MrAM said: renders said: judals said: renders said: fma brotherhood is generic main chars have a sad story,they meet other sad characters and inspire them with their bs sad story...then the plot kicks in and the bad guys appear who get defeated by the main chars helped by all the characters they encountered relatively generic compared to the original. But significantly less generic than the other generic shonen. OT: When it does the same thing over and over. Or have generic characters, and by that I mean shallow characters with simple motivations that can only be differentiated by name, design (or it can be generic-looking as well if that's absent) or a gimmick. They follow linear, over-used plotline in the same fashion as any had before them, having executed them in a not so different way. wrong it's pretty safe and generic compared to good shounens like one piece or hunter x hunter you can tell fma it's made by a woman since they don't seem to grasp the action shounen very well Explorations of morality, horrors of science, religion, sin, redemption, etc. are pretty heavy topics for a shonen, and far beyond anything One Piece has tried to do (though I still think its a very good manga). One Piece has covered slavery, corruption, redemption, sins of the father and sacrifice, which are also pretty heavy topics for a shonen as you say. |
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RedRoseFring said: MrAM said: renders said: judals said: renders said: fma brotherhood is generic main chars have a sad story,they meet other sad characters and inspire them with their bs sad story...then the plot kicks in and the bad guys appear who get defeated by the main chars helped by all the characters they encountered relatively generic compared to the original. But significantly less generic than the other generic shonen. OT: When it does the same thing over and over. Or have generic characters, and by that I mean shallow characters with simple motivations that can only be differentiated by name, design (or it can be generic-looking as well if that's absent) or a gimmick. They follow linear, over-used plotline in the same fashion as any had before them, having executed them in a not so different way. wrong it's pretty safe and generic compared to good shounens like one piece or hunter x hunter you can tell fma it's made by a woman since they don't seem to grasp the action shounen very well Explorations of morality, horrors of science, religion, sin, redemption, etc. are pretty heavy topics for a shonen, and far beyond anything One Piece has tried to do (though I still think its a very good manga). One Piece has covered slavery, corruption, redemption, sins of the father and sacrifice, which are also pretty heavy topics for a shonen as you say. While one piece has done so, they did it in a way where it was more or less pushed aside bar the slavery which is very heavily oriented in one piece. To me fma was able to catch my attention better with the whole situation of these topics. That doesn't take away from how good one piece is though. |
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7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: MrAM said: renders said: judals said: renders said: fma brotherhood is generic main chars have a sad story,they meet other sad characters and inspire them with their bs sad story...then the plot kicks in and the bad guys appear who get defeated by the main chars helped by all the characters they encountered relatively generic compared to the original. But significantly less generic than the other generic shonen. OT: When it does the same thing over and over. Or have generic characters, and by that I mean shallow characters with simple motivations that can only be differentiated by name, design (or it can be generic-looking as well if that's absent) or a gimmick. They follow linear, over-used plotline in the same fashion as any had before them, having executed them in a not so different way. wrong it's pretty safe and generic compared to good shounens like one piece or hunter x hunter you can tell fma it's made by a woman since they don't seem to grasp the action shounen very well Explorations of morality, horrors of science, religion, sin, redemption, etc. are pretty heavy topics for a shonen, and far beyond anything One Piece has tried to do (though I still think its a very good manga). One Piece has covered slavery, corruption, redemption, sins of the father and sacrifice, which are also pretty heavy topics for a shonen as you say. While one piece has done so, they did it in a way where it was more or less pushed aside bar the slavery which is very heavily oriented in one piece. To me fma was able to catch my attention better with the whole situation of these topics. That doesn't take away from how good one piece is though. Really? FMA spent very little time on actual religion or sin. Morality is a theme it carried throughout, but corruption is also prevalent all through One Piece. It's nearly impossible to miss themes that were made so obvious. |
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RedRoseFring said: 7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: MrAM said: renders said: judals said: renders said: fma brotherhood is generic main chars have a sad story,they meet other sad characters and inspire them with their bs sad story...then the plot kicks in and the bad guys appear who get defeated by the main chars helped by all the characters they encountered relatively generic compared to the original. But significantly less generic than the other generic shonen. OT: When it does the same thing over and over. Or have generic characters, and by that I mean shallow characters with simple motivations that can only be differentiated by name, design (or it can be generic-looking as well if that's absent) or a gimmick. They follow linear, over-used plotline in the same fashion as any had before them, having executed them in a not so different way. wrong it's pretty safe and generic compared to good shounens like one piece or hunter x hunter you can tell fma it's made by a woman since they don't seem to grasp the action shounen very well Explorations of morality, horrors of science, religion, sin, redemption, etc. are pretty heavy topics for a shonen, and far beyond anything One Piece has tried to do (though I still think its a very good manga). One Piece has covered slavery, corruption, redemption, sins of the father and sacrifice, which are also pretty heavy topics for a shonen as you say. While one piece has done so, they did it in a way where it was more or less pushed aside bar the slavery which is very heavily oriented in one piece. To me fma was able to catch my attention better with the whole situation of these topics. That doesn't take away from how good one piece is though. Really? FMA spent very little time on actual religion or sin. Morality is a theme it carried throughout, but corruption is also prevalent all through One Piece. It's nearly impossible to miss themes that were made so obvious. I know they were put in there but because of the overall tone aside from moments like when ace died it became more of an undertone of the series for me. I also understand that one piece isn't suppose to be dark like fma, but maybe that's why my opinion is as it is?"shrugs" |
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7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: 7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: MrAM said: renders said: judals said: renders said: fma brotherhood is generic main chars have a sad story,they meet other sad characters and inspire them with their bs sad story...then the plot kicks in and the bad guys appear who get defeated by the main chars helped by all the characters they encountered relatively generic compared to the original. But significantly less generic than the other generic shonen. OT: When it does the same thing over and over. Or have generic characters, and by that I mean shallow characters with simple motivations that can only be differentiated by name, design (or it can be generic-looking as well if that's absent) or a gimmick. They follow linear, over-used plotline in the same fashion as any had before them, having executed them in a not so different way. wrong it's pretty safe and generic compared to good shounens like one piece or hunter x hunter you can tell fma it's made by a woman since they don't seem to grasp the action shounen very well Explorations of morality, horrors of science, religion, sin, redemption, etc. are pretty heavy topics for a shonen, and far beyond anything One Piece has tried to do (though I still think its a very good manga). One Piece has covered slavery, corruption, redemption, sins of the father and sacrifice, which are also pretty heavy topics for a shonen as you say. While one piece has done so, they did it in a way where it was more or less pushed aside bar the slavery which is very heavily oriented in one piece. To me fma was able to catch my attention better with the whole situation of these topics. That doesn't take away from how good one piece is though. Really? FMA spent very little time on actual religion or sin. Morality is a theme it carried throughout, but corruption is also prevalent all through One Piece. It's nearly impossible to miss themes that were made so obvious. I know they were put in there but because of the overall tone aside from moments like when ace died it became more of an undertone of the series for me. I also understand that one piece isn't suppose to be dark like fma, but maybe that's why my opinion is as it is?"shrugs" Tbh Hxh's chimera ant arc alone puts fma to shame,the way it puts you into every characters mind regardless how minor that character is,and how togashi makes you sympathise with the main antagonist while you're watching him being humanized,also how he makes you scared of gon the main character who's always been happy and carefree and feel bad for neferpitou who took away a close person from gon...it's shit like this that deserves to be #1 |
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renders said: 7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: 7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: MrAM said: renders said: judals said: renders said: fma brotherhood is generic main chars have a sad story,they meet other sad characters and inspire them with their bs sad story...then the plot kicks in and the bad guys appear who get defeated by the main chars helped by all the characters they encountered relatively generic compared to the original. But significantly less generic than the other generic shonen. OT: When it does the same thing over and over. Or have generic characters, and by that I mean shallow characters with simple motivations that can only be differentiated by name, design (or it can be generic-looking as well if that's absent) or a gimmick. They follow linear, over-used plotline in the same fashion as any had before them, having executed them in a not so different way. wrong it's pretty safe and generic compared to good shounens like one piece or hunter x hunter you can tell fma it's made by a woman since they don't seem to grasp the action shounen very well Explorations of morality, horrors of science, religion, sin, redemption, etc. are pretty heavy topics for a shonen, and far beyond anything One Piece has tried to do (though I still think its a very good manga). One Piece has covered slavery, corruption, redemption, sins of the father and sacrifice, which are also pretty heavy topics for a shonen as you say. While one piece has done so, they did it in a way where it was more or less pushed aside bar the slavery which is very heavily oriented in one piece. To me fma was able to catch my attention better with the whole situation of these topics. That doesn't take away from how good one piece is though. Really? FMA spent very little time on actual religion or sin. Morality is a theme it carried throughout, but corruption is also prevalent all through One Piece. It's nearly impossible to miss themes that were made so obvious. I know they were put in there but because of the overall tone aside from moments like when ace died it became more of an undertone of the series for me. I also understand that one piece isn't suppose to be dark like fma, but maybe that's why my opinion is as it is?"shrugs" Tbh Hxh's chimera ant arc alone puts fma to shame,the way it puts you into every characters mind regardless how minor that character is,and how togashi makes you sympathise with the main antagonist while you're watching him being humanized,also how he makes you scared of gon the main character who's always been happy and carefree and feel bad for neferpitou who took away a close person from gon...it's shit like this that deserves to be #1 psychological wise I'll agree with you there. I was personally stating my opinion on the two series rather than series as a whole. |
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renders said: 7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: 7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: MrAM said: renders said: judals said: renders said: fma brotherhood is generic main chars have a sad story,they meet other sad characters and inspire them with their bs sad story...then the plot kicks in and the bad guys appear who get defeated by the main chars helped by all the characters they encountered relatively generic compared to the original. But significantly less generic than the other generic shonen. OT: When it does the same thing over and over. Or have generic characters, and by that I mean shallow characters with simple motivations that can only be differentiated by name, design (or it can be generic-looking as well if that's absent) or a gimmick. They follow linear, over-used plotline in the same fashion as any had before them, having executed them in a not so different way. wrong it's pretty safe and generic compared to good shounens like one piece or hunter x hunter you can tell fma it's made by a woman since they don't seem to grasp the action shounen very well Explorations of morality, horrors of science, religion, sin, redemption, etc. are pretty heavy topics for a shonen, and far beyond anything One Piece has tried to do (though I still think its a very good manga). One Piece has covered slavery, corruption, redemption, sins of the father and sacrifice, which are also pretty heavy topics for a shonen as you say. While one piece has done so, they did it in a way where it was more or less pushed aside bar the slavery which is very heavily oriented in one piece. To me fma was able to catch my attention better with the whole situation of these topics. That doesn't take away from how good one piece is though. Really? FMA spent very little time on actual religion or sin. Morality is a theme it carried throughout, but corruption is also prevalent all through One Piece. It's nearly impossible to miss themes that were made so obvious. I know they were put in there but because of the overall tone aside from moments like when ace died it became more of an undertone of the series for me. I also understand that one piece isn't suppose to be dark like fma, but maybe that's why my opinion is as it is?"shrugs" Tbh Hxh's chimera ant arc alone puts fma to shame,the way it puts you into every characters mind regardless how minor that character is,and how togashi makes you sympathise with the main antagonist while you're watching him being humanized,also how he makes you scared of gon the main character who's always been happy and carefree and feel bad for neferpitou who took away a close person from gon...it's shit like this that deserves to be #1 I absolutely adore the Chimera Ant arc (my favorite HxH arc) and could write about it endlessly for days. But it doesn't put FMA to shame, because it had many of the same things that make that arc great, just in a different manner. If you don't see it, that's fine; opinions are opinions. But there's far, far more to FMA (Brotherhood and manga) than many people give it credit for. |
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MrAM said: I absolutely adore the Chimera Ant arc (my favorite HxH arc) and could write about it endlessly for days. But it doesn't put FMA to shame, because it had many of the same things that make that arc great, just in a different manner. If you don't see it, that's fine; opinions are opinions. But there's far, far more to FMA (Brotherhood and manga) than many people give it credit for. Is the original series that lacking? |
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MrAM said: renders said: 7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: 7thVoid said: RedRoseFring said: MrAM said: renders said: judals said: renders said: fma brotherhood is generic main chars have a sad story,they meet other sad characters and inspire them with their bs sad story...then the plot kicks in and the bad guys appear who get defeated by the main chars helped by all the characters they encountered relatively generic compared to the original. But significantly less generic than the other generic shonen. OT: When it does the same thing over and over. Or have generic characters, and by that I mean shallow characters with simple motivations that can only be differentiated by name, design (or it can be generic-looking as well if that's absent) or a gimmick. They follow linear, over-used plotline in the same fashion as any had before them, having executed them in a not so different way. wrong it's pretty safe and generic compared to good shounens like one piece or hunter x hunter you can tell fma it's made by a woman since they don't seem to grasp the action shounen very well Explorations of morality, horrors of science, religion, sin, redemption, etc. are pretty heavy topics for a shonen, and far beyond anything One Piece has tried to do (though I still think its a very good manga). One Piece has covered slavery, corruption, redemption, sins of the father and sacrifice, which are also pretty heavy topics for a shonen as you say. While one piece has done so, they did it in a way where it was more or less pushed aside bar the slavery which is very heavily oriented in one piece. To me fma was able to catch my attention better with the whole situation of these topics. That doesn't take away from how good one piece is though. Really? FMA spent very little time on actual religion or sin. Morality is a theme it carried throughout, but corruption is also prevalent all through One Piece. It's nearly impossible to miss themes that were made so obvious. I know they were put in there but because of the overall tone aside from moments like when ace died it became more of an undertone of the series for me. I also understand that one piece isn't suppose to be dark like fma, but maybe that's why my opinion is as it is?"shrugs" Tbh Hxh's chimera ant arc alone puts fma to shame,the way it puts you into every characters mind regardless how minor that character is,and how togashi makes you sympathise with the main antagonist while you're watching him being humanized,also how he makes you scared of gon the main character who's always been happy and carefree and feel bad for neferpitou who took away a close person from gon...it's shit like this that deserves to be #1 I absolutely adore the Chimera Ant arc (my favorite HxH arc) and could write about it endlessly for days. But it doesn't put FMA to shame, because it had many of the same things that make that arc great, just in a different manner. If you don't see it, that's fine; opinions are opinions. But there's far, far more to FMA (Brotherhood and manga) than many people give it credit for. really like what?the homunculus could have won that war so easily but everything was so convenient that the entire ''war'' was so cheesy especially the greed part |
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renders said: really like what?the homunculus could have won that war so easily but everything was so convenient that the entire ''war'' was so cheesy especially the greed part IMO, Father was a crappy villain amongst an amazing series. I think the fight was just made so people could be like, "Ed's such a badass!" |
| y'all need to shut the fuck up. |
| I'd say something is generic if it follows a trending formula. That doesn't necessarily mean it's bad though, since execution is far more important that originality. Something can also be generic while having individualism, I've seen at least a dozen different police shows on TNT and each one has its own MO. Same thing can be applied to cute girls/cute things, harems, battle shounen, etc. |
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UnderTheBridge said: MrAM said: I absolutely adore the Chimera Ant arc (my favorite HxH arc) and could write about it endlessly for days. But it doesn't put FMA to shame, because it had many of the same things that make that arc great, just in a different manner. If you don't see it, that's fine; opinions are opinions. But there's far, far more to FMA (Brotherhood and manga) than many people give it credit for. Is the original series that lacking? I personally think the original series deserves far more credit than it gets. While I personally prefer Brotherhood overall, the original FMA was better in some aspects. Especially with it's more bleak and depressing tone compared to Brotherhood. One of the few with anime-original that didn't rub me the wrong way. |
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UnderTheBridge said: renders said: really like what?the homunculus could have won that war so easily but everything was so convenient that the entire ''war'' was so cheesy especially the greed part IMO, Father was a crappy villain amongst an amazing series. I think the fight was just made so people could be like, "Ed's such a badass!" More along the lines of "I don't know how to kill this dude so I'll just let edward hit him in the face once and be done with it". Other than that the series was still above average imo. |
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SolBlade said: UnderTheBridge said: MrAM said: I absolutely adore the Chimera Ant arc (my favorite HxH arc) and could write about it endlessly for days. But it doesn't put FMA to shame, because it had many of the same things that make that arc great, just in a different manner. If you don't see it, that's fine; opinions are opinions. But there's far, far more to FMA (Brotherhood and manga) than many people give it credit for. Is the original series that lacking? I personally think the original series deserves far more credit than it gets. While I personally prefer Brotherhood overall, the original FMA was better in some aspects. Especially with it's more bleak and depressing tone compared to Brotherhood. One of the few with anime-original that didn't rub me the wrong way. I liked in brotherhood what they did with that moustached character I forgot his name...in the original there was a filler with him in a town with some bs mine story,but in here they introduced him,showed that filler in a flashback and moved on |
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UnderTheBridge said: MrAM said: I absolutely adore the Chimera Ant arc (my favorite HxH arc) and could write about it endlessly for days. But it doesn't put FMA to shame, because it had many of the same things that make that arc great, just in a different manner. If you don't see it, that's fine; opinions are opinions. But there's far, far more to FMA (Brotherhood and manga) than many people give it credit for. Is the original series that lacking? Can't comment on that, as I'm still watching it at the moment. I like what I see so far, but the endless changes from the manga in even the most minor things are a bit jarring. @Father He wasn't the best villain ever written, but I was fond of his purpose in the story and what he represented. His personality is pretty interesting once you get past his seemingly stereotypical motive of "I want to be God." @renders I don't intend to have a full-blown debate over FMA's merits in this topic, and it will more than likely escalate into a pointless argument that will diverge way off-topic and end with neither of us changing the other's mind. I've seen it happen way too many times to fall into this trap myself. If you want to discuss it PM me. To answer your current objection though, I don't see how the homunculus could have won the war so easily, and I'm not quite sure exactly what you mean since you didn't elaborate, and the Greed part didn't strike me as particularly cheesy; if it did for you, more power to you. Again, though, if you really want to debate this PM me or comment on my profile so we don't clutter this topic. |
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SolBlade said: UnderTheBridge said: MrAM said: I absolutely adore the Chimera Ant arc (my favorite HxH arc) and could write about it endlessly for days. But it doesn't put FMA to shame, because it had many of the same things that make that arc great, just in a different manner. If you don't see it, that's fine; opinions are opinions. But there's far, far more to FMA (Brotherhood and manga) than many people give it credit for. Is the original series that lacking? I personally think the original series deserves far more credit than it gets. While I personally prefer Brotherhood overall, the original FMA was better in some aspects. Especially with it's more bleak and depressing tone compared to Brotherhood. One of the few with anime-original that didn't rub me the wrong way. It's my favorite anime as of yet, and it really pisses me off that people think Brotherhood is like THE BEST EVAR but the original was just a stupid piece of shit. Cuz, I mean, no one liked the FMA franchise until Brotherhood came along, right? |
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renders said: Yoki? That was in the manga. I liked that the original kept it in. Brotherhood should have, considering he was in quite a few episodes as a comic relief. Brotherhood, honestly, should have had a few more episodes.SolBlade said: UnderTheBridge said: MrAM said: I absolutely adore the Chimera Ant arc (my favorite HxH arc) and could write about it endlessly for days. But it doesn't put FMA to shame, because it had many of the same things that make that arc great, just in a different manner. If you don't see it, that's fine; opinions are opinions. But there's far, far more to FMA (Brotherhood and manga) than many people give it credit for. Is the original series that lacking? I personally think the original series deserves far more credit than it gets. While I personally prefer Brotherhood overall, the original FMA was better in some aspects. Especially with it's more bleak and depressing tone compared to Brotherhood. One of the few with anime-original that didn't rub me the wrong way. I liked in brotherhood what they did with that moustached character I forgot his name...in the original there was a filler with him in a town with some bs mine story,but in here they introduced him,showed that filler in a flashback and moved on |
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UnderTheBridge said: renders said: Yoki? That was in the manga. I liked that the original kept it in. Brotherhood should have, considering he was in quite a few episodes as a comic relief. Brotherhood, honestly, should have had a few more episodes.SolBlade said: UnderTheBridge said: MrAM said: I absolutely adore the Chimera Ant arc (my favorite HxH arc) and could write about it endlessly for days. But it doesn't put FMA to shame, because it had many of the same things that make that arc great, just in a different manner. If you don't see it, that's fine; opinions are opinions. But there's far, far more to FMA (Brotherhood and manga) than many people give it credit for. Is the original series that lacking? I personally think the original series deserves far more credit than it gets. While I personally prefer Brotherhood overall, the original FMA was better in some aspects. Especially with it's more bleak and depressing tone compared to Brotherhood. One of the few with anime-original that didn't rub me the wrong way. I liked in brotherhood what they did with that moustached character I forgot his name...in the original there was a filler with him in a town with some bs mine story,but in here they introduced him,showed that filler in a flashback and moved on Brotherhood would be around 80 episodes if the first 10 weren't paced so fast. The first 10 episodes of Brotherhood cover the first 25 in the original, if I recall correctly. So basically, up to the point where |
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SolBlade said: That's true. Hughes was too lacking in Brotherhood/Manga. It made his UnderTheBridge said: renders said: Yoki? That was in the manga. I liked that the original kept it in. Brotherhood should have, considering he was in quite a few episodes as a comic relief. Brotherhood, honestly, should have had a few more episodes.I liked in brotherhood what they did with that moustached character I forgot his name...in the original there was a filler with him in a town with some bs mine story,but in here they introduced him,showed that filler in a flashback and moved on Brotherhood would be around 80 episodes if the first 10 weren't paced so fast. The first 10 episodes of Brotherhood cover the first 25 in the original, if I recall correctly. So basically, up to the point where Oh, and I like that they kept the Fullmetal vs. Flame fight in there. It made everything so much better. |
| y'all need to shut the fuck up. |
| I'd say that what makes an anime generic is if it's unmemorable and/or doesn't bring or try anything new, making it not stick out at all. Though generic doesn't necessarily automatically mean bad, I think they generally mean forgettable and one-dimensional. |
| And I mean that in the most sexually painful way possible. |
| Now a days: Boobs. 10 years ago: I dunno. Shows like Naruto/Bleach/One Piece/Dragon Ball. 20 years ago: Mechs? |
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shadedclan said: Or should generic anime not be made anymore? I think generic anime can still be bad. Sure, a lot of SoL anime are the same and don't add anything new to the genre, but I still find them enjoyable to watch. I don't think everything needs to be super interesting and ground breaking, sometimes I just want to watch school girls being cute. |
| Everything is generic nowadays |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
| Generic doesn't mean not enjoyable. Not everything can be the best thing ever. |
| generic? the perfect example for that would be Mahou Sensou which is currently airing. |
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