for Asahina shoot beams out of her eye on TWO occasions towards Nagato because she couldn't keep her eyes closed. (I know nagato repaired but the fact is asahina is neglectful). However when Haruhi does something mean to her everyone jumps to hate Haruhi. Yeah, because it was totally Asahina's fault for having laser-contact-lenses without any warning, right? Anyway, I thought Haruhi was a selfish b*itch from the very first episode on, this episode was just the epitome. And since everyone is riding every detail to death to defend random positions... no, Lvhina, I don't like Asahina, she's annoying as hell, almost as annoying as Haruhi herself. |
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Lilladyk said: So I guess you found that Haruhi's actions in this episode were not a bit more extreme compared to just making Mikuru dress up in outfits? If you found this funny, go to some parties and get drunk, then do something you really would never do. Son't worry, everyone will think it's funny. Now for my opinion we all have watch dis series since season 1 we all know how haruhi is...so dis is not a surprise ! Infact i found it funny when Mikuru was gettin (as some of yall would put it) SO CRUELLY TORTURED BY THE DEVEL HERSELF lol Yea poor Mikuru always the victim nd poor haruhi the one whos always wrong and gets blamed thats always how it goes.... I glade Kyon didnt hit her cuz haruhi obviously likes him alot and how would you feel if the one you love hurt you physically. So since everyone else is taking sides im taking haruhi's side Forgive me if that made no sense lol ^^ Sometimes people need to be hit back into reality, and Haruhi really needed a punch in the face or a slap or something. Morally speaking, she totally stepped out of line, calling people "toys". |
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HawthorneKitty said: So I guess you found that Haruhi's actions in this episode were not a bit more extreme compared to just making Mikuru dress up in outfits? If you found this funny, go to some parties and get drunk, then do something you really would never do. Son't worry, everyone will think it's funny. Sometimes people need to be hit back into reality, and Haruhi really needed a punch in the face or a slap or something. Morally speaking, she totally stepped out of line, calling people "toys". I don't see how you'd condone Kyon smacking or punching Haruhi, if you consider calling people "toys" morally wrong. Haruhi was definitely acting like a spoiled brat, but Kyon was a fool for raising his fist. And spiking the drink may have been extreme (which I don't really think it is. What's a little prank among friends), but Haruhi just suggested it. I don't see anyone blaming Tsuruya for actually being the one to do it. Thank god for Koizumi. He's been money all season long. vinesage said: I think you have it right vinesage. Haruhi's definitely spoiled and is adamant about getting her way. But when people have pushed back, she's relented and listened. When people have agreed to follow along, like Mikuru and the pond, or Tsuruya and the sake, everyone still blames Haruhi for acting like a monster. No one gives her credit for being flexible, which she's been proven to be going all the way back to season 1. |
rabbitpoets said: So are you one of those people extremely against violence? Would you have just given Haruhi a scolding and leave it off at that? Why was Kyon's action a fool's?I don't see how you'd condone Kyon smacking or punching Haruhi, if you consider calling people "toys" morally wrong. Haruhi was definitely acting like a spoiled brat, but Kyon was a fool for raising his fist. And spiking the drink may have been extreme (which I don't really think it is. What's a little prank among friends), but Haruhi just suggested it. I don't see anyone blaming Tsuruya for actually being the one to do it. Lets just pretend you had a daughter. Eh, no harm done, her friends just specifically spiked her drink and is making out with one of those friends, it's okay, they're friends and everyone's having a good time. Tsuruya is at fault too, but it still traces back to Haruhi. She said she was sorry, and that was about 100000 times better than how haruhi responded. I understand it's not her character to apologize, and we can probably infer that she would never say it in the first place, but just seeing it makes me cringe. |
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| Haruhi acted like a bitch, Kyon should have hit her D: Nonetheless, a really good episode. :) |
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| Kyon reaction was normal but not doing anything at all is also wrong. still Kyon would done something else to show that he had enough.....out of character yes, good thing that he realize what he did and tried to do something about it. |
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| o KYON MAD =D |
| Finally. It's taken this long to get an episode as good as Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody |
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| Kyon seems to seriously be the only sensible man not only out of his club, but out of the entire world. |
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| Yuki gave Mikuru another naisu hito! It was interesting to see Kyon and Haruhi arguing over Mikuru. |
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| Kyon should have smacked Haruhi. Seriously. Even if it ended the world, she deserved it this episode. >: Besides that, great ep. |
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| Good episode, but I'm kinda over this show...I seriously think Endless Eight killed it for me. I'm so sick of Haruhi. xD |
Kyon rage was surprising and epic intenseness. Super kawaii and her effect on surroundings increasing. I love how simple language, hides like deeper meaning. Love/hate relationship. |
| Ah yes, this is one of the few scenes where I was pretty dissapointed by Kyon while reading the novels. Trying to punch someone like that , especially a girl, is something only an idiot would do. And Haruhi being a selfish bitch? There are countless of scenes in the novels and in the series which prove the contrary. I don't know what you were doing while watching/reading them but you clearly weren't paying attention. In any case, great episode, but I guess the haters will find some fault somewhere again. |
yakisobapanSep 4, 2009 3:59 PM
| Hm, I don't get annoyed with Haruhi much, but her actions in this ep kind of bugged me. Similarly, I can't believe Kyon was going to hit her. Both of them disappointed me, lol. Funny how Kyon gets jealous of Koizumi so easily. He's becoming quite annoying. |
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Charliehsv said: I guess you're another one of those people really against violence. If you ran into that kind of situation, I'm sure giving a stern warning and waving your finger will do the job.Ah yes, this is one of the few scenes where I was pretty dissapointed by Kyon while reading the novels. Trying to punch someone like that , especially a girl, is something only an idiot would do. And Haruhi being a selfish bitch? There are countless of scenes in the novels and in the series which prove the contrary. I don't know what you were doing while watching/reading them but you clearly weren't paying attention. In any case, great episode, but I guess the haters will find some fault somewhere again. If you keep comparing the light novels to the anime I bet you'll be disappointed in some way or another, just like with pretty much any theatrical adaptation of a book. Besides, what you are saying is coming from somebody that has Haruhi as their favorite character. We're not haters, you're just loving her too much. |
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HawthorneKitty said: Charliehsv said: I guess you're another one of those people really against violence. If you ran into that kind of situation, I'm sure giving a stern warning and waving your finger will do the job.Ah yes, this is one of the few scenes where I was pretty dissapointed by Kyon while reading the novels. Trying to punch someone like that , especially a girl, is something only an idiot would do. And Haruhi being a selfish bitch? There are countless of scenes in the novels and in the series which prove the contrary. I don't know what you were doing while watching/reading them but you clearly weren't paying attention. In any case, great episode, but I guess the haters will find some fault somewhere again. If you keep comparing the light novels to the anime I bet you'll be disappointed in some way or another, just like with pretty much any theatrical adaptation of a book. Besides, what you are saying is coming from somebody that has Haruhi as their favorite character. We're not haters, you're just loving her too much. It would do the job better than punching someone with your fists. You can resolve that situation in many ways, without hurting someone, and without resorting to the stren warning and finger pointing which you seem to love to use as a stereotype. Uh, I wasn't comparing them. But my bad, I should have written anime instead of series, since that's what I meant. Point was that in even anime only viewers should have noticed that she cares a great deal for her bridage members. Eh no, I wouldn't say so. I never denied that she tends to do seemingly selfish things, but just writing her off as a "bitch" is so shallow since there's much more to her character. But I guess the easiest way to dismiss anyone's argument is to simply call that person a fanboy. Oh well. |
yakisobapanSep 4, 2009 4:46 PM
| All in all , people call haruhi a bitch because they are obsessed with asahina.... and kyon fits in with the obsession too. (so its obvious to see people showing favoritism in defense of asahina and kyon) It's not like all the characters are perfect ... sure haruhi might "live in her own world" (but hell that revolves around the story right?) so because of that she might act the way she does.... and kyon does everything half-assed to the point which he should just punch himself, as for asahina.... someone needs speech lessons to control that stutter >< |
LvhinaSep 4, 2009 4:45 PM
Charliehsv said: So you're implying that words are enough to stop a character such as Haruhi? It might not be the absolutely best way to resolve problems, but you can see uneasiness just oozing out of Mikuru. I use the warning thing because nobody else will come up with another way to stop Haruhi, so please enlighten me with a new way. If you would have not got as angry as Kyon has, you must not have seen that much in life, or made a strong connection with somebody in real life.HawthorneKitty said: Charliehsv said: I guess you're another one of those people really against violence. If you ran into that kind of situation, I'm sure giving a stern warning and waving your finger will do the job.Ah yes, this is one of the few scenes where I was pretty dissapointed by Kyon while reading the novels. Trying to punch someone like that , especially a girl, is something only an idiot would do. And Haruhi being a selfish bitch? There are countless of scenes in the novels and in the series which prove the contrary. I don't know what you were doing while watching/reading them but you clearly weren't paying attention. In any case, great episode, but I guess the haters will find some fault somewhere again. If you keep comparing the light novels to the anime I bet you'll be disappointed in some way or another, just like with pretty much any theatrical adaptation of a book. Besides, what you are saying is coming from somebody that has Haruhi as their favorite character. We're not haters, you're just loving her too much. It would do the job better than punching someone with your fists. You can resolve that situation in many ways, without hurting someone, and without resorting to the stren warning and finger pointing which you seem to love to use as a stereotype. I, in the first place, wouldn't have gotten nearly as angry in any case. Uh, I wasn't comparing them. But my bad, I should have written anime instead of series, since that's what I meant. Point was that in even anime only viewers should have noticed that she cares a great deal for her bridage members. Eh no, I wouldn't say so. I never denied that she tends to do seemingly selfish things, but just writing her off as a "bitch" is so shallow since there's much more to her character. But I guess the easiest way to dismiss anyone's argument is to simply call that person a fanboy. Oh well. I'm not denying that she cares about her members, bu honestly, would you want to be treated that way? Even if it was the spur of the moment, Haruhi's actions and diction were extremely uncalled for. Obviously she needs to learn that what she does can affect others around her. I don't know it just isn't convincing with somebody that has the following: Favorite Anime - Haruhi, Favorite Character - Haruhi, Favorite Voice Actor - Aya Hirano. I'm not saying that being is a fanboy is bad, but somtimes you need to notice that your favorite whatever has plenty of bad points when they are thrown right into your face and not just covering it with all the virtues of the whatever it is. |
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| I luved it~ :3 The fight between Kyon and Haruhi was so cute in a way~ Although, the sake was unreasonable DX |
Charliehsv said: HawthorneKitty said: Charliehsv said: I guess you're another one of those people really against violence. If you ran into that kind of situation, I'm sure giving a stern warning and waving your finger will do the job.Ah yes, this is one of the few scenes where I was pretty dissapointed by Kyon while reading the novels. Trying to punch someone like that , especially a girl, is something only an idiot would do. And Haruhi being a selfish bitch? There are countless of scenes in the novels and in the series which prove the contrary. I don't know what you were doing while watching/reading them but you clearly weren't paying attention. In any case, great episode, but I guess the haters will find some fault somewhere again. If you keep comparing the light novels to the anime I bet you'll be disappointed in some way or another, just like with pretty much any theatrical adaptation of a book. Besides, what you are saying is coming from somebody that has Haruhi as their favorite character. We're not haters, you're just loving her too much. It would do the job better than punching someone with your fists. You can resolve that situation in many ways, without hurting someone, and without resorting to the stren warning and finger pointing which you seem to love to use as a stereotype. Uh, I wasn't comparing them. But my bad, I should have written anime instead of series, since that's what I meant. Point was that in even anime only viewers should have noticed that she cares a great deal for her bridage members. Eh no, I wouldn't say so. I never denied that she tends to do seemingly selfish things, but just writing her off as a "bitch" is so shallow since there's much more to her character. But I guess the easiest way to dismiss anyone's argument is to simply call that person a fanboy. Oh well. This. I agree with Charliehsv, to just write off Haruhi as a "bitch" is completely missing the point of some of the episodes in the first season (the "God Knows" episode, for example) that showed the viewer that there is much much more to Haruhi's character. Conversely, this episode shows a bit of the "worse" side of Kyon's personality. But, I don't think it was that scene in particular that pissed him off, I think that all the events up until that scene added up to his anger and,well, he just exploded. |
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