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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Another good episode. Excellent pace, great reactions and worldenddominator. A shame the You are incompetent line was cut though.  |
LunarEmeraldSep 2, 2009 4:03 PM
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| I really liked Rosa's expressions this time, although I still hate her more than any other character in Umineko... And piece-Battler was nice too... But the most awesome was Gohda :D I like him more and more. Maybe I should stop listening to Happy Maria all the time XD |
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| If they don't use worldenddominator during this: I have no hope for this anime. |
DenwaSep 2, 2009 3:43 PM
MarthX said: A shame the You are incompetent line was cut though. it really is a shame. I was so sure that they would keep that line. And it would make all the Battler haters happy. Gohda is so funny. Beelzebub's voice is even more annoying than Asmo's but I guess it doesn't matter since she won't be in it much. I'm still really suspicious of George for this arc. |
| Somebody post a link to the raw please. |
titanguy654 said: Somebody post a link to the raw please. http://up.b9dm.com/lz/11355.html |
hirahira said: titanguy654 said: Somebody post a link to the raw please. http://up.b9dm.com/lz/11355.html Thanks. :) |
| I liked it. The ending scene with Beato and her minions was perfectly creepy. Is the next episode the last of the arc? And if so... |
| *Cough* Join the Gohda Fanclub *cough* |
| worldenddominator <3 That's all I have to declare, I hope they'll use this for... Edit: Sorry, spoiler tag added. |
NeverSleepSep 2, 2009 7:02 PM
| MARIA LOOKS KYUTE IN THIS EPISODE OH NO I TURNING INTO LOLICON |
| there was thrill at the end but in the middle of episode, it just didnt feel right. and i can definitely confirm it by now (if i havent already done) that Battler is for sure one of the biggest dumbass in this show. all his reactions just feel sooo unnatural and simply idiotic most of the time. i just cannot put myself into his shoes i guess. and yeah, i am also quite positive i will follow this show till the end, not that I want to find out the real murderer myself (anymore) or I have any great expectation though (just...somehow on the same interest-level as princess-lover and i do somehow like it lol) |
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| Their expressions were just so awesome in this episode aswell ! This was so well-paced that I really enjoyed watching this. But Battler is annoying >__< |
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Frostwake said: Meh < thats how I feel about umineko If only the show took itself seriously, it might actually be good, but now I just watch it for mindless entertainment like Needless and such Theres so much unecessary crap in this anime, beatrice evil laughs, maria evil faces, every woman having huge boobs, and so on, its like they tried placing every cliche in the same anime Higurashi was WAY better than this, in every way possible Umineko would be fun if there was actually a chance that no magic was used, but give me a break, goatmen, flying daggers, golden butterflies? Lol, not even David Copperfield could pull that off Theres no way they can get a realistic explanation for that, which is why Im already getting ready for the disappointment to come Without magic, there is no difference between Umineko and tons of other standard murder mysteries. It's the "witches" factor that makes Umineko unique. And about the "cliches" you mentioned, Higurashi has all of them too. |
Frostwake said: Meh < thats how I feel about umineko If only the show took itself seriously, it might actually be good, but now I just watch it for mindless entertainment like Needless and such Theres so much unecessary crap in this anime, beatrice evil laughs, maria evil faces, every woman having huge boobs, and so on, its like they tried placing every cliche in the same anime Higurashi was WAY better than this, in every way possible Umineko would be fun if there was actually a chance that no magic was used, but give me a break, goatmen, flying daggers, golden butterflies? Lol, not even David Copperfield could pull that off Theres no way they can get a realistic explanation for that, which is why Im already getting ready for the disappointment to come You shouldn't believe everything you see in Umineko...especially if it's related to magic. Everything that wasn't said in red can't be considered as truth. And yeah, as 4saken_762 said, Higurashi had all the cliches too... big boob characters, cute souding lolies, lot of moe characters etc. |
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| I just remember that a lot of people hated Higurashi around now and then grew to like it eventually. Anyway, silly screen caps!  Damn, that's a cute face...  I was reading some weird incest vibes at that part like "Okay why is she running her fingers through his hair?" :P  "Watashi wa Kira desu..." or if you like, "JUST AS PLANNED!" |
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garfield15 said: I just remember that a lot of people hated Higurashi around now and then grew to like it eventually. Yeah, and a lot others watched it (ss1) just because of the violence. |
Denwa said: I have no hope for this anime. EDIT: |
DarkiiSep 3, 2009 6:46 AM
| Very interesting episode scriptwise. I see less and less who could be the culprit, if not Beatrice. Only Kinzo remains as a plausible - and logical - culprit now, since he hasn't been found dead anywhere in the first two chapters (that would be the same pattern as Miyo in HnnKn, but well...) and is obviously the most suspicious character out of all the family. In terms of direction, developments, music etc... it was quite good, but nothing more. |
 In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
| Rushed !?!? That's what we should fear for the next episode. This ep is too slow. |
| the prim suspects havent changed for me after this episode, it is still Rosa and Genji, whereas Rosa being the one "behind the scene" and genji fulfilling the "killer" role (it suites his character as well) and shanon being the "helper of killer" :D according to this, it is very naturally to suggest kanon is as well one of them, but the red word says he is dead already so there might be something tricky happened to why shanon is still "helping" after kanon died. Based on the wolf and sheep story. wolves only have chance when they gain majority of the area. There were 5 people in the room last episode. the 2 killed are suggested to be sheep and the other three (Genji, gohda, shanon) suggested to be wolves, which fits the story. But Gohda died this episode, which is what i was expecting, due to the way how he reacted after that killing, it was suggesting he wasnt one of the culprits but was simply too foolish and got tricked (by the real murderer('s accomplice)) Of course theres the other explanation that gohda is indeed one of the culprits but he freaked out after the murder and the others are afraid that he might lose control, therefore he got killed before he talks too much (though personally Im not for this one) lets say if gohda is not one of the culprits, then it would fit with those exact words and how he described the murder scene of the doctor and the old woman. he didnt tell battler and rosa it was kanon but he said it was someone covered in wound. It was Genji who suggested the person might be Kanon. And Gohda didnt mention any kind of magic sword, which should be the first thing anyone would talk about if it really happened (therefore it didnt). So if at least half of those is true, then George would be the next one to die, and shanon with him, because he is the next one to be thrown into a "wolf majority" area (coincidentally the opposite of what Rosa said. :D ) ps: I didnt want to do this, but seems like I end up speculating again ... :-) |
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| Damn, since i played eps 4 and watch this episode, i now hate Rosa more and more. Aww man, BattlerxMaria scene were did wonderfully !! That scene was really adorable !! What to be ashamed is that Beelzebub didn't shows up properly |
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| lolz for some funny reason i had to lol at the part when he tried locking the door but was no use while panicking |
ashkon77 said: Anyone else dissapointed that... I don't see how Rosa saying goodbye to the servants for a minute is more important than that. It's so you're like: oh, Rosa is being nice. Maybe she's not so bad after all. Then in the next scene she shows that she was bullshitting them and doesn't care. Stark contrast to Natsuhi, who actually did care and felt bad. |
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ClearSinz said: lolz for some funny reason i had to lol at the part when he tried locking the door but was no use while panicking I was, too. xD Nice episode. |
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| Another bad episode. Battler is always so over the top and cliche in his actions, that even if he's doing something as simple as stopping Rosa from slapping Maria and then giving her a hug, it comes off as fake and contrived. By the way...weren't Maria's hands as big as Battlers? There are two things going on in my head right now: 1) The murders on this board were the cause of humans and the mastermind is Rosa with Nanjo and Shannon (without either knowing about the other), except that if everything carries over from the real murder to the "game" then they died in real life. And there really is no explanation for fake Kanon. 2) Magic is real, and it's just unfortunate that it's presented in such a hokey way. I find it really ridiculous that none of the three servants could properly convey what happened (or at least what they saw) in that room. That really made me extra suspicious for all of them. Is it so hard to say that someone who looked like Kannon tried to kill them but was defeated by a spiderweb, and killed two of them in the process? And I'm pretty sure that letter wasn't there when they walked in the room and did that overhead shot, but Rosa just acted like it wasn't a surprise and opened the letter. My thing is that since the "magic" stuff is going on totally unexplained, I just don't trust this game board at all, so it's a bust. The most important thing I took out of the episode is what Maria said about magic needing to take a risk for the pay off to be big. At any rate, I'm almost determined to believe the opposite of what Battler thinks at any given time. |
| Gohda's voice actor is annoying beyond words. |
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| Something that was left out. Battler: "I've finally started to see it... Eat this Beato! Repeat it! 'There's no one in this room other than us!' What do you think?!! You can't say it, right?! Beatrice: " Hoh... hoh....!" Battler: "I'll bet I hit you were it hurts. If you refuse, say you refuse, damn it! Here comes the next one!! Repeat it!!" Beatrice: No one exists in this room except all of you. All of you refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa Genji, Gohda, and Shannon. Battler: "...wha..." Beatrice: "Let's go back to Jessica's room. When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kuwasama, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room. Whoops, the corpse of Jessica is also included. Therefore, both in the case in Jessica's room and this case in the servants' room, no humans exist that you weren't aware of. No one is hiding. "and I'll say more. No method exists by which the door can be locked from the outside without using a key. Regarding the window, no method exists by which it could somehow be locked from the outside. "And let me say this. You are incompetent! *cackle* hi-hihihihihihihihihihihi!! |
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garfield15 said: "Watashi wa Kira desu..." or if you like, "JUST AS PLANNED!" EL OH EL. The Battler/Maria scene was cute though :) Battler is a wimp xP MarthX said: FACES = PRICELESS |
- If you believe this place holds you, it is a prison. If you do not wish to leave, it will become a fortress. Current icon: Kusuriuri from Mononoke by pana (LJ username) |
Frostwake said: Thats my problem too, its pretty obvious magic exists at this point, and that makes the show worthless I mean, wasnt the whole fun seeing Battler try to prove that everything happened without magic? Well if magic exists he already lost and I dont see the point of the anime at all Some witch kills a bunch of people over and over with random magic, weeee Unless they pull an higurashi and explain the magic as delusions of people -.- maybe theres also a secret virus here and people start seeing golden butterflies after lvl 5 rofl You've stopped thinking. You can't take everything you see at face value. What you're being shown isn't necessarily the truth. It could be just someone's interpretation of how something happened. You have to look underneath the surface. Why couldn't Gohda and the others clearly explain what happened in the servants room? Why does magic have to have risk? Why does Beatrice bother with keeping the door unlocked and killing the person keeping it shut? She could magically teleport inside the room. Why does the door matter? |
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| My understanding is that on Rokkenjima, both magical AND real events are happening at the same time and are equally possible to explain the outcome with. Any event can have exactly two correct explanations - magical and real. That`s what bounds Beatrice and also gives Battler the chance to actually play the game. Don`t look at magical shows, see the result and try to deduce what REALLY happened. If Battler succeeds in all of the explanations magic will go POOF and only the real culprit and real circumstances will remain. |
Frostwake said: lol, I though by this point it is pretty obvious magic doesnt exist no matter how I see it. If it does actually exist, too many things dont make sense at all when you think about it.Thats my problem too, its pretty obvious magic exists at this point, and that makes the show worthless I mean, wasnt the whole fun seeing Battler try to prove that everything happened without magic? Well if magic exists he already lost and I dont see the point of the anime at all Some witch kills a bunch of people over and over with random magic, weeee Unless they pull an higurashi and explain the magic as delusions of people -.- maybe theres also a secret virus here and people start seeing golden butterflies after lvl 5 rofl "well, how do you want to explain the goat servants and light-saber stuffs?" is that what you going to ask? well, I think you should see the story this way: After you experienced some very extraordinary events of murders, you found yourself waking up one day only to be told that everyone else you met during those events is killed. And the person who is telling you the story is trying to convince you that they were all killed by magic, not by human hands. Do you believe it? No? But that person is going to prove you it was magic by retelling the whole events again, only where those parts you didnt know about (because you weren't there etc), he makes up a magic story for it, which only sounds very convincing. Do you believe it at once without thinking about it? (thats what you are doing :P ) ps: i don't really love this anime mostly because of the art/animation and some obvious stuffs that could be improved, and also there is not one single character i like in this show. but i think story-ish it is quite well-thought. |
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| You know, you guys should just stop watching, its like Higurashi S2 all over again, if you come for the obvious and gore, you should go and watch Elfen Lied or something. Good ep, had all the important stuff, but yeah, I wont bother with the lack of details, for Im just going to enjoy seeing my favourite scenes animated, thats all what this adaption is for, you know. |
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| And for those that don't get Batter this episode. He accepted the witch because he's tired of being unable to trust each other, tired of everybody accusing each other. He considers everyone important and doesn't want to suspect them. Beatrice created a situation where it's seemingly impossible to not suspect them and deny the witch. So instead of suspecting them, he accepted the witch. |
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| Okay.... hmmm.... I'm confused.... What is Beezlebub, what is worldenddominator? This show is really lacking explanations... Also, didn't Battler lose as he's admitting that the witch exist??! |
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| Be MRLX69 said: Okay.... hmmm.... I'm confused.... What is Beezlebub, what is worldenddominator? This show is really lacking explanations... Also, didn't Battler lose as he's admitting that the witch exist??! Beelzebub is the name of the Sister of Purgatory that killed Gohda. You don't learn her name till later. worldenddominator is the name of the song playing when Gohda sees the goats coming towards the room. It's one of Umineko's best tracks but the anime pales to the original. And yes Battler does lose by accepting the witch. |
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| Thanks a lot PsychFreak and MarthX! |
MRLX69Sep 3, 2009 3:00 PM
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| damn Gohda died he was rele awsome lol |
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