American television or animes ??

Ulquiorra1923 said:


The only stuff I enjoy reading is manga.
Nothing else.
Of course and subtitles too.That's about everything

MajinSaga said:


Pathetic and laughable.

NeoAnkara said:
Why only American show?

Cupquake said:


Because the earth revolves around America

NeoAnkara said:
Sad for my little insignificance country.

NeoAnkara said:
Why only American show?

sherlock5545 said:

Still better than 'Murica.

MajinSaga said:


A third world shit hole (indonesia) vs the US.

Hmmmm

JD2411 said:
The US is comparable to a 3rd world country

Higashi_no_Kaze said:


From a neutral perspective you're more pathetic though. MajinSaga at least watches anime so his baseless rants are still based on more than your pathetic opinion on everything non-anime. I kinda think you're trolling us most of the time, but then again there ARE sad weeaboos like that so what do I know.

MajinSaga said:
Don't get me wrong. I still like anime (will not so much anymore), but it's constantly being held back due to catering to it's specific fan base. Production companies flat out refuse to take risks with their stories and pretty much end up being the same old cliche boring thing over and over again.

MajinSaga said:


Nah, it's fact among critics and overall the general public.

The Wire has been compared to Shakespeare and Dostoevsky. The same can't be said about any anime tv series.

Xenoi said:
I started watching anime when i watched them in my childhood on American Television....

TV have some very good shows, but TV is dying as a medium of entertainment as more people who want to watch whenever and wherever they want.(Internet streaming, pirating, download and put on mobile devices,etc)

And the fact of paying $90+ to get a package of channels where the majority is crap and I only watch a few channels with good shows.(Well my TV is free since verizon gave it free) People would rather pirate than pay unless it is cheap and have good shows(why Netflix is doing good).

American television and Hollywood movies seem to whitewash everything, its probably only me though. But i haven't seen an Asian lead, and been hearing movies based on books and stuff replaced with white only casts(mostly movies though not tv).


If I don't cherry pick shows, overall i enjoy anime more than TV.
But if i do, TV shows are more memorable to me since they have more variety in stories that interest me while anime been catering to certain fanbases and producing nothing new and different(no serious sci-fi unless it is mecha, no serious crime not detective conan, or it is is short lived since there are few long running multiple season anime).

Monad said:


Some US TV series can be good but they are a painful experience that makes you want to stop bothering because most of them get cancelled. After the 10th series you liked gets cancelled you start feeling annoyed.
Especially. Sci-fi. Those never manage to actually finish anything.

Higashi_no_Kaze said:
These threads are repetitive. OPs thought process in all these threads:

"I'm unable to watch past the crappy reality TV on TV when I get home from school so I use logic to conclude that all TV series are shit by default and I feel like getting a pat on the shoulder for that intensive throught process and where to better get that than in a forum full of weeaboos? MAL here I come!"


American Television is vastly superior when it comes to anything crime-related (Breaking Bad, The Wire, Oz, The Shield, probably more) and in terms of social commentary comedy (South Park, Boston Legal, Community etc...). It's also great in terms of sci-fi (Babylon 5, New Battlestar Galactica etc..).

In general it's superior in terms of running-time to all anime except the top 10 mainstream ones, at least once a series is somewhat popular and doesn't get cancelled during season 1 or 2. So for serious storytelling there's just more time to develop a long-lasting plot, compared to the average 13-26 episode series (additionally the episodes in anime are only half as long if not less). I see that as an advantage as well. If something is successful it will get more seasons immediately, and you guys all know that anime does not do that at all. If The Wire was anime it would have been a 12 episode series advertising a manga or something like that, and I wouldn't have gotten 5 full seasons of awesome.

pralan said:
With America you mean the continent or Murica?
I watch Anime because there are nothing good on tv

Higashi_no_Kaze said:


Well, I can see your point, but where is the difference to anime except anime are planned to stay unfinished (and only advertise the LN/manga/novel/multimedia project they are adapting) from the start in many cases, even if they are sucessful. Or it takes a decade for a remake to come out because the manga publishes very slowly.
In Western TV you have just as good/bad chances of your favorite series getting really long as you have for your favorite anime to get a lot of sequels. if you're cancelled unjustly after 10 episodes or if you only announce an incomplete run of 12 episodes doesn't really make a difference to me in the long run.

MajinSaga said:


They can't draw, that's why. When they are cast as leads their box office numbers and ratings are abysmall compared to a white or black lead cast.

Higashi_no_Kaze said:


Well, I can see your point, but where is the difference to anime except anime are planned to stay unfinished (and only advertise the LN/manga/novel/multimedia project they are adapting) from the start in many cases, even if they are sucessful. Or it takes a decade for a remake to come out because the manga publishes very slowly.
In Western TV you have just as good/bad chances of your favorite series getting really long as you have for your favorite anime to get a lot of sequels. if you're cancelled unjustly after 10 episodes or if you only announce an incomplete run of 12 episodes doesn't really make a difference to me in the long run.

Higashi_no_Kaze said:
@sherlock: Sure, real actors instead of animation has its pros and cons, but that's kinda obvious, isn't it? It's like saying anime has the 'problem' that it lacks realism compared to live action with real actors. Sure, actors don't wanna spend their whole life in one series, that's why there are different James Bonds or Dr. Who's. It's just a challenge to the writers and while it can be problematic in some cases, I wouldn't call it a flaw of the medium unless we call everything that anime can't do a flaw too.
As for the actors changing their looks, I don't see that as much of an issue either. Make-up technology can handly most of that nowadays and even if not there's still only a small amount of suspension of disbelief needed for it to still work, which shouldn't be a problem for anime fans considering how much suspension of disbelief many anime series expect from their viewers.

I'd like to know which people are implying that everything on american Tv is 'gold'. Certainly not the people on MAL ^^. And obviously there's a lot of shit, I've dropped about as many TV series as I completed, if not more.

Ulquiorra1923 said:

I don't like anything else besides anime.
Too boring to see real people .

Higashi_no_Kaze said:
@Monad: I have to highly doubt that 'most anime series get second or third seasons'. Maybe 15 years ago, but not today. And waiting 5 years for a sequel is the same as not getting one at all, it's all about being excited about the show while you watch it and then being disappointed by incomplete endings even if they are extremely successful (take AoT as a recent and popular example).

Basically being adaptions has their upsides and downsides. If AoT was a successful series in america it would definitely have gotten more sequels sooner rather than later, but being an adaption it can't adapt what hasn't been written yet. On the other hand if adaptions get dropped you can always read the manga as you mentioned (though for me personally that isn't an argument, if I have to read the manga on my screen it takes away 90% of the enjoyment that the anime gave me.).

It's not like I don't get your frustrations with sudden cancellations. I still hate them for ending My Name is Earl IN THE MIDDLE OF A TWO-PART EPISODE for gods sake. But as someone familiar with that frustration I can say it feels similar when I watch a 12 episode anime and start getting into it and at the point where I really start digging it it just ends. Which happens all the time. Only good thing is that a lot of anime are s-o-l or otherwise not relying on the plot to be the main drive, so it's often not that bad. Still, that's why I'll always prefer long-running shounen or sports anime over most other genres, they are long enough to actually fall in love with the show.

I think it's safe to say from a consumer's perspective both industries are heavily flawed.

Amble said:


How bout you get a fucking life and stop being a loser?

sherlock5545 said:
@Higashi_no_Kaze, I completely agree on that. Well, the most problematic flaw of anime in general is its persistent reliance on adapting other media. As long long as animation studios will keep relying on manga, VNs, LNs and so on, most of the anime will have that annoying interruption at some point.

That's also the reason why original anime tend to be better when compared to adapted ones.

Chibi-Alice said:
Anime of course.

MC-sama said:
You're on an anime site.

What do you think almost everyone will respond with?

Higashi_no_Kaze said:
Date, first of all I wasn't talking about Japanese TV Dramas at all. There are those super-long running TV series in every country, but they usually are just sucky soap operas in my experience and not what I'm talking about when I talk about good or decent TV series. Even America has stuff like Sesame Street or All My Children that have been running for over 40 years. That's not quality TV though, imo. I doubt it's much different in Japan. Being TOO long makes it very likely a series sucks, especially if it is not s-o-l but plot-orientated.

Anyway, my point regarding anime still stands, especially for anime nowadays. There are the ~10-15 long-running shows like Sazae-san or Doraemon, but the rest is just late-night shows with 12-26 episodes.