which side do you support *watch the whole series before voting including the specials*
| I support the shiki and I'm on there side The shiki are only feeding them selfs and didn't ask to be shiki, There not being controlled and are still them selfs when they was human They don't kill out of malice or hate but to keep on living like we humans kill animals to live on. I feel sorry for migumi cause all she wanted was to get out of the village and can see her point of view on the villagers being strange I feel sorry for little vampire girl who's family abandoned her and i can see her point of view I hate how the villagers handled the shiki and I hate the doctor for what he did to he's wife I hate how the villagers killed the people in the temple and pipes and the old man and let the shiki Burn in the sun in the special Even tho most of the shiki are dead the remaining humans lost everything family, there property, homes and village which burned to the ground at least the monk and vampire girl got away..........which is a slap to the face to the villagers lol And that old bearded bastards got killed by the monk ( in the manga he's death was way more funnier ) And there was a few humans who accepted the shiki for who they was like the monk and the guy with the big gun. And if a family member of mine was turned in to a shiki I'd help them escape from the evil humans So yeah I support the shiki |
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| I support the humans. We can't just let the shiki feed on us and create more and more of them to feed on more and more of us until everybody is either dead or a shiki and they don't have anyone to feed on anymore and then everybody will die. Since there isn't a cure, the only way is killing them. |
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Litrydow said: I support the humans. We can't just let the shiki feed on us and create more and more of them to feed on more and more of us until everybody is either dead or a shiki and they don't have anyone to feed on anymore and then everybody will die. Since there isn't a cure, the only way is killing them. They wasn't monsters they was still.them selfs when they was humans same personalities and such ......If they was like the zombies from walking dead then I'd understand, What if a family member of yours was turned in to a shiki would you help them |
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| Oh god not this again. Animefreak17a said: Did you skip the scenes with Natsuno and Tohru?They wasn't monsters they was still.them selfs when they was humans same personalities and such ......If they was like the zombies from walking dead then I'd understand, What if a family member of yours was turned in to a shiki would you help them |
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Red_Keys said: Oh god not this again. Animefreak17a said: Did you skip the scenes with Natsuno and Tohru?They wasn't monsters they was still.them selfs when they was humans same personalities and such ......If they was like the zombies from walking dead then I'd understand, What if a family member of yours was turned in to a shiki would you help them Nope |
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Animefreak17a said: I feel sorry for little vampire girl who's family abandoned her and i can see her point of view Initially, yes. But if you're going to make a family/group by destroying other families aka killing humans, then I honestly can't support her. That's why Nao-san's realisation was for me the most important monologue in the entire series. She turned into a Shiki, killed her other family members (who unfortunately didn't revive). So, it begs the question, what's the point after all? You can't have families destroyed left and right just for the sake of your own fantasy world. The way I see all this, Shiki's aren't meant to live. They just don't fit in the system of nature, unfortunate as it may be. If the entire village was converted into Shiki's, they would've kidnapped people from outside anyway. It's like a never ending process. It would only end, theoretically, if all the humans are wiped out. So, sad as it maybe, I can't support the Shiki. They have my sympathy though.. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| I won't argue I'm just giving an example Let say for example animals started talk and walking up right like humans and was intelligent ..........And they said stop eating us and few humans do and most won't because of a few things- 1 some humans will believe there superior to all other living thing, like how a few white idiots and few black and few Asians believe there superior then other people and because animals aren't intelligent like us we have the right to kill and eat them and use them for entertainment like fighting rings and tormenting them. 2 appearances as we all know few people believe if they don't look the same as them there out cast you and like say........a Asian family moves in to a red neck street and is hated because there not white 4 what we believe in there is loads of beliefs in this world and in the past to present day we fight and kill each other in the name of religion like the crusades and such. What I'm trying to say is if the animals did walk and talk and had intelligence that to humans or more the animals would say the same thing about us cause there would be humans who would still continue to kill these intelligent animals regardless if they have intelligence and speech to that of humans and they would fight back and try to kill us....And yes I know humans don't need to only eat meat but we need nutrition and there's only few things to eat and we're running out of wheat and fruits and vegetables. And there would be humans who would kill these animals who have now the intelligence of a Steven harkens and these creatures might say the same thing we humans aren't meant to live. There was that old lady shiki who didn't attack any humans and her daughter gave her blood willingly to her and she didn't attack her daughter.it was the doctor who lied to the villagers saying they wasn't them selfs and was mindless monsters but we know for a fact he was lying to get them all pumped up and when the villagers found out about the old lady shiki they killed her while her daughter was watching thanks to her former friend who promised she wouldn't tell anyone about her mother. Humans fear and hate anything they don't understand and will hate anything with a bad reputation from other people like e.g. During WW 1 and 2 people would attack Germans who didn't do anything wrong because of the war during time but after the war we all calmed down and listen to each other only because what a few Germans did we during the time hated all of them for what a few did..... Look at xmen the humans in the series hate the mutants and even some family's abandon there kids if they find out there mutants. I'd like to suggest to you to watch and read * dance in the vampire bund* this series is like shiki but this is a series where ..........actually il let you find out ....It's a really good series in my opinion and is a perfect example of what I'm trying to say about humans if the vampires wanted peace and to live along side humans. Really go and watch and read it The humans did it out of fear, hate and paranoia and to them for a reason in dance in the vampire bund the humans hates them even tho the vampires didn't do anything to them......il let you find out the rest from chapter 70 is what I'm talking about, even if the shiki had a blood bank and came in peace the humans would still hate and fear them and hunted them. |
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| Let's put this short, stronger and better fed on weaker and worse. I'm by Shiki side. |
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Krunchy said: Let's put this short, stronger and better fed on weaker and worse. I'm by Shiki side. I hate the humans because how they handled the killings even killing humans. So I Did the sensible thing and rooted for the shiki and laughed when the humans died and killed them selfs and lost the village.............it serves them right. Shiki all the way baby |
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| Humans: I refuse to become food, I refuse to become Shiki and I won't surrender Sotoba; willing to spill blood for these rights. For the Shikis, just go somewhere else. You can buy a private island, network with blood banks for food and set up a theme park if you want. There is nothing money can't buy and I know you're filthy rich after living for more than a century. You can visit human's area at night, just no biting; then we'll be at peace. |
heathen-queenMar 29, 2014 7:56 AM
| Humans: everyone will play there part they way we want them to or we will kill you. Shiki: we are just trying to live like any other creature on this earth we eat in order to live like humans eat animals to live Humans: I have an idea let's demonize the shiki and tie them down and let them find in the sun even tho we knew them as shiki and not knowing there still like what they used to be when they was humans............that would be funny as hell. |
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| Shiki: we just want to survive so we must eat and in the process, we have to kill you. well, not instantly- about four bites will do but after the first bite we will be able to control your mind and you will obey us. Humans: you know Shikis, this is nothing personal. you just messed up with the wrong neighborhood. |
heathen-queen said: Shiki: we just want to survive so we must eat and in the process, we have to kill you. well, not instantly- about four bites will do but after the first bite we will be able to control your mind and you will obey us. Humans: you know Shikis, this is nothing personal. you just messed up with the wrong neighborhood. Lol that's a good one il give you that lol Humans: you should of tried the village next door nothing but old people there lo |
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| haha thanks. well the villagers will probably not complain if they do that, humans are usually indifferent to things that does not concern them. |
| The doctor isn't a hero......He's a genocidal psychopath |
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| They can all die. I didn't support either, but the end clearly wanted to make us support the shiki. Animefreak17a said: The doctor isn't a hero......He's a genocidal psychopath ^yes |
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Linil said: I would rather be a human cause 1) Humans are the most intelligent species on this planet. 2) If Shiki really existed there would be humans who would fight for shiki's rights , but no shiki would fight for well being of Humans. Have you ever heard a lion fighting to save a deer?? 3) Shiki's have no option than to kill humans to survive. Ohhhh ........you clearly haven't paying attention to the series. 1 the shiki are humans and if there so intelligent then answer this Why did they kill the temple people without no evidence, they just killed them. 2 what's wrong with that what's wrong with humans wanting to protect the shiki, look at the old woman shiki who went back to her daughter, the daughter wasn't scared of her and she hid her from the mob. Also there was a few humans on the shikis side like the guy with the gun and the monk who turned in to a shiki in the end 1 not true the shiki don't need to kill in order to feed they just need one cup full a night -_- I hate people who don't pay attention |
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| I support whatever side Masao isn't on. Candidate for most annoying anime character ever right there. |
Cupquake said: They can all die. I didn't support either, but the end clearly wanted to make us support the shiki. Animefreak17a said: The doctor isn't a hero......He's a genocidal psychopath ^yes I didn't think the ending was in full support of the shiki, I thought it just showed that each side just wanted to survive, but it also pointed out how for a shiki to survive, more grief will be created for others and for themselves. And about the doctor, I think he wasn't a "hero", but he did what should have been done. The only better alternative would be to find a way to get shiki known widespread and try to make a way for blood donations to allow both species to survive. However, that would be very likely to never make way. First, the shiki who wanted to make a safe haven would never take the risk for such an idea and stay on the safe life. Second, if it all went well, the few shiki that still attacked humans after the blood bank situation is set-up would possibly plant seeds to human panic that would in the end cause another war. Third, many people would just be too shocked with the existence of vampires and would never allow for a co-existing society. The doctor made the most rational decision he could, factoring trying to save the village along with minimizing future human grief and death. Human survival requires far less death than that of shiki survival. The shiki did relate human to cattle at one point, but that comparison isn't exactly the same as the alternative of sharing blood is in place. If there was a way for us to consume some thing of cattle and not kill them in the process, society would without a doubt do that instead. Consuming blood is nothing like having to consume meats and proteins. |
| Actually if you think about it it is the same What if animals started killing humans because of what we humans have done to them Eating them Using them for sport Torment Humans think there the superior race to everything else in this world and so that give them the right to do so |
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Well each culture treats things in a different way, but in the US we tend to try not to eat animals that have a higher intelligence than most. Of course we have to eat to survive though. And that is where the difference is made. If humans simply stripped some of their blood from themselves to feed the shiki, both kinds could survive. However, with humans and cattle, cattle cannot simply strip the meat from themselves and continue living and regenerate it. The two are not one in the same. In-fact, the main thing you point out is how unpredictable different cultures are in treating other creatures. So a co-existing society of shiki and man, on a wide scale, would probably be even less possible than I previously considered. Also, a wide scale should be considered because shiki are probably very spread out in the setting, seeing that some shiki in the village moved out, and that the little girl was very far away when she was turned originally (not to mention far earlier in time). A good movie to watch to show what would happen if the shiki won is called Daybreakers. Pretty good too. |
| ^ humans hate and fear what they don't understand, Watch and read Dance in the vampire bund. Even if the shiki tried to make peace with the humans the humans still would of feared and hated them and there's loads of SERIES that shows this Elfen lied Trigun Tiger and bunny Loads of series have had creatures in them that didn't bring any harm to humans but was still hated and its not just in anime it's in real life too. We hate each other for What we look like Where were from Our history Beliefs Culture Humans are pure scum |
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| ^ decent argument but sunako is also a victim too. |
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Animefreak17a said: ^ humans hate and fear what they don't understand I think they understood the Shiki fairly well around the second half of the show. The only thing they didn't seem to understand was what exactly infected a human to become a Shiki, as in if one bite from a Shiki was enough to turn you into one. Animefreak17a said: Even if the shiki tried to make peace with the humans the humans still would of feared and hated them and there's loads of SERIES that shows this That's what I was saying in my comment. That fear also wouldn't be unjustified when you think about the strong urge Shiki have, and when you remember that they're still human in that they have desires and that some are weaker to resisting those desires than others. Animefreak17a said: Loads of series have had creatures in them that didn't bring any harm to humans but was still hated and its not just in anime it's in real life too. We hate each other for What we look like Where were from Our history Beliefs Culture Humans are pure scum The only difference from humans and Shiki is what they do to keep themselves alive. The personality they both have are still very much human, and how they acted in life is carried on to when they are Shiki. So if you hate humans, than you should likewise hate Shiki since they would act no different. What I debate is not the morals of either side (since they would be identical), but the amount of grief that each side would create. There are bad humans, as there would likely be bad Shiki if the Shiki population grew larger. Shiki also kill people that they usually wouldn't ever want to kill, and they also many times feel ashamed of their own existence. It brings grief to others and themselves. |
Piegoose said: Animefreak17a said: ^ humans hate and fear what they don't understand I think they understood the Shiki fairly well around the second half of the show. The only thing they didn't seem to understand was what exactly infected a human to become a Shiki, as in if one bite from a Shiki was enough to turn you into one. Animefreak17a said: Even if the shiki tried to make peace with the humans the humans still would of feared and hated them and there's loads of SERIES that shows this That's what I was saying in my comment. That fear also wouldn't be unjustified when you think about the strong urge Shiki have, and when you remember that they're still human in that they have desires and that some are weaker to resisting those desires than others. Animefreak17a said: Loads of series have had creatures in them that didn't bring any harm to humans but was still hated and its not just in anime it's in real life too. We hate each other for What we look like Where were from Our history Beliefs Culture Humans are pure scum The only difference from humans and Shiki is what they do to keep themselves alive. The personality they both have are still very much human, and how they acted in life is carried on to when they are Shiki. So if you hate humans, than you should likewise hate Shiki since they would act no different. What I debate is not the morals of either side (since they would be identical), but the amount of grief that each side would create. There are bad humans, as there would likely be bad Shiki if the Shiki population grew larger. Shiki also kill people that they usually wouldn't ever want to kill, and they also many times feel ashamed of their own existence. It brings grief to others and themselves. I still support the Shiki and hate the humans for what they did |
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Animefreak17a said: I still support the Shiki and hate the humans for what they did If every Shiki in the show had the tables turned and they were the humans instead of the other people in town, nothing would have changed. It isn't about which group of people are more reasonable, it's about what biological setup for living is more logical and less prone to anarchy and murder. |
Piegoose said: Animefreak17a said: I still support the Shiki and hate the humans for what they did If every Shiki in the show had the tables turned and they were the humans instead of the other people in town, nothing would have changed. It isn't about which group of people are more reasonable, it's about what biological setup for living is more logical and less prone to anarchy and murder. The shiki needed to feed in order to live the humane killed out of hate and malice |
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Animefreak17a said: The shiki needed to feed in order to live the humane killed out of hate and malice The humans killed out of self-defense to survive against the Shiki. The Shiki killed humans to survive against their biological needs. |
BlokeTokesJul 1, 2014 2:21 PM
Piegoose said: Animefreak17a said: The shiki needed to feed in order to live the humane killed out of hate and malice The humans killed out of self-defense to survive against the Shiki. The Shiki killed humans to survive against their biological needs. And humans was more cruel then the shiki |
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Animefreak17a said: And humans was more cruel then the shiki They were only more cruel because they didn't understand how the Shiki's infections worked and acted extremely cautiously to stop a spread of the infection. Also, sticking a steak to kill a Shiki will always look more brutal than a Shiki biting someone, but there's no getting around that. |
nmarshall23 said: I'm glade that Animefreak17a picked up on the social commentary about the ethics of eating. I would take it further and ask, just because this potato doesn't scream, squeal or trying to run away doesn't mean that it's not alive. Sigh, I don't know why some people make this so complicated, eat what you enjoy eating, don't have philosophical discussions with your food. My question is are those like Animefreak17a, and Seishin Muroi traitors to humans? Effectively they are worse then Anti-Vaccinationers, they are deliberately aiding what can be described as a blood-born-parasite. Their actions would lead to more preventable deaths. I can understand how some people grow to see the worst parts of humanity the most, but I don't see how when this specific situation is looked into that humanity is seen as "cruel". At the least, both sides were even and it was simply a match of survival of the fittest. The thing is though that if the humans win, than the humans can survive for as long as the earth lives. However, the Shiki can only survive as long as the human race survives - like if all of humanity only ate chicken. There wouldn't be much chicken left after a short while. I brought up the example of the movie Daybreakers which shows this idea in action. |
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nmarshall23 said: Animefreak17a said: ...humans was more cruel then the shiki Not at all. The surviving people in the village are all suffering from PTSD. They do not have the perfect knowledge of how Shiki work. Yes they overreacted. Most people will panic when faced with life and death situation. The Villagers actions while purging the Shiki are understandable, and very human. I'm glade that Animefreak17a picked up on the social commentary about the ethics of eating. I would take it further and ask, just because this potato doesn't scream, squeal or trying to run away doesn't mean that it's not alive. Sigh, I don't know why some people make this so complicated, eat what you enjoy eating, don't have philosophical discussions with your food. My question is are those like Animefreak17a, and Seishin Muroi traitors to humans? Effectively they are worse then Anti-Vaccinationers, they are deliberately aiding what can be described as a blood-born-parasite. Their actions would lead to more preventable deaths. the shiki drank blood like humans need to eat animals in order to live and the humans in this series killed out of fear and hate, not only killing shiki but humasn too....... the old man the people in the pipes and not forgetting the temple people who had no idea what was going on and didn't know where the monk was and was killed without knowing why.....they killed out of suspicion, without looking inside it first, with out evidence or giving them a trial or anything they just out right killed them........ also the humans destroyed the shikis legs and chained them down to let them burn in the sun. they killed migumi in the most gruesome way. they killed the old lady shiki who went back to her daughter who was glad to see her again and kept it secret from the villagers and she was betrayed by her friend who begged her not to say anything but did. the doctor experimented on his own wife with out any hesitation ........... she woke up not knowing what was going on and the next thing she sees is her husband experimenting on her, and with out saying a word he carries on with out a im sorry, or explaining why his doing it too her or saying I love you it will all be over soon, hell the prick didn't even give her the time of day when she was human he even askes him self if he loved her..........again his a prick. the shiki still had everything when they was humans- there memories there personalities there emotions everything they wasn't being controlled they wasn't like mindless zombies nothing. the doctor lied to the villagers he made them think the shiki was mindless monsters (which they wasn't ) but the doctor had ........I cant remember his name but he had purple hair ........he had him and knew the shiki wasn't mindless monsters. and by the way I hate humans as a whole because of the shit we have done to our selves and what we have done to our planet, we kill each other over the most stupidest shit.... religious beliefs where we come from what we look like class different tastes and so many other things that it would take me all day to do which im not going to do. we hurt each other, bully each other, lie to each other. but that's just me........I accept people for who they are, what they believe, where they come from and so on and so forth but as a whole I hate humanity. as for muroi his whole life his been told that he is to become the next head of the temple and its what the villagers wants him to do.......his life wasn't his own which was why he tried to kill him self in college, muroi didn't see the shiki as monsters he could see that they was suffering he could see that they was humans who was cursed of the shiki,,,..........hell there was that guy with the big gun who tried to kill the doctor....... he was human and he came from a family who was greedy and selfish and he was accepted as sunakos adopted father and he was human. the reason why they didn't say who they was and what they are was because that they knew humans would hate and fear them and this is proven in not just other anime but in real life too. humans hate and fear what they don't understand watch and read dance in the vampire bund......the vampires in this wants peace and wants to be accepted but the humans hate and fear them, look at elfen lied lucy was being picked on because she was different to other people amd its thanks too humans is why the way she turned out look at knives from trigun thanks to a human, wolf children and even hurting other humans and I don't need to give examples cause im sure you can pick up a anime and find something. the humans in this are more monster they kill out of hate and fear wheres the shiki kill in order to live another day and ........ it was funny as hell to see muroi kill that bearded prick and them getting away......lol .........I don't know his name but he was toned down from what he was in the manga...........in the manga .....he was a complete monster enjoying killing the shiki and he didn't give some bollocks speech about the village being a community but in the manga he torments her saying hes justice and tires to kill her slowly but shes saved by the hero......aka muroi he splits his head open cuts his arm off and chops his head off..........which was funny as hell .....where he is by the way. so yeah. I said my piece |
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| There was a logical reason for each of those actions (besides the murders at the temple, but 5 people don't speak for the hundreds in total in town). The doctor also didn't lie to the villagers. If he told the villagers that the Shiki were mindless monsters, than they'd be pretty dense since the lady Shiki was right there talking and begging for mercy, not to mention conversing with them at the festival prior. The evidence was right in-front of the townsfolk that the Shiki could think. Also, how does this: Animefreak17a said: the shiki still had everything when they was humans Go with this: Animefreak17a said: I accept people for who they are, what they believe, where they come from and so on and so forth but as a whole I hate humanity. Also, by the way, do you really think you're the only one whose honest about other people as you say you are? Whether the people actually act as you say you act yourself or not, at least 70% of people think that way of themselves. People almost always think highly of themselves until they start to break the third wall a bit. Animefreak17a said: as for muroi... As for Murio, he's a moron who's going to get plenty of more people killed because he couldn't understand just what was making that little girl suffer. The curse wasn't that people will look down on her for killing people, the curse was that she has to kill people now to survive, which is why she wanted to kill herself at the end - which I sided with. Animefreak17a said: humans hate and fear what they don't understand I don't think you understand that they did understand. The only thing the humans didn't understand about the Shiki was what can infect another human. Animefreak17a said: so yeah. I said my piece You keep repeating the same thing. Just read the replies given to you and actually think about what's being said for a minute. |
Piegoose said: There was a logical reason for each of those actions (besides the murders at the temple, but 5 people don't speak for the hundreds in total in town). The doctor also didn't lie to the villagers. If he told the villagers that the Shiki were mindless monsters, than they'd be pretty dense since the lady Shiki was right there talking and begging for mercy, not to mention conversing with them at the festival prior. The evidence was right in-front of the townsfolk that the Shiki could think. Also, how does this: Animefreak17a said: the shiki still had everything when they was humans Go with this: Animefreak17a said: I accept people for who they are, what they believe, where they come from and so on and so forth but as a whole I hate humanity. Also, by the way, do you really think you're the only one whose honest about other people as you say you are? Whether the people actually act as you say you act yourself or not, at least 70% of people think that way of themselves. People almost always think highly of themselves until they start to break the third wall a bit. Animefreak17a said: as for muroi... As for Murio, he's a moron who's going to get plenty of more people killed because he couldn't understand just what was making that little girl suffer. The curse wasn't that people will look down on her for killing people, the curse was that she has to kill people now to survive, which is why she wanted to kill herself at the end - which I sided with. Animefreak17a said: humans hate and fear what they don't understand I don't think you understand that they did understand. The only thing the humans didn't understand about the Shiki was what can infect another human. Animefreak17a said: so yeah. I said my piece You keep repeating the same thing. Just read the replies given to you and actually think about what's being said for a minute. 1 yes he did lie to the villagers he told migumis dad that they killed her but she was a shiki so she wasn't dead, so yeah he did lie. 2 im am who I am so im not lying about that. 3 do you honestly think the humans would of accepted them from the get go ........do ya........its a well known fact that humans hate and fear what they don't understand......hell humans hate anything that's different to what they are used to. do you honestly believe that this would happen.... sunako....hello there everyone my name in sunako and im a vampire we come in peace we mean no harm to anyone........we would like to settle in your village with your permission......however we need a cup of your blood for each of us each night so we can continue living. village leader......of course you can all is welcome here and of course you have permission t live hereand yes we would gladly give you some of our blood each night ................. yeah fucking right............. look at sunakos family they abandon her when she turned in to a shiki. most of the villagers would be scared and would run them out of town or kill them, look at other series dance in the vampire bund elfen lied trigun and loads more others that have had humans hate them even tho they came in peace like at blue bloods the vampires are hated in that. would you accept vampires or aliens or something that came in peace that wasn't human...........we as humans kill each other order what we look like beliefs where we came from ideals so I highly doubt it 4 everything deserves to live.....except humans........they can go extinct for all I care. 5 I might repeat my self but im trying to get my saying across |
geekfreak17aJul 2, 2014 7:59 AM
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Animefreak17a said: 1. So are you're saying he lied because he referred to the Shiki's as "dead"? Technically that is correct, he did look into what a Shiki exactly was. 2. I didn't say you were lying about it, I'm saying it's not as uncommon as you think. 3. You still don't get my point. I'm saying they understand, but what they understand is that Shiki can only survive by killing them, so they have to kill the Shiki to survive. They kill because they understand what the Shiki are. But I don't even get why you thought that's what I was saying since I've gone on several times now about how a coexistence between the two would probably never work. 4. Well you say Shiki retain everything they had when human, so what makes them un-human now? The fact that their lives require them to murder now (I understand your cow example, but regenerating blood and finite meat is not the same)? That would only make them worse in my eyes 5. Well there's no need to repeat again because I get everything you've said up to this point. By the way, Elfen Lied isn't a good reference for a detailed take on society and mankind. |
BlokeTokesJul 2, 2014 8:26 AM
Piegoose said: Animefreak17a said: 1. So are you're saying he lied because he referred to the Shiki's as "dead"? Technically that is correct, he did look into what a Shiki exactly was. 2. I didn't say you were lying about it, I'm saying it's not as uncommon as you think. 3. You still don't get my point. I'm saying they understand, but what they understand is that Shiki can only survive by killing them, so they have to kill the Shiki to survive. They kill because they understand what the Shiki are. But I don't even get why you thought that's what I was saying since I've gone on several times now about how a coexistence between the two would probably never work. 4. Well you say Shiki retain everything they had when human, so what makes them un-human now? The fact that their lives require them to murder now (I understand your cow example, but regenerating blood and finite meat is not the same)? That would only make them worse in my eyes 5. Well there's no need to repeat again because I get everything you've said up to this point. By the way, Elfen Lied isn't a good reference for a detailed take on society and mankind. 1 he died say they killed her.....but really shes still alive but not as a human. 3 your not getting what im say listen......er I mean read.......yea....anyways........ the shiki only need one small cup of blood anight they don't need to kill them in order to get the blood they can drink blood from one victim and could of moved on to another without killing them, and I know what your going to say * then why didn't they do that then*.......because they wanted a place to stay a place where they can call home a place where they don't need to move around all the time.........it was sunakos female shiki friend that was sick and tired of moving all the time .......even having metal brake downs about it.......its in the manga .....in fact quiet a few things can be explained in the manga that we don't see in the manga........anyways it takes 4 bits to ether kill them or turn them in to a shiki and they could of did what I suggested and im sure they knew this in fact im sure they knew this...........so no they don't need to kill in order to get blood which is why I said that stuff about ........................how humans fear what they don't understand and would run them out of town.................cause that's what humans are all about we fear the unknown and would of killed they shiki even if they did come in peace and did propose the one bit night methods which is why they did what they did they knew the humans would attack them even if they did come in peace cause that's what humans are like. 4 but humans killed even humans and the shiki only feed to live that's the difference........look at 3 again of course elfen lied is a good reference ..............if not then go and watch and read dance in the vampire bund.......id suggest reading it. now would you stop with the replies im trying to watch paradise kiss |
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1. That goes into the interpretation of what life exactly is and what should be considered alive. The body of a Shiki has died for the most part, but since the mind survives it could be down to interpretation to say whether they're dead or not. 3. I understand what you mean now, but I already went over that before. You're saying that the Shiki wouldn't have to kill if the humans cooperated. However, remember that Shiki's still have human personalities, and there would always be bad Shiki or even Shiki who can't hold back their urges. That kind of relationship in a coexisting society would never make it work out. 4. But the thing is you're saying that Shiki should be accepted by humans because they're still human. you don't have to reply if you don't want to |
Piegoose said: 1. That goes into the interpretation of what life exactly is and what should be considered alive. The body of a Shiki has died for the most part, but since the mind survives it could be down to interpretation to say whether they're dead or not. 3. I understand what you mean now, but I already went over that before. You're saying that the Shiki wouldn't have to kill if the humans cooperated. However, remember that Shiki's still have human personalities, and there would always be bad Shiki or even Shiki who can't hold back their urges. That kind of relationship in a coexisting society would never make it work out. 4. But the thing is you're saying that Shiki should be accepted by humans because they're still human. you don't have to reply if you don't want to But it's so much fun debating.......that's one of the reasons why I reply..... Different points of view Taste Favourites Dislikes I like debating it's fun...............don't you agree, people have different ways of looking at things and its fun. There's a few reasons why I reply 1 to get my point across 2 to correct people.......I sometimes make a mistake but no one's perfect 3 to debate on subject matters...............hell on the code gaess thread I'm arguing with people that lelouch is a complete prick and I hate hate. So I'm not flaming you........I'm enjoying this little chat and debate with you.......so don't take it the wrong way ......ok? No hard feelings? |
geekfreak17aJul 3, 2014 2:09 AM
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Animefreak17a said: But it's so much fun debating.......that's one of the reasons why I reply..... No hard feelings? Well I wasn't telling you not to reply. You just said you didn't want to, so I meant you don't have to if you don't want to. Your words: Animefreak17a said: now would you stop with the replies im trying to watch paradise kiss |
Piegoose said: Animefreak17a said: But it's so much fun debating.......that's one of the reasons why I reply..... No hard feelings? Well I wasn't telling you not to reply. You just said you didn't want to, so I meant you don't have to if you don't want to. Your words: Animefreak17a said: now would you stop with the replies im trying to watch paradise kiss I was burned out lol |
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Piegoose said: Well that's actually the good thing about online debating, it can be dropped and picked up whenever. Have you read the manga of shiki |
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Animefreak17a said: Have you read the manga of shiki Nope |
Piegoose said: Animefreak17a said: Have you read the manga of shiki Nope I'd like to * suggest* you read it...............because they left out some thing in the manga that should of been animated and stuff which is very important to this debate........... If you could when and if you have time ......in the manga you'll see alot of things they changed like that bearded big old guy.............he is a complete monster in the manga and they toned him down in the manga for.........Well if you read it you'll see why they changed him from a psychopath to less of a psychopath and they changed migumis death to a regular death to a omg that was brutal death............it explains the monks reasons more then they did in the anime and other things. Give it a look |
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