Why do so many anime fans here think people who prefer older anime only like them for nostalgia factor?
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Feb 19, 2014 6:37 PM
#251
I know AT was involved. It does have a Dragon Ball feeling to it. It's a Dragon Quest character? Mod Note: Quote tower removed. There is absolutely no reason to create a quote tower, when you reply to the user immediately above you! |
rodacFeb 20, 2014 8:34 PM
Feb 19, 2014 6:42 PM
#252
My avatar is the final boss from 1988's Dragon Quest 3 which was a massive step up from the previous titles. Mod Note: Quote tower removed. There is absolutely no reason to create a quote tower, when you reply to the user immediately above you! |
rodacFeb 20, 2014 8:34 PM
Feb 19, 2014 6:43 PM
#253
People like to group Anime and the people who like it all in one clump. That is a huge mistake because there are vastly different types of Anime fan. I think the 80s/90s Anime fans vs the modern Anime fans are very different. There are plenty of people who love or at least like both, but we are ultimately two different sets of fans. It's kinda funny now that I think about it, but I have really been getting into One Piece lately. One Piece started in 1997 though and it was heavily inspired by Toriyama who was the king of the 80s/90s so it isn't a "modern Anime". There are certainly people who like things because of nostalgia, but sometimes people want to use that as a scapegoat to justify a difference in opinion. |
Feb 19, 2014 6:50 PM
#254
@BlackSabotage best game ever made tjhat is Mod note: Quote tower removed. |
rodacFeb 20, 2014 8:37 PM
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Feb 19, 2014 6:55 PM
#255
BlackSabotage said: My avatar is the final boss from 1988's Dragon Quest 3 which was a massive step up from the previous titles.DrGeroCreation said: BlackSabotage said: I know AT was involved. It does have a Dragon Ball feeling to it. It's a Dragon Quest character?DrGeroCreation said: Same guy who did the art for Dragon ball does the art and monster design for Dragon Quest. Just me or does my avatar look mistakable for a DBZ character?BlackSabotage said: I can't answer that because I have never watched the anime or played the games.DrGeroCreation said: I am very glad this thread was created because as a DBZ fan I experience this a lot. People thinking the only reason I like DBZ is because of nostalgia. Liking an anime only or mainly because of nostalgia is absurd to me. So you like a an anime just because you used to watch it as a kid no other reason. When you were a kid there must of been some reasons why you specifically liked that anime. IMO people who only liked an anime because of nostalgia never genuinely liked the anime or are incapable of fully expressing why they liked the anime. When it comes to me nostalgia alone can't make me like an anime. For example take my top 4 childhood anime (DBZ, Yu -Gi -OH, Rurouni Kenshin and Tekkaman Blade) I like DBZ because it has a perfect amalgam of sci fi and fantasy elements that isn't very common in other anime, it has some of the most unique aliens in fiction, it can fluctuate from being serious (Saiyan saga, Frieza saga etc) to completely silly(Buu saga), it has really unique characters like Cell, Buu and Piccolo and intense fights although they are long and dragged out because of fillers. I like Yu - Gi -OH because it includes aspects of ancient Egyptian mythology and there are games of life and death. I like seeing the different yami no games and the rules and penalty games (punishments) that are associated with them, the Pharaoh's past also intrigued me. I like Rurouni Kenshin because of the historical setting that is mainly devoid of magic and other supernatural elements thus giving it a realistic feeling and I also liked that some actual historical events were included. I really liked the animation used for the sword fights and the soundtrack, Kenshin's back story also intrigued me. I yearned to know the history of this former hitokiri now turned pacifist. I like Tekkaman Blade because of the main idea of the villains being the protagonist's family and friends that he must defeat Do you like Dragon Quest? |
Feb 19, 2014 6:56 PM
#256
@NoSurrender1690 best game ever made tjhat is Hell yeah lol! Mod note: unnecessary quote tower removed. |
rodacFeb 20, 2014 8:41 PM
Feb 19, 2014 7:00 PM
#257
DrGeroCreation said: Well he's a rather generic puppet master pulling the strings type of boss who you don't see till the end but I loved how when I first got to him I was like holy shit that guy looks DBZ as hell. Actually DQ 4 probably had a much more interesting final boss as well as storyline though it was a rather linear game in comparison. I liked how in DQ 4 Akiras art really started to show through.BlackSabotage said: My avatar is the final boss from 1988's Dragon Quest 3 which was a massive step up from the previous titles.DrGeroCreation said: BlackSabotage said: I know AT was involved. It does have a Dragon Ball feeling to it. It's a Dragon Quest character?DrGeroCreation said: Same guy who did the art for Dragon ball does the art and monster design for Dragon Quest. Just me or does my avatar look mistakable for a DBZ character?BlackSabotage said: I can't answer that because I have never watched the anime or played the games.DrGeroCreation said: I am very glad this thread was created because as a DBZ fan I experience this a lot. People thinking the only reason I like DBZ is because of nostalgia. Liking an anime only or mainly because of nostalgia is absurd to me. So you like a an anime just because you used to watch it as a kid no other reason. When you were a kid there must of been some reasons why you specifically liked that anime. IMO people who only liked an anime because of nostalgia never genuinely liked the anime or are incapable of fully expressing why they liked the anime. When it comes to me nostalgia alone can't make me like an anime. For example take my top 4 childhood anime (DBZ, Yu -Gi -OH, Rurouni Kenshin and Tekkaman Blade) I like DBZ because it has a perfect amalgam of sci fi and fantasy elements that isn't very common in other anime, it has some of the most unique aliens in fiction, it can fluctuate from being serious (Saiyan saga, Frieza saga etc) to completely silly(Buu saga), it has really unique characters like Cell, Buu and Piccolo and intense fights although they are long and dragged out because of fillers. I like Yu - Gi -OH because it includes aspects of ancient Egyptian mythology and there are games of life and death. I like seeing the different yami no games and the rules and penalty games (punishments) that are associated with them, the Pharaoh's past also intrigued me. I like Rurouni Kenshin because of the historical setting that is mainly devoid of magic and other supernatural elements thus giving it a realistic feeling and I also liked that some actual historical events were included. I really liked the animation used for the sword fights and the soundtrack, Kenshin's back story also intrigued me. I yearned to know the history of this former hitokiri now turned pacifist. I like Tekkaman Blade because of the main idea of the villains being the protagonist's family and friends that he must defeat Do you like Dragon Quest? |
Feb 19, 2014 7:17 PM
#258
BlackSabotage said: Clearly, unless you're currently watching said anime, your perception of that anime is affected by nostalgia.Aylaine said: How can nostalgia play a part of something that was not a part of my childhood?Nostalgia plays a part, no matter what someone says in my opinion. How large of a part is questionable, but there really are individuals out there who just watch want they want. I go about my anime time in this way usually, but nostalgia can still get the better of me at times. Nostalgia confirmed for corrupting the whole anime community. |
Feb 19, 2014 8:02 PM
#259
Ckan said: And its the dawn of the age of Aquarius!BlackSabotage said: Clearly, unless you're currently watching said anime, your perception of that anime is affected by nostalgia.Aylaine said: How can nostalgia play a part of something that was not a part of my childhood?Nostalgia plays a part, no matter what someone says in my opinion. How large of a part is questionable, but there really are individuals out there who just watch want they want. I go about my anime time in this way usually, but nostalgia can still get the better of me at times. Nostalgia confirmed for corrupting the whole anime community. |
Feb 19, 2014 11:07 PM
#260
I don't believe we are ultimately different because we all like the same thing in the end. One day when your older and you stick with the anime you liked when they first came and younger fans are going to say the same thing to you. If you don't like a anime because it's aged then you can't exactly call your self an anime fan can you. |
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Feb 19, 2014 11:16 PM
#261
BlackSabotage said: I should really check out DQ sometime although I'm not really a fan of RPGs.DrGeroCreation said: Well he's a rather generic puppet master pulling the strings type of boss who you don't see till the end but I loved how when I first got to him I was like holy shit that guy looks DBZ as hell. Actually DQ 4 probably had a much more interesting final boss as well as storyline though it was a rather linear game in comparison. I liked how in DQ 4 Akiras art really started to show through.BlackSabotage said: My avatar is the final boss from 1988's Dragon Quest 3 which was a massive step up from the previous titles.DrGeroCreation said: BlackSabotage said: I know AT was involved. It does have a Dragon Ball feeling to it. It's a Dragon Quest character?DrGeroCreation said: Same guy who did the art for Dragon ball does the art and monster design for Dragon Quest. Just me or does my avatar look mistakable for a DBZ character?BlackSabotage said: I can't answer that because I have never watched the anime or played the games.DrGeroCreation said: I am very glad this thread was created because as a DBZ fan I experience this a lot. People thinking the only reason I like DBZ is because of nostalgia. Liking an anime only or mainly because of nostalgia is absurd to me. So you like a an anime just because you used to watch it as a kid no other reason. When you were a kid there must of been some reasons why you specifically liked that anime. IMO people who only liked an anime because of nostalgia never genuinely liked the anime or are incapable of fully expressing why they liked the anime. When it comes to me nostalgia alone can't make me like an anime. For example take my top 4 childhood anime (DBZ, Yu -Gi -OH, Rurouni Kenshin and Tekkaman Blade) I like DBZ because it has a perfect amalgam of sci fi and fantasy elements that isn't very common in other anime, it has some of the most unique aliens in fiction, it can fluctuate from being serious (Saiyan saga, Frieza saga etc) to completely silly(Buu saga), it has really unique characters like Cell, Buu and Piccolo and intense fights although they are long and dragged out because of fillers. I like Yu - Gi -OH because it includes aspects of ancient Egyptian mythology and there are games of life and death. I like seeing the different yami no games and the rules and penalty games (punishments) that are associated with them, the Pharaoh's past also intrigued me. I like Rurouni Kenshin because of the historical setting that is mainly devoid of magic and other supernatural elements thus giving it a realistic feeling and I also liked that some actual historical events were included. I really liked the animation used for the sword fights and the soundtrack, Kenshin's back story also intrigued me. I yearned to know the history of this former hitokiri now turned pacifist. I like Tekkaman Blade because of the main idea of the villains being the protagonist's family and friends that he must defeat Do you like Dragon Quest? |
Feb 19, 2014 11:23 PM
#262
BlackSabotage said: Ckan said: And its the dawn of the age of Aquarius!BlackSabotage said: Clearly, unless you're currently watching said anime, your perception of that anime is affected by nostalgia.Aylaine said: How can nostalgia play a part of something that was not a part of my childhood?Nostalgia plays a part, no matter what someone says in my opinion. How large of a part is questionable, but there really are individuals out there who just watch want they want. I go about my anime time in this way usually, but nostalgia can still get the better of me at times. Nostalgia confirmed for corrupting the whole anime community. |
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Feb 19, 2014 11:40 PM
#263
Feb 20, 2014 12:09 AM
#264
If nostalgia plays a part in people's view of a show, I say more power to them. I don't know where, somewhere along the line, people decided that the highest form of viewing was one where you completely detached yourself from everything else and dispassionately watched the show with the mind of an "objective" critic/accountant, passively adding the little pluses and minuses until you end up with a final, rankable numerical score that so many seem to obsess over. Personally, I think we lose something valuable that way, including the ability and benefits of viewing something viscerally instead of critically. A big part of this is the realization that people are not always watching the same "show". By that, I mean that there are other things that influence how we view things than just the pictures and sounds on the screen. When I first watched Evangelion, it was in the context of it being completely new, mysterious, and causing the rec.arts.anime to absolutely implode in anticipation as the tapes trickled out of Japan. Now, when you view you know you've got an entirely new film series to supplement/replace it, all of the secrets are already out, and you can binge watch anyway . Same with watching Makoka Magica as it aired and seeing /a/ (and here) go insane every week with bizarre plot theories and text decryptions. Same with going to a convention and meeting one of the creators of the show you're watching. I heard one person mention once that they first watched the Yu-Gi-Oh cartoon while his parents were in the midst of a nasty divorce, and that he viewed it as a temporary shelter in the storm and something to look forward to when everything else around him was falling apart. Did I like the show very much? It was okay for what it was, but great? No. But then again, I wasn't watching the same "show" he was. It's not logical, and that's not a bad thing. You can have the best filet mignon in the world in a smelly, crumbling restaurant versus a simple hamburger with friends at your house, and you might enjoy the second scenario more, because many of us judge the meal experience rather than just the food. This ability to not need to continually question my feelings is why I prefer being an anime (or any medium) fan instead of just an unpaid critic. |
Feb 20, 2014 12:18 AM
#265
Let the sky fall; the earth shatter. We will remember! Then we shall yearn! And the mighty shall be gladder for it. When first Nostalgic, at Heaven's command Arose afrom that ol' ancient age; This was the charter of the land, And newfags were enraged: "Rule, Nostalgia! Nostalgia rule the nets: "Nostalgic minds preset." |
Feb 20, 2014 12:40 AM
#266
I've seen people bash modern anime, and now apparently people are bashing older anime. Lol? If the anime is good who cares?! |
Feb 20, 2014 1:36 AM
#267
_Myst said: I've seen people bash modern anime, and now apparently people are bashing older anime. Lol? If the anime is good who cares?! THANK YOU!!!!!!! I swear fans will argue over everything even about there fav charecters not being as perfect as they want them to be |
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Feb 20, 2014 3:03 AM
#268
i like old and new anime i don't just watch one side, enjoying old animes has nothin to do with nostalgia i watch old animes ive never seen before and enjoy them. its stupid to think old anime isn't good because its old |
Feb 20, 2014 4:21 AM
#269
ross123456 said: i like old and new anime i don't just watch one side, enjoying old animes has nothin to do with nostalgia i watch old animes ive never seen before and enjoy them. its stupid to think old anime isn't good because its old It is stupid thinking that way, old or new it doesn't matter and if we not forget that it's the old anime that was the building blocks that made the anime of today so really the people who only like New anime should be more grateful for old anime for the new ones we have today |
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Feb 20, 2014 6:49 AM
#270
Just watch ALL the anime! /thread |
Feb 20, 2014 7:25 AM
#271
otaking97 said: I ain't Stark700Just watch ALL the anime! /thread |
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Feb 20, 2014 7:29 AM
#272
Forgetfulness said: sherlock5545 said: Favorites: Fate/ZeroCGI will ruin anime. That is for certain. Okay then ._. Fate/Zero isn't pure CGI. Look at Pixar for real CGI. That would look completely horrible with any anime. As of now, CGI is used in almost all anime, the amount, however, is the key. Only small things are CGI'd. |
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Feb 20, 2014 7:32 AM
#273
otaking97 said: #impossibru.Just watch ALL the anime! /thread |
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Feb 20, 2014 7:34 AM
#274
Because older anime are inferior to newer ones in general. |
Feb 20, 2014 7:35 AM
#275
what i'm tired of hearing is "What is with all new anime being ecchi and harems" bro Mahou Sensei Negima released in 2005... 9 years old. Is that not old enough? Love Hina released in 2000... 14 years old. Is that not old enough? Tenchi Muyo released in 1995.... 19 years old. Not old enough? Ranma 1/2 released in 1989... 25 years old... ecchi only though iirc. anime has always had ecchi and perverted scenes... even anime back in the day. Little rant that always comes up when people discuss old anime with recent anime series. |
ZelotFeb 20, 2014 7:38 AM
Feb 20, 2014 8:31 AM
#276
Ranma 1/2 is most definitely a harem and also a reverse harem. That's what makes the show, a main pairing where both parts are tsundere and have/get their own harem during the show ^^. It wasn't the main point of the show, but definitely there. |
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Feb 20, 2014 8:33 AM
#277
Korrvo said: otaking97 said: I ain't Stark700Just watch ALL the anime! /thread There can be only one! Watching all of the anime would implode my mind, methinks. Besides, would the good experiences outweigh the bad ones? |
Feb 20, 2014 10:39 AM
#278
Just replace older tabletop RPGs with older anime: For some reason, when I tell other gamers I'm playing OD&D (or AD&D, or B/X, et cetera), I often hear comments about my "nostalgia" or my "rose colored glasses." I find this both odd and annoying. The idea behind "rose colored glasses" is that your perception is being altered, and that you aren't seeing things as they truly are. If you're "looking back through rose colored glasses," it means that you're not seeing clearly, with the implication that time has tricked your memory, making the past seem better than it actually was. You only see the good stuff through the rose colored glasses. So this is a neat turn of phrase, a flippant dismissal of any fond feelings for older editions like OD&D. Nevertheless, while glib, the phrase doesn't apply to me and my enthusiam for OD&D. Rose colored glasses only "work" when you're looking back on an experience. Once you actually go back and experience it, again, the glasses stop working. At that point, the experience must stand or fall on its own merits (or lack thereof). I'm not looking back fondly on OD&D, I'm currently playing it. When I say I like it, it's not because rose colored glasses have skewed my perception of the past; it's because I like the experience I'm currently having. Rose colored glasses? Nope. Aaand another: "Rose-coloured glasses" is just another way of saying you were not really having fun, you just thought you were. It's the same as Ron Edwards' "brain damage", or saying we're like child sex abuse victims. It's bullshit. If I say I'm having fun, then I'm having fun. It may be a profound and meaningful fun, a shallow and stupid fun, I may or may not understand exactly what about the experience makes it fun, it may be the people rather than the thing we're doing, or vice versa. But I am indeed having fun. "But my elaborate theory about roleplaying says that what you're doing cannot possibly be fun; therefore it's not real fun you were and are having, you must be crazy or stupid." Bollocks. |
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Feb 20, 2014 12:14 PM
#279
UnculturedWhitey said: I like this post.Just replace older tabletop RPGs with older anime: For some reason, when I tell other gamers I'm playing OD&D (or AD&D, or B/X, et cetera), I often hear comments about my "nostalgia" or my "rose colored glasses." I find this both odd and annoying. The idea behind "rose colored glasses" is that your perception is being altered, and that you aren't seeing things as they truly are. If you're "looking back through rose colored glasses," it means that you're not seeing clearly, with the implication that time has tricked your memory, making the past seem better than it actually was. You only see the good stuff through the rose colored glasses. So this is a neat turn of phrase, a flippant dismissal of any fond feelings for older editions like OD&D. Nevertheless, while glib, the phrase doesn't apply to me and my enthusiam for OD&D. Rose colored glasses only "work" when you're looking back on an experience. Once you actually go back and experience it, again, the glasses stop working. At that point, the experience must stand or fall on its own merits (or lack thereof). I'm not looking back fondly on OD&D, I'm currently playing it. When I say I like it, it's not because rose colored glasses have skewed my perception of the past; it's because I like the experience I'm currently having. Rose colored glasses? Nope. Aaand another: "Rose-coloured glasses" is just another way of saying you were not really having fun, you just thought you were. It's the same as Ron Edwards' "brain damage", or saying we're like child sex abuse victims. It's bullshit. If I say I'm having fun, then I'm having fun. It may be a profound and meaningful fun, a shallow and stupid fun, I may or may not understand exactly what about the experience makes it fun, it may be the people rather than the thing we're doing, or vice versa. But I am indeed having fun. "But my elaborate theory about roleplaying says that what you're doing cannot possibly be fun; therefore it's not real fun you were and are having, you must be crazy or stupid." Bollocks. |
Feb 20, 2014 1:22 PM
#280
Feb 20, 2014 1:23 PM
#281
I wish I could watch that many at a time and not get distracted. My attention span = squirrel. |
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Feb 20, 2014 3:06 PM
#282
Some of my favorites are much older than I am so I don't know if you can call that nostalgia, I didn't grow up with them. |
Feb 20, 2014 3:53 PM
#283
can't we all just watch whatever the hell we want regardless how old or new it is?stop labeling stuff people! |
Feb 20, 2014 4:17 PM
#284
Feb 21, 2014 11:53 AM
#285
Feb 21, 2014 12:02 PM
#286
Not necesarily true. I havent watched old anime in the past, and the stuff I did I dont see as very great. Sure I had fun watching Pokemon, Digimon, DB(Z), and other old anime, but I dont see them as particularly great. But other stuff like some old movies truly are great. Especially the Ghibli Movies, or Jin-Roh which I saw recently. Also stuff like Cowboy Bepop, Berserk, GTO and Trigun. Sure there was also stuff I didnt find all that great. Like Sailor Moon, Angels Egg or NGE, but that is my opinion. Would I say that older anime are better in general? Probably not. I simply havent seen enough, and the ones that remain popular to this day to actually be picked up by people are only the good ones anyway. Who know how much shit was produced back then which we simply forgot about or arent available anymore? |
Feb 21, 2014 12:04 PM
#287
Part of it can be nostalgia, but it's not exclusive. However if you only like older anime and nothing newer (whatever your metrics may be), I find that a bit odd and forced. Sort of how a certain type will avoid anything popular. Seems silly. |
Feb 21, 2014 12:34 PM
#288
sherlock5545 said: Forgetfulness said: sherlock5545 said: Favorites: Fate/ZeroCGI will ruin anime. That is for certain. Okay then ._. Fate/Zero isn't pure CGI. Look at Pixar for real CGI. That would look completely horrible with any anime. As of now, CGI is used in almost all anime, the amount, however, is the key. Only small things are CGI'd. Well these days most mechas and stuff with large scale battles have major things CG'd. |
Feb 21, 2014 12:38 PM
#289
It's a fallacy that people use when they did not enjoy something others do nor can they comprehend why someone would like that series. I once had someone tell me that I liked the GitS movie because of nostalgia, which is not even true since I saw it mid or late 2013. Most people aren't used to the different animation they use as well since they are so used to the recent kind of animation. Zelot said: They're classic harems sure, but there isn't as much then than there are now.what i'm tired of hearing is "What is with all new anime being ecchi and harems" bro Mahou Sensei Negima released in 2005... 9 years old. Is that not old enough? Love Hina released in 2000... 14 years old. Is that not old enough? Tenchi Muyo released in 1995.... 19 years old. Not old enough? Ranma 1/2 released in 1989... 25 years old... ecchi only though iirc. anime has always had ecchi and perverted scenes... even anime back in the day. Little rant that always comes up when people discuss old anime with recent anime series. |
RX-782Feb 21, 2014 12:44 PM
Feb 21, 2014 3:12 PM
#290
I'm a bit surprised that this subject is so controversial. In many areas of art and entertainment, old productions are still extremely popular, and in some areas, they are far more popular than the current material, and few people see anything weird about it. In classical music and opera, the familiar music of the 18th and 19th centuries is far more popular than contemporary works, and nostalgic appeal is seldom cited as the reason. Creativity has been with humanity for a long time, and I doubt it has suddenly increased or decreased in recent years. Tastes and styles certainly can change rapidly with time, and we certainly see this with anime. Probably the only old series that I have watched largely for its nostalgic appeal is the original Gatchaman. I watched this series in the late 1970s when I was a child, and it is interesting to see it again now. Since it is not the sort of series I would ordinarily watch these days, I doubt I would have run into it if I hadn't remembered it from so many years ago. Nostalgia alone cannot carry a series for me, and this one does have many other good qualities, but I find that it has a dosage limit and I only watch a few episodes every now and then. I have watched a few other old series and one-shot films, including some dating back to the beginnings of anime in the 1910s-1920s. In some cases, historical interest is the primary reason for enjoyment. This is different from nostalgia, but the two can certainly occur together. I like to see how art forms change and progress over time, so it is natural that I would want to see where anime comes from. However, some of these ancient anime films are enjoyable for other reasons. Stylistic, they are nothing like the anime of today and look like they came from a completely different artistic culture, but many of them are well-written and well-executed artistically. The technology available as early as the 1930s or 1940s was good enough for skilled people to make excellent animated films. Most of the best animated films from that time came from the United States, but Japan had some worthwhile productions. One genre of animated film that I have always loved is World War II propaganda. Japan, like other nations involved in the war, made animated propaganda. The cultural productions of the losing side in a big war have a tendency not to survive, so I wonder how many have been lost. Fortunately, two of Japan's propaganda masterpieces, the Momotarou films of 1943 and 1945, have survived. I watched the first, and while it certainly is historically interesting, it is also a lot of fun and good for a few laughs, and it is well made. I certainly don't get a sense of nostalgia from films like these, but there are many other reasons to watch them. I certainly like old anime, but I also find lots of new productions to enjoy. The styles are certainly different, but I like variety. Black and white thinking on this issue isn't necessary or even desirable, so it is unclear to me why this topic is so controversial that it has generated such a massive thread in a very short time. One time period isn't necessarily better than another, and we are free to enjoy the entire century of anime from the 1910s to the 2010s if we so choose. Incidentally, I don't even see the 1990s as old. The style seems to be a little different, but perhaps because I am old, that decade doesn't seem so long ago to me. For me to feel like something is old, it probably has to date from the mid-1980s or earlier. |
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Feb 21, 2014 3:37 PM
#291
WeirdHeather said: I'm a bit surprised that this subject is so controversial. In many areas of art and entertainment, old productions are still extremely popular, and in some areas, they are far more popular than the current material, and few people see anything weird about it. In classical music and opera, the familiar music of the 18th and 19th centuries is far more popular than contemporary works, and nostalgic appeal is seldom cited as the reason. Creativity has been with humanity for a long time, and I doubt it has suddenly increased or decreased in recent years. Tastes and styles certainly can change rapidly with time, and we certainly see this with anime. Probably the only old series that I have watched largely for its nostalgic appeal is the original Gatchaman. I watched this series in the late 1970s when I was a child, and it is interesting to see it again now. Since it is not the sort of series I would ordinarily watch these days, I doubt I would have run into it if I hadn't remembered it from so many years ago. Nostalgia alone cannot carry a series for me, and this one does have many other good qualities, but I find that it has a dosage limit and I only watch a few episodes every now and then. I have watched a few other old series and one-shot films, including some dating back to the beginnings of anime in the 1910s-1920s. In some cases, historical interest is the primary reason for enjoyment. This is different from nostalgia, but the two can certainly occur together. I like to see how art forms change and progress over time, so it is natural that I would want to see where anime comes from. However, some of these ancient anime films are enjoyable for other reasons. Stylistic, they are nothing like the anime of today and look like they came from a completely different artistic culture, but many of them are well-written and well-executed artistically. The technology available as early as the 1930s or 1940s was good enough for skilled people to make excellent animated films. Most of the best animated films from that time came from the United States, but Japan had some worthwhile productions. One genre of animated film that I have always loved is World War II propaganda. Japan, like other nations involved in the war, made animated propaganda. The cultural productions of the losing side in a big war have a tendency not to survive, so I wonder how many have been lost. Fortunately, two of Japan's propaganda masterpieces, the Momotarou films of 1943 and 1945, have survived. I watched the first, and while it certainly is historically interesting, it is also a lot of fun and good for a few laughs, and it is well made. I certainly don't get a sense of nostalgia from films like these, but there are many other reasons to watch them. I certainly like old anime, but I also find lots of new productions to enjoy. The styles are certainly different, but I like variety. Black and white thinking on this issue isn't necessary or even desirable, so it is unclear to me why this topic is so controversial that it has generated such a massive thread in a very short time. One time period isn't necessarily better than another, and we are free to enjoy the entire century of anime from the 1910s to the 2010s if we so choose. Incidentally, I don't even see the 1990s as old. The style seems to be a little different, but perhaps because I am old, that decade doesn't seem so long ago to me. For me to feel like something is old, it probably has to date from the mid-1980s or earlier. This post deserves an award. Seriously though I've seen some good posts here and there its pretty damn rare that you see one this well written and full of common sense. Thank you for saying what I've always wanted to say but couldn't summon the words to. I hate how other fandoms appreciate the classics and the past but in anime they disregard it as outdated. To me it shows that the fan base for anime and manga here is rather weak. |
Feb 21, 2014 3:43 PM
#292
I actually think its kinda cool that the anime commnity doesnt obsess over old anime. Just look at how shitty the situation in art and classical music is. You practically have to die first for your music to become famous, cause only the old stuff is held in high regards. Its a bit better with videogames and movies but even then there are quite a few nay-sayers to everything new. That doesnt mean that its ok to disregard old anime just on the basis of it being old and look down on it, but I am happy that newer anime are given a chance and even treated a bit favorably. After all old anime dont make them producers money anymore. |
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