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| How frickin' Bad-ass is Mustang? Best episode of the series so far :D |
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| Delicious animation at some points. Awesome episode, Mustang is badass. |
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| Awesome episode. The best so far. |
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| O_O Fire! Fire! FIRE! BURN!!! Saying Mustang is badass would be an understatement. Seriously, great episode, everything was nicely done and I loved every bit of it. I seriously laughed hard during the scene with Alphonse and Winry at the end. |
| What a fucking episode. A-MA-ZING |
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| Most epic episode of both FMA series, hands down. The intensity and dynamism of the animation and direction in the fights and all scenaristic developments was simply unbelievable. And Hohenheim appears at the end of the episode on top of that. |
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| This episode BLEW my mind XD!! Opening scene was great! I loved Hawkeye's breakdown - it was very fresh in the sense that I've never seen her cry like before (since I didn't read the manga and I believe she didn't cry at all in FMA1) Havoc and Barry TT__TT... Roy definitely stole the spotlight this episode :3 ~!! <3 And I loved the ending cliffhanger with a beautiful and smooth transition of the ending song *nods* Can't wait till next week again :P Taihaku said: Omg, you have such a selfish friend. What right does he/she have to determine whether or not you can read the manga, don't listen to him/her >=(!! Read the manga if you want to!! I support this!! My friend is holding me back from reading the manga because he likes being the one who knows what's going to happen for once but after that episode....I don't think I can hold off much longer. legiogallica said: I beg to differ, it deviated from FMA1 veeeery early on :PI absolutely loved it. It was full of action and it ended with style. Mustang standing firmly to the very end... what a scene! i think this episode is where it starts to get interesting for the fans who havent read the manga. because the plot really starts to deviate from the previous series. |
| Freaking AMAZING EPISODE! |
| Greath fight. Roy was pretty badass and Al was badass 2. Liza Hawkeye was awesome! Poor Barry R.I.P. |
| "Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise" |
| Mustang used Fire Blast. It's super effective! Foe Lust fainted. |
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TJax said: hahahahaha XDMustang used Fire Blast. It's super effective! Foe Lust fainted. |
| awesome episode......i missed the "immortal!" moment from the manga though lol i loved ling and ran fan in the manga during this fight |
| Mustang really overruled this episode. He was epic, awesome, bad-ass and hot. Do want a wallpaper of him of this episode. |
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| Wish it showed Ran fan and Ling's fight versus greed and gluttony, other then that, awesome! |
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| whoa that was insane |
| Pure ownage provided to you by the Flame Alchemist. |
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| Burn Homunculus burn XD lol when Al's arm fell off well looks like Ed's dad is there too XD |
| Mustang kicks incredible amounts of ass. Lust was great, Havok was sad... love that supporting characters can actually be killed off in battles, shows actual plot movement. |
| Really good episode. It was kind of spoiled by the randomness of the Barry and Hohenheim scene at the end, but entertaining nonetheless. Shame Lust had to die, but I guess that's more of my attachment to her from the first series than this one speaking. As much as I like Al here more than in the first show, he's almost equally useless. He can do alchemy without a circle, and basically only manages to create a spear, and then be an iron shield for Riza. I really wish they'd do more with him. |
| Holy fucking shit! Roy Mustang was even more awesome in this episode, and I didn't even think that was possible. He was more badass, manly, and garish in this episode than he was in all of the original FMA. Seriously, he fucking rocks my socks. |
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| The massive level of Roy's manliness made me forgive the fact they took out the Ran Fan-Ling vs. Envy-Gluttony scenes. |
mouse_girl said: I wish they would slow it down just a tiny bit though. exactly my thoughts. The new series is pretty good but it feels a bit rushed. It gets -1 for badpacing |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
| LOL. I liked how Havoc and Roy just ran from Lust like a bunch of pussy's. Roy is and always will be useless in the rain. But dude...Lust is a crazy bitch. Holy shit. |
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Mutant_Ing55 said: The massive level of Roy's manliness made me forgive the fact they took out the Ran Fan-Ling vs. Envy-Gluttony scenes. Honestly, the episode was a lot better without these scenes. Ran Fan and Envy would have come from nowhere, and the scenes would have been a distraction from the direction, focus and pacing of the show, which was great. Besides, those scenes serve a purpose and could be inserted/adapted later on, they aren't pertinent plot points. noteDhero said: by the randomness of the Barry and Hohenheim scene at the end, but entertaining nonetheless. The Barry end scene could only be done in this episode, and was pretty ironic, even a little sad. Hohenheim was an obviously important segue to episode 20. The spear was very useless, but Lust would have cut/pierced through anything Al could have created, it's not as if he could easily create fire like Mustang. eyerok said: The new series is pretty good but it feels a bit rushed. It gets -1 for badpacing Details please, as to why this episode was badly paced. I don't understand. |
| I don't think the Barry scene was necessary, unless his body comes back for something, but even then, that surprise is gone. His "death" earlier was much better, and the end just takes away from that. As for Hohenheim, I know it's important, but it was random nonetheless, and incongruent to the tone of the episode. Maybe they should have done it in 18. |
noteDhero said: I don't think the Barry scene was necessary, unless his body comes back for something, but even then, that surprise is gone. His "death" earlier was much better, and the end just takes away from that. That was important too. Plot important. noteDhero said: As much as I like Al here more than in the first show, he's almost equally useless. He can do alchemy without a circle, and basically only manages to create a spear, and then be an iron shield for Riza. I really wish they'd do more with him. Thats because the anime studio tends to cut out all Al scenes...Which is sad...really... As for Hohenheim stuff, blame anime rearrangement... In the manga: First we have the whole Lust/Mustang/Havoc stuff (alongside the cut out Envy/Gluttony/Pride/Ling/RanFan/Fu encounter) in the underground. Then we have Ed at Xerxes plot, which latter culminates with him meeting Hohenheim at Risembool. If they did all according to manga, Hohenheim scene would not feel so...out of place. |
AhenshihaelAug 10, 2009 11:20 AM
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| Simply awesome. I do have to agree with Al not getting enough attention, it sucks D: |
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| Holy shit, Hohenheim!#@$% Like, what?!?! :OOOO Awesome cliffhanger that is. Mustang was such a badass this ep. Loved his epicness. |
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| OMG! That was so epic that I think I need to re-adjust all my ratings. I still have a slight buzz from it. |
KapuskyAug 10, 2009 11:41 AM
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Fai said: noteDhero said: As much as I like Al here more than in the first show, he's almost equally useless. He can do alchemy without a circle, and basically only manages to create a spear, and then be an iron shield for Riza. I really wish they'd do more with him. Thats because the anime studio tends to cut out all Al scenes...Which is sad...really... As for Hohenheim stuff, blame anime rearrangement... In the manga: First we have the whole Lust/Mustang/Havoc stuff (alongside the cut out Envy/Gluttony/Pride/Ling/RanFan/Fu encounter) in the underground. Then we have Ed at Xerxes plot, which latter culminates with him meeting Hohenheim at Risembool. If they did all according to manga, Hohenheim scene would not feel so...out of place. exactly which is why i wish they wouldnt reveal stuff before the manga did.....it makes more sense the manga's way |
noteDhero said: I don't think the Barry scene was necessary, unless his body comes back for something, but even then, that surprise is gone. His "death" earlier was much better, and the end just takes away from that. besides being important, it was better - for that one second it was shown he was alive, there was hope that Barry could be fixed, THEN he died. Besides, his death was much more telling and better written than a fodder death at the hands of Lust. Alright, do this: write down the two death scenes, and ask someone which is better. As for Hohenheim, I know it's important, but it was random nonetheless, and incongruent to the tone of the episode. Maybe they should have done it in 18. First, having that scene in 18 would destroy the cliffhanger in 18; second, episode 19 wasn't about Hohenheim - anime is less forgiving of nonlinear timelines than manga; third, it was supposed to be incongruent, because the next episode supposedly will have a different tone than this one. Note how the tone in the end of 18 matches with this episode - i.e. nothing wrong with shifts in tones, scenes, as long as they are done well. |
| That's your opinion that it was better. I don't think it was. It was trite to make the first death a fake out, just to kill him again. And then for him to be killed by his body, which was another fake out, made it overkill. I don't think it was better, I think it was overdone. The show has done abrupt deaths better. This was just dumb. But if it's important as Fai says it is, then whatever, it's not really going to matter, depending on the way things turn out. Not if they did it before the cliffihanger in 18, somewhere during 19, or right at the beginning of 20. Not every episode has to end with a "OMG" cliffhanger. Self contained episodes are fun too. As for the end of 18, it wasn't a discordant ending because they had been flipping back and forth between that mission and Xerxes the whole episode. But you're right, there is nothing wrong with shifts in tone and scenes as long as they're done right. I don't think it's really done right in this show, as it's been a complaint of mine since episode one. The episodes that I think are done well in Brotherhood are the ones that stick to one tone throughout: The melancholy of Scar vs Ed & Al; desperation in the Hughes episode; levity in the Rush Valley episode; and for the most part, the determinaiton of this episode (I'll ignore Jean's comic relief part with the boobs). |
noteDhero said: That's your opinion that it was better. I don't think it was. It was trite to make the first death a fake out, just to kill him again. And then for him to be killed by his body, which was another fake out, made it overkill. I don't think it was better, I think it was overdone. The show has done abrupt deaths better. This was just dumb. But if it's important as Fai says it is, then whatever, it's not really going to matter, depending on the way things turn out. Not if they did it before the cliffihanger in 18, somewhere during 19, or right at the beginning of 20. Not every episode has to end with a "OMG" cliffhanger. Self contained episodes are fun too. As for the end of 18, it wasn't a discordant ending because they had been flipping back and forth between that mission and Xerxes the whole episode. But you're right, there is nothing wrong with shifts in tone and scenes as long as they're done right. I don't think it's really done right in this show, as it's been a complaint of mine since episode one. The episodes that I think are done well in Brotherhood are the ones that stick to one tone throughout: The melancholy of Scar vs Ed & Al; desperation in the Hughes episode; levity in the Rush Valley episode; and for the most part, the determinaiton of this episode (I'll ignore Jean's comic relief part with the boobs). i cant remember for sure but i dont remember ever reading the boob part in the manga....i didnt care much for that part...but loved the rest of the episode |
fisher_88 said: eyerok said: The new series is pretty good but it feels a bit rushed. It gets -1 for badpacing Details please, as to why this episode was badly paced. I don't understand. Like I said, its too fast, especially compared to the original series. I do understand rushing it in the first few episode so they could be over with whatever story the original anime followed, but the episodes after are a bit fast-paced as well. Now whether or not thats a bad thing is probably subjective so my opinion might not be in the majority. But thats how I feel, thats all. |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
| oh god can it be more epic >< i totally love this one, mustangs fight and then the end. man thats a cool cliffhanger. but strangely i didnt feel its rushed. imo the first was a bit too slow so i am fine with the way it is. |
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Kiseki said: oh god can it be more epic >< i totally love this one, mustangs fight and then the end. man thats a cool cliffhanger. but strangely i didnt feel its rushed. imo the first was a bit too slow so i am fine with the way it is. yeah I guess thats true; the first one took about a 20 eps to really pick up. But its unusual for animes to have this sort of a pace...kinda reminds me of Avatar lol...not that its a bad thing. I've only started watching it 2 days ago so i might get used to it in a few days when I have to wait7 days for the next episode to come out. Then I'll probably be thanking them for making it faster-paced :P |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
| On Barry: Well, it's generally a rule that nonfodder characters deserve nonfodder deaths. And where was the first fakeout - Lust didn't cut up the symbol, there was no 'death' concern on Al/Liza. The previous time Lust killed someone with an armor, the death was obvious. The fakeout death with Barry's body was better: a) better written, scene-wise. b) nonfodder, 'satisfying' death with someone who deserved to kill him c) closed out the Barry-Barry relationship continually developed since last episode. That it was a better written death is a fact, not my opinion. It's a literary fact. I can go on about this later. On Hohenheim: It's hard to do two cliffhangers, then just address one, all without losing focus. After showing Ed with Hohenheim, then what? Cut to Barry's body, go over episode 19, then just casually pick up that plotline, all the while, some people would be distracted by the Ed scene? They could have had a self-contained episode, but the problem with self-contained episodes is that they are self-contained. Those episodes you mentioned all have stuff we could dwell upon. What about this episode? What reasons could there be to stop the plot from moving? Did any important protagonists die/is there significant character development coming/is there some foreshadowing? And lastly, there was hardly an episode that was singular in tone, I think. |
fisher_88Aug 10, 2009 1:19 PM
| I think the whole set up with Barry saying something to the effect of "I've wanted to cut you up most of all," to lust, and subsequently getting cut down by her is much more ironic than his second death where he was stuttering and totally helpless. He would have gone out protecting Al and Hawkeye while also chasing his ideals; instead he's destroyed by his rotting body that was "dead" a few minutes ago. I agree it would have been weird to place it in 18, but honestly, that episode was already piecey and had no focus so it wouldn't have mattered much. As for this episode, there was a lot of movement regarding Al's revelation of his own body, Mustang finding out about homunculi, Jean maybe being dead, Barry dying, and having Riza's breakdown that it would have been totally fine to leave the episode on the note with Al and Winry, which I thought was a perfect end. For whatever reason, you seem to like episodes ending with some type of wow factor. I like a bit of denoument unless the cliffhanger is tied in with the rest of the episode, so it's just aesthetic differences. |
| cant wait til next ep....i was just re-reading the manga and mei doesnt join scar til after the next episode in the manga....so thats one more thing they changed |
| OMG LUST FINALLY DIEEE! but i would like to see the fat one die first gosh (he's so digusting ><) soo, this is how to kill a homunculus :O haha, edward only appears for few minutes ^^' yeahh hohenheim apearrsss! next episode would be niceee. i hope havoc is ok! >< |
| Al's Defense Mode AWESOME Mustang's flame his stomach and draw a transmutation circle on his hand in blood OH YEAH LOL at the armor breaking part |
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noteDhero said: I think the whole set up with Barry saying something to the effect of "I've wanted to cut you up most of all," to lust, and subsequently getting cut down by her is much more ironic than his second death where he was stuttering and totally helpless. Who DID Barry want to cut up most of all? Who DID 'cut' him up? What ARE his ideals? Yup. Hey, I hated Barry's death as it was epically pathetic, but to be killed by anyone else, would have wasted all that dialogue he's had since last episode, his determination in entering the lab, his disappointment in finding his body. He would have had a hero's death that no one cared about (bec. it would take away from the Al's own heroism). Instead, he had an interesting, pathetic and ironic death that befits him. On this episode: None of the things you mentioned deserved dwelling, because it was all contained within that scene, they can think about the consequences later in flashbacks. None of the people you mentioned are thinking about the things you mentioned. If you accept that that scene has ended, there was no reason not to change scenes. Ending with Al would be fine, but it'd give the impression that the episode was about him. By the way, there is nothing dramatic about the cliffhanger - he met his father, so what? |
robbydesu said: Taihaku said: Omg, you have such a selfish friend. What right does he/she have to determine whether or not you can read the manga, don't listen to him/her >=(!! Read the manga if you want to!! I support this!! My friend is holding me back from reading the manga because he likes being the one who knows what's going to happen for once but after that episode....I don't think I can hold off much longer. Well......this is to get me back for me watching Code Geass R2 subs while he waited for the english dub. |
| ahh wow this episode was great! I really like this version of FMA, I guess its because it feels like it sticks to the point of the show without tons of added extras(even though I never read the manga..) Mustang was AWESOME!! and dare I say a little sexy at the end.. :) He burnt Lust up! I actually felt a sense of relief from her at the end. Al was awesome! I'm an Al fan anywhoo hehe ohhh and I felt kinda bad for Barry to end like that, this ep brought some tiny tears The preview for 20 looks interesting, he finally appears! |
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fisher88 said: Who DID Barry want to cut up most of all? Who DID 'cut' him up? What ARE his ideals? Yup. Hey, I hated Barry's death as it was epically pathetic, but to be killed by anyone else, would have wasted all that dialogue he's had since last episode, his determination in entering the lab, his disappointment in finding his body. He would have had a hero's death that no one cared about (bec. it would take away from the Al's own heroism). Instead, he had an interesting, pathetic and ironic death that befits him. On this episode: None of the things you mentioned deserved dwelling, because it was all contained within that scene, they can think about the consequences later in flashbacks. None of the people you mentioned are thinking about the things you mentioned. If you accept that that scene has ended, there was no reason not to change scenes. Ending with Al would be fine, but it'd give the impression that the episode was about him. By the way, there is nothing dramatic about the cliffhanger - he met his father, so what? That's all well and good, but like I said, it's spoiled by the fact that he presumably died in a more entertaining and final fashion minutes earlier. Had the death been the same without making us feel like both characters had died earlier in the episode, the effect would be markedly different, and I wouldn't have had a problem. The way they did it here rendered one of them unnecessary, and I feel like it was the latter death. It doesn't really have anything to do with dwelling on something. We had those scenes and that's it. The end. There was no reason to change the whole tone and look of the episode by going to Ed just so he could run into Hohenheim. Again, it was unnecessary. The episode was partly about him and his body as much as it was about Barry and his body, Lust and her body, and Mustang and Riza. But they chose to cap it off with him and Winry in a conclusive manner, so that's why I say end it there. Come on, it's the 19th episode and we see Ed and Al's absent father (who looks just like the Homunculi's Father) whom he hates show up randomly for the first time in Resembool. It's a cliffhanger, and cliffhangers, by definition are meant to be dramatic. |
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