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08-20-09, 11:17 AM

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okay, my question might have been asked a million times already, but I'm tired of VN readers posting about stuff that I have no idea what their talking about.. What is the red text? and I saw someone mention

Thanks :)
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08-20-09, 11:23 AM

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Sigyn said:
okay, my question might have been asked a million times already, but I'm tired of VN readers posting about stuff that I have no idea what their talking about.. What is the red text? and I saw someone mention blue text?
Thanks :)

Whatever Beatrice says in red is the truth. As for the
that's in the last question arc so it doesn't matter right now. It was spoilered for a reason y'know.
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08-20-09, 11:30 AM

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ahh okay thanks for answering :)
oh I kept reading I forgot it was in a spoiler, I edited my post. Seems like there are a lot of things in spoilers it's hard to keep track.
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08-20-09, 11:40 AM

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Sigyn said:


ahh okay thanks for answering :)
oh I kept reading I forgot it was in a spoiler, I edited my post. Seems like there are a lot of things in spoilers it's hard to keep track.

lol that's okay. Besides, sometimes it's tempting to look at spoilers.
 
08-20-09, 11:47 AM

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Renza said:
Sigyn said:


ahh okay thanks for answering :)
oh I kept reading I forgot it was in a spoiler, I edited my post. Seems like there are a lot of things in spoilers it's hard to keep track.

lol that's okay. Besides, sometimes it's tempting to look at spoilers.


yeah tell me about it, sometimes its frustrating for the non-VN users >.> but I did hear the VN is only so far so maybe.. the anime will eventual catch up :) so we will all be on the same page! It would be nice.. but who knows lol
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08-20-09, 11:54 AM

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Actually the most recent VN that came out this last weekend is an arc that won't appear till Umineko's second season. And the next VN comes out right around the time first season ends, so VN readers will still be ahead.
 
08-20-09, 12:16 PM

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JackFrost said:
Actually the most recent VN that came out this last weekend is an arc that won't appear till Umineko's second season. And the next VN comes out right around the time first season ends, so VN readers will still be ahead.


ugh, it's that far ahead.. yeah we'll never catch up :( oh well I'm enjoying the anime :) that's all that matters

Thanks for the info
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08-20-09, 1:24 PM

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i wonder if the subs will be out today...
 
08-20-09, 3:26 PM

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This episode disappointed me. I figured the reason that DEEN was rushing through the previous scenes was so that they would have time to do the meta battles well. But I felt that this episodes emphasis was on the Kanon fight and not the meta battle, which I think is wrong. It just felt like it had none of the impact that it should have.

With that aside the rest of the episode was decent. I have no problems with the censorship, and the Kanon fight scene managed to be pretty dramatic even with me knowing what was going to happen. I just wish they didn't have to sacrifice the meta battle for it.
 
08-20-09, 3:30 PM

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This episode disappointed me. I figured the reason that DEEN was rushing through the previous scenes was so that they would have time to do the meta battles well. But I felt that this episodes emphasis was on the Kanon fight and not the meta battle, which I think is wrong. It just felt like it had none of the impact that it should have.

With that aside the rest of the episode was decent. I have no problems with the censorship, and the Kanon fight scene managed to be pretty dramatic even with me knowing what was going to happen. I just wish they didn't have to sacrifice the meta battle for it.


Yeah. The meta scenes are what makes Umineko. Shortening them for other scenes is not good. Let's hope the meta scenes in the next episode have a lot more screen time.
 
08-20-09, 4:05 PM

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The anime really starts to grow on me!

I love this Phoenix Wright feeling. I love riddles and especially things that remind me of Phoenix Wright.

But come on, the first "riddle" was way to simple.

Since it is obvious that she won't make it too easy, he should have known the answer much earlier.


After this episode, I'm pretty sure this will be the best anime in summer 2009 for me.


By the way, I want to beat the fucking shit out of Maria so badly everytime I see her, she's driving me nuts.
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08-20-09, 4:10 PM

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Lol, don't fuck with mad rabbits. Fighting between Kanon and Beatrice's furnitures was pretty well done. Somehow even it was a bit exciting. :del And I like when randomly Beatrice and Battler appears to solve the mystery who was right, magic or = anti magic. Anyway, once again great episode imo. I just wish episodes would be longer, somehow ~23 minutes isn't enough. Always when episode ends I want more. ;-; Well, its really pain in the ass to wait week for new episode. Especially when its your favorite anime of season.
 
08-20-09, 4:26 PM

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I noticed us VN readers are the ones moping and groping on this episode, while the anime only watchers are the ones that enjoyed the episode a lot.

*sigh* Maybe the VN shouldn't have been translated until the anime was over. Maybe then we wouldn't be so nitpicky.
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08-20-09, 4:54 PM

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Man my head hurts after this one, but can't wait for the conclusion
I am the light and the darkness tossed away by fate.
I am hope and despair needed by all and to none.
I am CuresDestiny.
Fear me or Not it is all the same to me.
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08-20-09, 4:57 PM

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PsychFreak said:
I noticed us VN readers are the ones moping and groping on this episode, while the anime only watchers are the ones that enjoyed the episode a lot.

All the episodes that the VN readers liked the Anime watchers didn't and all the episodes that he Anime watchers liked the VN readers didn't. Hahahahaha.
 
08-20-09, 5:08 PM

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Lazer swords, light sabers.

Star Wars.
 
08-20-09, 5:50 PM

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Zedrane said:
PsychFreak said:
I noticed us VN readers are the ones moping and groping on this episode, while the anime only watchers are the ones that enjoyed the episode a lot.

All the episodes that the VN readers liked the Anime watchers didn't and all the episodes that he Anime watchers liked the VN readers didn't. Hahahahaha.

Oh the irony :/
 
08-20-09, 5:57 PM

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WHAT is going on?
 
08-20-09, 6:31 PM

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It seems that evertime Kanon dies its awesomely.
I was a little suprised when the sword thingy came out of his hand.. haha.
Im liking this so far. :)
 
08-20-09, 6:36 PM

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Things to think about.

if Kanon had the power to use a magic sword like that, then why didn't he do it in the first arc? He was by himself confronting Beatrice and he used a billhook instead.

If the culprit for the first twilight was the witch Beatrice then why would she have to go through the trouble of retrieving the key from Maria? She could just use magic to open the lock.
 
08-20-09, 6:48 PM

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entertaining epd, kanon is awesome!
 
08-20-09, 7:14 PM

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lolz @ flying red text and the censoring
 
08-20-09, 7:16 PM

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entertaining epd, kanon is awesome!


My thoughts exactly! I really enjoyed this episode, but I'm not hard to please. I loved how Kanon kicked some butt with that arm weapon (though I'm not so sure if that was actually real..) The scene with him and Jessica was AWESOME! I loved how she wanted to know his real name.. I'm wondering that same thing!!!
I finally get to see the red text and I'm glad it explained it even though I heard about it from another user. I was confused because everyone keeps talking about it but I didn't see the episode yet. The screaming was a good touch and I know they censored the "blood" but to tell you the truth, I'm kinda glad :)
I must not be up to par with the rest of you because I enjoy when battler goes over theories because I'm clueless when it comes to solving them so when he throws his idea's out it gives me the chance to figure it out too.
Next weeks episode doesn't look like it will be very interesting.. but I'm keeping my hopes up :)
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08-20-09, 7:16 PM

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I'm not enjoying this as much as I was at the very beginning of the series. I suppose I'm just riding the series now to see a conclusion. I don't like any of the characters besides perhaps Battler. That might have been the creators intention as I guess everyone else is just a playing piece and easily disposable. The killings aren't shocking anymore, giggling Maria who no one punishes is infuriating. When is someone going to pop a cap in that little girls--

Anyways, censorship was funny. We can stare at mutilated faces and sharp objects lodged in someones skull but candy stuffed tummies is unacceptable?

Alright.
 
08-20-09, 7:24 PM

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LOLZIEST CENSORSHIP EVER. I don't even... Lol. whut. XD

I won't lie, there were some tears welling up at Jessica and Kanon there at the end. Can't say for sure since I haven't read the VN, but as a new-comer, that scene seemed like it was really well done.
 
08-20-09, 7:27 PM

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Sigyn said:
SakuraForever said:
entertaining epd, kanon is awesome!


My thoughts exactly! I really enjoyed this episode, but I'm not hard to please. I loved how Kanon kicked some butt with that arm weapon (though I'm not so sure if that was actually real..) The scene with him and Jessica was AWESOME! I loved how she wanted to know his real name.. I'm wondering that same thing!!!
I finally get to see the red text and I'm glad it explained it even though I heard about it from another user. I was confused because everyone keeps talking about it but I didn't see the episode yet. The screaming was a good touch and I know they censored the "blood" but to tell you the truth, I'm kinda glad :)
I must not be up to par with the rest of you because I enjoy when battler goes over theories because I'm clueless when it comes to solving them so when he throws his idea's out it gives me the chance to figure it out too.
Next weeks episode doesn't look like it will be very interesting.. but I'm keeping my hopes up :)


The preview for 9 looks uneventful but there's a lot of great scenes coming up.
 
08-20-09, 7:33 PM

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Censorship ^_^;
I'm a bit confused. I think I need to go read the VN.
 
08-20-09, 7:36 PM

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Censorship ^_^;
I'm a bit confused. I think I need to go read the VN.


If you're confused, I can answer questions if you want.

But many you ask will probably be unknown.
 
08-20-09, 7:42 PM

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The preview for 9 looks uneventful but there's a lot of great scenes coming up.


That's what I'm hoping for!! I know I've read that there should be some good stuff coming, so I'm patiently waiting :) But it's not like I'm not enjoying the show, I really do like it for the mystery,confusion,relationships, and even Maria... lol I'm looking forward to seeing how it will turn out and what could be next!
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08-20-09, 7:45 PM

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It's funny. The episode 8 preview was very spoilerific with showing the goats and Asm and the episode 9 preview shows nothing. Not very consistent.
 
08-20-09, 8:16 PM

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MarthX said:
It's funny. The episode 8 preview was very spoilerific with showing the goats and Asm and the episode 9 preview shows nothing. Not very consistent.


That might mean the anime isn't really gunna be focusing on the sword fighting ( or however its called ) and goats. So as you were saying there mayb something very big coming up that they don't want to show :)

Gz's y0c1e for Anison debut. Ooh kill em.

 
08-20-09, 8:42 PM

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I'd like to see Maria get punched/slapped every single time she laughs, goes uu~ uu~ or makes a creepy smile. I think I would rate it up a point just for that because it's incredibly annoying.
 
08-20-09, 9:17 PM

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MarthX said:
It's funny. The episode 8 preview was very spoilerific with showing the goats and Asm and the episode 9 preview shows nothing. Not very consistent.


That might mean the anime isn't really gunna be focusing on the sword fighting ( or however its called ) and goats. So as you were saying there mayb something very big coming up that they don't want to show :)


There IS something big coming up, and the goats, kanon and * are only part of it.
 
08-20-09, 10:20 PM

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Why? WHY? WHY WOULD THEY CENSOR IT?! I've been looking forward to that scene since before the anime even started.
 
08-20-09, 10:43 PM

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Wow.
I think my brain is officially turned off now. I just can't really bother to take the show seriously at all while I'm watching it. We've now crossed into Chaos;Head levels of absurdity, and to think about the conclusion seems like a waste of time. Part of me wants to think about the meta world, but these game boards just really take me out of it. Kanon pulling a light sword out of thin air to fight stakes named after the seven deadly sins and goat people was ridiculous. The thought that I would care about Jessica and Kanon's deaths because I saw one episode centered on their lame lives is even more ridiculous.

On the plus side, the meta world scene was at least interesting. Red text is lame, but a good way to add a little bit of depth. Problem is (and maybe I'm not getting the way it works) that there are some important things that she isn't saying that isn't in red (most have escaped my mind and I don't really care to go back), but ultimately, since Battler is trying to say that the murders were pulled off by extra people on the island, I guess none of those things prove what he is going for. Oh yeah, and the use of the word "furniture" between Beatrice and Kanon was interesting. Almost like it's a euphemism for something else.

Overall though, because the second twilight was so jarringly bad, I hated the episode.
 
08-20-09, 10:44 PM

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The censorship was pretty erratic. When they showed the scene again and during Metaworld parts, some of it was uncensored, sometimes even all of it... Oh well, that's the tv station's fault.
 
08-20-09, 10:48 PM

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Wow.
I think my brain is officially turned off now. I just can't really bother to take the show seriously at all while I'm watching it. We've now crossed into Chaos;Head levels of absurdity, and to think about the conclusion seems like a waste of time. Part of me wants to think about the meta world, but these game boards just really take me out of it. Kanon pulling a light sword out of thin air to fight stakes named after the seven deadly sins and goat people was ridiculous. The thought that I would care about Jessica and Kanon's deaths because I saw one episode centered on their lame lives is even more ridiculous.

On the plus side, the meta world scene was at least interesting. Red text is lame, but a good way to add a little bit of depth. Problem is (and maybe I'm not getting the way it works) that there are some important things that she isn't saying that isn't in red (most have escaped my mind and I don't really care to go back), but ultimately, since Battler is trying to say that the murders were pulled off by extra people on the island, I guess none of those things prove what he is going for. Oh yeah, and the use of the word "furniture" between Beatrice and Kanon was interesting. Almost like it's a euphemism for something else.

Overall though, because the second twilight was so jarringly bad, I hated the episode.


If you thought those parts were bad, it's only gonna get more ridiculous from here. I suggest you stop watching because it's not gonna get any better for you.

If you are truly interested in the meta world though and their little discussions it'll get better.
 
08-20-09, 11:13 PM

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It was very bad. VERY BAD. And I'm not going to complain because of the novel (the anime is following the source material very well, until they change events like who dies and when it will be fine for me). I can understand the fast pacing, but I can't understand how flat the characters are! It's amazing yet unbelievable that Deen managed to screw the main characters in this way. They are uninteresting, flat, idiots! Every single dialogue makes little sense to none and every important discussion is about 30 seconds long (the first meta-world battle resolved with a bunch of red-text lines and the idiotic Battler's claim? Is Beatrice what, a recorder? Because sure she has the charisma of a table).

No wonders that a lot of people dislike this anime. I am a huge fanboy of the franchise but this is too much, even for me.

Sorry for the rage (and for the bad english) guys.
 
08-20-09, 11:29 PM

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good ep i like what battler said about the envelope genius but wat happen to kanon's body eh?

5/5
 
08-21-09, 12:16 AM

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noteDhero said:
Wow.
I think my brain is officially turned off now. I just can't really bother to take the show seriously at all while I'm watching it. We've now crossed into Chaos;Head levels of absurdity, and to think about the conclusion seems like a waste of time. Part of me wants to think about the meta world, but these game boards just really take me out of it. Kanon pulling a light sword out of thin air to fight stakes named after the seven deadly sins and goat people was ridiculous. The thought that I would care about Jessica and Kanon's deaths because I saw one episode centered on their lame lives is even more ridiculous.

On the plus side, the meta world scene was at least interesting. Red text is lame, but a good way to add a little bit of depth.


Ultimately, the meta-world scenes are the real focus of the series and where you should be paying attention as far as the mystery is concerned- although I'm hoping they make Beatrice and Battler's later red text duels more interesting because the atmosphere of the one in this episode was a bit bland compared to its VN counterpart.

However, the board games are just going to get more ridiculous as far as Beatrice is concerned, as that is her way of "proving" that magic exists- by stretching your suspension of disbelief. And they are for the most part consistent with her red text unless later disproven. If you really dislike this aspect of the series, I don't really know what else to say, because it's just going to get much worse from here on out. Most of the magic scenes can be taken as some kind of metaphor for what really is happening if you're on the anti-fantasy side of things, but really, they are meant to be over-the-top and ridiculous.

noteDhero said:
Problem is (and maybe I'm not getting the way it works) that there are some important things that she isn't saying that isn't in red (most have escaped my mind and I don't really care to go back), but ultimately, since Battler is trying to say that the murders were pulled off by extra people on the island, I guess none of those things prove what he is going for. Oh yeah, and the use of the word "furniture" between Beatrice and Kanon was interesting. Almost like it's a euphemism for something else.


It's important to pay attention to what Beatrice isn't saying in red in addition to what she is, although I'm not sure which line you're referring to in this case. If you're referring to the line about not bearing the responsibility of bearing proof, that pretty much holds true for all future debates between the two. And yeah, the matter of whether or not X people outside of the 18 exist will be explicitly addressed in the future.

Regarding furniture, the fantasy interpretation of it is that Kanon is some kind of artificial human/whatever made by Kinzo, and is equivalent to what the goat servants and the stakes are to Beatrice (generally all witches have their own furniture). The mystery interpretation of it is still open, but could be taken as some sort of demeaning term for him as a servant. Or whichever.
 
08-21-09, 12:32 AM

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this is the most ridiculous shit I've ever watched
 
08-21-09, 12:34 AM

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I don't think the atmosphere was bland...I just think it was rushed last minute into the episode so it came off as an after-thought. Part of me wants to see all of the game board stuff as a metaphor, but I just don't think it is. I almost feel like the dialogue is 10 times more important than anything I'm seeing concerning the murders. That said, I'm still not anti-fantasy, even though I think I see why people would be now.

I can't remember either, but I do know it wasn't that line, JackFrost. I think Battler might have followed up on it, but not in the way I was thinking or something. Oh well.

That's the first thought that went through my head...about Kanon being an android or something...but then I have to believe that the show is set in 86 explicitly so that technology doesn't interfere with a lot of the mystery (cell phones, internet, what not) so that pretty quickly left my mind...and I'm just stuck with Kinzo creating a human with magic...I don't know...it is what it is.
 
08-21-09, 12:40 AM

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rawrs ... Maria watching higurashi .. flying red words xD


 
08-21-09, 12:58 AM

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This episode made me love Kanon <3

Jessica and Kanon's dying scene was awesome but I wanted to hear Kanon's true name aaargh! XD I want the next episode ASAP.
 
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noteDhero said:
I don't think the atmosphere was bland...I just think it was rushed last minute into the episode so it came off as an after-thought. Part of me wants to see all of the game board stuff as a metaphor, but I just don't think it is. I almost feel like the dialogue is 10 times more important than anything I'm seeing concerning the murders. That said, I'm still not anti-fantasy, even though I think I see why people would be now.


The dialog is the most essential part to the story. We are presented with all of this over the top action so Beatrice can make her argument in regarding whether it is magic or not. It helps her a lot when she shows him stuff like that, it makes it tougher on Battler to make his argument on it was being done by a human.

As the story goes on the dialog between Beatrice and Battler gets more heated because things are getting more trickier. You'll find this dialog more interesting as the story goes on. If you haven't switched sides by EP3 I applaud you, because there seemed to be no anti-mystery followers after EP3.
 
08-21-09, 1:29 AM

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08-21-09, 1:36 AM

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Some side info but not sure if it will help anyone:
Asmodeus and his origins

This might prove useful in the future to understand Wrath and other demon summoning of Beatrice.

This is the original symbol Maria was refering and the website tells All that needs to be known about most symbols used by Beatrice. They are all Solomon and demonic in nature.

Web site:

Now that is analyzing.
I liked both parts under spoiler but not the deaths. They censored candy brands? LOL!

 
08-21-09, 2:58 AM

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The censoring destroyed the whole episode for me...
 
08-21-09, 3:23 AM

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Love the ep :)

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08-21-09, 3:33 AM

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AWWW!!!! what with that damn censorship >.<
i can't see anything T^T
 
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